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Title: UKGTL Season 10 Readers Drives - Thruxton - May 31
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on May 07, 2010, 11:00:23 AM +0100
In case you have been away from GTL, there have been GTL lobby problems. But.... it's all fixed now!

This is what you do to connect to the server:

1) Download & run this HOSTS HACK (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg54518#post_hostshack)
2) Start GTL & select to the lobby
3) Register a new lobby account (I suggest the same name but with a blank email & password)
4) Log in with your new account & you should see a list of servers

:euro:

If this fix has not worked for you, then please check out this thread for more info/questions: https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=6869.msg119486#msg119486

But most importantly, do not suffer in silence (also, don't leave it till the Monday night ;)).
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"This is my nearest racing circuit so I thought I'd kick off the season using it"

All members welcome.

Grid/server capacity: 28

Practice: ~19:20 (60 mins)
Qualifying: 20:20 (20 mins)
Race: 20:40 (42 laps = ~65mins)

Track: Thruxton Download here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg109873#post_thruxton)
Cars allowed: Alfa Romeo GTA, Mercedes 300SL, Mini Cooper 1310S Download here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg54518#post_Mini1310), Renault Alpine 110

Time of Day Setting: 14:00
Start: STANDING
Tyre wear: Normal
Fuel consumption: Normal

Server: UKGTL RDs
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Notes:
(1) It's best if all drivers can make sure they are connected before the Qualifying session as drivers on track during qualifying will not see cars that join after they are on track until they go back to the garage.
(2) Please make sure you are fully aware of the SimRacing.org.uk Rules.
(3) This race will be run using the UKGTL Skin Pack 1.8.0.0 (http://www.humyo.com/9240347/SimRacing.org.uk/UKGTL/Cars/SRou_UKGTL_Skins_1.8.0.0.exe) which will need to be installed prior to racing.
(4) Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R;group=253;theme=5)
(5) The AI control should be turned off so that you have control of the car at all times, including pitting. Your player file should therefore read
Autopit="0"
Force Autopit Off="1" // Forces autopit always off
No AI Control="1" // AI never has control over car

If you still finding pitting problematic, experience tells us that its less to do with positioning and more to do with approach speed. A slow approach to pit crew chief has proved most reliable.

Special Notes: None


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 10 Readers Drives - Thruxton - May 31
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on May 24, 2010, 10:41:27 PM +0100
If the server shows Andestorp, load it and use "Advance to next event". Then Thruxton will load.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 10 Readers Drives - Thruxton - May 31
Post by: pribeiro on May 25, 2010, 07:52:10 PM +0100
One of my favourite tracks.  :D


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 10 Readers Drives - Thruxton - May 31
Post by: goldtop on May 30, 2010, 11:10:24 PM +0100
A deceptively difficult track Thruxton.

Good lines are essential to good lap times and there is the added problem of bumps and undulations just where you really don't need them. The Alpine feels great around here and is a safe bet along with the Alfa. The Mini is like a fairground ride but is quicker for me - when I can keep it shiny side up - 1:30 best so far. Haven't tried the Merc yet.

All the ingredients for a cracking race I reckon and I hope we get the turnout it deserves.



Title: Re: UKGTL Season 10 Readers Drives - Thruxton - May 31
Post by: BillThomas on May 31, 2010, 09:21:23 AM +0100
A deceptively difficult track Thruxton.

Good lines are essential to good lap times and there is the added problem of bumps and undulations just where you really don't need them. The Alpine feels great around here and is a safe bet along with the Alfa. The Mini is like a fairground ride but is quicker for me - when I can keep it shiny side up - 1:30 best so far. Haven't tried the Merc yet.

All the ingredients for a cracking race I reckon and I hope we get the turnout it deserves.



I've tried the Alfa and Mini 1310S like you faster in the Mini - much more stable through those long right handers and braking for the Chicane.  However, on the 2nd lap the tyre temps start to rise and by lap 3 is red for left rear - front yellow.  Do you get the same and how long can you survive in the red, turns orange/yellow once you enter that left hander before the chicane - does go shades of red and how deep, it's about Ferrari Red on mine.  Is it my setup or those poor little wheels/tyres being hammered through those long right hand curves? 


