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Practice 1:	20:00	(10 mins)
Qual 2:	20:10	(20 mins)
Race:	20:30	(80 mins)	note: no warmup!

Cars allowed: Any GTC or GT3 from the v2.12.4.0 pack (download (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3356.msg54519#post_physics)).
Track: Brno.
Time of Day Setting: 14:00.
Weather: dry.
Pit Stops: You must make a minimum of one pit stop during which you must take on at least 1 litre of fuel and/or change at least two tyres. You cannot take a mandatory stop at the end of the pace lap, or with less than 1 lap to go.

Server: UKGTR U12LE
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Notes:
(1) Please make sure you are fully aware of the UKGTR Rules (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3349.0) - especially the speed limiter starting procedure and the rules about in-game chat messages.
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(7) The server will be set to 26 slots, not 28.

Oh! Looks like it's dry for a change. ;)

You seem to be under the impression TT that it was going to be something other than dry? I'm sure Dave said he was only going to do dry and a few constant wet ones.

I know, but I gotta... :P  Seems like he forgot this is not iGTR2. ;)

Guys mind if I join you for this one? I haven't raced GTR2 in years, but I'd like to dust it off and work on some modern sports car setups.

To be honest, I see enough of you on Thursday ;) Cyu Sunday, GTC?

back from the pub &  :lol: :lol: :lol:

Yes. GTC.
Don't worry Ian. I'm rusty and Brno isn't one of my best tracks. I'm sure I won't see you as you'll be way up ahead.

oh, he'll only be 2 seconds a lap faster than most of us instead of the normal 3-4  ;) ;D

Welcome Mike. :)

Can someone confirm the start time is 20:00 UTC? I am a bit confused with the subject heading of this thread refering to 3:30PM +1:00 and 20:00 in the message body not showing a time zone.

It's the same race start time as our PnG Mike, give or take 10 mins

What's the time of day at your place then, Mike? :)

20:00 UK time - 19:00 UTC. The only thing I can see with a half hour is the weather, but that's just the time when the weather report was last retrieved.

Thanks Dave. That clears it up for me. 20:00 UK (BST) = 15:00 Connecticut (EDT).

I'm still working out strategy for this race. I love the endurance events because it puts so many options on the table for you to explore. I started to look at running hards without taking tires, but the only way for me to make them last is to slow down or to modify the setup by raising tire pressures to help with longevity, but that in turn slows me down. I will experiment with mediums next. I don't think I'll have time to fully sort the strategy, but will get better as I get more races under my belt.

Looking at Ian's fastest laps here from the past event in the Spyker is quite humbling.

I just found the start is rolling from the championship announcement. I also see a potential conflict in the weather report. The championship announcement (just above the points standings) indicates changable weather, but the race announcement in this thread indicates dry. I just found the championship announcement while looking for the start procedure. Is the weather going to be dry for this race? I don't mind changeable weather, but will need a bit more time to prepare.

Think that might be a copy and paste error ;) The race will be dry as per race post Mike.

Gutted, had 5th in the bag then for some reason the race carried on an extra lap despite being on 00.00 well before i crossed the finish line ??? and i ran out of fuel with 1 corner to go  :'(

Couldnt match my praccy pace in qually and so didnt get the top 5 time i was hoping for.

Race was a corker, total action from the start upto the pitting at around 40-50mins mark. Had great battles with Prof and H@L with nothing between us for lap after lap.

At the pits it was the same frustrating scenario. Prof pitted before me and then H@L who was behind me on track. I had two further sloppy laps on worn tyres then came in early. Had a totally straightforward stop for tyres and 25mins fuel, manually pitting, but when i came out the pits i had lost 20-25 seconds to the whole top 5 ahead of me including H@L :o ??? I dont know what the heck you guys are doing so special to gain so much time.
As i emerged from the pits, Prof came zipping past into T1 so i chased him hard on my fresh tyres and got by him within about 3 laps. I pulled out a 15 second gap to Prof and took 10-12 out of H@l ahead but it was all for nothing for despite getting 5th place, i ran out of fuel with that one blinking corner to go and had to watch Prof and spanner go past dropping me to 7th  >:(

The race ends when the leader crosses the line with 0 on the clock. He probably crossed the line before then and so needed to finish that lap before the flag was shown.

