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Title: UKGTL Season 10 Readers Drives - Donington Park (National) - Oct 25
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on May 07, 2010, 01:21:32 PM +0100
In case you have been away from GTL, there have been GTL lobby problems. But.... it's all fixed now!

This is what you do to connect to the server:

1) Download & run this HOSTS HACK (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg54518#post_hostshack)
2) Start GTL & select to the lobby
3) Register a new lobby account (I suggest the same name but with a blank email & password)
4) Log in with your new account & you should see a list of servers

:euro:

If this fix has not worked for you, then please check out this thread for more info/questions: https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=6869.msg119486#msg119486

But most importantly, do not suffer in silence (also, don't leave it till the Monday night ;)).
_________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

"A special event designed by Bill Thomas. As Bill told me "I've always fancied racing the original BMW M3 (a properly designed racing saloon from scratch) at Donington. Saw them in their opening season's European Touring Car Championship Race there. To see a gaggle of them drifting through Craner Curves on the opening lap was terrific and will not be forgotten."

All members welcome.

Grid/server capacity: 28

Practice: ~19:20 (60 mins)
Qualifying: 20:20 (20 mins)
Race: 20:40 (56 laps = ~70mins)

Track: Donington Park (National)
Cars allowed: BMW 320i Download this (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg54518#post_bmw320ie21g5)

Time of Day Setting: 14:00
Start: STANDING
Tyre wear: 2x
Fuel consumption: 2x

Server: UKGTL RDs
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Notes:
(1) It's best if all drivers can make sure they are connected before the Qualifying session as drivers on track during qualifying will not see cars that join after they are on track until they go back to the garage.
(2) Please make sure you are fully aware of the SimRacing.org.uk Rules.
(3) Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R;group=253;theme=5)
(4) The AI control should be turned off so that you have control of the car at all times, including pitting. Your player file should therefore read
Autopit="0"
Force Autopit Off="1" // Forces autopit always off
No AI Control="1" // AI never has control over car

If you still finding pitting problematic, experience tells us that its less to do with positioning and more to do with approach speed. A slow approach to pit crew chief has proved most reliable.

Special Notes: None


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 10 Readers Drives - Donington Park (National) - Oct 25
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on October 24, 2010, 06:46:39 PM +0100
I've set the time of day back to 14:00 as I was getting a bad graphics experience with Donington using the previous time setting of 16:00. Going back to 14:00 seems to fix it.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 10 Readers Drives - Donington Park (National) - Oct 25
Post by: Legzy on October 24, 2010, 10:19:05 PM +0100
1:18's any good?

I'm sure I've tried this car before, but couldn't find the installer... once downloaded & installed, it seems quite a nice/challenging car.
But it almost feels like there is a layer of dampness on the track :-\, maybe they just had no grip! :laugh:

Anyway, we're all in the same car & I think it's a good match up. So well done Bill & the 70's/80's ;)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 10 Readers Drives - Donington Park (National) - Oct 25
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on October 24, 2010, 11:28:08 PM +0100
These cars are great to drive but they love to spin at the slow turns. The back has a tendency to break lose. Check out this previous post from Geoffers https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=7814.msg141318#msg141318



Title: Re: UKGTL Season 10 Readers Drives - Donington Park (National) - Oct 25
Post by: Navin R Johnson on October 25, 2010, 04:55:14 AM +0100
almost feels like there is a layer of dampness on the track :-\

That's probably the best explanation you could say about the 320.. It's only or mostly at the slow speeds like people have talked about. Car is real stable in the fast stuff but when the going gets slow the back end feels very slick or damp ;) I tried many solutions trying to fix it but the fact is the car will always be lively in the slow stuff :o


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 10 Readers Drives - Donington Park (National) - Oct 25
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on October 25, 2010, 07:06:42 PM +0100
Having some trouble keeping the Donny track on the server, keep getting lost connection with host messages. I'll put up the Donny GP track as well and see if that fixes it


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 10 Readers Drives - Donington Park (National) - Oct 25
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on October 25, 2010, 07:17:58 PM +0100
Well so far the GP track seems more stable so we may be racing on that circuit instead. Sorry for the change but not much more I can do at such short notice.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 10 Readers Drives - Donington Park (National) - Oct 25
Post by: Sqter on October 25, 2010, 07:48:55 PM +0100
np Tony, but how many laps ?


