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Car: Dallara Indyar
Track: Infineon Raceway (IRL)
Practice: 18:00 for 135 mins (approx)
Qualifying: 20:15 (15 mins)
Race: 20:30 - 29 laps (approx 40 mins)

Start: Double file rolling start.
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Apologies this is a bit late, I thought I'd already posted it  ::)

I've just had a testing session and 1:22's are a good lap for me at the moment so I suspect the fast guys will be well under 1:20.

Mid 1.20's for me with half a tank, Heres my set up if you would like to try....http://www.filefront.com/15746609/DM_Dallara_Infinion.sto

1st ever attempt at driving the Indy Car.

Did around half a dozen laps or so   got a 1:34.868 (Full tanks, default setup).  Next going to try DM's setup with half tanks to see if I can break under the 1:30 mark.

Oh wow  oh wow  DM  that setup is tricky,  whenever I turned my wheel left or right more than about 20 degrees the back came around, so with it I had to drive with very minimum turning.  I did manage a clean lap of 2 seconds better than my PB  1:32.329, although I might see if I can change it so it's easier to drive.  I also notice to am going through the gears much quicker with your setup up against the IR default setup.

Hi Welling,   Just make sure everything is up to temperature .. Could be the fact that your steering settings are different to mine. ;)

Bingo.  I just tried "High-Downforce-Racecourse" setup and bang a 1:29.612 straight away.  My style of driving must need lots of downforce :)

More testing, and getting closer to respectable laptimes :)

Dan Minton       1:20
Iain Mabbott     1:22
Ben Summers    1:25.734

I'd add that I'm mid to high 1:22's if that makes you feel any better ;)

I got completely 'stuck' last night, I could run very consistently in the 1:22's but trying to go quicker just ended in disaster, I can usually see where I'm slow (even if I can't manage to actually go any quicker) but I was really struggling here.

Having tried racing both the skippy & radical here, I can't understand how the Indy car could possibly be driven. Think this is probably going to be another one that's simply/sadly above my level. Shame, because I really quite enjoyed the Watkins race.

Is this the same track as last weeks Mazda? Hmm..  Gonna be a difficult one this. Watkins is quite a fast track so kinda suited the car but i think this is probably more like brands.

Forgot about this yesterday when i has some time to practise.

Been practicing a load since last time... unfortunately, I confused the tracks and am now ok at VIR !?  :'(

This is very difficult! 1.25.4  pb for me with full fuel etc.

Just off to try Dans set up!

M.

Helps if I do IRl and not IRL2007!  :-[

1.23.8 now!

Lots more practice needed!  :D

Still struggling to get anywhere near my 1:25 lap time, but hopefully I will get there  :D

Dan Minton       1:20
Iain Mabbott     1:22
Blunder            1.23.8
Ben Summers    1:25.734

how you testing this offline mode, or a hosted private session?

Just offline, although I am making a list of laptimes like they do for Pre-Season Testing at Autosport.com  :)

I am the Virgin Racing of the group  :P

What on earth is the right line through the last corner? The small curb on the 'apex' is so easy to miss and its quite a sharp corner, I cant even get the car turned sharp enough to keep it in the yellow lines. Are people taking a wide line and effectively using the pit lane wall as the boundary? Seems to be the easiest but with so much tarmac around its hard to work out where i should be!

Yes, it's another difficult one. I quite often go over that curb on the inside if I take it to tight. I've never had a black flag yet, I really should experiment in a practice session to see how far the game lets you get away with.

OT a little. Did anybody watch the World Cup race tonight? I watched the first half dozen laps. I've heard people taking about the Dallara doing wheelies over bumps, but that's the first time I've witnessed it myself. Still some development of physics required there, unless it's only a lag induced graphical error. The live commentators weren't too bad, but they still missed a position change and only noticed about half a lap later!! That happens so much in real life, it infruriates me, but I suppose it's easy to criticise having not tried doing it myself. I'm sure it's hard to watch the action intently and think of silly inane things to say at the same time!!

