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Season 19 Amateurs Trophy - Round 2 - Keimola

A new track for UKGPL with some twisty sections and a decent long straight.  The track was used in the 1960s for Formula 2 races but it never hosted a Formula 1 race.  It is a nice track for the 65s and shouldn't be too difficult to learn.  The pit exit is a bit unusual in that it isn't near the start line.

Reserve drivers should not join until there are only 30 mins of qualifying left and all drivers should not go out on track until there are 30 minutes of qualifying left as this helps all drivers join the server successfully.

Please restrict chat to pit messages only including at the end of the race until ALL drivers still racing have crossed the line.

Don't forget to use the updated 65 mod for this race.

Please be in the IGOR UKGPL chatroom by 8:55 p.m.
(You will need to set up a channel called #ukgpl if you haven't already done so)
IGOR and Race passwords: see above (#post_event_password)

Server = UKGPL_T7_2
IP address = 62.149.202.168
Race Date = 20-04-2010
Time = 21:00
Track = Keimola
Variant = 65F1
Damage Model = Pro
Qually Time = 30 minutes.
Race Length = 50 minutes (36 Laps)
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=247&theme=6)

We have split the cars into groups based on average performance and split the drivers into groups based on average ability. The chassis numbers for Amateurs are as follows:

AMATEUR CHASSIS GROUPS
1 - Lotus, Ferrari
2 - BRM, Honda
3 - BT11
4 - Cooper
5 - BT7

Each driver has been given a seeding number and must pick a chassis with either an equal number or higher number but not a lower number. For example, if a driver is given a seeding of 2, he must pick one of the cars in group 2 (BRM or Honda) but if he would prefer to drive either the BT11, Cooper or BT7 he may do so. This means that a driver given a seeding of 1 can pick any chassis he prefers.

**NOTE**
Whichever chassis a driver begins his first race with is the chassis he must use for the remainder of the season unless a change has been agreed with the moderator.

The following drivers have made their chassis choice:

FULL TIME

Driver	Chassis
Phil	Ferrari 512
EvilClive	Brabham BT11
Bernie	Lotus 33
John Roberts	Brabham BT11
FullMetal	Brabham BT11
b_1_rd	Lotus 33
policardi	Brabham BT11
al heller	BRM P261
Nicky	Brabham BT11
clutch	Lotus 33
kinghiro	BRM P261
g jonsson	Brabham BT11
Jimmy Rye	BRM P261

RESERVES
None

The following drivers are still to make their chassis choice:

FULL TIME

Driver	Seeding
turkeymachine	4
natan	2

RESERVES

Driver	Seeding
Hristo	5
Bartosz	1
Asbjeurn	1
Ruud	1

Please use the updated 65 mod for this race which is available here:
Jamesonline.net/UKGPL (http://www.jamesonline.net/ukgpl/1965mod_PATCH_v2.0.2_Setup.zip)

Love this track, always had great races at it in different leagues. This should be a good one!

I might be a little late for this one depending on GPLRACER race, so please make room for me on the server.

Göran

Blasted windows meant that I had to do a re-install of all software, anyhow I have got GPL back up and running. However, my ethernet connection is mysteriously not working so I can only connect via wireless.

I think that I'll turn up for qualyfying and see how warpy everything is. Perhaps I should sit this one out?

James

great little track if your into polo's  ;D

tried this a few times with 67 cars , not a track I could ever learn to drive well , hope the little engined buggers will be better

They are  ;)

Brm for me pls

That was the worst driving I've ever seen in GPL - and I'm including pick-up races in that statement. 

Got off the grid OK & was heading towards the left hand hairpin after the pits exit following King Hiro & Clutch. I could see JW just behind so left him loads of room on the inside in case he wanted to try & take a dive into the hairpin... but no he decided to just drive flat out into the back of me instead. And I don't mean a little tap - I mean flat out as if I wasn't even there. Can you ruin someone else's race from now on please Jethro - I've had my turn. 

Only just made the race as I was still installing my sound card, so couldn't do a qualy lap.

Turn 3, lap 1 and I was trying to pass a Lotus when a car was launched in front of me. I was fully comitted to the corner and unfortunately couldn't avoid a car that had been propelled to the inside of the corner.

Trying to put in a recovery drive, I was making some nice progress. I had what I consider to be a racing incident with S.Birds Lotus. I was on the outside and he probably didn't know I was there. I tried to leave room on the inside of the corner but maybe I pinched him a bit too much.

