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Practice 1: 19:20 (60 mins)
Qual 2: 20:20 (12 mins)
Race: 20:32 (56 laps  ~60 Minutes)

Cars allowed: Refer to this  spreadsheet (http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0AgyClStz4uopdENJZC1SUEZfZ08wWmoxcERXZTFWV2c&hl=en&output=html). Your car choice is limited to your average finish position (trimean).

Drivers with an average finish of 1 - 5.99 are restricted to cars in the Yellow group.
Drivers with an average finish of 6 - 14.99 are restricted to cars in the Yellow and Orange groups.
Drivers with an average finish of 15+ may drive any car from any group.
If your name is not on the list (first time drivers) you are restricted to cars in the Yellow group.

Yellow (average finish 1+)

• Abarth 500 Gr5
• Mini Cooper 1275S
• Triumph TR4
• Lotus Elite

Orange (average finish 6+)

• Lotus Cortina Mann
• Lotus Cortina Works
• Alfa Romeo GTA Jr.

Green (average finish 15+)

• Alfa Romeo GTA
• Ford Falcon Sprint
• Ford Mustang BSCC-Gr2

Track: Lime Rock (no chicane) (download from HERE (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3356.msg54521#post_limerock))
Time of Day Setting: 16:00
Weather: Dry
Start: Standing

Tyre wear: 1X
Fuel consumption: 2X
Pit-stops: At least 1 stop is required taking on at least 1 litre of fuel and/or changing 2 tires. You cannot take a mandatory stop at the end of the pace lap, or with less than 1 lap to go.

Server: UKPnG2.1 S3
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Championship standings (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=259&theme=34)

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You can never ever have too much Lime Rock IMO

Could the spreadsheet be updated please  :)

The spreadsheet has been updated.

I just realized that I'll be racing for real at Lime Rock Friday and Saturday. Wish me luck guys.

How do you "just realise" stuff like that!

Have a great time Mike  8)

Lime Rock is an inoffensive little track, but I've never understood why we run there so often, when we have
the world's greatest tracks to choose from.  ???

The organisers like it  ;) :angel:

BTW in 2011 it looks like GTL pays only one visit there.

Don't care who likes it so long as it's easy on my GFX card.

without wishing to drag this thread off topic, what gfx card do you have? Your lack of fps comes up regularly... so I'm wondering how much worse then my rubbish system it could be :-\

Mine will be older but it's not rubbish  :P

It's a GeForce 7900 GS

This is AGP we are talking about here.   ;D

CPU probably won't help either (AMD XP3200+) but the end result is that at certain points on some circuits the fps gets to a point where I'm not looking at the same information that the pc is working on.  End of the lap at Mid-Ohio is very bad and Sarthe is much the same.

Things like "getting dark" and "rain" do not help.

When dusk started to fall at Le Mans, I had big black triangles flashing at me through the Esses.

You could buy a very decent AGP ATI card from Sapphire which would help enourmously and won't break the bank.

http://www.sapphiretech.com/presentation/product/?leg=&psn=000101&pid=81 or slightly older and no longer sold directly from Sapphire but I bet someone will have one http://www.sapphiretech.com/presentation/product/?leg=1&psn=000101&pid=80

Hope this helps

Thanks Tony.

Interesting but how do I know that it is quicker than what I already have?

Take too long to understand all that gobbledegook.

Also please remember that I missed the Fuji race because of my daughter's wedding.  This was not an inexpensive item.

We are on bread and water until Christmas but I have to agree that £40 is a good price to cure all ills.

Just done some pracy and managed 1:05.844 in the 'tina.

It wouldn't let Lazlow in.

lol

My PC trumps that (just).
GeForce 7950 GT & AMD 3800+  ;D

Clive, between us we must have the worst two PC's here... Time for us both to upgrade & enjoy fully what our hobby has to offer.

Because anything you bought would be quicker then what we've got ;)

Nope. 7800 GTX run in SLi mode in sheer desperation (saved the second one from the scrapheap).

I can beat you all, GeForce 6600  :P. Not brilliant but I don't seem to have the fps probs you have Clive!

Al sorted now Clive....Just done a PnG reinstall and forgot to run the Terrain Patch :P
1:55.3 for me offline in the Alfa Junior.