I think it is a lag thing. Someone on the forum said that you just need to delay the replay a touch
and it is much better, and to me it improved a lot after the first few laps of the broadcast.

You can't 'cut' the last corner too much, they tightened the detection up there significantly a while back.

The best line seems to be fairly tight. I seemed to find there wasn't as much grip if I went too wide so wasn't able to get the power down as quickly.

Morning guys  :D   I have chipped another third of a second off my PB in testing.. getting there..

Dan Minton       1:20
Iain Mabbott     1:22
Blunder            1.23.8
Ben Summers    1:25.473

1:24.2 on race fuel after a few laps. Not at all comfortable yet.

Managed a few mid 21s on half-full tanks the other night but mostly low 22s.  

I really struggle with the downforce cars in iR.  The grip seems to be like a switch, on or off.  I like to be able to feel the car moving around but the Dallara doesn't really give me that sensation.

If I can't get comfortable by Monday evening, I may give this one a miss as I don't want to be an obstacle to anyone.

I'm sure to crash here on this terrible track. :( Might start from the pits. Or go see a movie.

Bah humbug TT!  ;D Your better than that!  ;)

1.23 dead now for me! ( half fuel, modified Dan M set up )

Easy really! :lol:

Can we just cancel the race and 'simulate' it using the times above? I'll take 2nd ;)

Latest pre-race laptimes

Dan Minton       1:20
Brendan Wright  1:21.5
Iain Mabbott     1:22
Blunder            1.23.0
Dave Gymer      1:24.2 (full Tank)
Ben Summers    1:25.473 (22.0 Gal)

I would have thought it would be more useful to see a table of consecutive laps without a spin.

Anyone got some setups?

My best is 5 . :P

Beat that..

I think once you geta balanced set up the nac with this track is to really concentrate on hitting all the apexes spot on...Same can be said for most tracks but this is a one line race track apart from the hairpin.

I'm going to miss this one. I'm back at work for the final few weeks before it's over.

Without even trying the combo I'm guessing it's a handful to get the Indy car around here?

I didn't think I'd be available for this, but it turns out I will. I'll see how practice tomorrow goes before committing.

Christ, this is like running F1 on a karting track  :o

There won't be many finishers, are they really crazy enough to race these things here in real life?

I have just got into 1:21's on a full tank.  But so far not for more than 5 laps without a spin or crash  I'm probably trying too hard in some places, but it's not quite balanced yet.  Very tough.

One word: Monaco. :P :laugh:

Unlike some of the other tracks, a lot of Infineon has the barriers pretty close so if you do go off, most of the time that will mean a reset.

They certainly do race here in real-life;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcvrgxkMhHM

...and look what happens at T2 :D

iRacing is SO realistic ;)

I've yet to run a lap round here - real life has been getting in the way of racing for a while now.  I'll be running on the praccy server this evening, but I must say as it stands I'm closer to skipping the race than making it.

I should be able to join praccy tonight :)

I'll start the server 18:30 ish

Yep, Pops, lets sim it and I'll take 3rd!  ;D
Starting from the pits?, may have us all in there!  ;)

Yup, I've done what Justin Wilson did at the last turn about 5 times now  :D  This isn't a track that you can attack.

lol, I think we could actually come out of our race with less incidents!

Managed to sneak home at lunchtime for a rapid 10 laps or so. Best I managed was 22.2, but at least after the first 3 or 4 exploratory laps I was able to stay in the 22's consistantly.

Quickly did 3 more using slightly different setup and got a 22 dead. Setup didn't feel much different really, just you try a bit harder when you make a change, don't you find?!!

Love the Indycar but my chances of surviving, let alone overtaking anything safely are slim and none. Gonna join the GTL Turbo boys @ Silverstone - enjoy, see you at the next one ;).