Then I had a battle with P.Thornton, whom I eventually passed and then passed K.Hiro. Tim Muttram had passed me but I was able to stay with him for a while before lack of talent saw me have a few lucky encounters with the barriers. Anyway, Clutch must have made a mistake or something, because I was 10 seconds down on him and all of a sudden...there he was. He almost lost it going into the last corner and I nearly collided with him.

Finally I passed Clutch on the straight, only to loose it in Turn 3. In my efforts to avoid going off, I slew across the corner and Clutch could not avoid an impact. Maybe in hindsight I should not have tried to correct the car so much and run around the corner on the gravel outside.

Anyhow, I was gaining again on Clutch during the last couple of laps and it looked like I might be able to finish an impressive P6. But then I lost it AGAIN and hit the wall.....then a spin...cars flew by and I was a bit damaged. Still the results say I was P7, which is a good result for me.

Jim

Results posted with Hristo's dropped laps reinstated.

Had a quick look at lap 1 on the server replay.  There are couple of incidents but rather than discuss them here please raise an incident report.  The server replay will be available in the usual place so you can compare it with your own client replay.  You may find some differences due to warp.  That doesn't mean no penalties.  If you can, please submit a clip of your client replay with the report.

good race track that  ;D

at least this time I got to see the chequer waved , good racing with ex soggy man Steve Bird until I made a stupid mistake followed by a few more even stupider mistakes and some near fatal errors of judgement,  in my 'paltry' efforts to make up ground , was good to have my old mate Phil join me for a few laps of dicing , but his red machine was to fast for me in the final stages .

 ::)

 

My first proper race with cluthcing, H shifting and rightfootbraking. Still somewhat unsecure and tried to stay out off close battles. Liked the race and liked the track. Ended 7 th and I m pleased with that  :)

This was a great race for me. But I must admit that things somehow went my way.

To beguine with Nicky was not able to join, Al got hit and Tim and H kindly moved aside and let me and Clive by. Then kinghiro racing with H-shifting and right foot braking for the first time, (I think it`s great), meant he was in a new situation. I too use H-shifting and right foot braking but I have done it for some time by now.

That said I think I did a good race with no major mistakes and though I could not really follow Clive I was never threatened from behind. There were times when H came a bit closer but then he fell back again. The only time it was a bit critical was when I was comming up on a backmarker and he was spinning just in front of me.

So, bring on the next, see you there.

Not really a fanh of this track, but after a few laps i started to get into the groove a little bit and actually quite enjoyed it.

The car was pretty stable on heavy fuel and i could lap consistantly. I knew the faster guys would catch and pass me and though i tried to defend, it was always only a matter of time when the likes of H and Tim got past.

Can sympathise with Al Heller. I'd just turned into the hairpin he mentions when i saw a couple of cars fly over my head. I guess it was the usual 'everyone brakes at the same point as me don't they?' attitude from some. I'm aware that i break earlier than most, perhaps due to my driving technique, but have to say, the fast guys who passed me were very professional, braking off my line so potential collions are avoided..etc.

On low Fuel, the car was all over the pace and the left front was getting too hot meaning the car was unstable. Had a good race (not for the first time) with J.Rye and its a shame it ended in a collision, but we both finished so its not all bad.

Finally, great to see KingHiro and G Jonsson H-Shifting, Clutching and Right Foot braking. Sure its more difficult - a lot more difficult - but great to see. Its reassuring i'm not the only one struggling with it. And yes.. I'm afraid to say.. doing it that way is 'Keeping it real'. I've yet to find footage on YouTube of Jim Clark Flicking up and down the gears with paddles behind the wheel and his left foot sat ready on the brake  ;)

A new circuit for me. Managed a few short practice sessions over the past few days and was quite pleased to be getting the new green thing down to the 1:20's, but had no idea if that was anywhere near competitive.
Qually was interesting , and it looked ( for a while) like I was in with a shout of pole position...then Hristo put his oar in! followed by Tim.

I tried a few banzai laps, but was still learning the circuit and decided that my time would be better spent running on race fuel.
3rd spot on the grid looked under threat from Goran who was going well on his pre-warmed tyres but I survived.

