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Title: UKPnG Season 3 - Pre-season - Mosport - May 20
Post by: Mike Miller on May 14, 2010, 01:09:13 PM +0100
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All members welcome

Practice 1: 19:20 (60 mins)
Qual 2: 20:20 (12 mins)
Race: 20:32 (60 Minutes)

Cars allowed: Refer to this  spreadsheet (http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AgyClStz4uopdE43MkNGdmd0ME9ocnJ4YktNZVlkUHc&hl=en). Your car choice is limited to your average finish position (trimean).

Drivers with an average finish of 1 - 5.99 are restricted to cars in the Yellow group.
Drivers with an average finish of 6 - 14.99 are restricted to cars in the Yellow and Orange groups.
Drivers with an average finish of 15+ may drive any car from any group.
First time drivers are restricted to cars in the Yellow group.

Yellow (average finish 1+)
  • Chevrolet Corvette L76 Roadster
  • Chevrolet Corvette Z06 Coupe (excluding white #5)
  • Ford Falcon Weslake
  • Ford Mustang Trans-Am

Orange (average finish 6+)
  • Ford Falcon Mann
  • Ferrari 275 GTB/C (excluding Speciale)
  • Shelby GT350R SCCA
  • Chevrolet Corvette Z06 Coupe (white #5)

Green (average finish 15+)
  • Shelby Cobra 289 Roadster
  • Jaguar E-Type Lightweight (all)
  • Shelby GT350R CASC
  • Ford Mustang AATC Gr5 #01

Note: For the pre-season testing only, I've made some adjustements to a handful of drivers (moving them up) in order to get the largest sample size possible in each group during the off-season testing. We will all start in the Yellow Group the 1st event of the championship season and then your average finish will determine your group going forward. Use the spreadsheet for this pre-season test event.

Track: Mosport 1977 (download from HERE (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3356.msg54521#post_mosport77))
Time of Day Setting: 13:00
Weather: Dry
Start: Standing

Tyre wear: 1X
Fuel consumption: 2X
Pit-stops: At least 1 stop is required taking on at least 1 litre of fuel and/or changing 2 tires. You cannot take a mandatory stop at the end of the pace lap, or with less than 1 lap to go.

Server: UKPnG2.1 S2 Classic
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Notes:
(1) It's best if all drivers can make sure they are connected before the Qualifying session as drivers on track during qualifying will not see cars that join after they are on track until they go back to the garage.
(2) Please make sure you are fully aware of the SimRacing.org.uk Rules (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?pid=7) especially the rules about in-game chat messages.
(3) You will need to install Power and Glory v2 from here (http://www.gtlw.co.uk/), 2.1 patch from here (http://www.gtlw.co.uk/) and enable terrain patch.
(4) Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=227)
(5) Drivers are reminded that they must select ISDN as their bandwidth, otherwise the stability of every-one's connection will be reduced.
(6) P&G has no 'Pit Speed Limiter' function. You may go as fast as you like in the pits, but please exercise caution. Penalties will be handed out for causing contact in the pit lane. Use your best judgement when making your pitstop during the race.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 2 Classic Cup - Mosport - May 20
Post by: Mike Miller on May 14, 2010, 01:15:41 PM +0100
Continuing our handicapping test this week is a selection of GT vehicles at Mosport. Both speed and agility will be needed here to navigate the swooping high speed turns and that long, long uphill straight. I really wish I could join you guys for this one, but I will be on holiday the next 2 weeks. I will review the replay to get a sense of the parity and action on track when I return.

GoldTop will be in charge of the action. Please show up in a car assigned to you based on your color group outlined in the spreadsheet above. We will continue our test using the same groupings based on last season's standings. During the championship season, your finishing order from the prior races will determine your grouping.

Enjoy the race guys.

PS. Practice those pit stops!