That's why I start races in the pit lane at this circuit because those first two turns are asking for it.

Latest testing laptimes

Dan Minton       1:20
Brendan Wright  1:21.5
Mike Wrightson  1:21.9 (full tank)
Ken Murray       1:22.0
Iain Mabbott     1:22
Blunder            1.23.0
Dave Gymer      1:24.2 (full tank)
Ben Summers    1:25.473 (full tank)

I remember that race very well, turn 1 incident, the Peneske car going off :)

Best bit I liked was Justin Wilson correcting the spin at the hairpin of the last corner :)

Setups - I'm experimenting with Barber setups atm. I rarely have time to make my own setups, and the Dallara especially is a minefield. Anyway the Barber setups are pretty much full downforce as it is, nothing left in the rear wing. Is there anything else you can do to get more grip, even at the expense of straightline speed, or is it just a case of maybe taking some off the front to avoid any tendancy for the back end to step out????

just thought it would be worth updating....  ;)

scrub that, managed a 1m22.7 with quali fuel...... it seems rolling round all the slow bits works and patiently getting on the throttle, rather than attacking it

Yes, it sure is a lesson in throttle control. As hard as this combination is, it is an exhilerating experience.

Server will be up in the next few minutes. Hopefully I'll be able to join you after 8.

What an idiot, I set the last session for 30 mins ::)

Have the new one on me :)

lol I wonder where it disappeared!

Update that list!

1:21.2 with full fuel  8)

:alien:

Nice Iain, I did a 21.something with fuel, but that run was ended prematurely when my right front punctured. Undoubtedly due to all my locking, but it's hard not to do that round here, so it doesn't bode well for my race.

I didn't quite match Andy on low fuel but I got close, 1:20.1 or thereabouts.

Too tough for me. Will be back for the visit to R.America.

Latest testing laptimes 8th march 10pm

Dan Minton       1:20
Andy Purdie      1:20.099
Ken Murray       1:20.190
Iain Mabbott     1:21.271
Brendan Wright  1:21.549
Adam Parle        1:21.708
Mike Wrightson  1:21.9
Blunder            1.23.0
Mark Ekins        1:23.564
Tomaz Ostr'nik  1:23.672
Dave Gymer      1:24.2
Martin Mason    1:24.481
Robert Burton   1:24.548
Ben Summers    1:25.093
Chris Laker       1:27.727

1:20.8 PB with low-mid 21s consistently.

Is it just me, or is the Dallara ultra-sensitive to the tiniest setup change.  I was struggling with understeer and lifting through the fast chicane.  1 click of rear rebound and I can take it flat and the car is a whole lot nicer. 

That was on half-tanks, heaven knows what it will be like when brimmed.  ???

hmm, I can't even get the iRacing site to load right now  ???

Paul Richards wins the "who can break 1:20 first" contest... he's reporting a 1:18.9 :o

Latest Pre-testing laptimes
Paul Richards    1:18.9
Dan Minton       1:20
Andy Purdie      1:20.099
Ken Murray       1:20.190
Brendan Wright  1:20.8
Iain Mabbott     1:21.271
Adam Parle        1:21.708
Mike Wrightson  1:21.9
Blunder            1.23.0
Mark Ekins        1:23.564
Tomaz Ostr'nik  1:23.672
Dave Gymer      1:24.2
Martin Mason    1:24.481
Robert Burton   1:24.548
Ben Summers    1:25.093
Chris Laker       1:27.727

....he can't even be decent enough to 'just' get under the 1m20s!  :D


nice Brendan, I hope to be in the 21s at least with race fuel.... looks like it will be close!


.......in quali anyway lol

LOL!

Server will be up in a minute or two.

Just watched that vid and i noticed how different the shape of the real front tyres are compared to the iRacing ones... theyve got that a bit wrong.

What, in real life? :P

Apologies, looks like I set a 20m qualifying time instead of 15m.

