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Title: UKGPL Season 19 (2010) Spec Challenge - Zandvoort (1967) - Jun 13
Post by: Billy Nobrakes on June 08, 2010, 12:40:28 AM +0100
Season 19 Spec Race Challenge - Round 6 - Zandvoort

“It's just a jump to the left
And then a step to the right
With your hands on your hips
You bring your knees in tight
But it's the pelvic thrust that really drives you insane,
Let's do the Time Warp again!”
OK – maybe a bit Over The Top on the introduction but the Spec Series “timewarps” from 1965 to  the 1966 mod. (Interestingly, I can draw a number of parallels from the Rocky Horror show and my driving style – but enough of this  frivlolity!)
1966 ~ England won the world cup ~ cinematic release of “The Good, the Bad & The Ugly” & after a flirtation wityh 2.0 litre Formula One upgraded to ridiculously powered 3.0 litre cars ~ so there is absolutely no reason not  to be on the grid this Sunday.

The track is Zandvoort. We will run two races on the same track. Two chassis are available, you must use one in each race. Use the same car twice earns you a disqualification in the second race.
Your choice of chariot for this occasion is the 1966 Mod ~ Eagle T1G & the McLaren M2B (3.0 litre cars).

The Spec Series is a full championship with standard points scoring. In addition the moderator will also tally up every drivers fastest race lap & compare the chassis head to head. For your time to count in the “Spec Challenge” you must complete more than 50% distance in both races. Resets are allowed so don’t retire because of a bad start.
Also the Spec Series in the only GPL championship to be decided exclusively by driver skill, no handicapping applies.

Race List = IGOR
Server = UKGPL_T7_2 *
IP address = 62.149.202.168
Race date = 13-06-2010
Time = 21:00 UK time (21:00 GMT)
Track = Zandvoort
Variant = 66 F1
Chassis – ~ Eagle T1G & the McLaren M2B
Damage Model = Intermediate
Qualifying time = 20 minutes [Server will start at 23 mins]
Race length = Intermediate Short
[* Second server kindly provided by Nicky Ickx]

Password: see above

Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=251&theme=6)

Unlimited Shift-R is allowed in the race. No-fault Shift-Rs will not attract a Stop & Go penalty.  All other Shift-Rs must be followed by a Stop & Go.

Please be in IGOR UKGPL chatroom by 8:50 pm UK Time = GMT).

Due to the number of races moderating will be light touch - reported incidents only, however the moderators reserve the right to review any incident with a particular emphasis on lap one. The aim is to review the race the following weekend so incident reports should be submitted within five days of the race (i.e. the following Friday).

The Championship is split into two sub-divisions, the Light Brigade & the Heavy Brigade. The driver allocation is set out below.

LIGHT BRIGADE drivers
Burtoner
Evil Clive   
John Roberts   
Tim FMG   
Hristo       
Jethro   
Nicky Ickx   
Bartosz (Pod)   
King Hiro   
Clutch   
Al Hellar   
Ruud Savelkoul   
Sam B     
Fulvio P     
Natan
   
   
   

HEAVY BRIGADE drivers
Bernie       
Billy   
Bookie   
Maestro   
Norbert       
D Rock   
Fabio / Il Lupo   
N Hance   
Phil T   
Nigel Smith   
Gilles27   
Steve Bird   
Graham P   
Maddog   
Vosblod 
   
   
   
   
   
   



NOTE: In the event of more then 19 entrants a second grid for the Light Brigade will be run by Nicky. Please ensure you join the correct server, due to the way we import if you start the race on the wrong server your result will not count. If you can try to make sure you are in the chatroom by 8.50pm this will enable a decision without any delays to the start time.



Title: Re: UKGPL Season 19 (2010) Spec Challenge - Zandvoort (1967) - Jun 13
Post by: Hristo Itchov on June 08, 2010, 01:19:30 AM +0100
Hmm, what's with the wrong sim records for this one?!


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 19 (2010) Spec Challenge - Zandvoort (1967) - Jun 13
Post by: Turkey Machine on June 08, 2010, 02:12:09 PM +0100
Nothing's wrong with the records, but the GT Legends lap records are for the newer short course.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 19 (2010) Spec Challenge - Zandvoort (1967) - Jun 13
Post by: Hristo Itchov on June 08, 2010, 02:31:02 PM +0100
Nothing's wrong with the records, but the GT Legends lap records are for the newer short course.

