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We're off to Canada for the sixth race of the season. In the Works Al H leads over Evil and Tim M, meanwhile in Privates Vos leads Mike T and Bernie.

Race List = IGOR
Server = UKGPL_T7_2
IP address = 62.149.202.168
Race date = 06-06-2010
Time = 21:00 UK time
Track = Mosport 67
Variant = 67F1
Damage Model = PRO
Qualifying time = 35 minutes. Don't start until 30 mins left on clock to allow everyone to join.
Race length = 50 minutes (laps 36)

Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R;group=248;theme=6)
The track can be downloaded from : original papy track
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With the token system chassis strategy will be a factor. A driver must have sufficient tokens for the chassis he drives in the race.  Any driver who does not have sufficient tokens will be disqualified from the result and his tokens will be set to zero.

Chassis costs;
Lotus 20 / Eagle 17 / Ferrari 15 / Brabham 10 / Cooper 5 / Honda 3 / BRM 0

To see your current tokens hover your mouse over your total points on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=248&theme=6). Ten tokens will be added when you cross the start line.

The Championship is split into two sub-divisions, namely Works and Privateers. The driver split will be;

WORKS drivers

Phil T	Evil	John R
Tim FMG	Steve Bird	Jethro
Al H	Bartosz (Pod)	King Hero
Rick	Baab	Hristo (R)
Sam B (R)	Fulvio P (R)	Ruud Savelkoul (R)
Dwarf Car Driver (R)	Doni Yourth (R)

PRIVATEERS drivers

Bernie	Burtoner	Mike Turner
Vosblod	Bookie W (R)	Billy
Fabio (Il Lupo)	Rafael Mestdag	Graham (R)
Pete Maestro (R)	Nigel Smith (R)	D Rock (R)
Hannah (R)	Ronnie Peterson (R)	Maddog

67 Patch: The 1.3 Release of the 67mod can be used.

NOTE: In the event of more then 19 entrants a second grid will be run for the Privateers on ukgpl.5. (ping myjamesonline.net) Instructions will be provided in the chatroom – please ensure you join the correct server, due to the way we import if you start the race on the wrong server your result will not count. If you can try to make sure you are in the chatroom by 8.50pm this will enable a decision without any delays to the start time.

The track was designed and built in the late 1950s, and held its first major race in 1961, the Player's 200, a sports car race bringing drivers from the world over to rural Ontario. Stirling Moss won the event in a Lotus 19. The proposed hairpin was expanded into two discrete corners, to be of greater challenge to the drivers and more interesting for the spectators, at his suggestion, and is named Moss Corner in his honour. This is a source of lingering confusion as many people call the track Mossport. It has had a succession of owners since the original public company created to build the track. Mosport achieved acclaim though a series of international sports car races under the title "Canadian Grand Prix" normally reserved for Formula 1 races. F1's Grand Prix of Canada remained at the track until 1977.
Unlike many historic motorsport venues, Mosport's track layout has remained mostly unchanged from its original form.

Am gearing up for this one.  P115 should fill the bill.

80-20 that I'll be in attendance.

Will be good to see ya Doni. Hopefully can race without too many incidents!

frustrating qually with multiple disco's (lost count at 6 ) couldnt get even one clean lap in , either blue flagged or reear ended or disco'd

didn't expect to last more than a lap or two before the next dreaded disco which sure enough happened on lap 7 ? just as i had let the leaders through for the first time , so saved me even more embarrasment .

Glad I took the BRM at least no points wasted .

Am useless at this track anyway so no tears shed either  :'( :'( :'(

 

These D1 races are turning into a complete joke and I thought we've seen the worst at Monaco, but I was wrong. This one was much worse - people going so much slower than others, sometimes 50 km/h slower, even on the straights, weaving insecurely, still learning the cars and the track, making mistakes all the time, going into a panic every time a car shows up in their mirros, etc.

I have nothing against anyone, but some people shouldn't be allowed to race in D1.