I'd prefer that anyway!

What a plonker!

Couldn't really get a decent lap in qually so lined up 6th on the grid.......... on qual fuel  ::)

Anyway, start was clean and was close behind Ken who was impressively quick despite carrying much more fuel than I.  Pitted on about lap 6 and rejoined with the faint hope of clawing back a few places.  After about half distance it was starting to look like I may have enough fuel to last the distance if I could manage the tyres for that long.

Turns out I locked the RF a few too many times and got a puncture about 3 laps from the end.  I suppose the poor tyre had it's own back on me as we were quickly united with the tyre wall.  Race over.

Miffed at my own daft mistake but overall I think I learnt enough about the Dallara to entice me back for more.

Grats to all finishers.

It took until the last 10 mins of practice to find a setup that worked for me, and I lined up 4th on the grid only 0.2s away from 2nd!  :o

All I wanted was a clean start and then we would see what happened.  Start was good, and I was staying with Dan for a few laps, but he edged away a bit as I overheated my tyres and had to back off a little to cool them again.  Near the end the fuel estimate was very close to letting me go non-stop, so I short-shifted for a few laps to see how far I could stretch it.  I chickened out with 2 to go and pitted for a splash.  Very nearly jumped past Andy, but 4th place it was.

I'm happy with that, particularly here!

Anyone else have the car set up to use only 5 gears here?  Seemed to work for me.

I never used more than 5th gear, only use 1st once a lap

Surely no-one gets a long enough straight for 6th gear   Do they ?

Thank goodness that is over. I found that very difficult indeed.

Qualified fine, down in 9th I think and followed Gizmo for the first part of the race. I was miles better under brakes in the slow stuff in the second half of the lap whilst he was much quicker through the hard fiddly stuff in the first half of the lap. Then on one lap I think Ken had come out of the pits and Gizmo was a bit slower into the last corner and I jammed on my brakes to the max to avoid hitting him. Unfortunately I span whilst doing this which ended the fight (not that you can overtake here anyway, like 75% of the awful american circuits in this game).

Hadn't hit anything (there isn't anything to hit down there) so carried on. Did alright until I span coming out of the downhill left hander shute like bit. Again missed all scenery and gently rolled up the bank. Ok carried on. Took pit stop, no problems there. Mid way through second stint I accidentally went down too many gears into reverse at the hairpin causing me to spin not far in front of team mate Mike. Ok, still hadn't hit anything, fine carried on. Penultimate lap (although it turned out to be the last lap as Paul lapped me) and I span for the first time in the race at T1/2 and at last hit the scenery. A very mild touch from my rear and car seemed fine. Carried on, finished the final lap and very relieved it was all over.

Dunno where you guys were 4 seconds quicker or how you kept it on so easily, so hats off to you.

EDIT...I was using all 6 gears right to the top of the revs. 1st was awesome.

Dear me, when am I going to get my act together. Running nicely in 5th and slowly seeing Mike coming back towards me as he battled with Dan was it?? Anyway lapse of concentration at T2 and off I go with my nose in to the tyres. The better course of action may have been to force a spin and avoid contact. Anyway only Iain went through and once I got used to driving with the steering cocked and slightly less front downforce I started reeling him back in. When I caught him he made the tactical decision to take his stop. I thought right, make these laps count. Next thing I new after barely starting the next lap was the right front had punctured. Toured round slowly, hopefully I didn't get in the way too much. In to the pits, tyres and fuel, off I go, black flag for speeding!!!! I'll actual learn not to do that one of these days. Back in a lap later, stop short of my bay to uncheck fuel. Served my penalty and salvaged a couple of places in the final part of the race. I might get it right one of these days!!!!

That was seriously hard work. No practice before tonight and it showed in the actual practice session. Once Gizmo shared his setup I found it so much better and managed to put together several laps without going off or spinning.

Qual was nightmare, even when I tried to stay out of others way they seemed to be distracted and fall off.

