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Race 1
Practice: 19:20 (60 mins)
Qual: 20:20 (10 mins)
Race 1: 20:30 (20 Minutes)

Race 2
Practice: none
Qual: 20:50 (10 mins)
Race 2: 21:00 (20 Minutes)

Cars allowed: Ferrari 250 GT SWB Berlinetta

Track: Zandvoort GP (download from HERE (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3356.msg54521#post_zandvoort))
Time of Day Setting: 13:00
Weather: Dry
Start: Standing

Tyre wear: 1X
Fuel consumption: 1X
Pit-stops: None required

Server: UKPnG2.1 S2 Classic
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

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This is race 1 of two 20 minute sprints. I want to try 2 sprints because most of the race action takes place within the 1st 10 laps of a race. These high action sprints should make a nice compliment to the 60 minute strategy races. Please stick around for both events. You won't want to miss the action from the race 2. Get a 2nd chance to beat your rivals and improve upon the 1st race. If you crash out early, continue on or escape to watch other battles on track until the 2nd event starts. I'm sure all of us can learn from watching the in-car and TV action. Race 2 quali session will take place immediately following race 1.

Mike, congratulations. I think this is new, refreshing and innovative and I hope it's as good as it sounds.

However if I could contribute one tiny suggestion. Could each race feature two cars then we could have swopsies?

Awesome track for classics racing  8)

Yes did also think it would be nice for the Fezza to have another make to battle against if there is a fairly evenly matched car...4 spd E-type?  :-\ Not that i'd be too unhappy racing the snazzy 250  :)

Good call Mark but in terms of performance wouldn't the 5 speed be a closer match?

Where is that?  :P

On the server, both the Berlinetta and the competizione versions are available.

Only the Berlinetta will be allowed, am I right ?

Stig / Hotkeys

Thanks for the kudo's guys. Only the Berlinetta will be available for both races. I thought of adding the Jag or even a Mustang to the mix, but the Berlinetta usually doesn't get much love so I figured we should give it some attention.

On the shore of the North Sea in the Netherlands. http://www.trackpedia.com/wiki/Zandvoort_(Netherlands)

Lol I know Zandvoort, just not Zandvroot ;)

All the e-types are too good for the berlinetta, in fact the slowest e-types are on a similar pace to the 250 competizione.

I've combined the details for both races in this 1 topic and have removed the 2nd race topic. Notice the start time for both races are posted here. The start time for the 2nd race is approximate. Effectively, quali for race 2 will begin as soon as the server automatically moves from race 1 to race 2.

If all goes well, the results from both races should appear in this one topic. Thanks for your help Dave!

Hi all guys!

For all UK P&G & Nordschleife lovers, give a look to this topic please https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=7917.0 (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=7917.0) :)

I hope you'll organize a team for this event. Cu soon :)

Team???

You think you will find more than one!?

I've done a bit of practice but haven't a clue what my pace should be.

So where does 2:10.1xx put me in the grand scheme of things?

5 secs quicker than me which kinda puts me off bothering with this one.

Don't see why Tony.  Mike, Ian and the crew will be five seconds in front of me but it still might give me Paulo, Geoffers and Matt to race with, unless they go alien on me too.

Will try to do some practice on the server tonight.

The server seems to have vanished again.   :helpsmilie:

'cause we're racing  ;)

It'll be up and running anytime now :)

Server started  ;)

Probably I'll join this event!!! I've some trouble connecting to the server of our champ, and I think if I don't solve this issue soon I'll be happy to take my faithful 250 Berlinetta! 2 days ago I managed a 2.08.7 and I like Zandvoort so much!
Hope to see you on thursday :)

P.S. Nordschleife event date is switched to 30 June, and I would be glad, as I said before, to have a UK P&G team in this event even if I know you've got a busy calendar here. I wait some of your brave guys in the "green hell", or at least I hope so :)
Bye!

Argh.... 2.08 !! huuu scary  :o I'm only at 2.11.200  :'(

Any tips as to the setup for this great car you would care to share Manteos ?


Stig / Hotkeys

I've no troubles to pass my setup Hotkeys, but I'm even sure that it won't be so useful... I'm not a great car engineer... However you can try to see what happens :)

Setup link: http://www.humyo.com/9469759/Ferrari%20250%20Berlinetta.svm?a=WKQZL-ZnOYU (http://www.humyo.com/9469759/Ferrari%20250%20Berlinetta.svm?a=WKQZL-ZnOYU)
Cu :)

Clive, I was curious by what you said and managed time to do a few laps and I guess you are right,
I did 1:09.5xx, so lets have fun while the aliens are at the front having no fun at all.  ;D

Thank you for the setup Manteos, much appreciated  :thumbup1:

Tried it and discovered what I already suspected.......   my lack off talent puts me in the backend off the grid, not my setup  ;D
Mixed your setup with my own and got down to 2.10.500  ;D

What tickles me is the fact that both you and Clive use the 8/34 final ratio for this track. That seems odd to me ...... have you tried the 7/32 final ratio ?

l get almost the same topspeed and a better overall speed on the long straight. 