Advice please.

Bill


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 10 Readers Drives - Thruxton - May 31
Post by: goldtop on May 31, 2010, 09:55:39 AM +0100
With higher than normal tyre pressures on the front (300+) the temps looked better. My rear tyres are red from lap 1 on most tracks but with all the work being done with the front wheels, I don't worry too much about them as long as they don't go pop on me. Again more pressure should help.

I haven't done long runs, but I wouldn't mind betting that front tyre wear on the Mini will be a factor later in the race.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 10 Readers Drives - Thruxton - May 31
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on May 31, 2010, 10:16:16 AM +0100
I did a test race last night and the Alpine is superb to run here as is the Alfa which sounds like it's screaming all the way round. These two are great opponents for each other. I could never master the Mini so I'll leave that to you experts. The Merc is like a heavy old whale around this track but it has a good power advantage.

I hope we get a good crowd tonight cos this track deserves it  8)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 10 Readers Drives - Thruxton - May 31
Post by: pribeiro on May 31, 2010, 10:46:47 AM +0100
Hard car choice, I like them all. Haven't try any tho.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 10 Readers Drives - Thruxton - May 31
Post by: BillThomas on May 31, 2010, 11:07:42 AM +0100
With higher than normal tyre pressures on the front (300+) the temps looked better. My rear tyres are red from lap 1 on most tracks but with all the work being done with the front wheels, I don't worry too much about them as long as they don't go pop on me. Again more pressure should help.

I haven't done long runs, but I wouldn't mind betting that front tyre wear on the Mini will be a factor later in the race.

Thanks for that will give it a go.  This is the first time with my limited experience of Xd I've seen tyre temps go beyond green, although I have seen the front brakes with only red remaining.  We raced the mini every fortnight in a NZ league season on Sunday mornings, about a year ago, including a 70 min end of season enduro - happy in my ignorance obviously.

Bill


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 10 Readers Drives - Thruxton - May 31
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on May 31, 2010, 11:15:46 AM +0100
There is one perfect line through Church where you can go flat out...............

Get it wrong though and your bouncing across the left hand grass which is thankfully wide enough to accommodate the errant driver


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 10 Readers Drives - Thruxton - May 31
Post by: Henry on May 31, 2010, 07:52:18 PM +0100
what is the different between your 1310S Mod 2.103 and the original 2.0?
only more skins?


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 10 Readers Drives - Thruxton - May 31
Post by: Geoffers on May 31, 2010, 09:03:38 PM +0100
Well, that was really disappointing, FF packed up on the first lap & it made an already quite twitchy Mini really hard to drive. When you have a wheel with no resistance it's hard to get the turn-in right & I got the second corner of the complex (Cobb) wrong, rolled the car & it killed the engine.

Oh well, congrats to the podium.  :clap: :clap: :clap:


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 10 Readers Drives - Thruxton - May 31
Post by: pribeiro on May 31, 2010, 09:16:53 PM +0100
Ridiculous my driving tonight.
I just spun and rolled over more times than in the last 5 years of SIM racing.  >:(
It was just me or the physics of the 1310 Mini aren't good? Ridiculous.
I bet that Tony and Bill were laughing (not on the floor, because they were still driving) near the floor for sure.  ;D
Quit with suspension and steering issues.
Really hope you all had fun.

Cheers


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 10 Readers Drives - Thruxton - May 31
Post by: ginsters sponsored on May 31, 2010, 09:58:59 PM +0100
Perhaps the 1310 needs stabilisers? :) PR's two wheeler through Church had me cracked up. Real shame as I enjoyed that.

Didn't quite have the pace of the FWD fellas in quali but delighted to keep up with Ade and keep him honest in race. Could only do that by pushing as hard as I could and paid the obvious price with 10 laps to go and think I completed the race on my rims.
 
Congrats Ade and Matt. Nice to cyu Steve :) A Monday night blast is a great way to get over the blues (hope I wasn't the only one at work today :-\).