The race was just difficult. Can't see how you guys go so fast, hats off to you all :) Glad for a small turnout, makes for some easy championship points ;)

I was catching 6th down to the far hairpin and out of the fast chicane coming back.

Pretty chuffed with 5th despite the small field. I really enjoyed that race  8)

Smashed my PB in qually and still ended up only 7th on the grid :o

I was surprised to keep up with Ken and Brandan for the first few laps whilst keeping Dave a couple of seconds back but then had a horrible couple of laps to let them slip away and get Dave back on my tail. Got back into the groove and started to pull away a bit from Dave as Brendan pitted for fuel.

Ken had pulled a lead then span in T2 and rejoined about 5s back, I managed to put in a few decent laps as he only slowly reeled me in and was catching me coming up the pitstop so I decided to jump in a lap early rather than try to keep him at bay thinking I'd need every second if I was to come out in front of him after his stop.

I managed a decent stop and was surprised to see myself in 5th a few laps later after the stops, obviously Ken had problems. Brendan started making a a bit of an impact but I was 8s clear when his puncture came so then I was clear and cruised it in :)

Thanks to Martin on the penultimate lap for an easy pass.

Grats to Paul on the all-too-easy win and Dan in 2nd. Well done Andy after a very impressive drive to get the final podium.

It seemed a very clean race, well done to Dave on 0 incidents, and to Dan, Ken and me on 1.

Tried all sorts of setup changes during practice and never really found anything that worked. Never had any traction in the slow corners and on occaision it would also swap ends in some of the fast corners. Eventually I settled on Shark's hybrid between my mungeration of the setup Dan posted here and somebody else's gears.


I tried to leave room on the right as I saw you coming, but there wasn't time to call it over TeamSpeak and I didn't want to end up stuck behind you. :laugh: :P

Start was very sensible and soon Pops and the rest of the cars ahead were vanishing into the distance. Shark was certainly looking faster but despite being on almost identical setups we had very obviously opposing strengths and weaknesses. I still had no confidence in the car and was having to being painfully conservative in the low gears and through some corners that I knew were in theory flat.

After Shark spun I adopted an even more conservative pace, stopping at the end of lap 14 (I assumed I'd be lapped and so that would be half distance). Shark stopped on the same lap and dropped back to 15 or so seconds behind courtesy of a few more offs, then started reeling me in. I didn't dare push any harder so I just stuck to my pace.

After Paul's late stop I realised I was actually going to finish on the lead lap, much to my surprise, and with Shark finishing behind Paul I had a chance to press much harder on the final lap safe in the knowledge that I couldn't slip down the order, and duly set my fastest lap of the race.

Hopefully I'll go better at Road America - or at least be able to drive with more confidence.

Duno if you guys have got the Legends Dallara skins downloaded, I thought the front of the grid looked pretty sweet last night though I might be a bit biased ;)

(http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/4027/iracingsim2010031009423.th.jpg) (http://img514.imageshack.us/i/iracingsim2010031009423.jpg/)

After the first laps of practice a couple of days ago I was pretty sure that i would not enjoy it... then on the server on Monday night I drove for almost two solid hours and it all seemed to click (as in I stopped falling off the track every lap  :laugh:)

Did a p.b. in the pre-prace practice but couldn't quite replicate it in quali but still started 2nd  :)

After the slowest pace lap in history, I spent the first couple of laps driving extra carefully until everything was up to temp. Paul and Dan were a second either side in the opening stages and I almost thought I could keep with Paul for a little while!  ::)

As Paul started pulling away I was hoping to get a gap to Dan while Michael hassled him.... it worked for a few laps but when Paul disappeared from view my pace dropped a little... I don't know about anyone else but it felt like the tyres went through a graining stage. It seemed to understeer and take an age to get the power on in the long left-hander  ??? Then it all felt good again and I had Dan glued to my gearbox until my pitstop.

