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Car: Dallara Indyar
Track: Laguna Seca
Practice: 18:00 for 135 mins (approx)
Qualifying: 20:15 (15 mins)
Race: 20:30 - 32 laps (approx 40 mins)

Start: Double file rolling start.
1 'fast tow' (reset) available for each driver (available by pressing SHIFT+R by default)

Practice: A server will be available from approx. 19:00 - 23:00 the day before the race

Password: see above (#post_event_password)
(2) Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R;group=244;theme=33)

32-34 laps I would guess Pops!?

I've done a few 1.17's but am always slow!  ;)

I was not that excited about this choice but it's actually alright!   ;)

Good call Martin, looks like 32 laps is about right.

1:12 seems to be a pretty fast time around here :o

1:16 with no setup work...

Low to mid 1.13's for me , ive done quite a few laps with alot of tweeks on the set up but its far from ideal.  Then my sets are usually a bit sketchy.   Gonna be a tricky race.

Into 1:13's, setup feels stable at least but still a bit of tweaking needed.

I'm doubtful for the next while I'm afraid.

Finally finished work on Wednesday and I have been offered a job in Aberdeen.

I will be staying in a serviced apartment for a while and not sure I will have a connection suitable for racing. All the flats have wi-fi not sure what the setup is. I'm guessing that everyone would be using the same router and stealing too much bandwith to race even if I could plug into the router?

Find a way to do the last skippy race if you can - you only need 2nd to clinch it and it would be a big anticlimax if you didn't race.

Oh thats a shame Brian, thats how I came to finish sim racing the first time round, stopping in serviced apartments in Edinburgh. I had seven years out, lets hope yours is nothing like that long.

As Pauls says it will be a shame if you miss the last Skippy race.

Gary

Guys, any chance of a half desent set up?  :-[

I was hoping to steal one off the official forums and test it Monday...

1.15.3 pb but that was a one off! Struggling in the 16's if I'm lucky ! :-[

I did 20 minutes with Russel Hodgon's setup, scoring a best of 14.2. I've put my version in the Team Shark setups (http://www.teamshark.org.uk/Pages/Setups.aspx), but I'm still not comfortable in it.

Well it doesn't feel to bad as it is Dave, 14 and a very little bit using it.

If you were on twitter I'd be following you!!

Will we ever be comfortable in the Dallara round Laguna?

I'm enjoying this more than the Skip because the Dallara tightens all the corners up. What I don't like about Laguna in the less powerful cars is that the some of corners are so long, and I find that harder to judge.

I will do what I can.

Just arrived in Aberdeen today.

I made sure I picked the flat next to the router where I can easily plug my cable in.

There is 10 flats and we have 8 of them so I guess I will need to be lucky that nobody uses the internet too much.

The connection is Internet for business LTD and it seems to be a good connetion. Only other problem is other than a glass dinner table I've nowhere to mount my PC and wheel.

6th in my first public race! 40laps was really tough!
Concentration was going by the end!  :)
32 laps should be just about ok!
I'm better off now I have learnt not to burn the tyres in 5 laps!  ;)

New setup on TS site - 1:13.6 with a fairly banzai lap on race fuel.

I'm finding this combo very tough :( Into the high 1:14's but not really often enough for my liking.

I tried your set-up Dave but it just doesn't suit at all. I'm much better with my Infineon set-up.

I've added mine at the TS site.  I start at low 14's and get down to mid/low 13's as fuel burns off.  Can't quite make my mind up on the 60/60 or 45/45 diff.

Went on to speedtest.net and the line is running at 7mb download and 0.3mb up.

The pingtest shows the line to be grade A. 39ms ping, 1ms jitter and no packet loss.

Not sure I will be racing tomorrow night as the plans are to go out again, but hopefully I will be good for the Skip next week. All I will need to hope is nobody else uses to much of the bandwidth.

If there is a practice server running tonight I will try and join in just to see if the line is up to the job.

Done a (most likely never to be repeated) 1:12.9 on very low fuel on the same setup.

Gotta say I'm completely confused by the fuel numbers here; my calculations show far less being used than the F4 predictor even after a few laps, so I'm either going to end up carrying way too much, or running out. ::)

Thanks for the setups guys, I shall give them a go tonight, but 12's, eek!!!

