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Practice 1: 19:20 (60 mins)
Qual 2: 20:20 (12 mins)
Race: 20:32 (60 Minutes)

Cars allowed: Since this is the first event of the series all drivers must choose a car from the yellow group.

Yellow (average finish 1+)

• Abarth 500 Gr5
• Mini Cooper 1275S
• Triumph TR4
• Lotus Elite

Track: Snetterton (download from HERE (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3356.msg54521#post_Snetterton))
Time of Day Setting: 16:00
Weather: Dry
Start: Standing

Tyre wear: 1X
Fuel consumption: 2X
Pit-stops: At least 1 stop is required taking on at least 1 litre of fuel and/or changing 2 tires. You cannot take a mandatory stop at the end of the pace lap, or with less than 1 lap to go.

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Now this is my kind of race/series, good work Mike!
Will be there with bells on & getting there early to avoid dissapointment!

I edited the race announcement to point to the new championship standings page.

I'm torn on weather to say fortunately or unfortunately that I won't be able to make it to this 1st race in the series. I'll be doing a track day with my buddies at Lime Rock on Thursday. I'm going to try to keep up with their e36 M3 race cars in my Mazda RX-7 Turbo race car. I'm down 40 horsepower, but Lime Rock is more of a momentum track so I should have a chance.

Enjoy the race guys.

Don't think I will be able to make this due to ongoing family issues but I certainly endorse Legzy's comments.

Good luck with your first full blown race championship  :thumbup1:

TR4@Snetterton. Life does not get much better than this  :laugh:

I'd like to have a go at the TR4 but I'm pretty lost as to setups for this car. Could you help out here Phspoke ?

Stig / Hotkeys

Are all the PnG races gonna involve pitstops/fascinating strategy?  :'(

No. Week B will feature a new car or group of cars every week in a single race sprint format with a reverse grid based on average finish position. Since week 1 will not have resutls to go on, we'll do a standard quali session.

I'm sure you're talent level is high enough to figure out fuel and tire strategy. Most cars in P&G can make the race distance on no tires or a 2 tire change. The little ankle biters are easy on tires for the most part and typically do not require changing. It doesn't take long to figure out fuel strategy.

Unfortunately I'm not allowed to race on my birthday  :'(

Have fun!!

Happy birthday Eddie. Surely the one day a year you can do as you wish ;)

Email me Stig, and I will send you what I am currently using.

hmm, sadly, as always there is a clear winner car here it seems and already every one appears to be choosing it  :(

Good little club track this but will be a triumph fest by the looks of it. I wanted to take the Elite but i am just under a second slower in it.

I hope that mine TR4 setup could be useful for someone... as ever I remember to you that I'm not a great engineer :P

Download link: http://www.humyo.com/9469759/Triumph%20gara.svm?a=qkAcEaOuE1w (http://www.humyo.com/9469759/Triumph%20gara.svm?a=qkAcEaOuE1w)

Cu on Thursday guys :)

Don't forget the fuel strategy component of the Elite. It sips fuel compared to the TR4. It is also very kind to it's ultra hard tires.

i wanna try and make this  :P

Maybe, but i want to race cars on the track not through fuel economy. No fun having 15 TR4s leaving you for dead whilst you chug around hoping to pass them in the pit later.
Not tried the Minis or abarths so hope others can compete in them with the TR4, but not a fan of fwd or fridges on wheels so prob wont be driving them myself  :P

Not sure if i missed an info post, but i thought the quickest drivers wouldnt be able to take the fastest cars in the new handicap series ?