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 3 - Pre-season - Mosport - May 20
Post by: Sandor M on May 14, 2010, 07:58:12 PM +0100
I'm gonna be in Greece for 2 weeks so have to skip this one.

Have fun with it while I get a nice tanned skin  8)


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 3 - Pre-season - Mosport - May 20
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on May 15, 2010, 04:09:06 PM +0100
Mike, in the yellow cars you need to lose the "Falcon" in Ford Falcon Mustang Trans-Am.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 3 - Pre-season - Mosport - May 20
Post by: Mike Miller on May 16, 2010, 10:12:44 AM +0100
Thanks for the heads up Tony


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 3 - Pre-season - Mosport - May 20
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on May 16, 2010, 10:54:15 AM +0100
Nice track BTW, didn't realise Canadians had a decent race track  :o

I think I was on holiday last time P&G visited this place but I remember the comments were all pretty positive.

I hope to make this one as there's no race on Friday for me this week.

EDIT: Keep getting that pesky Invalid Login/Password message. Can someone remind me what the drill is?


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 3 - Pre-season - Mosport - May 20
Post by: Hotkeys on May 16, 2010, 09:54:28 PM +0100
You need to change your registration name as you log on. I'm at Hotkeys13 now 

BTW MIke : When you write tyrewear X1 I take it you mean tyrewear X2 right ?  ( there is no option called X1 )


Stig / Hotkeys


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 3 - Pre-season - Mosport - May 20
Post by: Clive Loynes on May 16, 2010, 10:19:16 PM +0100
You need to change your registration name as you log on. I'm at Hotkeys13 now 

BTW MIke : When you write tyrewear X1 I take it you mean tyrewear X2 right ?  ( there is no option called X1 )


Stig / Hotkeys

I think that it means Tyre Wear "Normal"


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 3 - Pre-season - Mosport - May 20
Post by: goldtop on May 16, 2010, 10:57:19 PM +0100
You need to change your registration name as you log on. I'm at Hotkeys13 now  

BTW MIke : When you write tyrewear X1 I take it you mean tyrewear X2 right ?  ( there is no option called X1 )


Stig / Hotkeys

I think that it means Tyre Wear "Normal"


I hope it means tyre wear normal 'cause that's what I've been setting the server to  ;)


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 3 - Pre-season - Mosport - May 20
Post by: Mike Miller on May 17, 2010, 12:34:08 AM +0100
Yes. 1X tire is "normal" tire wear. 2X fuel is 2 times normal fuel usage. I set things up this way so a bit of strategy can come into play.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 3 - Pre-season - Mosport - May 20
Post by: Hotkeys on May 17, 2010, 05:33:15 AM +0100
That was a releif .... I peel off rubber fast enough as it is   ;D

Stig / Hotkeys


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 3 - Pre-season - Mosport - May 20
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on May 17, 2010, 08:52:55 AM +0100
You need to change your registration name as you log on. I'm at Hotkeys13 now 

Stig / Hotkeys

REALLY  ???


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 3 - Pre-season - Mosport - May 20
Post by: goldtop on May 17, 2010, 09:25:54 AM +0100
That was a releif .... I peel off rubber fast enough as it is   ;D

Stig / Hotkeys

Hope we're still talking about tyres here :scared:


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 3 - Pre-season - Mosport - May 20
Post by: Hotkeys on May 17, 2010, 10:56:23 AM +0100


Hope we're still talking about tyres here :scared:
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I guess it wouldn't make much difference as to the ambiguity, if I were to write burn instead of peel ?

Keep in mind, that english is not my first language  ;D

Stig / Hotkeys


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 3 - Pre-season - Mosport - May 20
Post by: goldtop on May 17, 2010, 04:08:42 PM +0100
Ups Mike !

Something is wrong I believe, the server is running 67_ Mosport and not the the announced and linked 1977 Mosport, which btw is a far better version IMO

So, which track is it going to be Mike ?