As I say, I doubt I'll be able to repeat. Best I could do tonight on low fuel was a 13.3 and that was taking huge risks.

Did a 32 lap run to check fuel and tyre wear. Both are light, at least on my setup, and that was despite a couple of quick spins. Average was in the 14s, so if you can manage steady 16s or better you won't be completely out of your depth.

I've ended up using Mikes version of the setup, as he says, a little more pointy. I did manage a couple of 13's in that open session. I got a couple of pointers from watching you in cockpit. There was one turn I was taking a gear to high and you also showed me the correct turn in point for the left kink over the brow. That is definitely my weak point, or should I say weakest point!!! I see Brian was well in to the 12's, good for us he's going out drinking instead!!!

Only done a few laps to see if connection was good and it seems it is.

Loaded my IRL setup and although I was making loads of mistakes mid 12s were coming in almost straight away.

We are all planning to head out tomorrow night to meet up with some other guys we used to work with, so I'm doubtful.

Most us went out last night and between the Indian and the drink, the meeting in the small conference room did not smell too nice today. Better not do that too often.

Best of luck if I'm not here.

Brian, do you use iSpeed at all? It sure would be interesting to compare some laps with yours, making mistakes and doing 12's, it really makes me feel incompetent!!!

I don't use iSpeed.

Not even sure what it is!

It's a simple data logging software similar to the old GPL Replay Analyser. You can compare saved laps and see where time is lost/gained.

It is more than that though Ken. For me the biggest thing it offers is the real time display of the delta between you current lap and your best lap. It really helps you see where you gain time and lose time as you drive, especially where a small gain is multiplied by a long straight. Looking at a trace afterwards can be useful, but when you have just driven a corner and you can see it helped (or didn't) it is extremely helpful.

Yes, certainly Paul. I have just been doing that this past few days after rearranging my monitor leads to be able to move it down by my raceframe. It is very helpful as you say to give an immediate indication if a certain line or method of taking a corner is beneficial. The speed delta is good for that even more than the time delta. It can be distracting though when you want to really concentrate on putting in a good lap after you've figured out the best way to do it. I have to turn the monitor away to avoid the temptation of a quick look!!

Sorry I forgot the practice server guys, it completely slipped my mind ::)

No worries Ian, I presumed with it being BH you were doing something else and with it being on the schedule it wasn't a problem finding a session. I bumped in to Dave and Brian out there.

Paul, so you obviously use iSpeed and no doubt you are well capable of a 1:12 lap, so how about a irlap file from you, please?

Yes, I know what you mean   :laugh:


Sorry Ken, I've not been doing the Dallara series and haven't even turned a wheel at Laguna.

Sorry, got my Paul's mixed up!!!

hopefully i can beat Paul's quali record time  :laugh:

although i remain pessimistic  ::)

Thanks for the set Dave ..very nicely balanced compared to mine. ;)

Server is up!

pssst, Dave, should we tell him that the wheels fall off after 15 laps?  :P  :laugh:

Haha  :)

Well that turned out to be a waste of hours of practice. Got an amazing front row start, only to wind up stuck behind Mike after the first few corners. Came to the final left that leads up the hill, broke at the 2 board (earlier than Mike), instant snap spin into the tyres.

Reset but with 5g more fuel on board the car was virtually undrivable - ride height too low. Quite after 2nd or 3rd spin before I took somebody else out.

That's 3rd in the championship gone, along with any incentive to attempt the egg-shaped final round. :(

Why am I bothering... seriously?

I got ahead of Dave at the start as Paul made a break for it, only to see Dave spin off behind me.  Started to pull away from Dan and was gaining on Paul!  I was all over him and he was holding me up, so I decided to pit and try to leapfrog him with some fast laps.

Here's where it all went wrong.  I selected the wrong fuel load for the stop.  Started to push hard... and spun at the corkscrew.  Dan came out ahead of me and spun off a few laps later.  Then with 2 to go I realise I don't have enough fuel, into the pits and my whole race is undone.

I'm not bothering with the oval round.

Come on boys! Chins up! There are only a limited number of us and who knows if we will get to run the Indy in SROu again!

Great fun race for me!
Unfortunately 2 unforced half spins saw me drop a couple of places! the last one to Pops a lap before the end!
I'm such a muppet!
Great to do this after a week of potential public races.
I arrive more prepared!