Dan pipped me in the pitstops and came out just in front of me, after trying to overtake him I spun out of the hairpin and had a 5 sec gap to make up in the remaining 8-odd laps. I only just kept in front of Mike when he was alongside into T1 coming out the pit  ;)

It was hard catching Dan when he was pretty much the same pace as me, it was just who made the least mistakes and he didn't so 3rd it was  :D  :P

Grats Paul for a flawless drive.... and to Pops on 5th ....good Legends result  O0

Mine never had a grippy phase. ::) :laugh:

Yeah theyve got the real ones wrong.


Good race that. I didnt really have the pace to beat Purdie on raw pace but i just made a better pitstop and made one mistake less.
My tyres went off after about 8 laps  ??? :o and it took a few laps to get used to it.
Thought Mike was gonna pull a cheeky one and go all the way on one tank at one stage.
Cant be bothered to type anymore.... :P

Grats to Paul different class mate.   ;)

try this (http://www.filefront.com/15794431/Infineon%20race.sto)!

Had been in Brum all day and only got back in time to run quali as if it was practice.
Ran very conservative, from the back as planned.
A couple of unforced half spins but was happy to finish without too many incidents.
I do like driving this car but I must admit that is it not as much fun when it takes all your concentration just to drive round conservatively
and get next to last place!  :-\
Talent lacking! :)
Dissappointing that others seem to practice but not even bother starting for fear of ruining someone elses race  ???
Not ideal! Means that cars at my end of the field are on their own more.
I think that track is a tough one!
BTW, I did practice VIR by mistake for over a week! now that is great fun, car seems more manageable, to me anyway!
Might be worth considering for next season?

Cheers guys

M.

I put a little practice in today and came up with a couple of setups.

Just finished my first qualifying sessions and squeezed a 1.18.6. I really hope to be mid 19s race pace with my setup too.


They are over at Team Shark site if you want a shot.

Raced last night(the only race to go off so far) and won. I nearly chucked it away though.

I was 14 seconds ahead of P2 and 18 seconds ahead or 3rd place guy.

After the last few races I have been worried about how I'm getting thrashed at the pit stops and knew I better keep pushing.

I stopped at halfway. 2nd and 3rd went on through for another 2 or 3 laps. 2nd place then crashed out.

On my out lap I took my eye off the road and ran wide in the very long left hander. Having watched it time and again it cost me 6 seconds maximum. Certainly no more.

Put in a couple of good laps to make sure I would be ok but it was by the skin of my teeth.

The guy who was 3rd and 18 seconds behind had to back out when coming out the pits or he would have joined in my path. I think he thought about going too.

So maybe I lost 6 seconds for my daft off, but that is another 12 seconds wiped off me at the pit stops. I can't for the life of me see where I'm going wrong. Every race I'm getting murdered in the pits.

Managed to get race pace down to 1.20.0 last night but had another tweak or two of the setup and now it will post mid 19s all stint long. Not quite as easy to drive though as the rear wants to come around more at the two uphill right handers.

Again the set is at Team Shark.

So was his car stationary for a much shorter time than your's Brian?

I did not save or look back on the replay as it was 0230 and well past bed time.

My laps before the pit stop were good and my laps after other than the off were good.

This track has a more complex pit entry and again I made sure I was quick around the bend and up to the cones.

I'm baffled where this time has gone.

Every race at Road America I got done but noly once did I pit directly alongside another car to judge.

Without changing tyres and stopping 1sec behind my rival I lost 5 seconds that time.

I think I'm somehow losing 8-10 seconds per stop.

From now on I will save replays and review as there seems no randomness unless I'm the random one!

Perhaps they are starting with a full tank and then adding less fuel than you therefore

At Road America there is little to play with on the fuel strategy. One click down on a full tank for me and some require the full tank. So it was not on the fuel front I'm dropping time. A couple of the races I did not change tyres either and was still slow.