Stig / Hotkeys

I can't remember why but I think that my choice of ratio might have been more about getting 2nd and 3rd to somewhere useful, rather than the speed on the straight.

Can't say that I like the Berlinetta much.  It bites!

Difficult car to set up and not really sure how to make it go quick. I'll be on the server later this evening for some much needed practice.  :)

Not even turned a wheel here yet, or even driven the Ferrari, so I might be well off the pace.

Probably I have to try even with a 7/32 final ratio, but during the rest of the track the 8/32 seemed so good to me.
250 GTB it's a difficult car to handle and you have to drive it patiently when you get into the corner because of its understeer, than you have to make it turn out of the corners pushing with caution because of its power oversteer. In Zandvoort to make a good lap you need to drive "clean" without forcing the brakings especially with this car... Suspention pack and differential gear is so important aswell, but the first thing is to be concentrated on the right lines. If I'll find something better in my setup I'll let you know something about :)
Cu

Like Manteos said, clean and smooth pays huge dividends at Zandvoort.

Manteos, thanks for providing a setup for us window lickers. I'll be trying it tonight to see if I can get anywhere near the times being stated.

How does one become a "licker of windows"? Stamps yes, other things perhaps, but windows?????? :o
Manged 2:08.9 so far, 9's are doable, Can fry bacon and eggs on the left rear mind

Great laptime !


If you set the rear left tyrepreasure at 300 kPa, I think you'll be able to keep the temp at a reasonable level, and it doesn't affect the handling much IMO.

Did a 2.09.100 myself but most likeky, that's my limit

Stig / Hotkeys

Tried Manteos setup tonight and my time improved by 3 secs. Then went back to my own setup and did the same times Uh?

Anyway I'm finding the whole thing a joyless experience so I'll leave this one to the P&G purists. Have fun.

Can see why the Berlinetta doesn't get much mileage. Pretty uninspiring to drive, but at least it does sound good at full throttle. Down to mid 2:09s which I'm hoping will give me a few folk to race with.

Looks like I'll be running near the back if I make this one then, as I can't help drifting the 250 on every opportunity  ;D

Sorry Hotkeys but my setup had some bag... Yesterday, after chatting with ade and Ian, I inflated my tyres too, as they suggested me... 280 kpa is the limit I need to let the left tyres remaining on a reasonable temperature and go as fast as possible without caring about the temp... Another thing you can try is to soften the front springs to have a bit more grip, and maybe you can even pull down a bit the Caster value (I put it at 5.0).
As Tony said unfortunately even with the best setup ever, I never managed to improve my time more than 6/7 tenth of second, and with that car is too difficult to understand how it need to be driven, and the spread between drivers increases a bit if you haven't much time to train aswell :(
I hope to see you all at the race tonight, Zandvoort is a challenging track, and races will be funny! At least I hope so!
Cu later :)

wish i hadnt turned up. Had no chance for any laps whatsoever this week. Thought i at least knew the track only to find it was the more modern zaandvoort which ive only ever raced on once before back in early days of GTL. Know the 67 circuit well, not this one.

Can usually find some pace after a few laps but here i was just spinning every other corner so quit as had no chance. Shame as those cars and these sweeping curves would be great fun with some praccy.

Hope you all had a decent one, im off to sunny climes for a week and then onto Spa in my 911..huzzah! 8)

Good fun that ;D game crashed in race 2 though :( but still had some slippy slidey fun 8)

                                                 Cheers all, see you next time

Enjoy your hols MJ :)

Luckily, I had time for some pracci last night and I needed it as that combo was tricky to pick up for me. Under pressure in first race and happy to bring it home with no real incidents.

To be honest, I was too hot to try quali for R2 so thx for ade and Matteo for joining me. Good fun coming back through the field and was pleased as punch with my clean pass on Geoffers until........2 corners later :laugh: No worries mate, you must brake ruddy late there ;D Good fun and thx all.

For me, the two sprint races in a night offer nothing over a one race sprint. Anyways, I look forward to taking part in either :)

I crashed in both races  ::). Not had time for much practice so was a bit rusty.

Sorry to Ian for clouting you in race 2  :(

I'll try to get a bit more praccy in for next week.

It was good fun but I don't think that I will be able to do this format of races unless I can leave between races and do a quick defrag, regclean, sweep the chimney and vacuum next door's cat.

I have always had to use Ade's Gamebooster to defrag the PnG folder before an on-line race and I don't think that it is coincidence that the blasted thing fell over in the second race.

Shame too, as I was in 3rd at about half distance, thanks to the great and the good starting from the back of the grid.

Nice little battle with Clive and Matt in Race 1 and Terry in Race 2. Pleased that I was able to keep the wayward fezza pointing in the general intended direction, but not a car that I would normally choose to drive; a bit of a comedy car imho.

I don't like the 2 race format. Race 2 just didn't have the buzz, especially using the same car. A longer single sprint, say 40 mins like the GTR2 sprints would be a better option imho.

Congrats to both podies and well done to those who started Race 2 at the back to spice things up. Bad luck to those discoers.