Stig / Hotkeys



Not sure what you mean Stig. The server is running Mosport 77 and it appears as that in the lobby. I just checked and the loading page also says Mosport 77.  ???


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 3 - Pre-season - Mosport - May 20
Post by: Hotkeys on May 17, 2010, 04:31:00 PM +0100
My mistake Goldtop......... Damned, I had the wrong version of the track   ..... argh... how come you prefer the 77 Mosport  to the Mosport 67 Mike ?

The 67 looks soooooo much better IMO -- the colours, the details, everything.

Well, never mind - the 77 seems a bit faster. Got me a 1.36.600 in the Shelby 289 after a few laps.

Stig / Hotkeys



Title: Re: UKPnG Season 3 - Pre-season - Mosport - May 20
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on May 17, 2010, 08:01:21 PM +0100
YAY, managed to join the server for some praccy...phew.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 3 - Pre-season - Mosport - May 20
Post by: Manteos on May 19, 2010, 12:06:25 AM +0100
I've just done a training session with the "Yellow" cars, and I've to say they are pretty well balanced in this track. Good Job! I report to you some laptimes done all with full tank in practice 1 session:

L76 Roadster: 1.37.875
Trans-Am: 1.37.757
Ford Falcon Weslake: 1.37.795
Corvette Z06: 1.38.557... With the N°5 Z06: 1.37.356... I don't know if it fit better the first or second group of cars... probably is in a "middle" class between the 2 groups.
However is a test, and probably the strongest drivers like Mike and Ian can surely keep the pace of the others even with the other Z06 except the N°5... Let's see what's going on for Thursday... Cu soon guys :)



Title: Re: UKPnG Season 3 - Pre-season - Mosport - May 20
Post by: Hotkeys on May 19, 2010, 06:18:57 PM +0100
Woohaa ...... gettin' to like this Jimmy Hendrix car ( i.e. wild thing ). It's fun to drive, once you get to know it.

Just did some more laps in my Alfa-red Shelby 289 , and got me a 1,35,900 hotlap. I get splittimes that indicates a posible low 35 for me. I wonder what the aces could manage in this car, a 33.xx lap ?


Stig / Hotkeys


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 3 - Pre-season - Mosport - May 20
Post by: pribeiro on May 19, 2010, 06:47:26 PM +0100
  1,35,900 hotlap. I get splittimes that indicates a posible low 35 for me. 

Stig / Hotkeys

 :alien: :whistling:


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 3 - Pre-season - Mosport - May 20
Post by: Mark J on May 20, 2010, 07:42:52 AM +0100
I finally got some praccy in late last night but i couldnt even get near my own pb's in certain cars  :(
Languishing in the 38's so far in the shelby 350scca, which felt like an un-wielding barge.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 3 - Pre-season - Mosport - May 20
Post by: phspok on May 20, 2010, 09:05:40 AM +0100
got down to 37.0 in the 275, tried the others and prefer the 275 here.
As I am using Greater Manchester Public Transport this week I get home a bit late so lack of
practice means I will be in the 275 for the race.  :)


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 3 - Pre-season - Mosport - May 20
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on May 20, 2010, 12:41:02 PM +0100
I'll be taking the 275 too if I can get online. But as I'm nowhere as quick as my esteemed colleague  :stupid: I'll have to devise a cunning stategy


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 3 - Pre-season - Mosport - May 20
Post by: Mark J on May 20, 2010, 09:17:13 PM +0100
B'ah my pre pit stop lap curse continues !  ::)  Running 6th, right behind Goldtop in 5th and applying pressure, came out of the sweeping turn 1 and my left rear must have just grabbed a bit of outside kerb and it instantly spun me inward across the track and into the wall  :o ...car barrel rolled and came down with suspension damage  :'(

Had the car running reasonably well thanks to some setup help from Ade and looked like i was on for a top 6 finish, barring pit stop shenanigans.