I guess there will often be a particular car in a fixed set that will be a winner at some places
I happen to like TR4s so I don't mind if it becomes a Triumph spec race.
I also would not mind if MIke gets "Legzy last minute wobbles" and chucks the TR4 out for this event  ::)

I am sort of with MJ about the Elite, I can't usually stand the thing, but here it is really great fun
And. I need someone of exceptional talent to use the mini and beat Manteos as he claims
he has "never seen a competitive mini" This sort of talk is like gauntlets being cast down!  :laugh:
For me the washing machine is 2nd fastest, but I am 2 -3 secs slower than i am in the TR4
so not a serious option.
Oh and the post is that we all take yellow cars for the 1st event, and handicapping starts
at some point after based on who wins. So, you take the Elite MJ and I'l take the washing machine
and we will have some fun, and then get good cars in the next round  :devil:

LOL

Well I'm a second quicker in the washing machine.  I wish I wasn't but there you go!

Still making progress with the Elite.  Only just noticed that some are older than others.

Well I'm going to be driving the Mini, highly doubt I'll beat Manteos but it's easily my favourite out of those cars.

Oh, and...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monte_Carlo_Rally#1950.E2.80.931972

 ;)

Think ill take the Mini for this ;D 1:25.65 is the best i can do with 12lts of fuel.



                                                       This should be fun 8)

I like the Elite and the Abarth round here, but the Mini is a couple of secs quicker for me. Can't get on with the TR4 at all.

Ok, Now I am within a second of my best TR4 time in the Bendix. 26.2 tonight, with I thought full fuel, but
you don't get many laps for a packet of Persil with this 2x fuel thing, so may have been only half a dispenser full
May still take the TR4, I have driven it pretty well whenever it has been available even when it was the least
competitive, so to not drive my fave car when it is, is something a crazy person would do.. but then...
muahahahaha  tumbleweed

Some Italian  :alien: s on last night, doing low 24's or even 23's in the TR4, I may follow them round and see if
they fall off, or try to keep up with the smaller cars, I think it will be a double race, but who knows, hot lapping
pace does not always result in a win  :shifty:

..  or through what tyres you pick, or through how hard you run the engine, or through how much you damage the suspension, or how well you handle a pitstop, or through what car you pick.

Why don't we cut out all these annoying and distracting features, that have no reference to real racing  ;) ;) ;)


Stig / Hotkeys

26's in the TR4
27's in the Abarth

Both lovely drives here >:(. Love this track 8)

All the laptimes are in race-condition

TR4 1.23.2
Abarth 1.25.2
Mini 1.27.2

I haven't tried the Elite because is esthetically horrible  :angel:

See you tomorrow

That is actually a big problem in races with pit stops. It's entirely possible to have close battles with other drivers from start to finish in races that don't include pitstops, but if you have to stop to take on fuel and/or change tyres (particularly if there are different car types), the result can often be a lonely second half of the race.

I agree with Mogget. I'll catch you gents for the sprint races :)

It's 2 days I don't read this topic, and my sentence about Mini's has provoked the British anger... LOL!
It's obvious that I was referring only to the yellow group, when I said that Mini is not competitive. I think that in the right hands, and not vs the TR4 especially in a track like Snetterton, it could have some chances... If I convince my VDA mates to take the abarth this race could be a bit more interesting i guess... What do you think about introducing a rule that force you to take all the cars of a group? The idea is that if this time I take the TR4, I'm not allowed to take it next time, and I'll have to choose between Abarth - Elite - Mini. In this way every driver is forced to choose a different car in every race, and there's a good reshuffling of cars on the grid every times. Obviously that should be valid even for the drivers of green and orange group for the next races. I wait for some feedback.
I apologize to those who feel offended by my sentence on Mini. It's definitely a glorious car :)

Some inspiration (if any needed) for those taking a Mini this evening  :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHSXKG0XJ-g

I don't care if it's competitive or not, I'll take my father's car. :)

Lol

My comments are, as always Matteo, in jest  ;)

I was hoping Ade might fancy a run in it, and he seems up for it, I would drive it myself but would be very slow.

And, only an Italian would refuse to test a car because of it's styling  8)

Stewards inquiry into the result with the race finishing 11 mins early & some people not having pitted yet!