Gizmos set up was brilliant but tried Mikes tonight and drop another half a second or so ! Perfect!

The more I race the Indy, the more I love it!
Once you get used to it, it's a pussy cat!  ;D

Joining the server 20 minutes before Qually with ZERO practise and NO setup wasn't the perfect preparation for a race...  However, somehow I managed to pull out a 1:13.3 lap in qually and started the race in 5th...

I was soon back in 7th before T1 as both Shark and Ken took advantage of a nervous start...  I followed both for half the race before I hit Ken...  Coming out of T2 I was on full power right behind him...  Then all of a sudden Ken decided to stop..  Sorry for the contact Ken.  I wasn't expected you to stop there, especially on the racing line...  :o

The contact knocked the steering out a tad but the car was still driveable....

No practise meant my pitstop strategy was nonexistent....  I pitted on lap 20 and somehow ended the race with 12g onboard...  ::)

The last 10 or so laps were non-eventful...  Simon was 17 seconds up the road and the next car behind me was over 30 seconds behind...

Managed to finish in 4th...  I'll take that  ;D

Congrats to the podium...    

That'll teach you to type before you see the facts. You are still third because there were so few people that you still scored 24 points to keep yourself ahead of me.

I had a consistent race starting with a new PB in qualifying and a new race PB too. Unfortunately I didn't race anyone until near the end when Dan's lap times dropped off. I never had a hope of going by though and felt like I was being toyed with tbh as he could extend a second out from me seemingly whenever he wanted to. I guessed his car was damaged, but it wasn't damaged enough. ;)

As for the final round, no thanks. I'm sure i could do well there, but I can't be arsed to sit through the inevitable chug chug behind the safety car for most of the race. See you next season hopefully, depending on car choice.

Oh FHS I'm still 3rd in the championship. ::) Don't think I can possibly beat Shark on an oval though.


I'm fine with never touching the blasted thing again. Like the Lotus, it takes hours of setup work, and is still ready to bite you at the earliest opportunity. And even with a good setup, it's barely possible to actually race anyone, instead of just sitting behind and hoping for them to go off.


Stark raving mad. I can think of no other explanation. :P :P :P

Well another tale of woe here. Running nicely in 5th behind Simon and ahead of Darren. On the very lap I intend coming in to pit the bloody tyre blows at T1. T1, I mean, why couldn't it be near the end of the bloody lap. I attempted to tour back but the sodden thing just would not turn right for toffee so I took a tow. So while I read this weeks FT waiting for the timer to count down everybody buzzes past and I'm dead last, again!! As Dave mentioned you are then spat out with full tanks (has anybody found a way round this yet?) and eventhough I felt like I was getting a move on in the second half of the race the laptimes tell a different story and there was no way I was going to catch Iain and Martin. I need to change my driving style. It was obviously all due to my trail braking in T1 and at the hairpin. If you don't trail brake in T1 you seem to spend a very long time in the corner, but you guys are doing 12's so it must work. Like I said earlier I'd like to see a 1:12 irlap and see where I'm going wrong.

Eight Finishers!!! :o

Sorry Darren, but there wasn't much I could do. The tyre obviously blew under braking and then the car just wouldn't turn in the corner so I ran very wide anyway. I thought staying well to the right was the only thing I could do with you being so close. If I had swerved over to the left it would possibly have been an even bigger collision. Anyway I doubt whether I could have swerved anywhere with the flat front, I was a sitting duck.

Yes, very dissapointing. And it looks like the final round will be lucky to have 8 starters the way people are talking!! Come on guys, show us your metal!!!  ;D

Must be something strange with your driving style Ken as the IndyCar has very little wear for me. Turning the wheel too much and locking the wheels is usually the problem. I could have probably done that whole race twice over without changing tyres. The DP on the other hand I shred the left front and have to drive very carefully every race to avoid a puncture.


Another case of typing too soon Gizmo! I'm not intending to do the oval race as I have better things to do than sit behind a safety car for an hour.

I actually like the IndyCar, now that I'm getting on top of it, but it's so setup sensitive, and it bites if you try to edge beyond the limit.  I'd run it again next season TBH, but the DP is more forgiving.

