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Endurance Championship Division 2 - Season 1, Round 8 at Oschersleben

Date: Sunday 30th October

Practice 1: 8:30pm (30 mins)
Qual 2: 9:00pm (30 mins)
Warmup: 9:30pm (2 mins)
Race: 9:32pm (60 mins)

Cars allowed: Any. (Seat Toledo will not be eligable for points.)
Weather: Random (via dual-dice throw and sophisticated weather table ;))

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I just want to double check, before I put too many laps on it:

The Gillet Vertigo *is* classified as a NGT car, right?

Jakob

Yes, would love to see a Vertigo take part, they're rare!

Well, unless I suddenly lose 2 seconds per lap over the next 3 days, you'll see one on Sunday:D

Jakob

Hopefully I'll be back for this one, had too many issues personally to make recent races so would be great to get back into it again  :)

Will be nice to see you on the track again mate. Especially if you take points off Greg ;)

Lol!  I'll try my best ;)

Mate the chapionship is all yours now, well maybe  ;)  If only I had been there for the Barce race, might have been a different story.

Same question Mosler ngt ? cheers gerald

Mosler is in the NGT class for UKGTR leagues.

thanks mo thats great news

I seem to remember you hasseling me to death with the Vertigo in the D1 event Jakob, great driving matey :)

See if I can join in with a BMW again for this.  I like Oschers :D

Happy to report a sorted system and knocking time off round Ochers with whichever car I choose.

So far the Lister is looking favourite for Sunday - seems to be that the flatter tracks suit me better.

Is it too late for a charge into the Top 5 with 3 races left this season?

Yes, I was supposed to post this in the D1 event :). I had it super-stable through the twisty bits, but could not keep up with the Fezza on the straights...in fact, I struggled with lapping the BMW's and had to nab them in the corners.

Jakob

What a waste of time that was. Been practising for the past fortnight, not particularly looking forward to the race as I was having trouble getting a set-up that would last the race, but I needn't have bothered.

Qualified around where I expected, took the first lap without any problem, just coming up to start the race proper, field in front of me slowed right down for some reason, slowed down appropriately behind them when WHACK! Whoever was behind me drove straight thru me, there I was vertical in the air, watching the field go below me as if I was in a helicopter. If it hadn't ruined a fortnights work it would be funny, as it is I'm NOT HAPPY. Retired there and then. :( :( :( :( but also  >:( >:(

Poxy bloody game!!!!!!!

All was going fairly well til the start, we moved off and i'd lost al feedback in the wheel. Just managed to get that going again whilst on the move and found that the grid suddenly came to a halt at the final turn, tried to stop but cold brakes and all that, sorry Shark :(

Next thing i know someone slams into the back of me, taking the rear wing out, tried to lmp round to the pits but it wasn't having any of it and after going off again the engine just died in the middle of the track. The really gutting thing is that I was sitting 2nd in the table and needed to score well tonight if I was to get a top 5 season finish. Thats two bloody weeks running i've missed the endurance race cos of the game and it's tempremental nature   >:(

Disappointing again. Being used as a guiding rail by someone I was forced to quit. Spend a lot of time at practise because I wanted to give the Lister a try. All that has been a waste of time. :(

Now I'm going to exercise my other favorite waste of time: watching TV  ;)

Well what was a lot more encouraging for me ended in error!!

Sorry to whoever was third on the grid, my bad - put my foot down on the first S/F line and whacked SBG and forced you off.

Had a really good race early on with Ginsters even managing to make it past at one point then got caught out on the kerbs and span.
Hit Greg (sorry again) when passing a slower car and put us in the gravel and next lap the splitter went.
But wait it gets worse.

Sped in pit line, lost 2 laps repairing car, pitted for stop go penalty and as the pit menu came up hit ESC. Fatal error

Oh well least the game ran sound and I was competitive at last.

Cheers

A lot of us having a disaster of a race then. :'( :'( :'( After some good times in practice over the weekend, including 2s improvement on my PB, struggled in qually before finally hooking up a reasonable lap at the fourth attempt and grabbing NGT pole.

I was worried about rear tyre wear but decided mediums on both ends was my only sensible option. Managed to avoid the pace lap carnage (quite unnerving driving under a hovering Ferrari! :o bad luck Aajay :-\ ) and promptly went off in the final turn on the next lap after allowing myself to be distracted by the GT cars coming back through the field as a result. That damaged the aero at both ends of the car and after that the balance just got worse and worse as the rears wore.

