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Practice 1:	20:00 BST	(10 mins)
Qual 2:	20:10	(20 mins)
Race:	20:30	(80 mins)	note: no warmup!

Cars allowed: Any GT1 or GT2 from the v2.12.4.0 pack (download from here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3356.msg54519#post_physics)).
Weather: dry.
Track: UKGTR Potrero de los Funes v1.0.0.0 (download from here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3356.msg54900#post_potrero)).
Race Start Time: 14:00.
Pit Stops: You must make a minimum of one pit stop during which you must take on at least 1 litre of fuel and/or change at least two tyres. You cannot take a mandatory stop at the end of the pace lap, or with less than 1 lap to go.

Server: UKGTR U12UE
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Notes:
(1) Please make sure you are fully aware of the UKGTR Rules (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3349.0) - especially the speed limiter starting procedure and the rules about in-game chat messages.
(2) Standings and schedule can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R;group=241;theme=3)
(3) You will not be able to join the server without the car physics pack and track (see links above).
(4) Drivers may only change car once in the season without penalty.
(5) Drivers are reminded that they must select ISDN as their bandwidth, otherwise the stability of everyone's connection will be reduced.
(6) Please use the Driver Details (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=profile;sa=driver_info) page to ensure that the league management software has your correct GTR2 'Driving Name' (not necessarily the same as your lobby name).
(7) The server will be set to 26 slots, not 28.

Looks like SBG is gonna be lonely at the front in the Bi ??? Interesting session last night, managing mid 14's though seeing the GTC's doing 14-15's is a bit disheartening.

Don't know if i will make this one yet but i have done a few laps and it is a absolutely cracking track. I think following another closely will be pretty thrilling here.

huh? what were GTC's doing on track...its a GT1&2 event  :P Not done a lap here yet gonna jump on for some virgin laps in a minute  :)

i do not know it too, if i do make this race, new track for me and make practise and learn a new track i am not sure if i have motivation. i did 3or 4 laps and i have no idea what corner comes next, long track this is and fast.
if i do drive, i will be for sure totaly to slow, if i do watch johnm laprecords.

servus

fantastic track, forgot we did a P&G event there a short while ago...saves me re-learning it ! Some spectacular corners in a modern fast GT car !  8)

Fast becoming my fave track this, real good mix of fast sweeping corners, fiddly bits and a bit for everyone :) Bit of a doubt I'll make morrow but hope to squeak in.

Am I the only one that doesn't see the server? ???

I wondered why TT jumped me in pits, with that legendary Leg-end pit crew, I presume he fuel for whatever time we had? I was working on race being 80 mins and was rather nonplussed by the goings on. Sorry if I should have twigged but all looked for from where I sat.

 We should do that event again? Somewhere else for me?

 

what a disaster evening that was.  :(

Qualied well enough in 5th but then there was a 'jensen button' style race start with someone bunching us up then speeding off leaving me about 5 secs adrift before turn 3  >:( that annoyed me so much i lost concentration and whacked a wall on about turn 5 and had damage from then on. My pace just dropped right off from 2:13's in qual to 2:15+ in race and bad oversteer/hot rear tyres  :'( Spanner jumped me quickly and disapeared off, probably as i had 50mins fuel on as well.

Then on about lap 17 i noticed that there were only 22 laps !  :o ??? what the heck? so as i tried to hurriedly lower the fuel in Pxd only for my engine to cut out on track and i nearly got smashed up the derrier by the lapping GT1 cars( sorry about that) must have a key mapping conflict. :-\ Lost loads of time and places before i figured out what was going on. :-[

Then pitted on lap 18 for tyres only and repairs. Race over, was now bottom of the field with 3 laps to go ::) until Legz kindly smashed into a wall and i regained one place. :laugh:

Bad race, disorganised, low turnout and not fun at all, really didnt enjoy that sadly. :'( whats going on?

I started to enjoy the track after many laps practise. :)

Really did not get on with it at first but, tried a Le Mans style setup and all seemed much better.

Shame the race ended early. Simulate race being stopped early by volcanic ash cloud maybe? :D

I messed up the start and lost a place to Jeff straight away. Amazing pace at the front of both classes again. Good to see (hear) TT on TS. :)

Well done podiums.

Apologies from me for selecting the wrong track  :-[ Can't really use the excuse I only got back at 19:45 from a weekend away as the wrong track was selected for practice all week.