Good bit o' fun. Was ok doing  two for me, but seemed a bit awkward.
I mosty dropped out of the 2nd race when we did Rallye oval thing.
This was better than that, but prefer the "normal" format.

Maybe the practise session between races 1 and 2 could be lengthened to provide a "comfort break" for drivers and then employ a random grid for the 2nd race, so no need for a second qually, plus it mixes things up a bit.

Sort of what Ian was trying to achieve, but then some quick people went and qualied, and I watched myself
sliding towards the back! so went and did a couple of qualy laps.
Tudor suggested start order being reverse of 1st race finish order, isn't that like what they do in some real racing
series? Could be fun, but how could it be done?

Everybody in the lobby, Admin post the name of the driver in order to join the server and noone do a full lap of qualification.

A sprint for 40 minutes  ???   nah,,,,, that's not a sprint IMO.

I for one like the this format, especially if the grid gets reversed for the second race. I do believe though, that the smaller cars are better fitted for this type of race

Stig / Hotkeys

The reverse grid sounds like fun. For me, that race has to be longer than 20 mins or I would predict an incident fest as faster gents would have to push very hard to get through in that space of time. Perhaps one race of 40 mins based on the dataset produced by Mike, in reverse, would be fun? 

Great to see a good turnout and also great to see some of the faster guys trying to run through the field in race 2. When I orginally thought of dual sprints I really wanted to do a reverse grid, but GTR2 doesn't have the capacity to do so. Race 07 has the dual race with reverse grid built in and rFactor gives the administrator the ability to manually edit the grid order. I'm not aware of a function like that in GTR2.

When Tony did the Mustang, Challenger, Cuda series for GTL with the random grid, I greatly enjoyed trying to come from behind to get a good finish when starting from the back, but unfortunately, I felt a bit hurried to get to the front when someone like Ade was gridded at the front. I then was too forceful and probably didn't make too many friends along the way. Ian's idea is fantastic. Reverse the starting order based on average finish position and give the guys from behind sufficient time to try to make it through. Do you guys think this could work?

I'm thinking the quali session could go as such
1. I anounce drivers names in reverse of average finish position
2. As I type your name, line up at the entrance of turn 1
3. After the driver is announced, I'll instruct the 1st car on track to lead the group towards the start/finish
4. Before crossing start/finish, I'll ask everyone to close up and engage pit speed limiter. (i'm not sure if this works as I'm still not at home to test) If this does not work, then lead driver can drive at a fixed pace with the rest of the field in toe.
5. Every 10 seconds, the 1st driver in line can accelerate to a quicker fixed pace to cross the line.

It's not perfect, but it might work. With 40 minutes, it would give us a chance to mix up the field and still allow enough time to make sensible passes.
Do you guys want to give it a try?

Hi guys! Good race 1, but with a noob mistake when it least 1 lap to go, ade-Paulo taking advantage of this, stealed my pody!
In 2nd race, it was good to start from the back with Ian & ade, and I had a great fun coming back by the last position. Unluckily in lap 1 hotkeys lost the control of his car, and I couldn't avoid the impact with him... my suspention was broken, but the car was driveable yet.
The rest of the race was a sequence of good overtakes, maybe a bit rude than my standards, but surely fair move.

Regarding the 2 sprint format, I agree that 20 mins gives few chance to coming back without risking a bit... I think that the right lenght for a sprint race is at least 25-30 mins, that give you more time to be a little more quite when overtaking. The reverse grid for the race 2 it's a good idea. In the SuperSprint champ I race in Italy, we used to do 2 Sprint races of 35 mins, with the reverse order of the first eight Classified of race 1, and it add some fun for the fatest people in race 2. To make the reverse grid there's a simple way, it's enough to download the "GTR2 Server Manager", and use it to edit the grid during the qualifying sessions. You have 2 commands to edit the grid position: Move & Swap and it's quite simple to use it. If you want more infos i can provide it for you. Let me know :)
Cu guys!

Mike, no pit limiter feature in PnG (except on a couple of tracks I believe).

I would be very interested in trying a reverse grid 30 min event. Like you said, most the action happens in the 1st 20 mins, the extra time will just help the fast guys work through the pack better.

I will download and test the GTR2 Server Manager when I return from holiday June 3rd. I like this idea. It sounds very similar to what is available for rFactor. Thanks for the tip Manteos.

Think someone might have suggested reverse grid after Race 1, but it wasn't me. I was keen to follow the planned format and discuss after the event. I thought one of the ideas of a single spec race was to give the faster drivers a break from the constrictions of the handicap events and allow them to battle it out up front. Sometimes simple is best ;)

I'm with Tudor. One race, normal 40 mins but grid reversed on basis of Mike's info sounds good to me. If you do two short sprints with grid reversed for second there is always a possibility that some fast gent get discoed/crash out in R1 and then R2 is a bit of shambles.

As you know the make up of grid, you could simply ask people to join server in right order, via a private chat room/ts, and provided no one goes on track before race your grid should be sorted.

Lost G25 controls in the first race, never had this before. :(
These cars feel like iCars after contact with the armco. :D