Eventually the car became so tail happy I spun allowing Shark past, and then I went off again after getting into a tank slapper coming out of the chicane after the back straight. Ripped the splitter off and pitted to replace it; I'd practiced the pit entry quite a lot and knew how to push in there to minimize time lost; pity, then, that I just didn't press the limiter button and broke the speed limit.

Already a lap down on Pops, I pitted again to take the stop and go, only to have the silly sods want to put fuel and tyres in and on, instead of serving the penalty. In the ensuing panic I pressed Escape without really thinking, hoping that it would make the paper "job sheet" thing go away, but instead of course it retired me.

By my reckoning I'll get credited with 4th, which means that with two rounds to go, Jamera is out of the title hunt :( but Pops is back in - assuming he won. I really need to wrap this one up at Estoril because I don't think I'm going to want to do the final race as I'll need to leave for Egypt the following morning at about 4am. :o

That was one of the most spectacular pile-up's at the start I've ever seen  :o. Luckily Dave had his wits about him and I just followed through - Phew.

Bit disappointed not to get NGT pole but after a decent first session I seemed to be stuck in traffic just when I was getting a decent lap together.

Surprised to see Dave go off on lap 2, after that I gradually pulled away on the other NGT's for a pretty comfortable win in the end. One hairy moment when I got a low speed tap form a GT, otherwise I drove pretty well.

Very pleased as Oschers is my least favourite track and my incredibly conservative race tactics worked, partly because so many others had a bit of a disaster so I was a bit lucky I guess.

Still, keeps it interesting for the NGT title for at least another round! (sorry Dave!)

Nice one Mark Jonzo - an NGT Legends 1-2 I think  ;D

Pops

Phew that was a hell of a tough race...talk about total concentration the whole race to avoid going off, still had several silly spins.
I have to apologise to As-here, really sorry mate, i was tucked up too tight behind you and when i hit the brakes the 'draft' just took me on too far under braking :-[  I was desperately hoping to see you get moving out the same gravel trap i followed you into but it looked like your car didnt slow much in the gravel and broadsided the tyre wall ??? Felt very guilty everytime i saw your name in the pitlane as i went past :-[
I had a quiet race after that as i lost about 20-30 secs in the gravel, then caught Luis Branco with about 5 mins to go and gaining on him every lap, let a GT past me then my tyres let go around the sweeping set of bends and span off with only a few mins to go...gggrrr.
Slightly gutted but enjoyed a tough race, coming in 10th which i'm pleased with for my first enduro at OSchers.

Well done Pops on your 7th place !

Will need to take a serious look at the replay for the formation lap problems. Qualified in 15th I think it was and we had a fine formation lap till last hairpin and suddenly the whole field in front of me just stopped. I tried my best but hit whoever was in front of me not too hard as I slammed on the anchors and then Jamera really whacked me up the arse spinning me around hard. Jamera stood as much chance as me at stopping so no blame there as it was an impossible situation. Dunno what then happened behind me cause the rest of the field seemed to want to wait for us to get back on (maybe they were recovering too, dunno).

Apart from that race went ok, had one off on my own at one point where I came back onto the circuit in an awkward position just in front of Luis which probably scared him a bit, but I had a good think about what to do there and couldn't see anyone behind cause of the angle, couldn't hear anyone and was better coming on there than round the next bend as that would have been straight across the track. Luckily Luis's skills avoided me (dont really know how close it was maybe not as close as I thought) and I ended up 40 seconds ahead of him at the end with my usual no-stopper in the BMW.

Well done Mo on the win, and JonC on the podium for Team Shark. I was lucky enough to witness a very nice passing maneover by JonC with about 5 to go. He was right behind Greg as they came to lap me and he managed to take advantage of both being offline to lap me, pulled along side Greg and took him into the nasty left hander with the bump (the one where you swing out right first). I was shouting "go Jon" as he went along side and then for them to both safely get through the corner with Jon in front excellent stuff chaps really high quality car control and gentlemenly racing.

That was me Nick, thanks.  I would say more but not in public, annoyed to say the least.