Replay and provisional results posted

LapChart (http://www.granum.plus.com/20100418%20U12UE/index.html)

At least one person did not take a pitstop, for that reason alone I don't thing these results should stand and the event re-run at the end of the season instead of a fun event (or run again in 2 weeks with the schedule pushed back accordingly)

Again sorry for my incompetence  :'(

I like this track, but I just can't find any pace on it in any car of any class (or sim ::))

Was doing 'all right', but then on the last lap... exiting T3 I put my rear end in the bit of the wall that sticks out & got a rear puncture etc. tried to keep going as I had about 10 secs over Pete & 30 over MJ (who I'd passed in the pits lol)... Pete got past me straight away, but was doing alright keeping enough speed to finish before MJ got me, but sadly span putting it in the wall at the 3rd last turn & MJ sailed past. Boooo!

Any ideas what's happening on attendance? That's the 2nd race in a row with only 15 drivers :(

Great track and some very good racing with H@L and Gsi Bob at the start.  :)

We were running within a few seconds of each other for the first 10 or so laps. I decided to pit first after seeing Berger and Ruskus closing up after their early stops, on the basis that I would lose time while they went past. I took only one set of tyres at the pitstop and no fuel (started with 100l). However, it took me way too long to cancel the original pit stop settings on screen. H@L and Gsi Bob took their stops late in the race and when H@L rejoined he was 14 secs in front with 2 laps left.  :(

The low turnout is getting a bit worrying in the GT1's although the racing is still good. I'm not sure why numbers have dropped so much this season - coming on the back of a very successful season 11. I do miss the changeable weather but apart from that the format is still good and most of drivers are still around - just racing in other series at the moment.  :(

Congrats to the podums.

There are some advantages to being on TS. ;) Only changed tyres from meds to softs. :)
Had a good chase with the yellow porkers, first with API, then with Jose. Couldn't really squeeze anything more out of F430 and I don't think any amount of practice would help. I must have made 50+ laps here, so this is as fast as I can go in this car. Even so, we can do this event again, yes. I like this track. Shame on the low numbers again. :(

Q.1...R.1

not my favourite track, and i did my first laps with soft tyres and low fuel in quali.
the race was not good, after i saw that race end after 22laps i was not sure if i must do a pitstop?? then any did say "yes" and i was not sure what to do.
in 1st lap i was in front of ruskus in his marcos, i was more then 1 sec. in front, but in long straigths he nearly did overtake me, this car is a rocket in straights, looks like 50hp more,
but in corners it looks totaly different, ruskus had no chance against aston and so i did drive away, but i did many ugly laps, i was to much thinking and i did change in xd my strategy 2xtimes.
ruskus did early pit and i did my pit in lap 12 (all tyres was under 10% out, normaly 22laps was not problem without change), but i did change all 4 tyres, because i saw that ruskus was 1min behind and this gap must be enough, fuel i did no need for 22laps, i did start with 100l (to much).
i was in 4th postion after stop, ruskus was perhaps 12 sec. behind and the 3 cars in front did no stop in this time, i do close gap quick and then i was behind H@lo which was the leader, but i was not sure if he know that race end early and do make pitstop, so i did try to overtake, after any time this i did, but then suddently did stand or drive extrem slow a GT2 class car (think porsche) in the raceline and i must brake hard and H@lo did spin, because of hard brake.
then i did drive race home.
hope i must drive this track not again.

servus

My stop was planned for 55 mins, and we didn't get there, the main page said 80 mins, I didn't look at the race time
in game.

Don't worry yourself Pete :)


Just a general apathy I believe. More imprortantly, how are you gonna turn it around? :) Some new tracks/cars would liven it up but  some new ideas would be more exciting for me. The PnG turnout surely proves that there is life in GTR yet?

IMHO league racing is not about what tracks you are running it's about what type of racing you're having so adding loads of new buggy tracks to the mix won't help. I was going to join the race last week as I was free and at a loose end, but when I saw the street circuit track choice I thought no thanks, streets circuits suck and you'll never change my mind on that. The fewer street circuits we do the better, they are rubbish for racing.

Adding the third party addon cars to GTR2 has imho made the game worse. They don't fit properly, don't work properly and don't mix properly with the other cars.  Adding a new series of cars completely might gain more interest again though, e.g. prototypes or a series for 90s GT1 cars, but then it's not really GTR2, it's Prototype Challenge or whatever you want to call it. Which is fine, but just making the point you may have to think about whole new types of car series to replace the existing series of cars.

For me after 11+ seasons of racing GT cars in GTR/2 my interest has waned for the time being. That and I simply don't have the time or will power to do more than one racing game at once anymore. However UKGPL is a testament to the longevity of something good so I don't think it's dead at all.

I would also point out that sometimes there are the odd race or two in a row where the attendance drops and then magically you'll get 25 the next week, so I only think you can read something into attendance after a whole season.