Mike's first challenge!  ;D :angel:




p.s. In all the excitement, I forgot to mention what a cracking race it was! :sweatdrop: Well done on the balance of cars & to all that took part 8)
p.p.s. Of course it's quite possible everyone pitted, I'm just slinging mud here :P

I want to apologize with hotkeys, but I think that wasn't completely my fault... you were a bit lagghy since the race start, so when we arrived at the braking point after the first straight I stayed on the inside line, and I don't know if I touched you, but probably you went long and I found your car stopped orizontal to the track, so I couldn't do nothing to avoid you. I even broked my suspention cause of our crash, but the TR4 got a "special ability" and it was still drivable.
I don't know if you guys changed the tyres, but watching the time I gained to you, seems that you changed it. If you didn't that's probably something wrong in your pitstop. I suggest to you not to change your tires til the end... your car will be a bit slower, but you gain more than 20 seconds without changes. The Dunlop 184 can go quite good til a tire wear of 30.0 (based on GTR2 xd minimotec), and in most cases, you really don't need to change it.
I really enjoyed this race from the start to the end, managing a great come back from the 7th position, til the "last" (it sholdn't be the last) lap in which I gained a deserved 2nd place overtaking Lele after a great pressure for three laps in row.
Mostly a fought race with many of you, so it was a real fun. Thanks to my VDA mates for their support. I hope to meet even Ian & Mike for the next races... c'mon guys, come back to race!! Grats to Gavino (Ayrton) that was on another planet, I bet that the next one, with the different groupings would be even more interesting! Cu guys :)

"I want to apologize with hotkeys,"

No need to appologize Manteos 'Schummi' , no one hits other drivers un purpose in this community as far as I can tell  ;D
..... and you are right, I was pretty laggy.  I'm racing from another location than my usual, and the connection is pretty slow  :(

Had a great duel with Legzy ( and some other TR4 ) for many laps, that was great racing. I didn't change tyres and had a fine pitstop - even managed to turn off the engine before stopping. But as usual I started loosing my focus after appr. 30 minutes, and in the last chikane I ruined the suspension got myself a stop and go at the same time. :'( :'(

Won't be able to race next week, but I'll be back for more fun  ;D ;D ;D

Stig / Hotkeys

Well if that was a quiet, boring race with nobody to race against for long stretches then I'll each my wheel.

At the end, the fight with Tudor for top honours in the Elites was going to be down to the pit stops.  Something that neither of us excels at.

I did mine but Tudor must have been running on fumes by the time that the race ended ahead of schedule.

I vote for a rerun at the end of the season.

Good race that, had battles/chases from start to finish, though only with other TR4s it must be said. Good fun all the same. This is a good track for racing.
Not sure how this would have worked if race went to its apparent end (some said it finished early?) but that was two full tanks of fuel and i crossed the line on fumes so if there had been another allleged 10minutes to go, i assume all the Tr4s would have had to make a 2nd fuel stop  ???

I actually (finally!) jumped someone ahead with my pitstop  :P and overtook Geoffers who had been 2nd or 3rd at the time. I assume there is no pit speed limit for our P&G events? as someone screamed past me in the pitlane when i thought we had to stick to 1st gear :-\
The two italians gained a healthy 17-20 second lead over me in the stops so assume thats because they never changed tyres, but i couldnt close on them with my new fronts (Kept my rears).

On penultimate lap i caught Goldtop? in his well driven Elite that passed me when i pitted, but the sneaky Geoffers took advantage of me being held up slightly behind him in a corner exit and nicked 4th off me on the blinking last lap...ya swine!  ;)

Was pleased with 5th  8)

Anyone else think a nice little rain shower at some point would have really spiced up that race ?

I was running a full tank with longish gears and planned on taking just 12L with no tyres on the lap after the flag came out. As it happened my brain told me to pit when I saw the race ending early  ::) Rerun? races end early through red flags all the time in the real world  ;D

But seriously, I don't mind a rerun; I was carrying damage for a lot of the race after colliding with a wayward TR4 and for some reason my framerate went very wobbly from about midrace particularly around the chicane. That's never happened before ???