Are all races gonna be that length? As I felt that was a little longer than needed.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 10 Readers Drives - Thruxton - May 31
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on May 31, 2010, 10:05:36 PM +0100
Are all races gonna be that length? As I felt that was a little longer than needed.

A variety of race lengths and styles in the Readers Drives league.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 10 Readers Drives - Thruxton - May 31
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on May 31, 2010, 10:11:24 PM +0100
Replay and results now posted


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 10 Readers Drives - Thruxton - May 31
Post by: phspok on May 31, 2010, 10:11:39 PM +0100
Well that was some most excellent fun. Chased and passed, then got passed - repeat for the whole race with Phil
He was much quicker in the 1st chicane I was quicker in the last one, though I have only one line through that last
chicane as it's a sort of semi controlled crash each time, which became an uncontrolled crash in the general direction of the kerbs as the fronts became weak.
Really sorry about the shunt Bill, I was trying to go up the inside, but the tyres were already in full slide, and I was
as Martin Brundle would say "a passenger". Was being distracted as well by the rate Goldtop was catching Phil and I
then Phil shot off the track with no front tyre, and I just managed to hold off the charging Tudor on the last lap.
How long was it? I ended the radce with just under half a tank as it claimed 22 laps for a full tank.
ANd I found the 1310 undrivable with a "normal" setup, the default one is drivable but doesn;t make sense.

EDIT: Ahh just read the heading, had not realised it was 65 mins, thought it was going on a bit.  :D


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 10 Readers Drives - Thruxton - May 31
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on May 31, 2010, 10:18:53 PM +0100
Nice season opener with a good mix on the grid. Special mention for Helle taking the sole Alfa.

My race was ruined by S&G's for cutting and pit lane speeding. Forgot that BA Cabin crew had agreed to do my pit stops for this event. Militant so & so's just stood there as I went back and forth, back and forth trying to get some peanuts and a hot towel.

Besides that I loved the speed of this circuit. Check out Pribeiro's unique line through Church, if you can. I think it involves a triple salco and full pike! (replay 1330)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 10 Readers Drives - Thruxton - May 31
Post by: goldtop on May 31, 2010, 11:09:14 PM +0100
Nice race to start the new season :) I usually jump at the chance to drive a Mini, but thought it a bit high risk around here. Was able to get some pracci in the Alpine and so wasn't too far off the pace, making it an easy choice. I got a little over eager in the first complex on lap 2 and spun it putting me back a few places, but enjoyed the drive back through the field. Was closing fast on Phil and Matt towards the end and nabbed 4th from Phil after a tangle at the last chicane, but couldn't quite make the pody.

Congrats to my teamies Ade and Ian and to Matt for third  8)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 10 Readers Drives - Thruxton - May 31
Post by: Steve Holmes on June 01, 2010, 10:51:16 AM +0100
I so want to enjoy Thruxton, what a great high speed blast it is, but the understeer I seem to get turning into those fast corners just murders my laptime (ignore the fastest lap, after all, I did a pitstop and had fresh tyres just after mid distance :P).  I end up making the car undriveable in the slow bits just to try and minimise the high speed understeer.  I must drive like a freak!  So I was a bit frustrated by endless understeer by the end.

And what's going on with the fuel usage at this track?  I automatically assumed a pitstop was needed (besides the car got awful to drive after 30 minutes) but from a full tank at the start I did 65 minutes and still had about 15 minutes of fuel left - something's not right there!  Especially when you are foot to the floor for almost the entire lap. Very odd, I normally thought about 60 minutes was the most a car would do.  Just a minor quirk though, no criticism of the track.  Grats to all the finishers, especially Ade and Ian who had fantastic pace and consistency.