Ah, I must've missed the GPL records above the GTL ones.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 19 (2010) Spec Challenge - Zandvoort (1967) - Jun 13
Post by: FullMetalGasket on June 09, 2010, 03:46:58 PM +0100
Should be an interesting one this - although Hristo will be hard to match here even in the McLaren!  ;D

Looking forward to it here  8)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 19 (2010) Spec Challenge - Zandvoort (1967) - Jun 13
Post by: Phil Thornton on June 13, 2010, 10:59:28 PM +0100
A couple of bad races for me.  Had a few enjoyable battles at the back but made too many mistakes to put in a good race time.  Grats to Steve for another 2 good races, looks like you've got a stranglehold on the Heavies championship.  Great showing by Bernie in race 2 ;)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 19 (2010) Spec Challenge - Zandvoort (1967) - Jun 13
Post by: b_1_rd on June 13, 2010, 11:21:18 PM +0100
66 mod is not a strong one for me so very surprised to get the double.  Martin was nearly away with it in Race 2 but had an incident up ahead which gifted me an easy position, and Ross also seemed to have some good speed but fell off somewhere too.  Shame guys, hard luck to both of you.

Phil - Sorry for the confusion in Race 2, I slowed to let you get back to the battle up ahead, you seemed to be a touch quicker than me on that lap and I had bags of room to spare due to many incidents behind me with the other heavies.  Probably ended up slowing you unnecessarily.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 19 (2010) Spec Challenge - Zandvoort (1967) - Jun 13
Post by: kinghiro on June 14, 2010, 02:39:24 AM +0100
Had good fun.Enjoyed battle with Tim until I screwed up with less than one lap to go in race 1 and dropped from 3 rd to 6 th..or was it 7 th.can t believe why I had to cut in so early there awww.
race 2 I had to panicbrake for some traffic ahead and got nudged from behind. would have been pleased about working my way up to 4 th if it wasn t for me (although some kind of warp was included) hitting Al and messing his race  . I also went wide and hit Phil while lapping him..sorry for that too.
I had loads of adrenalin this time..maybe because I ve been away a while.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 19 (2010) Spec Challenge - Zandvoort (1967) - Jun 13
Post by: Ross Neilson on June 14, 2010, 09:31:14 AM +0100
First time using this mod, and after a few laps was surprised to find myself enjoying it and getting a bit quicker, despite a few spins. Both races were carnage though, a mix of blown engines, spins and collisions (some my fault, some not). Still great fun though, as these things need a bit more sliding than the 65s and Zandvoort is a great track for that. Thanks to chief engineer Billy Nobrakes for supplying me with a nice driveable setup.

As an aside, I might have been better prepared for this but all my practice time has been devoted to the Mosport novices race tomorrow. I would like to do more spec races but it's hard to get ready for two events that are within 48 hours of each other. What do people think of pushing the Spec races back a week next season, so that the Historics are two days after the Spec races, and Novs/Ams are five days before?

Ross


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 19 (2010) Spec Challenge - Zandvoort (1967) - Jun 13
Post by: Turkey Machine on June 14, 2010, 12:39:01 PM +0100
First time using this mod, and after a few laps was surprised to find myself enjoying it and getting a bit quicker, despite a few spins. Both races were carnage though, a mix of blown engines, spins and collisions (some my fault, some not). Still great fun though, as these things need a bit more sliding than the 65s and Zandvoort is a great track for that. Thanks to chief engineer Billy Nobrakes for supplying me with a nice driveable setup.

As an aside, I might have been better prepared for this but all my practice time has been devoted to the Mosport novices race tomorrow. I would like to do more spec races but it's hard to get ready for two events that are within 48 hours of each other. What do people think of pushing the Spec races back a week next season, so that the Historics are two days after the Spec races, and Novs/Ams are five days before?

Ross
Ross,

this is AFAIK the only event running in 66s this season.


As for the racing, I really enjoyed that. Took the Eagle for race 1, qualified behind a queue of Mclarens and a leading Eagle of Hristo. Made a reasonable start, screwed up a couple of times, but had a good race with people.

Race 2 I surprised myself with 2nd on the grid, at which point evilclive said "no more setup lending". Wasn't using yours evil, H might think differently though! :D

Got the worst start as I took the clutch-and-bury-throttle option instead of the neutral-to-first option and paid the price. Through we went and T3 approached. The pack seemed to check up quite badly as I found KH looming very closely. Many apologies for hitting you sir, it wasn't intentional and to be fair I should have been paying more attention to the road ahead.