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 10 Readers Drives - Donington Park (National) - Oct 25
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on October 25, 2010, 07:53:02 PM +0100
Same laps


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 10 Readers Drives - Donington Park (National) - Oct 25
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on October 25, 2010, 07:59:01 PM +0100
Now running National track to see if it stays on server


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 10 Readers Drives - Donington Park (National) - Oct 25
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on October 25, 2010, 08:10:18 PM +0100
So far so good


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 10 Readers Drives - Donington Park (National) - Oct 25
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on October 25, 2010, 09:18:40 PM +0100
Shame about the small field tonight, could have done with a few more spinners lol. I gave up about half way when my tap against a barrier caused my fragile front bumper to drop of. Then tried to pit but pit crew ignored me. Decided then it really wasn't worth the effort so quit. Hope you keep going Bill and thanks for the fine racing Demartini whilst it lasted.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 10 Readers Drives - Donington Park (National) - Oct 25
Post by: Legzy on October 25, 2010, 10:07:24 PM +0100
Was decent race, just lacked a few more drivers for the race experience.

Managed to steal a position off Phil with a couple of laps to go, having had a good last 10-15laps chase with Navin. Phil had stopped for a splash & dash (as did most), while I'd elected to just do the one pit stop & finished with 1.3L left ;D.

Shame that one of the drivers felt the need to flash away at me, from the moment he got within 100meters... Please check the rules here again about lapping & being lapped & then think about the fact that you finished on the same lap as me. I was kind enough to make it an easy pass for you tonight. Flash me like that again & I very much doubt I shall be so accommodating next time. :)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 10 Readers Drives - Donington Park (National) - Oct 25
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on October 25, 2010, 10:10:15 PM +0100
Please pm me the name of this gentleman and I will have a word


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 10 Readers Drives - Donington Park (National) - Oct 25
Post by: pribeiro on October 25, 2010, 10:13:10 PM +0100
Would you know, after all, I enjoyed the 320 (but not close to CSL, ofcourse  :laugh: )
Starting from 5th, I was happy, Sqter spun at 1st corner right in my path, nowhere to go I braked hard to avoid any heavy damage, I guess I did, but both lost a few places.
Each lap I was gainning confidence on the 320 and a few positions too.
Just before pit in, I made a mistake at the chicane and hit the barrier, losing the front splitter.
It wasn't easy driving this car at Donington without front splitter...  ;D
Went to pits and just add fuel, didn't change tires and didn't repaired the car, well, I took the risk.
Had drive many laps in the lead due my strategy, but Pelle with his fresh tires overtook me near the end.
4 laps to finish, Pelle and I went to a splash & dash stop and at the very last lap Sqter did the same.
Nice race with a very consistent driving from Pelle and Sqter.
Well done all, not the easiest car to drive.  :)

Cheers


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 10 Readers Drives - Donington Park (National) - Oct 25
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on October 25, 2010, 10:15:54 PM +0100
Replay and results now posted


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 10 Readers Drives - Donington Park (National) - Oct 25
Post by: Navin R Johnson on October 26, 2010, 02:59:49 AM +0100
Always enjoy this track and although I had a pretty pour performance of my own I still had fun with you fellas :) Too many mistakes and not near quick enough :-\ But did have some fun battling a bit with Phil ;). Congrats to Pelle for a great 1st place. Solid stuff Paulo for 2nd and who seems to be tough in any Bimmer :) Also, a pretty awesome performance of Sqter to get back to 3rd after handicapping himself in turn one ;) Cheers and thank you Tony for all your work 8)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 10 Readers Drives - Donington Park (National) - Oct 25
Post by: De Martini on October 26, 2010, 10:49:51 AM +0100
Grats to Pelle, Paulo and Sqter!