That's both Laguna races that I've thrown away a top result by my own stupidity.  I'm so hacked off because I had genuine pace in both of them.  Raced my heart out for cod all.

 >:(

At least Martin and I enjoyed the race...

Knocked nearly 1s off my PB in qually but ran wide up the hill on lap 1 to let everyone past ::)

Picked up the places again only to let Martin past coming to the stop. Managed to close down again after the stop only get a (deserved) black flag through corkscrew when I messed up my braking. Idiot.

I was gradually hauling Martin back in again when he lost it in the last turn and I was quite fortunate to avoid him. Kept it steady after that for yet another 6th place finish.

Pity we won't have much of a turnout for the last race but at least we might get through it without too many yellows  :P

Yes, I'm locking the inside wheel by hanging on the brake pedal on corner entry. GPL hangover I think!!   :)

Talking about GPL, I still have it on my HD and run it occasionally. Some guy has been posting some texture updates recently so I took the Lotus round Goodwood to check them out. Within 7 or 8 laps I'd posted a PB. So this iRacing lark does seem to have had some benefits, just they don't seem to be very apparent in iRacing!!!!   ::)

Wasnt toying with you at all Simon , I had major damage to the front left which was ok through left handers but terrible through right handers...If you had made a move i would have just let you straight trough.

How close was qually !!   Awesome stuff . ;)

Good race even though i dont like the track.   Start was fun with Simon along side through the first corner.  Was ready to settle in for the first few laps in 4th and then the unthinkable happened ..A Gymer making an unforced error  :o  I had a sneaky feeling they werent machines  :P  Dave lost it at the fast left before the corkscrew which gave me 3rd.    paul was setting a fast pace with Michael in tow and the latter started to pull him in.   I started to close a bit on Michael when he was close to Paul as i think Paul lost a bit of concentration (maybe looking in the mirrors to much ??). Michael pitted on lap 15 i think and i stayed close to  Paul ( 2 secs) but made some errors so decided to pit at the end of lap 18.   Made a good stop and managed to get out in front of Michael, Started too pull a gap ever so slightly over Michael untill i lost it at T3 and hit the wall which totally bent my front left suspension.
Thought it was game over but after a couple of laps i got used to the cars behaviour,  Simon caught me and i was ready just to let him passed if he had made a move, The only way i stayed ahead was the fact that i could still attack the left handers.

grats to Paul .

Only done one oval race i think so have no experience what so ever...Damage limitation i think.

Yeah, I can see me just throwing maximum downforce on and touring round at the back. ::)

luckily for me no one can take my second place in the championship so ill just go with default and zip tie my throttle to the floor and see what happens  ;D


Gotta say i was lucky tonight didnt deserve second.

Interesting to hear the tyre streading stories!
I had the same issues in practice, was killing them, I did modify my driving style and it worked out ok in the race!
Front left was still 50% after half race distance! Luckily that was all factored into my strategy!  ;)

You guys... ovals are brilliant! mind you I still think the Silverado gives the best experience!
It's a mind set thing, you either get it .. or you don't !  ;) but you need to try a few races until you get it all figured out!
Most of you guys hate it cos you are used to winning!  ;D
Oval races are not always won by the faster guys! they are won by the smartest!  : ;D ;D ;D

Obviously why I am so good at them! :lol:

I will do the oval race if you get rid of full course yellows. It's just unbelievably boring sitting behind the pace car every few laps which is why I'm not currently bothering with Oval Racing in the official series cause I did the Late Model tour, but once you get up to the trucks or above it's full course yellows and the height of utter boredom (as if going around an oval wasn't dull enough already ;)).

If I promise not to turn up that'll reduce the number of yellows by at least half  :-[ :'(



Edit: Typo

Point proved... you guys just don't get it!  ;)

Pretty tough race last night although by the results it appears more comfortable.

Was hoping with the Easter hols and not being able to make the DWC race Sat night I would be well prepared for this. However due family things this wasn't the case and it was 30 mins total beforehand rehashing my setup from Infinion. With it being hard to pass I spent 20 mins on the qual and then rehashed that again to get a race setup (well add fuel and set ride heights basically!)

Qual went ok felt sure I could it into the low 12s as I had done a mid 12 with 9 gals in practice. That wasn't to be though, but fortunately I got pole with the quickest of the 1.12.7s but it sure was close between myself, Dave, Mike and Dan!