Onto the race.
Well after being wiped out at the start ended up in 13th and had to battle my way through the slower cars, not much fun on this track.
Was going along nicely and up to 6th when guess what, yes got wiped out again.  Well this really damaged my tactics.  I had decided to do a non-stop race, which I managed to do but the last few laps were a complete nightmare with damaged tyres.
Well a podium was on the cards but hey thats life.  Real shame would have been nice to keep the championship alive for a bit longer.

Does anyones replay show the formation lap, for some reason mine dosn't.

Where we get a situation like we did tonight on the formation lap would it be possible to have a code word or something to tell the leaders to do another formation lap to allow those that survive to race???? what do you think guys?????

Don't feel to good after that.

Had a pretty crap quali which was compounded when Greg nipped in front of me. Not too worried, as that set up the prospect of a good battle with him for the race and the championship. Then completely lost interest when he slipped off (I will not discuss why here). To cap it all I had the wrong strategy.

At least Greg managed to recover and deservedly took some points off me. Congrats to teamy Mo ;D.

Yep it was a real shame SBG, would have been a good battle.  Still dont really know what happened at the start as my replay dosn't show it.  Guess it will all come out in the wash.

Good idea

well grats to mo for the win, good race early on mo we were pulling away :P
then snatched a dodgy double down shift into the 1st corner locked the rears and was pointing the wrong way :-[
that started a host of schoolboy errors which saw me hemmerage time to mo
settled down into a decent rythem about 17secs behind
caught back up for some reason ???1.8secs behind then coming up to lap a 360
he spun in front of me and i spun in sympathy :(
pitted p2.  another spin on the pit lane entry >:(
came out 5th only got one spot back on pits ???no stoppers
realised this was the case when got to 4th and started catching Greg   
good dice at the end Greg thought me day was over when i went off at the fast left hander
in your dirty air   ::)
thanks boss it was the highlight of an otherwise scrappy race.grats 2 u
think u might just have nipped me fastest lap in the beemer as well ;)
grats to u to popa

the issues with the warm up lap could be resolved if the pole car just went
out of the last corner then everyone else could do the same
i'm not a big fan off backing the pack up to the line :-\
i dont have chat on in car so wouldn't see any code words

c u at Estoril  ;D

Sorry Jam, that was me hit you on the formation lap. I glanced in mirror to check guys behind, then found you had stopped on final bend, why the field backed up like that I dont know, I had know where to go or time to react and I was going pretty slow. As for race, was good for 4 laps then span in a corner I never spun before, then blew a tyre just past the pit and had to crawl round whole lap to get a new set of boots, figured I'd fuel for rest of race to offset early stop, but car just never felt right, couple of spins, then another puncture....enough!

We debated something similar in UKGPL and came to the conclusion that it's not practical. Some of us race with chat off and wouldn't see it. There's no race observer to count the number of cars which go out, and even if there was, what proportion would have to be wiped out to restart - 10%? 20%? 50%? And would a damaged but still mobile car count towards the total?

Let's look at the replay first and establish what actually went wrong before we try and fix it.

Replay and provisional results now available.

Sounds like an interesting race  :-\

Incident reports for this race to Dave - is that right?

Sorry for my terrible memory, it's been a while since I had to submit anything!

BTW Dave, you only have to turn up at Estoril and the championship is yours! You only need 8 points for an unasailable lead, we've never had enough NGT's to make than not happen.

Pops

Yep, I'm still moderating Endurance. :o

Not a bad race. Stutter was gone - but I already solved that one earlier - and the lag and pings were pretty decent.

Was able to put a nice pace with the Z3 but lost too much time opening and facilitating as much I could the faster GT cars. Not that ever anyone forced overtaking or anything, it was just me that want to get out of the way. Even made a silly mistake on count of that. Also got mixed with an accident with a 550 and a 360 in T1, where it was impossible for me do much better in those circumstances and couldn’t completely avoid the 360.
Due to those 2 reasons, but mainly lost time while being overtaken,  I lost contact with Shark and from time to time the gap grown when a GT car appeared in my mirror.
I’m still not practice in being overtaken ;D and hoping never be  ;D
In the final part of the race I found Jonzo closing the gap and I though I would have to work hard to fight for 9th. But that didn’t happen and I reach the end of the race easily without any pressure.

Congrats to Mo, Popabawa and Shark for the wins.