Did a few changes on the setup before the start, which allowed me to last 20 laps on the track  ;D
Was a great pleasure to join the spin party, at first I enjoyed a lot, had a nice set of laps fighting with Tony and Bill, but i soon felt tired of trying to constantly control the back at the slow corners. Anyway, the reason why I retired was because pressed ESC by mistake when I was about to hit the barrier. Was a knee-jerk reaction :no:, I always like to finish every race despite being the last of the bunch.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 10 Readers Drives - Donington Park (National) - Oct 25
Post by: BillThomas on October 26, 2010, 11:34:45 AM +0100
Shame about the small field tonight, could have done with a few more spinners lol. I gave up about half way when my tap against a barrier caused my fragile front bumper to drop of. Then tried to pit but pit crew ignored me. Decided then it really wasn't worth the effort so quit. Hope you keep going Bill and thanks for the fine racing Demartini whilst it lasted.

I also had pit crew trouble earlier in an offline race - after much shuffling found they wanted me stopped neatly in the yellow box.  Had no problems in the race, only screwed up the exit of Craner Curves on the opening lap.  Turned in too late and missed the apex causing me to run wide onto the grass on the right.  Having done this many times I found the quickest way back was to go through the gravel trap on the exit of the Old Hairpin - wrong, picked the wrong spot and flew into it and again out of it.  Found I'd damaged something in the process when I couldn't stop at the chicane hitting the tyre wall.  Thought if I did a couple of laps before I pitted I'd avoid a possible splash and dash at the end - wrong again, spent too much time running off.  Pitted, just topped up fuel and did repair - lost 2 or 3 laps in the process.

As  Demartini reported I had an interesting few laps working hard trying to avoid being lapped by him and Tony.  Tony passed me then went onto the grass allowing me by again.  I pulled away from him over a few laps, then he seemed to get it all together and quickly caught and passed me.  When I pitted I only filled up with fuel and finished 5 laps down.

I amused my self by racing as hard as possible as soon as I saw a car in my mirror until he caught me then I moved over.  During the race I set my fastest lap at about lap 40 (for me) - PR your reactions at the chicane amazed me, particularly after you moaned about the 320 in practice - I could have sworn you would have hit the tyre wall at the chicane but the car flicked one way then the other and was through it cleanly and away.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 10 Readers Drives - Donington Park (National) - Oct 25
Post by: pribeiro on October 26, 2010, 11:59:57 AM +0100
  PR your reactions at the chicane amazed me, particularly after you moaned about the 320 in practice - I could have sworn you would have hit the tyre wall at the chicane but the car flicked one way then the other and was through it cleanly and away.

I took a risk setup for the race. A very stiff front and very soft rear with a high front brake pressure and a high front roll bar, it was nice over the corners, even the slow ones.
Btw, Bill was, again, very gentleman every time he was lapped, keeping his line but making the pass easy. Top driving!


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 10 Readers Drives - Donington Park (National) - Oct 25
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on October 26, 2010, 12:40:34 PM +0100
Just a follow on from what Bill said; when your an old slow coach it is simply awe inspiring to watch the faster guys go by and take chicanes, corners etc at speeds that look quite insane.




Title: Re: UKGTL Season 10 Readers Drives - Donington Park (National) - Oct 25
Post by: Pelle_B on October 26, 2010, 10:34:02 PM +0100
Shame that one of the drivers felt the need to flash away at me, from the moment he got within 100meters... Please check the rules here again about lapping & being lapped & then think about the fact that you finished on the same lap as me. I was kind enough to make it an easy pass for you tonight. Flash me like that again & I very much doubt I shall be so accommodating next time. :)
Maybe you should have read this rule 'Lapping And Being Lapped' but nice you almost can 'Use Of Lights' rule which occupies over half of your report  ::)
All should see the replay from 2550 to 2590 where it could easily have ended in a crash  :o
Here is the rule if anyone is in doubt:
Quote
•When racing at night, or during the dawn and dusk periods, or in the rain, drivers shall turn on their headlights.
•Drivers may flash their headlights (either on-off during the day or off-on during the night) to warn a driver who they are about to lap or unlap of their presence. However, a driver being flashed shall not be obligated to let them pass.
•A driver who is being lapped can flash their lights to indicate to the lapping driver that they are aware of their presence and are allowing them past.
•Drivers may also flash their lights to say "thank you" or "sorry" to another driver.