Last night I started with 18gallons and added 17gallons. Fuel seems to take seconds once filling but I will need to do more test stops to check what advantage not adding a further 4 gallons gives.

Nice setups Brian. I can't normally drive your setups as they tend to be quiet alien, but these I can. After only two laps on the race setup I was into the 1:20s, although I had to move the brake balance back to 53 cause your 57 just makes my front lock up all the time under brakes. The qually I did a 1:21.2 bizarely, but that was without the brake balance change.

I will give that a go tonight in a public race.

Wow, what a difference a setup makes. Still nowhere near braking into the 1:19s, but in my public race this evening I finished 5th (http://members.iracing.com/membersite/member/EventResult.do?&subsessionid=1773261&custid=16718) with zero incident points and a fastest lap of 1:20.9. I started off about the same pace I could do in SRou and as I gradually picked up the confidence to try harder I started moving the brake balance forward as well, finishing the race with it on about 55.

Very pleased with being able to get the car around the circuit now without hassle. There is one moment on that setup where you go over the crest into the braking for that fast sweeping downhill left hander where I'm sure the car is bottoming out over a bump, but other than that not too many problems.

Still think this is by far the best car in the game, but it's a shame that without a decent setup it's just too hard. Once you can keep the car on it's just brilliant to drive.

Good result.

That was my first setup I made from scratch and was feeling what I was changing was having positive results.

No doubt next week that will change.

I see my pal Benjamin Burmeister crashed out again. 22 incidents in the last 2 races, not finishing one, highlights his danger.

He is fast between his mistakes but so careless and rude.

LOL. What I don't understand is how people have so many incident points at all and still score so many points. How can you be scoring that many points when you are crashing and falling off in so many races? I have 1 incident point in 5 races now, because I believe to finish first, first you must finish (not that I've finished 1st for a VERY long time :laugh:), but the principal remains. How can you get good results if you're throwing it off or crashing, very bemusing. It's certainly not that I'm not trying hard, it's just I believe there is no point in being on the track if you're not trying to finish the race first and going fast second.

Yes, gave it a quick try tonight and it is nice and stable. I didn't quite match my time from the other night but I was being over cautious, and I'd just done a Mazda Miwaukee race, so I wasn't really in Dallara mode. What was immediately noticeable to me was how much better it was through T2 compared to what I'd previously been using. I could actually turn and drift it, and even catching the curb didn't result in an immediate spin, and I can vouch from experience my previous setup would have!!!

Because the 50% 'rule' means that they only need to finish half their races for it to pay off.

Got to remember that incident points do not mean people are crashing or falling off all the time, eg.. you can still get good points even if you get 3 or 4 incidents for touching the grass on exits of corners and if your finishing in the top 5 all the time....You dont need to have a perfect 0 SR in every race to get good results/points.

With what Dave stated about the 50% thing ..it does mean that someone can have 5 times as many incidents but get 3 good results out of 6 and get alot more points.

Ive stopped worrying about incidents now i just concentrate on creating/finding good setups which then lets you race hard without worrying about going off and making mistakes ,at then of the day it is racing so you should just race !! ;)  On the other hand it does make a big difference who you are racing against. ::)

Yeah fair enough.

I must say the standard of racing in the DP races and not quite as much but reasonably so in the IndyCar races is much more gentlemenly than the Skippy or Mazda. The rolling starts are really helping and I tend to leave a bigger gap to the car in front on the starts even though I could sit right on his tail, but there is a general understanding that you don't make silly moves on lap 1 and it's really important for everyone to make it through the first 2 or 3 turns and into single file before you start racing properly.

I've just decided at the last second to do the Radical @ Infineon (right now)... It's funny how it's such a nice track in the Radical yet undriveable for me in the Indy/Skippy.


EDIT - Gutted, not enough people to make it a proper race (I guess) so everyone just retired :( Had to settle for a Jetta race at Brands (not bad actually)