More than a bit peeved to run outta gas as well (to be fair, how long have we been at this mj ;)). Ended up ruining TT's chances for nowt and that makes it doubly annoying :(

Good to see some "new" faces from PnG land and a better turnout. Congrats to all.

Replay and provisional results posted

LapChart (http://www.granum.plus.com/20100509%20U12LE/index.html)

I'm happy with 2nd first time out with the group; especially considering it has been a couple years since I've driven GTR2. These cars are much twitchy than the P&G cars I'm used to which force me to have faster hands. The race length and the need for fuel and tire strategy also adds to the level of excitement and need for thorough preperation. I'll have to work harder in this department in the coming races. I am happy to see I'm on pace with the resident aliens.

Sorry to see SBG didn't have the fuel to get to the end. I nearly gave him 2nd by losing 5 seconds getting loose into turn 2 and brushing the wall drivers left. Even with my tires being a bit stronger in the end, I could not close the gap to Berger even if I gift back to myself those 5 seconds lost. He was simply quicker today. We were very close coming out of the pits. It had to be less than .1 at the line. It was a very close race most of the way.

I'll be on holiday the next 2 rounds, but will return for Donnington. I thoroughly enjoyed the race and the prep work.

Was having the time of my life up to the pitting. Then the Legend Curse striked once again. :( I can't think of doing anything wrong in the pits and still came out 20 seconds behind. ???

Watched Bergers car cross s/f line after warmup lap and thought he was gonna go but he did it 0,5 sec later. That made me lift off and sbg passed right there. ::) Was trying for 35 minutes to pass. Was faster through corners but the porker danced away on every straight. Tried on the inside, on the outside, left a bit of room to get into slipstream (i didn't notice there was any :P ), nothing worked. I bet Mike was having a laugh there as we were slowing eachother down. :shifty:
Anyways, decided to pit a bit sooner and leapfrog. Oh yea, came out behind H@l who was, what, 20 seconds behind? I don't get it. :(

No setup time, so ran with an Enna setup. was 2 secs per lap off the pace in the race, Viper doesn't seemt to work here.
Persevered up to stops, had preset 42 mins fuel and change all 4 Hard tyres - fronts were down to the canvas, and the pit crew were giving warnings about worn tyres, rears were not quite as bad but needed changing, so hit return the second the car stopped, 52 second stop amnd came out another 20 secs behind Nsfast. so parked it and left.
I think I need to find another car. I like the viper but it is too slow at most places for me to have any racing with anybody. Tried the Z3 but it felt a horrible wayward thing.

Vertigo seems a nice choice to me. It's the opposite of the Viper, so you might need some adjustment in driving style. :)

An all action enjoyable race for me even though my poor GTC pace in the Mosler forced me to dice with the G3 drivers.  I really struggled to get any more speed out of the car - maybe that's why I'm the only the driver dumb enough to choose it, although it is fun to drive :). For some unexplained reason, my best race in this car was, by far, Edmonton where I was right on the GTC pace. The car just seemed to work there. 

However, it did make for some excellent racing with G Bob, Nsfast, Jose and Picnic - cheers for that. My race ended when I elected to bail before rear ending Jose towards the closing stages. Much rather ditch my car than take someone out  :angel:
 
  

The first half was fun.
The second half was boring.
Two undeserved places gained at the end.
Well done to the podium winners.

Strange race. Had some good battles before and after the pitstop but before GSi Bob was a little quicker and after nsfast had had a moment and dropped back in to our battles I was as quick as him.

Had a good pitstop (almost too good as I had 1.1l of fuel at the end) and jumped nsfast and Jose and had them about 8 secs behind, we all peeled in to the pits on the same lap with Jose first, me then ns.