Shame to see a low ish turnout and again several people having contact or retiring on laps 1 or 2 of an hour race  ??? Use a bit of patience people, you havent got to steam past them so early !!

I'm not so sure making these races an hour long is a great idea for a midweek night. Dont know about others but it makes it hard to commit to weekly when youve been at work all day then tell the missus your disapearing for most of the evening, plus its not always an appealing car/track combo for that length of time, which could be stomached a bit easier for a 40-45min race. I think a vote would be good on race length but if everyone else is happy with an hour then i'll tow the line.  :-\
Just my two cents.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 3 - Pre-season - Mosport - May 20
Post by: pribeiro on May 20, 2010, 09:50:03 PM +0100
Apologies to Bonnie, saw a spare bit of tarmac, went there, but the car just ran into the grass and there, it was dificult to hold it. Intirely my fault. Race was a totally crap for me. One to forget.

API, I hope your car didn't get a damage on our contact.

Congrats to podium and top 7.

Cheers


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 3 - Pre-season - Mosport - May 20
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on May 20, 2010, 10:13:49 PM +0100
I was very slow here and couldn't find a fix so settled down to being last. Made a mess of my pit stop and couldn't even keep up with a crippled Pribeiro. Eventually all skill ran out and I slid across the grass on one of the two downhill left turns and hit a barrier/tyre wall end thing which totalled the car.

Nice track but thought the rails/tyres had odd placed ends that would always badly damage the cars if you hit one.
If there's another version of this track that has more sensibly placed trackside furniture maybe we should give that one ago.



Title: Re: UKPnG Season 3 - Pre-season - Mosport - May 20
Post by: goldtop on May 20, 2010, 10:29:25 PM +0100
Results & Replay in the usual places


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 3 - Pre-season - Mosport - May 20
Post by: API on May 20, 2010, 10:36:22 PM +0100
API, I hope your car didn't get a damage on our contact.
It didn't so no probs. :)

Race itself was pretty boring to me. I set new PB in qualifying and gained the 2nd place in the grid. However, Ade overtook me just after a few laps. My pit stop wasn't too good as I forgot to hit the "Pit Request" button. ::) So when I came to pits, there was nobody and I lost about 5 secs because of that. :-\

Shame that the grid was so small. :(


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 3 - Pre-season - Mosport - May 20
Post by: goldtop on May 20, 2010, 10:57:30 PM +0100
Another tough race. Was going ok in 4th with a long strategy, but coming under pressure from Riccardo. Skewed it at the double right hander and was collected by Riccardo causing suspension damage - my fault of course buddy and hope it wasn't the cause of your long pit stop.

I pitted with about 12 mins to go, only for my dozey pit crew to hen it up again. I had to go out and re-pit, thankfully they got it right this time. I went onto softer tyres which caught me out twice on my outlap with resulting spins :wetfish:

Was running very low on fuel so opted to let Ade and Manteos past by slowing and pulling off track - don't think I'd have made it home otherwise.

Congrats to Ade on the win; bad luck to Manteos with his fuel crisis and well done to API for completing the pody. Well done also to Stig for a solid 4th and good to see Tony with us.

Hope to see a few more of us for Doni in a couple of weeks.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 3 - Pre-season - Mosport - May 20
Post by: Mike Miller on May 21, 2010, 03:01:31 AM +0100
I haven't had an opportunity to see the replay, nor will I be able to till I return from holiday, but glancing at the best lap times, it is clear to me the handicapping is producing close lap times. Manteos through Lentolo all lapped within .1 seconds of each other. The final race results show things spread out a bit though. Could that be down to varying pit performance?

It's nice to see a number of VDA drivers joining the fray. I'm sure turnout numbers are a bit off due to the fact that it is pre-season testing.

With regard to the race length, I am certainly open to making adjustments, but past experience proves to me that 60 minutes works best to balance pit strategy (do I take tires or not?). Compared to previous seasons, only an additional 12 minutes for quali is the added commitment.