Apart from problems with backmarkers, I had a few offs on my own, most notably two spins on the exit of the hairpin. The car handling was a bit odd, probably tires overheating and I had way too much fuel filled in. Otherwise, good to be back with a win, but was lucky not to hand it out to Tim who was quite fast and consistent behind, but also seemed chased by troubles.

Sorry I missed this one especially as it's my 'home track'.  Wasn't feeling that perky this aft.

Hmmm...  Then again, considering Bernie's and H's notes above, maybe it was just as well to give it a miss!

Comfortable 2nd and cruising. Wham bham 85 to 110mph into a corner doesn't go, especially when I thought I was following Steve. (FMG 121/Al H 115/Pod 118/Phil T 115).
By the time I realised it wasn't the Birdman and hit the brakes it was all over...

H has a point and I agree with it

Understood but we don't have enough numbers for 2 grids.  Some of the "slower" drivers have contributed to the cost of the server so surely they have a right to use it and shouldn't be excluded on grounds of ability alone.  This is the only 67 division we run; how can the newbies gain the experience they need if they don't have a division to race in?

I had quite a decent race for a change and found myself lapping a few back markers.  I didn't have a problem it just required a bit of patience to wait for a safe place to pass.  In my experience the backmarkers were diligent in trying to keep out of the way and it didn't affect my battle with Al and Pod (which I eventually lost but not through the fault of any back markers).

Phil, what is the real benefit of having bigger grids when you have such a mix of driving abilities? You don't get closer racing, it's the opposite. You have half the field pull away at the start, essentially halving the drivers numbers that actually race each other. And then the worse things happen when you start catching people who are so inexperienced and slow that both their and the leaders race is getting severely compromised. I really don't see any benefits from that.

I would rather race 5 people who are on similar pace as mine than 15 people where you have 5 drivers still learning the track, panic when they see a car in their mirrors, unable to do 2 consecutive laps without going off and so on. Isn't it the reason we have 2 separate grids so you can accommodate driving skill separation rather than just fill-in the numbers? Nobody gains anything from that...

So far, that was mine best race this season.

Because of a traffic, I was struggling in qual. Everytime when I was on a fast lap I was catching slower driver.

Race started ok, but at L1 Moss Evil spun and I had to brake. Because of that Phil passed me.

I was chasing Phil for many laps, I was fasthen than him in twisty parts, but on straights his lotus was to fast for me.

On lap 15 Phil run wide on Mos and I was able to pass him. I've quickly couch wit Al, but again I wasn't able to pass him. I was fasther in most places, but Al's exit out of Moss was better than mine.

I was following Al hoping that he'll make small mistake, but problem with him is that he doesn't do mistakes to offten. Two laps to go, while lapping Billy, Al lost his speed at straight. I've decided to try pass Him, but I've tired to do this in wrong place, and soon I was on grass. Luckily I haven't lost control over my car, and in few corners I was again on Al's tail.

Maybe I didn't get result I was hoping for, but I'm finally happy with my performance.

Thanks for racing, and cya in Le Mans.

I had a few technical problems at the start of qualifying which took about 20 minutes and a reboot to sort out. The race was quite eventful for the first laps with a few spinners to negotiate and an unexpected encounter with GP as I came over the crest at the end of the long straight. I think Graham must have slowed to let SB through and regretfully the ensuing collision put an end to his race. My own race ended a few laps later following an encounter with the armco and the loss of a wheel. Not a good day for the Soggies ::)

Interesting race. Started well & ended reasonably well ~ the bit in the middle was rather messy. Qualified with a PB. Green flag went down & due to some computer  glitch I couldn’t engage a gear until the whole filed had shot off & left me. Took a couple of bumps & nudges in traffic early on ~ nothing serious. Spent the majority of the race watching Prib & trying to make sure that I was being lapped painlessly for me & the following cars. Never really got near my qualifying pace in the race. Along the way there were quite a few casualties which ultimately gifted me 2nd place in the Privateers race.
Main issue here seems to be about running mixed grids. I can see pros and cons but probably best to pick that up on the Mid Season review thread.

Was relieved to finish on the podium after holding 3rd for most of the race but only just managed it... my teammate Bartosz said before the race that me & him would be close & he was right - over 20 laps nose to tail - that was a really tough battle especially as neither of us made any mistakes.