PnG doesn't prove anything about GTR2 because they are totally different games so I think you're barking up the wrong tree trying to conclude that because the historic racing using the GTR2 game is doing well it means GTR2 should do too. Fact is PnG is new-ish and GTR2 is now getting long in the tooth. I suspect that's cause it's cars people want to drive, which is why I suggest you may want to look at a whole new series of cars like prototypes.

I also don't think cooking up some tokens scheme or whatever is going to do anything for attendances, you need to keep championships simple not complex as these schemes designed to liven up the points system just put people off.

Sorry, I disagree. For me, adding 2006 mod felt what was missing from the game. New cars are different, some more, some less and some are not really perfect. But I like them. And, like Jure said, F430 feels like a racing car should feel - imho. :)  Ford GT was great and C6R also, and DBR9, and ... and driving Marcos is a completely new experience. :D  I feel if I we didn't add 2006 mod, I'd lose interest. :-\  Also, I'm quite satisfied with balancing the new and old set of cars.

As for PnG: I just wan't to drive 906 and IROC was logical prolongation. :clown: Not sure for other things, I'll just pop up to the interesting car / track combos. :) 

I have seen lots of GTR2 leagues start having poor turn outs and TBH i think it is just to be expected with the age of the game. I think a lot have moved on to Iracing or are just waiting for the next big thing before they revive their involvement in weekly leagues. For me personally i can always make at least one event here every two weeks, at the moment i am doing a league elsewhere every other saturday and it takes a lot of time to prepare and be competitive in it. Also after taking all of sat night out from my family i don't like to do the same on Sunday too  :(

I have to say i think the cars we have added are pretty even and definitely don't detract from the game from my point of view. Track selection is also not a problem for me, i like doing some new tracks now and then and the ones we have raced are pretty good! Low turn out could just be down to the weather improving too as summer approaches.

i agree with TT and strongly disagree with shark  :yes: The newer cars and tracks added a whole new dimension to a sim that is now quite long in the tooth. It was getting very boring with the same cars and same old tracks week after week and i'm a die-hard racing fanatic !!. This new fleet of cars livened it all up and updated the era of racing that we could use. As TT mentions, there are some great cars in the new pack. They arent as polished as the professional sim makers cars but they are damn fine efforts for enthusiastic amateurs who made them. If anything we are holding back interest levels by not using car updates as there are some in circulation for quite a while now that we havent tried.  Pilsbierbude seem to still have great attendances and thats because they run such a great variety of cars and tracks.

I hope the last two low turnouts are just a blip. I believe Edmonton was low as it sucks but thought more would be up for Potrero  :-\

Perhaps some recruiting on No-grip etc might help as well as investigating some tested add-on cars, Audi R8 etc?

 :laugh:

Trolling?

Is this result going to stand?

Sorry, not been paying attention, but despite the short length it got to over half distance, and with the teeny turnout I can't honestly see anyone being up for a rerun!

Agreed, I don't think a rerun is necessary. However, I don't think the result should stand as part of the championship. Pretty sure Pete said that some took a pitstop and others didn't and I'm sure that some (including me) fueled/pitted for the 80 mins unaware what was going on.

yeah i dont think it should stand either. I had full race fuel strategy (55mins and 30) and it was only trying to rapidly last minute adjust my fuel level down on track that caused my engine to cut out and lost about 5 track positions. :(
Plus the start was a balls up.

Just a thought but could the two concurrent enduro series be causing too few spread over both championships? Might be worth dropping the GTC/G3 enduro (or adding them to the GT1/GT2 series) Might mean people not wanting to lose their racing full stop, make the effort to join the 1 series.  :-\

Something Legzy might want to consider for the future - whether to go back to what we did in Season 11 and run a single series each Season, alternating between different sets of classes (or run Season 13A and then Season 13B sequentially instead of interleaved with each other).

Poll added as to whether the result should stand. Please vote if you took part, and please do not vote if you didn't (unless it's for the 'I didn't take part' option ;)). If the result stands, we will have to add some sort of time penalty for the drivers who hadn't made their stop.

Drat, forgot all about this poll.

Soooo... the question is how do we identify who didn't stop and work out what sort of time 'penalty' to give them? Does somebody want to volunteer to figure out a list of who did and didn't stop, and how much time those who did stop lost on average?

I'll do it Dave. Please PM me to let me know what I should do when I have done the maths.

Thanks to Prof's maths we've gone ahead and adjusted the result based on other GT2 stop times.

Thanks team, I'll go and do 500 lines to repent my error  :-[

Of cocaine? :laugh: :angel:

Your nose would fall off. :-\

Is somebody going to publish what changes have been made to the results please?

Already done. Check out the moderator's report at the top of the page.

Excellent cheers. You'd think I'd have been here long enough to check there! ::) ;D ;D