I'm posting next week's sprint race now.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 3 - Pre-season - Mosport - May 20
Post by: pribeiro on May 21, 2010, 09:06:04 AM +0100
  ... past experience proves to me that 60 minutes works best to balance pit strategy (do I take tires or not?). Compared to previous seasons, only an additional 12 minutes for quali is the added commitment.

 

Agreed.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 3 - Pre-season - Mosport - May 20
Post by: Geoffers on May 21, 2010, 11:33:36 AM +0100
Shame that the grid was so small. :(

Sorry I didn't make it  :(. I was late joining (about 8.20) only to discover I had the wrong version of the track! Then my download speed was running at snail pace & I couldn't get the correct version downloaded in time for the start  ::).

Will be there next week.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 3 - Pre-season - Mosport - May 20
Post by: phspok on May 21, 2010, 12:36:37 PM +0100
I was "spread out" because I kept falling off  :'( My pace was close to the leaders, except Ade who was
on a roll. I fell off then followed a group, they fell off, I passed and immediately fell off at the next corner...

Like the 60mins, don't like 20 min sprint races, there is no recovery time for mortals like me to get back into
the fray If I make a mistake.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 3 - Pre-season - Mosport - May 20
Post by: Manteos on May 21, 2010, 12:53:18 PM +0100
What a race...

Unbelievable pole position for me at the last useful lap, due to some great setup modifes of the last second, thanks to Lentolo that is surely a better "engineer" than me!
On wednesday we had a lot of practice with Bonni & ade, and I was pretty sure that the car balancing could have work so fine! I made even a pit stop try, to see how much time you save whitout tyre changings... Perspective was of a really interesting race!
A great start let me stay in front at the first corner, and from here it's started a great war of nerves agains ade, that was always half a second behind me aver all the first 18th lap... in which I've done my first little mistake letting ade pass 2 laps before his pit stop.
The big size of L76 tank, let me stay on track other 3-4 laps after ade's pit, just in time to realize his pit crew has done a great work, and the only way to pass him was without changing my tyres, even if my xd motec in that moment suggested me otherwisely...
Luckily I managed a good pit stop, that in only 37 seconds refilled me of 90 litres, because In some mine strange calculations we should have done 36 laps, and before pitting I decided to save other 2 seconds changing my refueling by the xd motec, filling 90 litres instead of 95... so wrong move........
After my pit I saw unexpectedly that Goldtop was the leader, and stupidly I decided to push even with my worned tyres, instead of waiting his pit and keep a decent pace, to lose 1-1.5 second per lap against ade, that was 18 second back after my pit, but with new tyres and a devil inside :devil: :devil: :devil:
After Goldtop pit I was a little more quite, and I kept my pace on a high 37, but ade was coming back as a fury, and I knew that we would have to fight at least for a lap or 2, as it happened... After 2 laps of strong defence ade tried to attack me outside at the last sequence of 3 corners, I asked to my tyres the last effort, but my engine started to sob, and at the last corner I was out of fuel, reaching the finish line only downshifting to neutral meanwhile I noticed ade's evil grin looking to his face trough the window  ;D ;D ;D
Thank you for this race ade,  is always a pleasure fight with you, and I hope in a return match soon (possibly with a different final ;))
Hope to see more people for the next one, I missed so much the comparison with some of you fast guys, it would be a cracking race with 3-4 people fighting for the lead in the last laps!
However seems this format has produced a close race, and it works pretty fine till now... let's see for the next, even if the next thursday VDA gents will probably have to jump the test, cause of our last champ race :(

Cu soon guys :)






Title: Re: UKPnG Season 3 - Pre-season - Mosport - May 20
Post by: Mark J on May 21, 2010, 06:12:09 PM +0100
sorry Mike, saw your post about the sprints later. I thought your plan was to run a 1hr race every week, hence me saying it would be hard to attend all the time. But if its broken up with some sprint rounds then great  :)