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UKGPL Season 19 - Historic Division - Race 6 - 66 mod -Rouen


Race date = 08-06-2010
Server = UKGPL_T7_2
IP Address = 62.149.202.168
Time = 21:00
Track = Rouen
Variant = 66F1,  3L engines
Damage Model = PRO
Qually time = 30 minutes.
Race length = long


Group I
Mclaren M2B Ford     
T1G Eagle Weslake           

Group II
BRM P83           
Lotus 43 BRM     

Group III
Honda RA273         
Cooper T81         
Brabham BT19         
Ferrari 312     
         
         

Drivers Restricted to cars from Group I
Clive Garnder
Göran Jonsson

Drivers Restricted to cars from Groups I or II
kinghiro
Hristo Itchov


All other drivers have free chassis choice.

Password: see above (#post_event_password)
(2) Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=249&theme=6)

I'm very sorry about not starting the server. Didn't think I would be late. Luckily someone else started it.

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Qualified third behind Hristo and Tim who put in ridiculously quick times and not surprisingly started to pull away towards the end of the first lap as I held starting position.  Clive was very close at the end of the straight on lap one but seemed to outbrake himself and lose a few positions which gave me breathing space for a while.  Tim lost it at the hairpin to promote me to second and then Hristo either lost it at the end of the straight or decided to give himself a challenge so I was then in the lead.  :o  Jethro managed to close a bit which was quite unnerving, for good reason as it would inevitably turn out!  He seemed to close on the hairpin each lap and a few laps later it was clear why!  He was obviously barely in control as usual and I was not surprised when he completely lost it and ploughed into me to ruin yet another race.     >:(

Hope the rest of you had a better race and well done to podium

A right cock up for me , thinking this series was for 2ltr 66's and rehersed my crashing in the lotus 33 only to find it was the big buggers brothers  ::)

thinks , next time read the bloody rules

I decide to take the good old Coop T81 cos I love the car to bits and love this track even more , in fact my idea of heaven is having an eternal tank full of gas , a coop T81 and a Rouen track to play with , unfortunately GPL had other ideas as I only had the de fault set up , which wasn't too bad except for the ruddy gear box , I was losing 2 secs or more out of the hairpin alone , my times were dismal at best, I tried to hard to make the wheels turn faster but to no avail , making silly mistakes in qually and the same in the race,  terminating in a snatched 1st gear induced crash at the hairpin and a blown engine  :-\

It's because he is using a free file sharing site, they make their money through advertising.  If it is a virus risk probably better just to rely on the championship table when the results are uploaded.

You can download the race replay from here :


Again an external file host, like imagebam above, and not a virus risk.
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ok Syd.

It was just that in all the years ( god! I sound old!!) of using the forum I had never had anything like that happen. So I thought  I would raise it ..just in case we had been infiltrated.

Not more aliens, for gawds sakes tell em to go away , were full  ;D

Wasn't expecting much from this as I only managed a quick practice before the race & never normally seem to get on top of Rouen so 3rd was a real bonus :). Managed a PB in qually to get 5th but then had a panic just before the start when all the text on my screen turned into black boxes & I couldn't see how many laps the race was (thanks Phil for letting me know just in time in chat). Rushed to get the race fuel in & get on the grid & after all the faffing about messed up the start completely losing places off the line to Evil & Jethro (apologies to Goran who got bogged down behind me).

After that I just tried to get a steady race pace going & thanks to a few incidents ahead found myself back up to 5th. That became 3rd after Dave got Jethro'ed & by then I was actually beginning to get the hang of Rouen & wondered if I could hold on to the last podium place. Was looking good for most of the race but then Syd started getting bigger & bigger in my mirrors. I was usually able to buy a bit of time on the exits but Syd was clawing it all back under braking & after a few laps outbraked me at the end of the long straight. Was gutted to lose 3rd so then tried hard to take it back in the remaining laps - in fact I was so busy battling Syd that I never realised until we were back in Igor that Tim had retired & I was back in 3rd by default anyway :P. More of a reward for consistency than outright pace but great fun racing Syd in those closing stages.

Congratulations to Hristo on winning in the BRM & to Syd for 2nd. Commiserations to Dave.   

Using this as a bit of practise to get used to the car for the spec race, I was expecting to be somewhere near the back....and I was!

Slightly disappointed to get lapped with only 1 turn left, but being 7 seconds a lap down on pace I guess it was fortunate not to happen sooner.

WD Podium.  Commiserations to Dave losing out on a good result.