I struggled to find a clear lap in qually so didn't get too close to my PB but I guess it was the same for everyone. Held 5th off the line, which became 4th after Evil spun at Moss. After that I had big pressure from Phil so needed to get past Ronnie who had done a great qually effort as top privateer but looked to be struggling a little on cold tyres. When Ronnie ran wide on the exit of T2, I accelerated alongside but I don't think he realised I was there & he turned in onto me. I hugged the inside line & even moved onto the grass a bit to avoid him but unfortunately there was some contact which threw Ronnie off. It was a big shame as being in different divisions we weren't really racing though I was relieved to see that Ronnie managed to recover & win the Privateers battle so well done to him.

After that I was in third but under constant pressure - first from Phil & then Bartosz. Anytime I managed to extend a gap, I'd catch up with a backmarker & lose any advantage I'd gained trying to find a safe way past. I was also being very watchful & lifting for yellow flags which lost me a bit of time but also proved very fortunate as I slowed right down after seeing flags being waved on the blind uphill approach towards Moss & crested the hill to find a car sideways across the track!

Congrats to H & Tim & also to Bart for a hard but fair fight.

Although I can see Hristo's point and found myself delayed by a second or so on a couple of occasions, we do have the problem of insufficient numbers to run 2 grids ( plus the donations issue).
My problems for this race were all self inflicted on Lap 1, when I put a wheel on the dusty bit at the hairpin after gaining a position off the grid and moving up to 3rd.
The spin/slide left me across the exit line from the hairpin and blocking Ronnie's Fezza ( sry Ronnie :-\), but his solid smack on my nose sent me back onto the grass where I had to wait for the whole field to pass before rejoining in last place. Fortunately the whale seemed undamaged.
The rest of the race was a chase back up through the field and it seems I had similar probs to Hristo, keeping the rear tyres cool was the biggest problem. I slowly made my way up to about 8th and then had a long gap up to Phil and Rick. The gap was closing slowly and if things continued I could foresee an exciting last few laps  ;) rick appeared to have a small off and suddenly he was within reach and I began to hunt him down. Backmarkers caused the gap to close and widen at times, but no complaints about guys yielding as soon as they could. The two of us were slowly closing the gap to Phil as well
But Phil decided that we needed more excitement before the end of the race and took a detour that put all 3 of us within  a second or so. I was onto Phil's tailpipes but the acceleration of that Lotus out of the hairpin gave him enough breathing space to stay ahead. I could close up on the last few turns onto the S/F straight and look for an opening but it took a couple of laps before Phil cracked an drifted wide at T1 ? ( it was getting a bit hectic at that point!! lol). Rick had eased away and now i had to chase after him.
The gap dropped suddenly and I could see Rick negotiating a backmarker, I pushed hard to exploit the situation , but as I approached the car to be lapped at the end of the straight it began warping VERY badly.
So badly in fact, that when I thought that it had pulled to the left to allow me through it suddenly bounced back within millimeters of my nose. I jumped on the brakes dropped a gear and swung the waza sideways to avoid contact. I avoided a rear end but at the cost of a spin..I knew that Phil in his pesky Lotus would be along within a second or so and I was sideways on the track!! So I floored the gas and left some nice black marks on the road..but that totally screwed my tyre temps and just as I got going Phil loomed in my mirrors!!

The last 3 or 4 laps were a nightmare, with the pressure from Phil and his Lotus and tyres that needed some breathing space to cool down ( which they were not going to get!! :-[ ). It was  a desperate drive to the finish until Phil went off at T2 on the last lap. Have not seen replay so I hope it was nothing I did Phil?.