Edit I discover lap times, best lap Legzy: 1:16.267...& my: 1:14.561 (Times are taken from the server replay)
Please, tell a good reason not to give room & let me pass  ???
...but regardless, I owe you a big Thank You, your position in front of Phil cause I do not lead with 5, but 7 points over Phil  ;D








Title: Re: UKGTL Season 10 Readers Drives - Donington Park (National) - Oct 25
Post by: Legzy on October 26, 2010, 11:43:45 PM +0100
Here is the rule if anyone is in doubt:
Quote
•Drivers may flash their headlights (either on-off during the day or off-on during the night) to warn a driver who they are about to lap or unlap of their presence. However, a driver being flashed shall not be obligated to let them pass.
That's correct, a flash of your headlights to warn of your presence, on-off.
That does no permit you to on-off, on-off, on-off, on-off, on-off, on-off, on-off, on-off.
I was also well aware of you gradually catching me & certainly well before your 1st flash.

All should see the replay from 2550 to 2590 where it could easily have ended in a crash  :o
I just downloaded & watched the time period you highlighted (from 2550 to 2590).

Over the 40 second period, I counted you flashed 8 times, despite not getting within 3-4 car lengths behind me at any point, as I took my normal lines through the corners (as the rules instruct me to do).
What were you wanting me to do? ???

Two corners after that time period you highlighted, you got a much better corner entry then me, were finally in striking distance & I flashed you by & stayed off full throttle to allow you past safely.


Edit I discover lap times, best lap Legzy: 1:16.267...& my: 1:14.561
Please, tell a good reason not to give room & let me pass  ???
What on earth has that got to do with anything? ???
When your car was at it's peak moment compared to when mine was at it's peak, during a 56 lap race, your single fastest lap was 1.4% quicker than mine.... if only I'd known, have rolled out the red carpet for you. ::)


Pelle, please try to understand, nobody has the right to expect others to just get out of their way & repeated flashing is frowned upon here. It's not only all written in the rules, it's just not in the spirit of things. If you have an issue with that, take it up with the GTL director Tony. Having read his thoughts on the matter in previous PnG races, I'm left in no doubt about his feelings on the subject.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 10 Readers Drives - Donington Park (National) - Oct 25
Post by: Legzy on October 26, 2010, 11:48:07 PM +0100
...but regardless, I owe you a big Thank You, your position in front of Phil cause I do not lead with 5, but 7 points over Phil  ;D
No problem. As soon as everyone had done their 1st stops, I knew I was the only person doing a one stop strategy & knew I could pick up a few places come the end of the race. Navin managed to leave the pits just ahead of me, but luckily for me Phil was not so fortunate ;D


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 10 Readers Drives - Donington Park (National) - Oct 25
Post by: Phil Gilliland on October 27, 2010, 12:22:30 AM +0100
...but regardless, I owe you a big Thank You, your position in front of Phil cause I do not lead with 5, but 7 points over Phil  ;D

Don't thank him, thank that bloody pit crew of mine!  :taz:

Well done Legzy, you got me fair and square on strategy.  :thumbup2:


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 10 Readers Drives - Donington Park (National) - Oct 25
Post by: Pelle_B on October 27, 2010, 08:09:26 AM +0100
If you have an issue with that, take it up with the GTL director Tony. Having read his thoughts on the matter in previous PnG races, I'm left in no doubt about his feelings on the subject.
Could never happen, I have long since become too old to gossip about others  8)
If you could take focus away from yourself & try to see things from more than one site you might understand my reaction. This was not a battle for position, but lapping. I ran this race to win & before I came up to you, I was in crash with another driver who was out with a lap. I wanted to be sure you knew I came, but I had no feeling of you had seen me. When the pulse is at its peak & you run every lap on the border of what is possible, you probably would 'have done exactly the same  ;)