Had another good race punctuated by a few mistakes, particularly on lap 1. The cold tyres and full fuel didn't help. Also, lapping Phil I think I may have nerfed him off the road skirting around his slow-moving car, so apologies for that.

Good racing though, really liked these cars, particularly the responsive McLaren.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 19 (2010) Spec Challenge - Zandvoort (1967) - Jun 13
Post by: Ross Neilson on June 14, 2010, 03:17:59 PM +0100
this is AFAIK the only event running in 66s this season.

I think you're right, although 67 and 69 are being used, and I've not got any experience on any of the remaining four circuits either. That's fine, as it's good to have a variety of cars and tracks to keep everyone interested.

My point was that, as a newbie, trying to prepare for spec and novices races which are two days apart is tricky, in that more often that not it's a track I don't know and (in the case of last night) sometimes a car I don't know. If the spec races were pushed back a week I'd be able to practice for one series one week, one the other.

All of that said, I suspect might be in a minority of one on this - most of you guys have driven all the tracks and cars, and got good setups, so it's usually just a case of getting a half hour "refresher" in and you're ready to go. In a few months' time I will be a bit like that (I hope).

All in all, good fun last night though.


Ross


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 19 (2010) Spec Challenge - Zandvoort (1967) - Jun 13
Post by: vosblod on June 14, 2010, 04:34:38 PM +0100
What do people think of pushing the Spec races back a week next season, so that the Historics are two days after the Spec races, and Novs/Ams are five days before?
The downside is it could create the same thing for those doing the Graduates. If enough people have an issue next season, personally, I don't have a problem changing fixtures although my vote would be keep as is.

Anyway was fun to get the chance to try the 66's as not much previous expereince. First race was not good but I improved by the second and didn't qually last. Race 2 was fun until I got out of kilter 4/5 laps towards the end, after that couldn't pull it together.
I like the idea of the mix and match in the Specs, maybe one 65 then one other mod etc etc


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 19 (2010) Spec Challenge - Zandvoort (1967) - Jun 13
Post by: FullMetalGasket on June 14, 2010, 06:30:53 PM +0100
An unusually high pair of finishes for me in the 66 mod - Watching the replay I've decided my main loss of time is in my tendancy to Man Foot it out of tight corners, I was far more sideways last night than even Evil normally is! ;D

Race 1 was excellent fun as I spent half of it locked in battle with KingHiro, it should have been the entire race by my reconing but I locked up the front tyres trying to outbrake him into Tarzan on lap 3 (fronts wern't upto temp yet :-[ ) and knocked him into the greenery - As said after the race; sorry about that. Having now watched the replay I was miles further over when I hit than I thought so you're well within your rights if you decide to report me  :ninja:
Was a fine battle to the end though with Hiro passing me into Tarzan with 3 to go, me making a mistake at 2 to go, forcing me to perform a Banzai penultimate lap to close up for a final chance at the podium - I thought all was lost when I clipped the first apex in Hondenvlak on the final lap and had to catch the car in a huge speed-killing slide, unfortunatly for Hiro he clobbered the 2nd apex properly and span into the Dunes gifting me 3rd back at the last minute!

Race 2 was pretty tense for the first few corners until Jethro clobbered (Hiro?) behind me into T3 which opened up a nice gap behind me - I promptly ran wide onto the grass at Pulleveld and lost lots of time. I rejoined with barely enough space to hold Bartosz off before Tarzan, luckily he seemed to take a few bad lines through the next few corners allowing me to break the tow before the next lap.
From there it was abit lonely barring the odd backmarker until I caught Evil and Hristo who'd both spun avoiding a backmarker with only a few laps to go - sadly I was still too far back to make proper use of the Slipstream to catch them but had good fun trying!  ;D

Cracking races, big thanks to the backmarkers all of whom were spot on for me  :angel:

While I found the Eagle faster I have to say I really enjoyed the McLaren, shame it's so underpowered :(


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 19 (2010) Spec Challenge - Zandvoort (1967) - Jun 13
Post by: EvilClive on June 14, 2010, 09:33:33 PM +0100
Great fun ...well almost fun!! :-\...chasing Hristo for 2 whole races, although I did get in front at least twice. The question is....am I getting faster, or is Hristo getting slower???? :o

I think that was my first ever race in the McLaren, but once I got to grips with it, there seemed little to choose between that and the Eagle as far as my meagre talent could show.