The start was ok, still not used to getting the green thing off the line, and I pulled alongside Hristo as we went to T1. There was no way I was going to get around the outside of Hristo this early in a race so, a quick glance at prib showed 0.5secs back to 4th so I eased back and followed H around the inside.
It was obvious that Tim and H were very evenly matched and were going to put on a good show  for 1st place.................. until..............T3 where things got very scary with metalwork flying in all directions.
Using the tried and tested technical avoidance procedure of closing both eyes and holding on tight!! I aimed for where one of the cars was, in the hope that it would not bethere when I arrived. ...It worked, and although I was forced to run a very strange and wide line through T3 I emerged unscathed and in the lead.
I figured that this was going to be my only chance of beating Tim and H if I could build a big enough lead and keep the pressure on with laps in the 1:20's. I needed about 15 secs lead if I could squeeze that much out of the green thing, to keep me in with a chance of the chequered flag. As an extra incentive Goran was also on fire and for the first half of the race kept pace with me and only about 3 secs behind....far too close for me to relax.
At half way i think Goran eventually made the mistake I was praying for and dropped back by another few seconds... and still no sign of Hristo or Tim on the prib readout.
From then on I tried to keep it clean and neat checking my lap times to maintain that 1:20 time. 3 laps to go and I eased slightly and started short shifting just in case ::)
I was really gifted this race my Tim and Hristo's T3 tangle, and a good slice of luck. Still not totally hooked up with this green thing but we are getting better.
Grats to all finishers and I think at least for the 65's this is a great little circuit.

When the replay comes back I'd be interested to see how lag was involved in the collision with Al. I'd lifted off and hit the brakes quite early, but his bumper came up so quick I couldn't avoid it. Submit the report, I'll take the penalty. I likely won't be racing the next few anyway, just practising the Cooper.

Absolutely fuming with the state of my internet connection. I should have heeded Al's warning on the lag, but it was fine for around 20 seconds, and then I had massive slowdown around the braking zone for T2/3 (hairpin just after the pits, forget what it's called). Tried a rejoin, but it was still nuts, so quit and threw my keyboard at the wall. It's now in a better state than my internet, but still no good to me or anyone else. Does anybody got a spare? ::)

What a race!

Qualifying was very intense as well and for some time I thought I had the pole in the bag, even when Tim closed up to 4 hundreds behind with his 1:19.84 lap.

I knew my BT7 had some more pace stored in it and so I tried a different set of gears, using 3rd for the hairpins and 4th in T1. It didn't feel very comfortable, but it actually worked and gave me an improvement to a 19.66.

Alas, Tim somehow found a lot of speed as well and produced a 19.66 as well, but his was 5 thousands of a second quicker apparently.  ::)

There was not much hope to pass for 1st on the start and passing in normal racing conditions would've been hard either because the BT7 just looses so much on acceleration, especially out the last corner on the uphill slope.

At the start I took the outside line of T1 to carry more speed, but Tim still managed to rocket his BT11 down T2 and the following straight. He looked at a good distance ahead, so I thought I would close up on him at T3 by braking as my usual braking point.

Suddenly I realized I was closing up on him too fast and it appeared as if he nearly stopped in the corner, so I couldn't avoid contact and we slid across the grass without much (or any) damage.

I was still close to the outside edge of T3 so I carefully rejoined, but someone took the outside line at that moment (or someone went off, not sure) and I had another contact, but managed to continue almost immediately.

Tim was also recovering just behind me and a mistake from me let him by, so now I had to chase him as we put effort to pass the cars ahead. I remember the likes of Phil, Clutch and King Hiro being our next rivals.

Tim eventually closed up on one of them at T1 but missed his entry point and drifted wide, so I tucked in on the inside and accelerated to line up alongside him. The car ahead had a slightly slower exit and Tim attempted a pass while I was still side by side with him, which led to a contact and we both spun in the grass again. I guess we were even now.  ;D

I think I had some damage on the car by then, because it was handling funny in some corners and the tires began to overheat, but for some 20 laps it was still quite consistent.

Passing Vix was not easy as he was very fast on the straights, but eventually he went wide in a corner and I took the inside, but he turned in as if I was not there and took himself out.

Clutch was next and I took him at T3 with a very late braking manouver, but somehow kept it in the corner.

By that time Goran was nearly 20 seconds ahead with about 23 laps to go, so I needed to take at least 1 second a lap to have any chance of catching him. This worked for 10 laps or so, but then he increased his pace and was on par with my laptimes on some laps. Amazing feat considering the RFB and H-shifter!