Initially they both started to gain on me, no matter what I did ns kept closing, for some reason Jose had dropped back. In due course I was reeled in and ns hounded me for a few laps until he worked out that I was just too slow through the corners and often ended up with uncontrollable understeer. He took advantage and executed a brilliant overtake though the chicane before the uphill section at the end of the lap.

GSi Bob seemed way off the pace after the stops and I caught and passed him with ease, did you not take tyres at your stop?

I made minimum tweaks from Edmonton setup for Z4, same should be for Mosler - or did you make a new setup? Rear suspension needs to be quite stiff or you'll never get that corners right.  A fun car, really. :)

     Good first half race with some very, wow! that was close,battles.
   
     The old brainbox was in overdrive, when i pitted i pressed for no change to
     front and rears instead of no change rears only! wear was 32 on fronts on
     coasting (no fuel left) over the finishing line.

     Congrats to all podium winners,see you next race,Bob.

That move was more luck than judgement...but I'lll take the credit :D

The most enjoyable race of the season so far. Great racing with five of us having a very similar pace. I started ok but was quickly under threat from API and Jose. API finally went past on lap 7 and then at the next corner I was caught out by Jose passing on the inside and had a small spin. I rejoined behind the chasing pack of gsi bob and Peter in 5th place but was struggling to keep up. Gsi bob started to move away and I ended up pitting on the same lap behind Jose and Peter. I rejoined behind Jose with Peter 8 sec ahead  ???

With nothing to lose, I started to drive much more aggressively and the gap started to close up again. Some great final laps with Peter trying to overtake. I was quicker in the corners he was pulling away in the straights. Until finally I had a bit of luck.  :)

Congrats to the podums. Supersonic Racing junior team are still in with a chance of that GT3 title!

I wasn't laughing but instead wondering what my happen if you guys sorted that battle out. I should have been pulling away with you guys dicing like that, but I didn't. The only time my eyes opened wide was when you tried to pass SBG on the outside of the last turn. That would have been cool if it worked.

Fantastic pace TrueTom. I don't remember you this spicy in the P&G cars. Maybe you're a razor's edge kind of guy.

Erm, what? Can it be cured? :scared:

i am very happy with the win yesterday.
i think i did my best race since long time yesterday, it was so hard against miller which was always so constant fast and in end of each stint faster then me and it was hard too against SBG in 2nd stint (as long he had enough fuel).
i did drive the viper totaly on limit, this car is so much dump in corners, but so GREAT in straights :D, but brno have not much long straights.
the comeback from miller was great, i am sure in one of the next races he do make win.

i did enjoy the race yesterday, no mistake and i did drive constant and fast, only tyres in end of stint did make a little problems for me.(tyres are not good in yiper)
it was till perhaps 2 laps before end of race, open (not sure)  who can win the race? me, miller, sbg (or truetom, only in 1st stint)

congrats to all driver, hope everyone had same fun then me yesterday.

servus

So come on spill the beans front guys, how the heck did you all gain +20 seconds in the pitstops? I couldnt fathom out H@l especially, as he was behind me on track and pitted before me, yet when i came out from mine he was 25 seconds up the road  ???  I didnt make any errors in my stop, used manual starter etc, only 25mins fuel (which turned out to be 24mins  ::) ) and new boots all round and it was a very short pit entry. Did you front group not change tyres? Thats what i thought H@L must have done as assume he cant have fueled to end of race  :-\ and yet although i took 10 secs out of him in last session of race, im fairly sure it would have been more if he was on same worn tyres for full race.

Its very painful when you've fought someone closely for 40minutes on track to lose out 20+ secs in the stops  :( and also makes the 2nd half of the race boring as your nearest competitors have gained such an advantage.