Sorry, Steve, I feel a bit bad lapping people right at the end and robbing them the chance to gain any possible position on their last lap, but I was on a very good lap and wanted it completed. As it turned out it was my fastest of the race. Just an old habit to push for a good lap at the end of a race...  ::)

Really gutted - and still have absolutely NO idea how I crashed on what is probably the easiest corner  :hang:

Happy with my  pace in the race otherwise as I was nearly 2 seconds a lap up on the rest of the field even once Hristo had made good his escape.
Well done to the finishers, and bad luck Dave

No worries H, it was my poor lap times that led to it.  I messed up the last lap too which didn't help.  I'm missing something at Rouen, but I'll find it one day.

Before I ever watched the WR lap or installed the groove I was a second or more off my usual pace at Rouen. I suggest you give them a try, you might be surprised at the ideal line for some corners, but it makes a difference.

ok, I'll take a look.  Thanks.

Just a quick note to say a massive sorry to Dave. I haven't yet looked at the replay, but I remember I screwed up the braking for the hairpin despite braking in my "normal" place - I'd set the car up based on my Snetterton setup, and tuned it to be good on the brakes in the two places here they needed to be and quick out the blocks, hence the late braking at times and the lightning start I made. However this time the car snapped sideways.

I prayed to every God going, even prayed to "Her" to let me have my own accident and not take anybody with me.

Seems I'm a firm atheist like all Wazas (*ducks to avoid the flying spanner*) as I arrived backwards with no control in the crux of the hairpin and according to Pribluda had taken Dave with me.

I suspect (replay will probably confirm or deny this) that colliding with him meant I could keep going, as I put the car in reverse, drove off, and after a lap or two to check the Waza engineering quality out went full-bore again. Was a real shame as I was more than happy to stay behind and wasn't looking to overtake at the time.

Improved my '66 PB at the circuit though. :)

The problem with the 66 mod in particular, as I told you after the race, is that it has HUGE slipstream and you often don't realize the higher speeds that you get when running behind someone even if they're 50 or 100 meters up ahead. The worse is, it happens even at medium speed corners.

I nearly went off in the race when I closed up on a backmarker, even though he was at a good distance in front. I braked at my normal point and it wasn't enough to slow down on time for my normal line.

So I suspect in your case you built more speed running behind Dave at the fast section before the hairpin braking zone and so your regular braking point wasn't going to work. It probably explains why you kept overshooting previous corners as well.

This was a Black night for the Black Night Racing Team, Tim's misfortune and my own crappy race made it a pale shadow of the real thing.

I was reasonable happy with quali, 7th on the grid, and the last couple of laps, chasing Phil, allthough I did not get past I closed a 5 sec gap. But all in between was just crapp and not much to write about. Two good things was that I at least finished the race and that for the next race I get a group 2 car.

Congrats to H, your best lap was a WR lap, and to Syd and Al for podium WD.

Göran

PS. Don`t worry about the start Al, at least I was not hit from behind.

Doubt draft was involved for the accident though H, Jethro spent most of the straight leading to Nouveau Monde on the grass! Hence me braking earlier than normal when he pulled back onto the track in front of us  :o

Oh, and as irrelevant as it is after my crashing out I think I started getting Paradis more or less right after you dropped me - I seemed unable to correctly guage the turn in point from behind you!  :ninja:

Regardless of the accident, it was fun to be involved in a 4 car train for some of the race - Dave, myself, Hristo and Tim. That was fun! :D

Sooner the slipstream is sorted with this mod the better.

I don't think that's going to happen, they have to please GPL Rank junkies...  ::)

Have you seen the plans for the new 69 mod?
I don't think fixing the 66's will be near the top of the priorities, but it's not unthinkable that they'll fix it at some point  :)

Didn't stop the 65 mod group. ::)

In 65's case, the improved slipstream made them faster, so any WRs with the (slight) aid for slipstream would only improve. If they fix 66s, it's the opposite. Anyway, I don't think slipstream should be allowed at all for WRs, and if it's not, then I don't see what's stopping them from fixing the 66 mod slipstream... bah.

Yup, I also think that the submitted laps should be unaided with slipstream, but hey-ho.

Which reminds me - they didn't fix the 65 mod as much as they could've (reduce the engine power, add the frontend aero lift), again for GPL rank reasons. It's a shame, though the mod is still great.

Stat-meister is turning into Slack-meister - apologies for another late posting.

Hristo's win in the previously-winless BRM means the only chassis yet to score a victory in Historics is the 3 Litre Eagle. (Updated win table below)

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Results from Rouen - perfect consistency score would be 90.

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* 2 worst scores to be dropped