I still had some chance to catch him, despite the handling of my BT7 getting worse, but then I came up on a Ferrari backmarker who was about 100 meters ahead, but decided to nearly stop in T3 to let me by. Sadly it was on the line I take and I couldn't avoid contact, but at least it was low speed. It cost me 2-3 seconds though and the chance of catching Goran disappeared unless he would make a mistake.

With 3 laps to go the server lost me from the results and so the pitboard was showing me I was dropping a lap down with each lap. I don't know if Goran slowed down when he saw I "wasn't" behind him, but I could see him a corner ahead on the last lap, so the gap had gone down. There wasn't anymore time left though.

Amazing consistency by Evil to take the win, grats! Also a great drive by Goran! I really thought I could catch you both despite the incidents early on, but you were faultless in front, so a well deserved 1-2.

See you next race!

-=Hristo=-

Hey Hristo !
Vix here !
Did u check replay before u wright those words ?  ::)

Do I have to? You missed your entry and went wide, I tucked in, you turned back into the line as if I wasn't there. Did you assume I've suddenly disappeared off the track despite having battled you closely for a whole lap before that or that I would turn in onto the grass inside the corner to make way for you?  ::)

Evil Clive took the consistency-meister award for the second Am's race in a row & once again had the best average laptime of 1:20.889. Just as in the race, Goran ran Evil close & if he grabs a win will 
become only the 3rd driver after Podkrecony Ziutek & James Rye who has claimed a victory in both the Novices & Amateur divisions.

A perfect consistency score here would be 180 (no variation in laptime over 36 laps).

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_AwMtMND4F-o/S87OWwh9YCI/AAAAAAAAAEo/Kjrmx4CJaCo/s1600/Ams02.png)

* the server lost Hristo but he did finish 3rd so I've adjusted his consistency score & everyone's high climber points to reflect that 

I may be bottom of the High Climber table but if there's a prize for High Altitude I must be leading that one  ;)

(http://sites.google.com/site/alanheller/_/rsrc/1271927610455/home/Jethro%20Behind%20small.png)

Does Air-Jethro do a frequent-flyer program? :D


Yes Phil, the server replay does indeed look different to my client replay but as you say I'll refrain from any further comment.

'I can see my house from here!!!.......'

Bet the volcanic dust played havoc with your engine at that altitude  ;D

Should Al be penalised for using illegal aviation fuel ?

 :laugh:

So Red Bull really works...

Christ almighty, I should have aimed you towards the flag man, for target practice!!!! :D

Alas in the melée Tuesday night my client replay didn't get saved. It was something I got into the habit of doing on a frequent basis, but lately I stopped.

Note to self: save your own damn replay.

On the plus side, landline internet's back up to a reasonable speed.

Jethro

I thing the answer to the question in your banner "Why the hell do I keep crashing then?" might be "because I keep using a sh*te wireless connection". 

It would probably be better not to race with a wireless/mobile connection and if you can't get a good landline connection.  A self imposed race ban might save you from a real one if you end up being involved in incidents like this.  It would save other people a lot of grief too.

I think you need to ask your mum to fork out for a better internet connection.  She might be amenable if she knows you spend your time on-line talking to fine upstanding gentlemen who are the pillars of society.  Don't tell her we are a bunch of deluded old duffers who are trying to recreate their youth in a virtual reality bubble called GPL or she might pull the plug ;).

Given the fact I've said several times "can I pay for my own phone line and broadband to actually have a decent internet connection for the infrequent gaming I do" and she's said no each time, I don't think you're helping my cause much. ;)

I know my connection's not great. But honestly, how was it in early 2009 on my VM modem? And you don't even wanna know about the awful halls-of-residence internet I had the previous year. GPL on that was a no-go. 50 second pings in Ventrilo!

My first few races were with WiFi. I couldn't race properly and so purchased a 25m LAN cable!

Jim

I also raced with wireless, which became a real headache one S18 got under way  :-\. Still, at least I could race back then  ;D.

wouldnt even attempt wireless for GPL get a freekin cable for pity's sake or leave home  :o

 >:( :( ;D
Congratulations to podium ones and all .

Well I couldn’t join the race as my router settings got corrupted somehow.
Unfortunately it took me quit a bit of time to realise that…
Even lost internet access and had to reset the router to its basic defaults .

What a pitty  , as my PB was 1-20-15 at keimola  .

Well , everything works again now . hope it will stay ,lol.