Elementary anyway as i ran out of fuel because i changed strategy and brought my stop forward 5mins...hence i corner too short on fuel  :'(

Having studied pit stop times to 'even out' the Potrero UE race, I have analysed approximate pit times for some of the GTC racers last night.
Berger R – 74  Viper  62s
Mike Miller Porsche 997  60s
Truetom  BMWZ4  75s
H@L9000 TVR  60s
Prof BMWZ4  77s
Spanner Porsche 997 81s
Mark Jonzo Porsche 997  73s
SbG 911GT3  56s
Interesting that the two Z4 drivers were nearly the same yet the Porsche 997 drivers were very different. Assuming that slowing down in the pits and leaving on the limiter are nearly the same (1-2 seconds perhaps) the other factors can only be.
1. Number of tyres (I assume most people changed all 4 here)
2. Fuel (Poor Z4 suffers here)
3. Damage (Spanner yesterday?)
Assuming there was no damage in most cases it seems that fuel requirement is the controlling factor....

Good stuff, Prof! :thumbup1:
I changed 4 tyres and added 70 litres of fuel (started on full 90 litres). Which was just enough, I had some 4 litres left in the end. :)

Ditto TT started on 90 and topped up to 70. Hard front, soft rears. Do you use manual engine off or let the game do it? I didn't feel I wasted much time looking at the request board.

Lol yeah i had about 6 secs of damage plus i dont follow the norm :P I dont start on full race fuel so filled up with 50L plus the tyres. Probably could have dropped it by 10L based on the finish tho'.

Thanks TT, I tried the Vertigo, and was more than a second quicker, a few tenths quicker in Nissan, and was even a couple of tenths quicker inthe 911 (shudder) which was very understeery with default setup, not what i exepcted.
I think Mr Viper is to be sold this week at auction.

You mean the fuel calc? I do it myself during driving and that means two things: my pace drops and I usually have too much or not enough fuel. :P

Edit: Vert is a very forgiving car and can do wonders. I like it. :)

My first impressions are that the Vertigo is a fine car but like the viper it is not consistently competitive on all tracks.

Engine wear also seems very high with the Vertigo.  ???

I can't stress enough how important pit strategy is in these races. I'm not sure what the level of expertise is here, but I'll share what I know. Hopefully I'm not giving away too many secrets.
1. map a button for ignition and starter
2. do the pit sequence manually. this is especially helpful if taking tires because you can turn on the ignition and then start the car while the tires are going on.
3. reduce your time in pits as much as possible by starting with a full tank and adding enough fuel to get to the end. GTR2 is funny in that the number shown for the fuel is not what you will be adding, but instead, what the total amount is after the stop. Simply calculate what you will need to complete the race and set the fuel amount. I wish there was a way to make it a set amount to add, but I haven't figured out a way to do this.
4. enter the pit lane with as much speed as possible before getting on the binders and hitting the limiter button (i need a bit of work on this because I'm used to P&G where there are no speed limits)

I fully expected to gain more time to Berger on the stop. I expected the Viper to take on more fuel considering it has a big thirsty engine compared to the 3.6L flat 6 in the GT3. Isn't the viper engine like a 6.0L V10? I was a bit too conservative on the fuel with 1.7 gallons left in the tank in the end. The GT3 was using .7 gallons per lap so I probably left around a second on the table in the pit lane. Usually, that won't make much of a difference, but last Sun, it could have led to a victory because I would have got out in front of Berger. I'd like to test the fuel usage on all cars one of these days. Having a varying degree of fuel usage for the cars is part of what makes the results so interesting and the strategy challenging.

i just watched the replay to see whats happening at the pit stops but it doesnt show fuel or tyres going in unfortunately. Mike, Berger and H@L were all only stationary for about 37 seconds, i was stationary for 51 !  :( But i dont get how if we all took fuel and tyres for last stint, which makes me think they took fuel only.  :-\
Prof and H@L even stopped at the same time and yet H@L still pulled out of his pitbox a good 10 seconds quicker than Prof.
I think the Legends pit crew are just a bunch of slack jockeys playing cards and boozing in the garage  ;D

i didnt know that first bit highlighted !!  I always lose a few secs as the car will never engage first gear for some reason after a stop. It takes about 5-8 pulls of the right shift paddle to get it to engage, perhaps as engine as only just fired up? :-\

and second bit i highlighted...you have to remember these cars have all been DG'd !! so all sorts of tampering with fuel levels etc has gone on, something i disagree with but there you go, thems the rules.