It was an interesting race to say the least, but the rate of attrition was shocking. 20 starters and only 11 finishers (12 if you count the chap who sat in the pits for 2/3rds race)

Qualifying was a scrap for the NGT with the 1st 4 being within 3/4 of a second of each other, did a PB to get there too, so was looking forward to a close race.

Formation, as everyone has said, was fine until the last corner. Mark Jonzo stopped in front of me, and I avoided him but got a tiny tap from Shark behind me (no damage), I moved off only to see Shark go spinning off!! Set off down the start/finish to the slightly surreal sight of a 550 flying vertically through the air.

Nipped past Mark J and set off after Pops and to my suprise, managed to stay within a couple of seconds for about 5 laps......then lost it at the end of the S/F.

Managed to get moving OK, only lost a couple of spots then got a puncture after about 16 laps, took a pit and enough fuel to finish.

Had another couple of spins, one in front of Jon Chadwick (really sorry Jon) but I dont think there was any contact.

Ended 12th :( very dissapointed tbh. I was on the pace of Pops and Mark J as the last 5 or 6 laps proved (although by this time I was a lap behind them, so they may not have been trying too hard) Plus Pops blue smoke screen seems to work a treat ;) Ive never seen a car lock brakes so often :)

For those last 5 laps I was happy sitting behind you as I was about 40s ahead of Shark at that point so I wasn't pushing too hard but I was definately quicker through turns 1-2 which is where you let me through.

I then got a bit nervous with slightly worn tyres with you and several GT's in my rear-view, I got a bit 'enthusiastic' on the brakes  :-\ I was trying so hard not to screw up  ::).

Pops

NOBODY smokes like an NGT Legend!  ;)

Just noticed that's me wrapped up the Div 2 G3 championship win and Team Shark the Div 2 G3 Team championship!

Well done Sharks!

Perhaps I will take the Lotus next time out.  :o

Nice work fellow Sharks, now who fancies running a GT for the last two races???

First race back for a few weeks and went much better than expected!

Qualifying was pants, ended up 7th albeit in a race setup.  Couldn't find a setup that felt ok until I resorted to using my Monza setup with the wings at 2 and 12, which I did as a last resort but it worked pretty well!

No idea what happened on the formation lap!  ???  Straight off the grid at the start, whoever qualified in 8th (ie behind me) decided to barge into 7th around turn 2, so I had to start a place back from where I should've been, then the whole last corner thing was a joke.  I've not seen the replay so I'll have to wait for that, but seeing a flying Ferrari in my mirrors was rather weird!  :o

The race itself was great, didn't spin once and kept it steady trying to keep SBG and Nick in sight at the start.  I could tell Mo was miles in the lead so I was amazed once everyone had pitted that I was in the lead!  Initially I could keep a 13-odd second gap but that reduced by a couple of seconds a lap until Mo caught me up on lap 35, then a good patient move up the inside on the back straight pushed me back to 2nd.  I was really happy to see a 20-odd second gap back to 3rd so I could stop pushing my tyers so much, and 2nd was much more than I'd hoped for.  Looks like it could be a good battle for 3rd in the championship now!

Onto Portugal, really have to get some laps in there or I'm gonna have a very hard time.

well that was hard work . everything happened at the start . OK mark things happen suspension damaged so end of race.

Hi I gave up as I think I had lag ,cars were going away and then jumping back toward me .In the end I threw it into the barriers tyring to get back to the pits.see you around gerald

Woohoo - my first pole and first win. :D

I had a good first stint, with myself and Jon C pulling out a bit of a lead. Jon then had a spin, and after pushing for a few laps I pulled out a 15 second lead, which I then threw away by having my own spin.
Luckily I had enough margin to remain in the lead until the pitstops. I rejoined after my stop in 4th (i think) and realised that some guys were no-stopping so had to push again.

Eventually I caught up to Zacari who was leading and showing good pace considering his tyres had done 50 mins, but I had more grip through the chicane allowing me to get a run down the back straight to take the lead with 3 or 4 to go.

Have to say thanks to all the lapped cars who were very professional - especially on a tight twisty track like Ocshers.
In fact the NGTs aren't actually that much slower round here than the GTs.

Watch out I'm coming past Soon 8) look forward to this Sunday Ive not raced here for ooohh at least 8 years maybe more , jon c will know exactly.   ;)