Was a cracking event though with lots of close racing and some epic battles  8)

If you look to the result this race lasted before than 50 minutes Mark. I don't know if someone has stolen your tank, but I guess that you didn't put all the fuel needed to finish the race... or something similar. When the race finished I had 30 litres fuel in my tank, enough to finish a 1 hour race.
Yes Mark, no speed limiter in this champ ;)
I can say that is wrong Mark. If you change only the front tyres, you will have too much grip in the front, and a really low grip to the rear tyres. That cause some issues on your drive in the 2nd part of the race. This happens aswell if you only change the rear tyres, but with an inverted situation. I follow to suggest not to change the tires at all, or to change 4 tyres, never 2!
Hope my suggestions will be useful :)
THanx to Hotkes for the comprehension about our crash, I hope the next time you'll be luckier mate!
Cu for the next :)

Interesting that MJ was going to have to stop again.

I suffered in my pit stop because the cursor was difficult to control on the clipboard.  I think it was because i had mapped the POV thingy to control cursor and it was giving rapid multiple hits.  I shall map the POV thingy to the keyboard cursor keys and see if that is any better.

It was a great event but I hope that future events will be either tested for race duration or just done to a fixed number of laps.

Great car set.  I needed to do more long runs in the Elite as it seemed to me that the rear tyres got a bit loose and it cost me dear in the battle with Tudor, TT and the TR4s.

Yes, whatever happened to the gentlemanly 40 mph? >:(

"(5) P&G has no 'Pit Speed Limiter' function. You may go as fast as you like in the pits, but please exercise caution. Penalties will be handed out for causing contact in the pit lane. Use your best judgement when making your pitstop during the race."

I just checked the Notes for the race before the start ;)

Count me in ;D

Brilliant race, action from start to finish  ;D

Previously I had never been too quick in the TR but a few changes on Wednesday night seemed to transform the car & got me 4th on the grid. At the start Marco got ahead of me & I held 5th for a few laps until Marco, Lele & Manteos all made mistakes within a lap of each other & I reached the lofty heights of 2nd place  :o. Then followed a battle with Marco which lasted until around lap 20 when I spun at the chicane, rejoined still in 3rd & then came the pitstop  ::). Made a real mess of getting the pitboard right, kept pressing the wrong key, doh!, & also made the silly decision to change the front tyres. It didn't make any difference to the handling either good or bad & was just a waste of time.

Rejoined in 8th just behind API, got past him quite quickly & set off after MJ who was around 3s ahead. moved to 6th when Clive pitted & gradually closed on MJ & Goldtop. On what turned out to be the last lap they were arguing about position going onto the back straight which slowed them both up & I managed to pass both of them & nick 4th place. Quite pleased with that, but without the spin & pitstop mess-up I might have been able to challenge for 2nd, oh well  ::)

Congrats to the flying Ayrton, Manteos & Lele  :thumbup2:

Cya all at Charade. Looks like it may be the TR again.

Rather enjoyed that one, with great pain and personal suffering I shunned my much loved TR4 as they were
common as muck at this race  :P
Took the famous Italian washing machine as it was my next quickest, and TT was the only other person with one
and our practice times had been a tenth apart. was doing ok until I nerfed Stig trying to keep out of trouble
when a bunch of cars got together in the final chicane, waited of course, but by the time he'd got the right way
round several cars had passed, no biggie for me, didn;t lose much time, sorry for that Stig, I was keeping tight
I guess you just being extra polite  :oops:
Spun myself out of turn two  after that and set about trying to keep up with Legzy, and keep Lorrenzo at bay
Might have placed better if I had not made some silly judgements, but was an enjoyable race all the same.

I just stumbled out of bed after a good nights sleep. It's been a whole year since I did a track day so my body isn't used to it. Great to hear so many had great battles on track. I really wish I could have made the race.