Grats to all the guys up front and Hristo, SHE will be glad you are back. ;D

I knocked 2 seconds off my pb  ;D (I did cheat slightly though as my old pb was in a Wazaboat  :ninja: )

Qualified well, thought for a breif few minutes that I may even be close to Hristo's pace - then he must have got a clean lap in as I suddenly found myself a second down again  ::)

Start went well despite my forgetting it was a 67 car and simply flooring it at the drop of the flag - amazed the fezza didn't implode to be perfectly honest!  :angel:

Kept more or less with H for the first 4 laps or so as both of our tyres warmed up, then I noticed my engine temps - not having a clue as to what is safe in the Fez I decided that a safe 2nd was better than an early bath so started short shifting.
From then on my only company was in the form of back markers who mostly held their lines and made passing easy - Billy gave me a good scare at one point when he clipped the kurb in turn 9 and span right in front of me! I took to the questionable safety of the grass on the outside  and couldn't avoid lightly bumping the fence. Thankfully nothing was bent so was able to rejoin and get back up to pace within a few corners.
Aside from that my only real scares came in the form of my own pc doing 2 bouts of the as-yet undiagnosed stuttering around the 10 to go point.
Still no idea what caused it but hammering on the keyboard and clicking every button on my mouse seemed to help get rid of it - still lucky it happened where it did or the resultant spin would have been far worse  :-\

Well done to H and Al for solid drives, and also to all finishers  :)

Shocking race for me.  I had some setup issues which me left me changing to an unfamiler setup just before the race.

Had a couple of incidents early on.  L1 I tagged Rick at the hairpin, which I think he managed to control and got away ok, I was also hit myslef and it spun me around but jut a racing incident so no big issue with it.  Also had a small coming together with Ronnie (I think) when he partially lost control at the top of the hill into the hairpin and I made a meal of a recovery to the track which held me up again! About half a million errors later I got home a lap down in 9th!

Never mind! Live and learn.

I agree two sides to this one both with valid points.
Anyway something to be looked at prior to next season but I am keen to encourage as many as possible to participate hence the creation of Works and Privateers.
Whatever we decide (big grids with everyone v small grids with similar ability), I think the criteria needs to be start in the Novices unless/until you can get round in the 67's safely regardless of your speed. That's not to say you have to be perfect and never make mistakes, if it was I wouldn't be participating  ;)

Finally had a decent race in the Works division after some DNFs and no-shows.  Didn't qualy as well as I should have but same for everyone... blah blah.  Had a good start and was in the parade leading into Moss.  Lost one spot to Vos in the scrum there but he graciously let me pass shortly thereafter.  Actually let me by twice after I botched the right after the back straight.  Was then in P6 trailing the threesome of Al, Pod and Phil at about 8 seconds.  Closed it to 4 sec when Phil had an off.  Rest of the race was me and Phil trading offs and positions.  I think the score was 3 to 2 in my favor and so I ended up ahead in P5 with about 5 to go.  Finished the race in P5.  Happy enough just to see the checkers.

I agree the split divisions are a problem.  I was irate after Monaco.  In this race most of my passes of back markers or privateers were OK although a couple could have ended badly.  But I'm on the side of finding a way to not combine the grids.  I also can see that some of the privateers are at or not too far from works caliber and have a lot of experience.  If we draw the line properly maybe only a small handful of 67 newbies would be left behind and the works ranks will not be too small to have some exciting and competitive races.  Those newbies could then hone their 67 skills off line.  After all the shortcoming is, in my estimation, mostly one of car control and confidence.  On line racing experience by these drivers could be gained at the same time by racing the small but matched competition remaining in the privateers or a 65 division.

Just my 2 cents.. or should that be 2 pence?

The 65 cars are not a good training ground for 67's IMO .

65's are very easily controllable plus the 65 collision model allows much closer racing than with the 67's

It is the responsibilty of those doing the overtaking to decide where and when a clean pass can be made . The person being lapped should keep to the normal racing line and apply the brakes as normalfor a corner .

Can help by lifting off on the next straight

Any sudden moves , early braking , swerving to the side to "help" the following car can only confuse those trying to overtake , cos they cant read YOUR thoughts and they aint PHSYCIC ( that includes me)  ::)

 

Two grids, one grid, I don't care as long as I get to race 67 cars. Any suggestion that people should stick to 65 cars or worse still be banished to offline racing sound a little elitist to me.