Lol MJ ;D As soon as the fueling is done you can start the engine. But you still have a bit of a delay before going off but not to the auto option.

This is set in the options somewhere. Don't know exactly where but I do know it can be set to either show you with how much fuel you will be driving after leaving the pits or how much fuel you want them to add. :)

I do all of it manualy. And if Prof does it the same then I didn't lose time in the pits, it's the car thing then. Don't know weather to be sad or glad. ::)
Out of curiosity: did drivers with other cars start with a full tank and how much fuel did the car use in the race / how much fuel did you add?

@MJ: I'm sure DG set the Legends livery car the magic +10 seconds during pitting. ;D

I leave pitting to the computer which probably explains some of the 2 seconds gain you made. My guess is that others required much less than the 50 litres or so we both had to put in. I love driving the Z4 but pit stop time and top speed are its major drawbacks.

Very fun race last night, mainly the first half.

I had a great race with Prof and MJ. At the start I was kind of keeping up with the front runners but soon dropped back a bit as they picked up pace. Prof caught up with me and I could see MJ just behind him too. After a few laps of close formation racing, I made a small error which allowed Prof to pass and then MJ was rite on me. The formation racing continued all the way up to the pit stop. I pitted at the same time as Prof and almost went into the back of him but, luckily I used just enough caution after last weeks sillyness with Legzy, sorry again Legzy. :(

I seemed to have a great pit stop and passed Prof, MJ and TT as a result.

TT soon caught me and passed me. I cant remember what happened there, I need to check the replay to remind my self. After that I just had to keep the concentration up until the end. Not so easy in the TVR. You have to push it really hard but it makes it very difficult to keep the concentration up for 80mins.


I changes all 4 tyres but, I started with 100L fuel and when I pitted I was set to fill up to 59L. As I still had about 50L I only took on about 9L, I had about 5L left at the end of the race. If I was paying more attention, I would have realised that I could have not changed my rear tyres. I noticed that my rear tyres only got to 12 tyre ware by the end of the last stint.


Indeed, have the engine revving, the car in first gear and go as soon as the car is dropped back on the floor. Don't forget to drive straight over the lolly pop gut as well. ;D Take note MJ. ;)


In GTR2 you do not need to hit the limiter button. The limiter comes on automatically when you cross the pit speed limit line.

Well done podiums. Nice UKGTR début Mike. We have another Alien amongst us it would seem. ;D

See you all next race.

hello mike,
the viper is the car which need totaly the most fuel and RS (SBG i think take it) is best in fuel, so i am sure SBG did not take fuel and drive with 100l complete race.
i was thinking you will overtake me in pits, but as you did say perhaps you take to much fuel in pits, i did end my race with a little under 2litres (no idea how much  gallons this is).
viper need 3.05-3.08 litres a lap. i did start with 100l (as always) and i did take 59 litres (fuel which i do leave pits, not adding) for last 19 laps (think around 22litres my pitbox did make fuel extra)
i do make only a starter key for manual engine off/on(no ignation key), try to calculate fuel exactly with XD, brake as late as possible, do engine off any seconds before i do stand in pits (crew start earlier doing fuel), i hit enter if pitboardtable? (where infos are like how long take change tyres....) comes without watch it, and try to stand exactly in a row? in pitbox, if you do not stand exactly in pitbox the crew do often stand any seconds before they start to make fuel. only 2 seconds i did loose in pits is great for me with viper and perhaps i did win the race in the pits (as many i did already)

P&G cars are a bit too soft for me, Mike. :) Also, I'm not comfortable with throwing them into the corner, then powerslide out. I tried it, but I spin most of the time. :D Wasn't driving a lot in P&G, really. 906/Suzuka combo brought me back 'cause 906 acts almost like a normal modern GT car. :)