Jolly good.
I guess that's a 1:05.3 and I'll just warn you that you will have to pedal harder because the massed ranks of VDA were on the server tonight doing 1:03s in the damn washing machines.

My times to date:
Lotus Cortina         1:05.844
Alfa Jnr                 1:05.430
Washing Machine    1:05.682
Mustang BSCC Gr2  1:05.977

Doesn't seem to matter what I drive I end up with a similar time.

PS  I really have had enough of these understeering, gutless, ankle biters with the joke gearboxes.  They are not even fun to hot lap for more than ten minutes.
I say let's have a 906-8 series.  ;D

I'm afraid I don't agree with my team-captain on this matter. The 906-8's are difficult to drive, and therefore the margin between the best drivers and amateurs like me will increase considerably.

The number of participants in events that require a lot of practice or natural talent, is bound to drop. There will always be a limited number of racers, who are actually able to fight for the podium positions, but even for them, it must be more fun wining a race with 25 participants rather than 12 !

It's impossible to distinguise yourself as being fast, unless someone else is slow  ;)

Stig / Hotkeys

LOL  at least we have next week to look forward to.

I've jus done a simulated roller skate race at Lime Rock and am happy to report that the "timed race" feature appeared to work.

On the other hand, starting the race at 1600 means that the last corner is a complete white-out [for me] and the straight and first corner are not much better.

If we have to trip over each other in these gutless wonders it would be nice to be able to see each other and where the track is. Just my thoughts, but I suspect that there will be quite enough shunts due to the different cornering capabilities of this range of cars without adding to it by playing blind-man's-buff as well.

Just came back from my vacation in Cadaquès... what a lovely place! I'll miss it so much :(
If my pc will not jokes me, I'll be ready for this one! Hope to see some people this evening on the server for some good training.

Cu soon on track! Bye!

I think it's about time that I got involved in these races. Since this will be my first SimRacing league race, I assume that I will have to choose a car from the Yellow group? If that's the case, then it's the Neptune Racing Mini Cooper 1275S  :)

Yep, thats correct Mogget. Hope to see you on Thursday.

Yup the mini would be fine... See you Thursday :)

p.s. We often get a few on the server from 9:30pm tonight or 8:30pm on wed.

Hey, Clive. I would rather drive these "gutless wonders" over a 906 any day of the week  ;)

LOL

Nah!

It's only your races on a Tuesday, when I can climb into the Cobra and E-Type, that are keeping me sane.  Well, sane.....ish!

BTW, it's the Arbarth "washing machine" that you want.

only 1:05s for me so far, with race fuel onboard. Need to find some pace me thinks.

I think we are all in the 1.05s, except the VDA guys in their washing machines in the 1.03s :o

:'(
1:06.0 in the Tina so far.
Will need to be back on tomorrow night.

Tried the washing machine last night & its as quick as the Alfa for me, 1.05.1 in both. In fact with a bit more practice with it I think the Abarth would be faster. Only thing with it is, it hates the kerbs, very easy to spin or even roll it, Alfa is quite happy over the kerbs, so I will probably go with that.

EDIT: After checking the Mini and Abarth out, it looks like I will struggle. The best I could manage after a handful of laps was 1:06.983 in the Abarth!  ???

You need to catch one of the VDA guys on the server to see how it's done.

When I watched the bloke doing 1:03s he seemed to be going into top gear on the way in to the corner after going up the hill and then holding it to T1.

The Arbarth can lap very quickly here ................  but not if it has an Alfa Jnr sat in front of it.   ::)

I did some alien-baiting on Friday and they are out gunned on the straight and really struggle to get past unless you make a mistake.  Or get hit.  ;D 

Anybody going to practice on the server tonight ?

I'm not able to join the race tomorrow, but I'd like to see, just how fast you guys get around on this great track. Just managed a one-off 1.05.100 laptime in a GT Junior.

Stig / Hotkeys

I seem to have knackered my pc playing with over clocking it ::) :laugh:, but I will be on once I work out how to fix it :-\ (or give up & install on my laptop!)