Hopefully there are enough for two grids in the future but when it is one grid surely the Works drivers don't expect people to just pull over for them do they?? We are meant to be racing after all. Stellar drive by Hristo by the way, was that Honda turbo charged!!

On the subject of that coming together Al. Its was the last place I expected you to make a pass. I saw you come along side but by then I was commited to my line, sorry. Neither of us meant to make contact, I'm sure. Sorry if I prevented a higher finish for you. Honest, I was gonna let you thru on the back straight that lap as you were clearly faster and I was only going to hold us both up with you behind me.

Yes I'm sorry about that too Ronnie - hopefully you agree that it was a racing incident. It was almost a carbon-copy of an incident I had at a pre-season fun race at Zandvoort but that time I was in your position so I understand both viewpoints now :P. As I say, I was pleased that you were able to continue & grab a well-deserved Privateers win as you were right on the pace. I got off scot-free with no damage & no delay so it didn't have any effect on my race. :angel:

I do wish GPL had more peripheral vision though as in real-life racing you'd have spotted me coming up the inside. I wouldn't normally have tried it there but I'd been looking for a way past for a few laps & was under increasing pressure from the guys closing up behind. Then you went very wide on the exit of T2 so that gave me the chance to pull alongside into a nice big gap but unfortunately that disappeared when you turned in. Obviously I didn't know you were planning to let me through later but Ronnie there's no rule that says you have to let any Works guys past... as you say we are racing ;).

You can always increase the Field of View (FoV) above the default 78 and get to see more on the sides of your cockpit, but I find it hardly drivable.

Hmmm thanks, I didn't realise you could do that - might have to have a look. As you say though, might be difficult to adapt to it after so long using the default setting.

Get the utility, GPLShift.  It gives you 45° & 122° Look Left/Right views on a G25.  It's saved my bacon any number of times.

Elitist?  Really?  The suggestion to gain online skill in an easier chassis or junior division while you hone your 67 skills practicing off line can hardly be called banishment.  What's wrong with gaining a minimum 67 skill level before jumping into competition with upper level and mid level veterans?  I spent over a year of intense off line practice before I ever thought of joining a league, or even knew there were leagues.

Elitist?... I'm trying to think of a label for the other side of this coin.  What's the opposite of courteous?


Your skill level is quite high (obviously deserving of a works ride, IMO) and trying to get around you can be great fun... for a while.  But if you're preventing a driver in the other "race" from gaining on the the guy he is actually in competition with then the answer seems obvious.

I could tell you , but it would be discourteous of me to say  ;)

It's exactly the opposite that I'm asking for, I want to see drivers keep their regular pace, not panic when there's a car in their mirrors or around them, not brake suddenly and move to the side abruptly and unexpectedly, not throw themselves off into the gravel/grass to make way, not cruise on straights to let someone by, etc. etc. etc.

Apart from that, I would like to see some threshold for speed difference. I'm sorry, but you can't have people who are 10 seconds off the pace and going 50 km/h slower in corners than others race together. It just doesn't work and it only brings frustration. Neither side learns or gains anything. From that point of view bigger grids are irrelevant.

I've spent 2 years offline playing GPL before I ever raced online and it paid off. I'm not asking for people to repeat this, but there are pick up races, there are newbie divisions, there are AI races even. Until someone feels comfortable and consistent enough, it's unrealistic to put them into a division such as D1/Graduates.

 :D   I had a few stronger words in mind.

Sorry if I upset anyone, I just have a different opinion on racing and speed trials and which one belongs offline. I'm not saying I'm right or wrong its just my opinion. I have no wish to get involved in a slanging match. Think what you want.

Results from round 6. Interestingly all 8 Works drivers that started the race made it to the finish. A perfect consistency score from Mosport would have been 180.

Privateers:
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_AwMtMND4F-o/TBeNw0LZWYI/AAAAAAAAAKQ/3mtTyjBIMDs/s1600/Privs06.png)

Works:
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_AwMtMND4F-o/TBeJ0s7qDwI/AAAAAAAAAKI/vDmtP_DJLc0/s1600/Works06.png)

Modding now completed