Regarding the early ending... I only recently learned of the lap count calculation may end timed races prematurely. I failed to check this event and the others for that matter. I will be sure to do so for the remaining events on the schedule. Those that may appear to end early may be converted to fixed laps. As for this event, I want to review the results and see if anyone did not make a stop. For those who did not stop, I may add a time penalty equal to the amount of time an average stop for that car typically would take if the results system allows for it. I'll review and test tonight.

Yep, together with some Bavaria Babes in the Pits.

Concerning the race... welll.. I went for Spyker's strategy at Le Mans and finished... last.
The positive thing is that I'm now firmly rooted in Group Green.

I've come to the opinion that virtual rain is just another way of messing up a perfectly good race.

And why do we have to run the damn things when the sun is so low in the sky that at least two corners are almost invisible?  Just favouritism for people with expensive graphics cards I expect.

Didn't you have your sunglasses handy Clive? I think Mike should put something in the race posting about shades being required.  ;D

The other thing about the race ending early, people who didn't change Tyres would have started going backwards in relation to people who spent longer in the pits to do their Tyres.

Tough one to call because I can see the point about races ending early in the real world :-\

I wonder if they have put a rule in the book to cover a GP ending before everyone had used both tyre compounds.  ;D

I can see the lawyers making a packet if they haven't.  ;D

Judging by where my replay ended up, we were not using the UKGTR version of the track this time either.

odd what you guys are saying about fuel. I definitely had the full amount allowed in the garage menu and re-filled to the brim at my stop. So must have been something buggy perhaps? My low fuel light came on for last two laps of the race and i was sweating it would make it. I was surprised when some said the race had finished early as it finished exactly on the right lap number that Xpd was telling me the race would finish.

Those saying rain would spoil the race obviously havent tried it with a proper weather generator where you get a realistic shower, drying of track etc. Its brilliant, especially in these clubmen racing cars and tracks. Had some cracking races with varying weather in the MARA league as it felt more realistic.

Just to confirm it finished early MJ, on the results sheet at the top, look in the column that shows the gap between drivers... if you look in Ayrton's row (because he won it) & you'll see how long the race lasted (49mins 54 secs in case you can't find it ;)).

This happens when the .gdb track file is "wrong". If you watch at the XD Motec, it will show you exactly the number of race laps, when the .gdb file is wrong. If the .gdb file is "correct", the race will finish after 1 hour, and even the xd motec, will show you the remaining time to finish, and not the number of race laps. However even me & the other VDA mates, didn't noticed this fact during the race, so we refilled our tank of about 65 litres to see the checkerd flag after an hour... but it was an early finish as Legzy said.

About your trouble with fuel, I don't know what to think... you refilled your car til 72 litres of fuel? 67 litres were enough to finish the race doing the pit at lap 22 as you did. 72 Litres is the fuel tank, divided for 22 laps, it means, 3.25 litres for lap circa . To make 22 laps with full tank, with an average time of 1.24.5, it means you stayed on track for at least 31 minutes, and adding the pit time, surely more than 32 mins. So, you would have to turn other 21 laps in the worst hypothesis, that is less than the first half of the race... so if maths is not an opinion (it's an Italian proverb lol), you should have finish the race... I hope to be clear in my explanations :)
You use to do endurance and pit stop, than you shouldn't have truble with pit Mark, but probably you had a wrong number of litres setted on your pit strategy, I can't imagine any other cause, because the mechanics don't let you go til they put all the litres of fuel you setted in your pit strategy, and if you restart your engine before they finish to refuel, you can't leave the pit until you turn off your engine again, and they will finish to refill all the litres you setted in your pit strategy.
The other cause could be that of an Italian mechanic that made a hole to your tank during the pit stop I guess  :P :P :P Another Spy Story?!?!?  ;D ;D ;D
Gn guys!

After reviewing the results and watching key parts of the replay, the results stand as is. Goldtop took his stop on the last lap surrendering a position to API in the process. He was also the last car on the lead lap so there wasn't an opportunity for others to pass while in the pits.

I will be sure to test the race ending early scenario going forward.