Hi guys, I've a little question for you.
My friend Gianluca (il pinguo) would like to know if it's possible for him to take a car of the yellow group (the Abarth in this case), even if he's arrived in 6th position in the previous race, and he could have the chance to drive a green group car. Thank you in advance :)

Hope to see some of you this evening for some training! Bye bye!

Pretty sure that he's allowed to drive cars in either the Orange or YELLOW group  :thumbup1:

He may NOT drive a car in the green group  :nono:

Drivers with an average finish of 6 - 14.99 are restricted to cars in the Yellow and Orange groups.  ;)

Manteos

Any driver may drive a car from the Yellow group.

Legzy,

My rig farged up too  ??? Mine is a hardware issue. The MB is no longer in production so I am forced to upgrade. What a darn shame. Going Intel this time around. Hopefully be up by Sunday.

I was going to race with you all this afternoon. I got the MINI down to 1:08's. With a little more precise driving  ::)  I think I could shave another second or two.

Well .... there is always the next race.  ;)

I'm not sure if I will be able to make it tonight guys. I need to prepare for tomorrow's race. The car needs to be dyno'd again.

Guys. To be safe, I changed the race distance from 60 minutes to 56 laps (which is approximately 60 minutes).

Well I think that bit actually works but how about the time of day setting?

See post #21

Manteos

Could you tell your team mates that the next one of them that flashes me continuously to get out of their way when their lapping me will be met with the biggest blocking driver they have ever met.

Anyone who has driven with me knows that I will get out of the way of the fast guys as soon as I can, but when I'm ready.

I get blue flags when I'm being lapped also I have XD so I generally know who is in front and who is behind me.

Thanks

That goes for me as too >:( especially when its a  corner and there's a nice straight bit after to get past safely (a bit more patience would be nice and don't expect me to jump out of the way as soon as you arrive on  my bumper)

                                                                   Cheers Ade

Indeed. Someone was asking if the blue flags were working? Tony jumped out of my way in his usual considerate fashion, as did
Alex.
Was not true for others though. I got passed while trying to lap someone and passed someone as they were getting very badly blocked
It is reasonable to move over when safe, and when you are ready, but apparently fighting for  position for most of the lap, when
someone who is much faster is trying to lap is not cricket. Um or tennis, etc etc :thumbdown:

Results & Replay in the usual places


p.s. Can somebody please tell me the forum name of "VDA Giuseppe Baldoni"

<sigh> It's so much more gentlemanly over at GTL.  ;)

LOL, Where've you been hiding young Phillip... Small world, had Dave Ashcroft on my course this week, last time
I saw him was when he worked for installations, and with Pat Barraclough.
Was a good race, had a tussle with Clive early on, then I did a long stop for tyres, and he did a short one
so i had to catch and pass again. then caught FUlvio a few from the end, as he seemed to also have worn tyres.

I've been driving round Iceland with this badge on my steering wheel:

(http://members.lycos.co.uk/philipgilliland/Chevrolet-logo.jpg)

Unfortunately, the rest of the car looked like this:

(http://members.lycos.co.uk/philipgilliland/P1010044.jpg)

Yes Matt, I had worn tires, didn't change them at pitstop, but you caught me cause I got distracted by Clive's car frozen in the middle of T1 and went wide loosing almost all the gap on you, not Clive's fault of course. Then I got nervous and went too deep on T2 and you went easily over.
Clive I think I did a sort of dive bomb pass at T1 in the first part of the race, it was OK for you? I saw that you went wide.  ???

About lappers/lapped cars, I think it's useless to push (no contact) and flash a backmarker at T5 when you pit at the end of the lap, we have both lost time.  ;)

Sorry Legzy, I don't find results and replay. Can you link me them?

Must be OK because I can't remember it.  I did a similar move on Geoffers but I have no replay to see what happened in either case.

There were some moments of fun but it was largely a tedious race in a tedious car.  The screen freeze with eight to go was a blessed release.

I managed a decent pit stop, which is more than Simon did as he couldn't find his pit crew.  He was one of the last to enter the server and his place in the paddock was in uncharted territory.  Perhaps we exceeded the track capacity for pit spaces.

PS  Grats podium and great drive by Ade in the mini.

I couldn't see it either.