Grats to Hristo and to all the other drivers. Especially the backmarker who caught both of us unawares  :o :o  and almost allowed that ex-waza ( boooo! hssssss! ) to steal our victory towards the end of the race. It certainly did add a bit of tension as far as I was concerned!!!!
Thanks again to Billy, this series does seem to produce some close racing and great fun. It's funny, because I know that this is a "real" championship with points to be won and lost, but somehow I still treat it as " fun" races and approach them with a relaxed frame of mind.
Perhaps it is just my brain cell refusing to process any more league tables???


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 19 (2010) Spec Challenge - Zandvoort (1967) - Jun 13
Post by: Ross Neilson on June 14, 2010, 09:53:03 PM +0100
What do people think of pushing the Spec races back a week next season, so that the Historics are two days after the Spec races, and Novs/Ams are five days before?
The downside is it could create the same thing for those doing the Graduates. If enough people have an issue next season, personally, I don't have a problem changing fixtures although my vote would be keep as is.

Fair point Tim, although I figured the Grads would be better able to deal with it as they would have more experience than the Novices.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 19 (2010) Spec Challenge - Zandvoort (1967) - Jun 13
Post by: maddog on June 14, 2010, 11:42:13 PM +0100
My sympathies to the 66 regulars/front runners, who had to survive the scattered debris, thrown down by those of us of dubious experience.

I actually bailed out of race 1, as my car was misbehaving badly.  Nonetheless, a new on-line experience, and the chance to explore the blow up parameters of two 66 motors! "Grumble!"

Managed to survive race 2, though fighting an uneven set of brakes, which Al got the worst of. :-\  But much fun had, both on, and er . . . off the track, and a good excuse to finally grapple with these cars.  In my case, I think the cars won!


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 19 (2010) Spec Challenge - Zandvoort (1967) - Jun 13
Post by: Hristo Itchov on June 14, 2010, 11:42:17 PM +0100
The question is....am I getting faster, or is Hristo getting slower???? :o

Thanks again to Billy, this series does seem to produce some close racing and great fun. It's funny, because I know that this is a "real" championship with points to be won and lost, but somehow I still treat it as " fun" races and approach them with a relaxed frame of mind.
Perhaps it is just my brain cell refusing to process any more league tables???

You sure are getting faster and I think I just reached my peak a while ago and am trying to keep at it. And yeah, it's the same for me, I approach them as fun races and it helps a lot for performance. A lesson to be learned for sure, though you can't just force to relax once you've already put pressure on yourself, lol.

As for the race, I think the others said most of it. For me the McLaren was definitely faster, it was about as fast without slipstream as the Eagle with slipstream, according to lap times anyway.

One thing I want to bring up again is backmarkers - 5 of the 6 backmarkers I passed in one of the races made big mistakes. Is it panic or just lack of experience, I don't know, but it wasn't a nice experience and it nearly cost me the race a couple of times. Only Bernie behaved properly, but it can be expected from a former champ!


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 19 (2010) Spec Challenge - Zandvoort (1967) - Jun 13
Post by: bernie on June 15, 2010, 10:21:43 AM +0100
Quote
Only Bernie behaved properly, but it can be expected from a former champ!


Would that be the year Phil went on holiday and gifted me the cup  ;D

As for the correct behaviour in being lapped , all I can say is that practise makes perfect , I seem to be reaching expert status on the subject these days  :D

Sympathise with Vos though as often its a gut reaction and escpecially if you are locked in battle with one or more cars when the situation  can  become a little confused  ::)

Though I wouldn't want to see anyone give you the Nelson Piquet "Monza Handshake"  Hristo