@Phil: I wish better luck next race...& let's get a good battle for the fourth place  :D






Title: Re: UKGTL Season 10 Readers Drives - Donington Park (National) - Oct 25
Post by: phspok on October 27, 2010, 11:30:41 AM +0100
Missed this one as I'm banished to London for the week. Shame, Donny National is one of my fave tracks.
Should be there next week. After all the front end damage I'm not surprised that people wanted to show off
that their Front lights were fully functional  :whistling:


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 10 Readers Drives - Donington Park (National) - Oct 25
Post by: Legzy on October 27, 2010, 11:04:10 PM +0100
If you could take focus away from yourself & try to see things from more than one site you might understand my reaction.
Can I ask that you follow your own advise, you then might understand.

This was not a battle for position, but lapping.
Wrong. This was 50% into an endurance race & I recently completed my only pit-stop & was ready to go to the end. You had another stop to do & while there was no question you were ahead at that point, no final positions are decided with 50% race distance to go anything could happen & you still to pit.
Regardless of those facts I state, I did not hold you up as if I was racing you in any way. I stuck to my normal racing line, exactly as I am instructed to do in the SROUK rules. I also made it an easy pass for you once you were close enough to actually pass me, again following SROUK guidelines on driver etiquette. No blocking, no holding tight defencive lines took place.

When the pulse is at its peak & you run every lap on the border of what is possible, you probably would 'have done exactly the same  ;)
I'm sure you'd like to think so, but no I would not approach a driver flashing away as if to insist they let me past immediately. However, when I have made errors in judgement while on track (everybody does), the key is to be big/polite enough to acknowledge your mistake afterwards.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 10 Readers Drives - Donington Park (National) - Oct 25
Post by: Pelle_B on October 28, 2010, 09:12:56 AM +0100
This was not a battle for position, but lapping.
Wrong. This was 50% into an endurance race & I recently completed my only pit-stop & was ready to go to the end. You had another stop to do & while there was no question you were ahead at that point, no final positions are decided with 50% race distance to go anything could happen & you still to pit.
Regardless of those facts I state, I did not hold you up as if I was racing you in any way. I stuck to my normal racing line, exactly as I am instructed to do in the SROUK rules. I also made it an easy pass for you once you were close enough to actually pass me, again following SROUK guidelines on driver etiquette. No blocking, no holding tight defencive lines took place.
This is unbelievable, but that no one should doubt...look at the pictures:
http://www.gt-legends.eu/UKGTL/Report/RDseries/DoningtonN/Pics/DoningLegzy_P6.jpg (http://www.gt-legends.eu/UKGTL/Report/RDseries/DoningtonN/Pics/DoningLegzy_P6.jpg)
http://www.gt-legends.eu/UKGTL/Report/RDseries/DoningtonN/Pics/DoningPB_P2.jpg (http://www.gt-legends.eu/UKGTL/Report/RDseries/DoningtonN/Pics/DoningPB_P2.jpg)
Later in the turn to the right when you are losing it & it could have ended in a crash, you start to run drag race down towards the next turn.

... & here is some for you all: Donington Result http://www.gt-legends.eu/UKGTL/Report/RDseries/DoningtonN/index.html (http://www.gt-legends.eu/UKGTL/Report/RDseries/DoningtonN/index.html)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 10 Readers Drives - Donington Park (National) - Oct 25
Post by: Legzy on October 28, 2010, 01:11:49 PM +0100
Despite the old saying "a picture paints a thousand words", I've no idea what information you're trying to portray with those two pictures. Frankly, I give up. You're just not listening & until you can do that, you won't understand.

I'm not going to waste any more time on this.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 10 Readers Drives - Donington Park (National) - Oct 25
Post by: Pelle_B on October 30, 2010, 10:04:35 PM +0100
Despite the old saying "a picture paints a thousand words", I've no idea what information you're trying to portray with those two pictures. Frankly, I give up. You're just not listening & until you can do that, you won't understand.
Yes I understand, your post gives very clear expression of 'Lapping and Being lapped' does not apply to you because everyone should know which stratigi you run.  ::)