Hope to make a few more races from now on, Monday nights are actually good for me, and some semblance of normality and reduced stress may return to my life - my missus has just gone through a stem cell transplant to try and treat her rare (and unresponsive to drugs) form of Crohns disease that has trashed her life, so I might actually be able to race without throwing my dummy out the pram or running out of concentration after 10 minutes.  :)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 10 Readers Drives - Thruxton - May 31
Post by: BillThomas on June 01, 2010, 11:35:29 AM +0100
Ridiculous my driving tonight.
I just spun and rolled over more times than in the last 5 years of SIM racing.  >:(
It was just me or the physics of the 1310 Mini aren't good? Ridiculous.
I bet that Tony and Bill were laughing (not on the floor, because they were still driving) near the floor for sure.  ;D
Quit with suspension and steering issues.
Really hope you all had fun.

Cheers

It was good fun, I had a race flip onto the car's roof there - too much kerb is deadly (I've rolled Minis before).  I thought you were training for Lawn Mower racing for a while - looked in mirror no PR only to see you reappear along side me only on the grass.   :devil:


Bill


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 10 Readers Drives - Thruxton - May 31
Post by: BillThomas on June 01, 2010, 12:03:53 PM +0100
As I had no one to race I was trying to keep out of everbodies way and not ruin anyones race, thanks phspok, I know what you mean, once you're set up for a corner any deviation can be disastrous.

Thanks for your advice gt.  I found if the tyres were too  hard the car was too skittish so I reduced the pressure by 10 lb/sq in steps until it was driveable.  I finished up a bit too loose for my liking but raceable, I had a few offs but no damage apart from the roof.  Tony, I was going to pit to be safe (checked out in practice, missed it first attempt) but like you, my man wouldn't put up the pit board/return me to garage so decided I'll drive till my tyres gave up.  In the event, they lasted OK, no problems with front LH (never left green, wear about 20) the rear cycled through the spectrum from green to yellow/orange reaching a light red once when I pushed to stay ahead of you when I saw you in the pits and expected one of your chases - bad luck.

Thanks Tony and the "Reader" for an enjoyable night's racing.

Bill


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 10 Readers Drives - Thruxton - May 31
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on June 01, 2010, 12:23:23 PM +0100
Steve, it will be ace to have you with us but jeez you have to get yerself hooked up with either XD or GTLPD (that 2nd one might be wrong letters).

I'm sure Ade can provide links to either. Both do the same thind eg cut out all the guess work about fuel usage tyre wear etc etc. XD shows up on your driving screen whilst I think a 2nd monitor is required for the other one.

Try to get it sorted before the next race cos after you've got it you'll wonder how you ever raced without it.

EDIT: This is where you get XD from. Simple to install and play with but do read the instructions  ;) http://www.vitumo.de/


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 10 Readers Drives - Thruxton - May 31
Post by: Henry on June 01, 2010, 01:53:10 PM +0100
after sears i thought i won't do a race with more pitstops ever. epic fail :devil:

  • unknown track
  • FWD car, which i didn't use for months
  • no setup or setup experience
  • joining the server <20min before the race
thats the base for a winner ;D

set the car up like in PnG - epic fail ;D
now it behaved like a RWD with cripple anti roll bars and brake bias. so i got a lot of SnG and few visits from fences.
needed two pitstop until i found the right pit place.

grats all in front of me ;D

edit: uhh, Tony in new team ;)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 10 Readers Drives - Thruxton - May 31
Post by: pribeiro on June 01, 2010, 02:40:25 PM +0100


edit: uhh, Tony in new team ;)

 :o


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 10 Readers Drives - Thruxton - May 31
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on June 01, 2010, 03:23:18 PM +0100
Yes, now I'm a great Bustard


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 10 Readers Drives - Thruxton - May 31
Post by: Steve Holmes on June 01, 2010, 04:36:09 PM +0100
Steve, it will be ace to have you with us but jeez you have to get yerself hooked up with either XD or GTLPD (that 2nd one might be wrong letters).

Hehe, you're so right Tony.  After my most recent PC reinstall I have forgotten to put the XD ini back in, my bad.  Never really used it that much, I'm a fly by the seat of the pants kind of guy, setups and data don't do it for me, but yes, the fuel counter is quite useful......

Having said Mondays are good I realise I can't make the next 2.....boo.