 ;D ;D ;D



Title: Re: UKGPL Season 19 (2010) Spec Challenge - Zandvoort (1967) - Jun 13
Post by: vosblod on June 15, 2010, 10:26:51 AM +0100
Sympathise with Vos though as often its a gut reaction and escpecially if you are locked in battle with one or more cars when the situation  can  become a little confused  ::)
Toned down my response as don't want to implicate anyone  ;)
Gist is I find there are some who plan an overtake/lapping and some that are (ahem) in a bit more of a hurry and you're not sure where they'll try to pass. Combine that with not having time to check Prib for who is behind you and being lapped can sometimes get tricky.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 19 (2010) Spec Challenge - Zandvoort (1967) - Jun 13
Post by: Billy Nobrakes on June 15, 2010, 06:36:12 PM +0100
A few general points here worthy of a comment.
Format of the Spec Races will stay "as is" this season but we can look at changes next season.
1. Championship v Fun Races. Personally I regard the Spec Races more in the fun category than the 65 or 67 championships. Those sparring for top places in the table would be entitled to a different view.
2. Swapping Spec Races with Historics. This can be done although it may have a bearing depending which other leagues people compete in. Generally I have opted for tracks that are well known or not too challenging to learn. On the other hand people are having to adapt to different cars.
3. Mixed abilities. Six rounds into the Spec season and we have run single grids for five of them. Being an Int Short race lapping is quite infrequent. Zandvoort was a bit of an exception beacause there were a number of drivers (including me) who had never raced 66 cars before. Seems less of an issue for 65s'. We have a 67 race at Spa and a 69 and Monza 10K - in view of the length of tracks shouldnt be too much lapping. I think the novice drivers generally do their best not to impede the lapping cars BUT there is also some inconsistent behaviour with some of the faster drivers. (Fairly rare I should add).



Title: Re: UKGPL Season 19 (2010) Spec Challenge - Zandvoort (1967) - Jun 13
Post by: Statmeister on June 25, 2010, 03:28:18 PM +0100
Still playing catch-up with the stats - here's the updated tables from the last race. Perfect consistency score would be 70.

Heavy Brigade
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_AwMtMND4F-o/TCS8SOTOZsI/AAAAAAAAALA/dTY9l8deqt8/s1600/SpecH06.png)

Light Brigade
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_AwMtMND4F-o/TCS8J7_VUgI/AAAAAAAAAK4/cidwsC92fwc/s1600/SpecL06.png)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 19 (2010) Spec Challenge - Zandvoort (1967) - Jun 13
Post by: FullMetalGasket on June 25, 2010, 03:54:20 PM +0100
Is my consistency meister thingy right for races 7 & 8? (Porto I think)
It was far from being a good pair of races for me in the consistency front, but 0 and 1.07  ???

Or is it just because the race had a fairly low 'perfect' score  :)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 19 (2010) Spec Challenge - Zandvoort (1967) - Jun 13
Post by: Statmeister on June 25, 2010, 06:03:02 PM +0100
Is my consistency meister thingy right for races 7 & 8? (Porto I think)
It was far from being a good pair of races for me in the consistency front, but 0 and 1.07  ???

Or is it just because the race had a fairly low 'perfect' score  :)

I've rechecked the Statmeister Supercomputer & those figures appear to be correct so I'm guessing you must have had incidents or stop & go pitstops in both races? In race 1 you had an average deviation of 5.473 (anything over 5 seconds falls outside the cutoff so scores "0") & in race 2 you were very close to the cutoff with 4.866. The perfect score is only there for reference; ultimately the closer you get to the 5 second average deviation cutoff the worse proportionally you will score.

Don't forget we will drop your worst 2 scores though (or should that be worst 4 scores for Spec Races?)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 19 (2010) Spec Challenge - Zandvoort (1967) - Jun 13
Post by: Billy Nobrakes on June 25, 2010, 06:42:58 PM +0100

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Don't forget we will drop your worst 2 scores though (or should that be worst 4 scores for Spec Races?)
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For purpose of the Championship the lowest 4 results are discounted BUT how you want to apply the Statmeister scoring is up to up you. For "Consistency" you could argue that all 20 races should count - just to be consistent!


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 19 (2010) Spec Challenge - Zandvoort (1967) - Jun 13
Post by: Billy Nobrakes on June 25, 2010, 07:32:17 PM +0100
Chassis comparison results now in from stat Control. Mclaren shades it, but by a fine margin.
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_AwMtMND4F-o/TCSWG5Bv3jI/AAAAAAAAAKY/4Jrx5_Av-GY/s1600/Bill+06.png)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 19 (2010) Spec Challenge - Zandvoort (1967) - Jun 13
Post by: Hristo Itchov on June 25, 2010, 07:49:42 PM +0100
You have to keep in mind that race times are most often influenced by slipstream (which is huge in 66 mod) and so they're not really objective. Without slipstream the McLaren was half a second faster than the Eagle for me.