For race I had not done any long run or fuel tests but what practice I had done in terms of setup was done on full fuel. My main focus of course was Dan for the championship so decided because not knowing what the car\tyres would be like after 10+ laps and Dan back in 4th that I would start on max fuel. Would definitately not be the fastest way to go but passing me would be tricky and I could control my pace to look after the tyres and push later on towards the pit stop window.

So that was the plan, starting with max fuel I could at least go as far as those behind me. I could take it easy and look after the tyres (and get a feel for the car with some laps on it) until they started to pit behind me (mainly focused on Dan) I could then push on as my fuel burned montoring the gap so that along with a short pit stop as I wouldn't need too much fuel I should still come out in front. At that point we would have the same fuel loads to the finish but I would be on fresher tyres, be used to the car and could push at max to the end.

Got a good start, Dave got a great one and was challenging behind me. I judged T1 well though and broke late but in the right place fortunately and I was clear. Mike went alongside Dave and that enabled me to pull out a bit of a gap. Dan was still in 4th until Dave lost it. The same happened to me Dave at Road America, while following Dan I broke early but slightly too hard and she came straight around. So put the plan into action and drove at 9\10ths making sure I was careful to look after the rears. I was of course also heavy and Mike was soon closing in with the good pace he had. My main focus was still on Dan though but having Mike between us was advantagous. Mike then pitted so I pushed on a bit to try and cover that. Dan was still hanging around about 2 secs back until he pitted. I then went for it to cover that off but after 3 laps I wasn't that happy with my pace with the slightly worn tyres so although the gap was ok after their pit stops I decided to pit. As expected I didnt need much fuel and with a solid entry and exit and short pit I was pretyy confident I would still have the lead. I did and now I could push on with fresh tyres and was into the mid 13s. I also had a gap back to Mike of 9 secs both himself and Dan must have had an issue somewhere. But with only 10 laps left and now having better pace it was in the bag then. Mike then had further problems and Dan finished behind me 31 secs back in the end with his damage. Was pleased to complete my first IndyCar race without any incidents in ages!

Congrats to all the finishers and to Dave and Mike for their great pace, sorry that your races didnt go too well. Dan finishing second keeps the championship alive for the final round but Darrens strong drive looks to have sealed the team champs for the Legends baring a final round disater.

See you all in two weeks for the roundy roundy. 

Full course yellows will be in effect for the race at Charlotte.

Have to say I just don't see the point of full course yellows. By the time the safety car has come out and everyone has slowed down the incident has gone because when you wreck at an oval you really wreck so there is nothing to avoid by the time you get there. Better off just having yellows and avoiding the pain of travelling behind the safety car.

Thats a worry.

Steven Hawking is awsome in the Silverado.

They don't, do they Martin?! OK full course yellows aren't actually necessary most of the time but the pace laps hike up the tension levels each time they come out. The Dallara's at Charlotte are flat to the floor throttle once the tyres warm up but each yellow brings the tyre temps down and everyone has to go through that edgy few laps again. The number of yellows we had in the test race was maybe a little excessive but two or three per race adds a bit of interest. I don't do that many ovals but I do enjoy them. I was leading a truck race at Milwaukee by a good distance the other week, but when I passed on the opportunity to change tyres for a second time when a yellow came out at about two thirds distance I got well and truly hung out to dry in the last few laps and dropped to 4th. I'll know the next time!!

At my age the last thing I need is more tension! :wheelchair:

LMAO :lol:

LOL  :laugh:

Although I decided not to run anymore Indy races this season, I must admit I'm intrigued by the prospect of the oval race.

I might just give it a go, if only out of sheer morbid curiosity.

Can anyone point me in the direction of a setup?

Probably isn't one available at the mo unless you find one on line?

I'm sure our Sharky friends will share soon!  ;)

Since the new build then most set up's cannot be reused!

Try the Team Shark web page for previous race set up's which might give you a better starting point!

We did a test race at Charlotte after the last build. Those set-up's will work.

Did we!? oops! my memory is appauling!  :-[

As is your spelling (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/appalling). ;)

Thx Iain  ::) ;)

I tried to resist, I really did!  :whistling:

 :-[ :-[ :-[