Sorry chaps, I gave the replay the wrong date, but it's the only Lime Rock one there. (I'll correct the zip file name a bit later).

As a late comer I was too in uncharted territory, but I tried a pitstop in practice to see where my pitcrew was.
During my pitstop in the race I was lucky to  nail them cause they appeared at the last moment and I almost miss them, or maybe I was too fast in the pitlane  :angel:
Ciao

Awesome american muscle car Phil  ;D
Yes I remember coming across a frozen Alfa in T1, I think I bumped it slightly, only a minor deflection though
I was mightily impressed with Legzy's pace in the Elite, and Ade in the mini, I tried them and could not better 7s

Undoubtedly!

Did you tell your pitcrew that you were coming in for a stop?

If you give them at least half a laps notice of you pending arrival, they will be out and ready for you. Mine have a VaT ready chilled for me.  :D

I agree with Claude

Continuing my downward decline, I soon over achieved myself by being last after the opening laps in one of the fastest cars.  ::)

Only the misshaps of others camoflaged my miserable performance.

The absolute highlight of the whole sorry affair was a lovely fair scrap with Tim which lasted for quite a few laps. I did pass him once at T1 but gave the place back as I felt I had performed a block on him and he's such a nice chap I simply couldn't go on thinking I'd mugged him of a place. Did eventually get to pass him again after some confusion with lepers lappers. Tried to catch Alex and got within seconds of him before the race ended.

Yeah I did enjoy our scrap Tony, I've not had so much fun in coming last for ages  :thumbup2:

I had a storming start, blasted past about 6-7 cars into turn 1... rather than let everyone else go first I decided to just go for it  :o

The pit stop was a disaster, I requested a stop but the blue light never came on and went into the pits but my pit crew were in the pub, tried again the next lap and they were frantically running along pit lane with tyres, and in the confusion I forgot to cut the engine....  :'(

Not surprisingly I was last, but Tony wasn't far ahead so had a fun ding dong battle with him, although with lapping cars made it tricky, just wish some lappers would show a bit more patience, don't expect me to jump off the racing line just to let you pass, or nudging me in the middle of a turn will make me move over  >:( *rant over*

Pity we didn't get more variety, the muscle cars are just not competitive here  :(

I read your posts, and I agree with you that it's totally wrong to press a driver that is being lapped with the headlights, because it's very annoying, and I use my headlights only to thank a lapped driver that let me pass fairly. So I can imagine, that you was referring to some other teammates, and even if I didn't check the replay yet, I'll surely report this fact again to the VDA guys.

At the opposite, I've to say that even if I wasn't lighting someone, overtaking a lapped driver has been a really hard and dangerous stuff... I had no troubles with Tim Robey and Alex_vv, that were really fair in their lapping procedures, but I saw something really wrong by another driver, and I don't understand yet why he was fighting with me to defend his position even if he was under lapping by me... 3 laps to lap someone are so much guys, and at the same time you risk to compromize both driver's race, to defend a position that you shouldn't defend. Nobody is saying that you have to throw yourselves out of track, but if the driver that is lapping is side by side with you, I expect that you will NOT pull the brake. You will lose only 2-3 tenth of second if you lift up slightly your gas before the brake, and both the drivers risk so much less, if you let to pass a driver that is 2-2.5 seconds faster than you every lap. I had to avoid an accident 4-5 times, only because a lapped driver didn't want to lift up a bit his throttle, and instead of gaining something by our duel, he even lost pretious seconds and his position (in advantage of Legzy  ;)). Evenmore in that duel I broken my suspention because, to avoid his Alfa dancing on the borders, I stroke him on the rear bump, going on the grass and wasting other 3 seconds.
In my opinion that's not the right way to be lapped fairly...

I always give respect to other drivers when I'm racing, and I had no troubles to wait Ade, after a questionable overtake that I judged not so fair by myself and to have a clear conscience, I tried to pass him again fairly before the end of the race (that ended 2 laps before than it should  :'( :'(). So even if he passed in front of me for .033 seconds on the checkered flag, at least I have the certainty to have done the right choice :).

If you prefere, we can discuss better in TS about that things, because I think that writing on the forum, is not ever the best solution, and I don't want to create any misunderstanding. You know that I always say what I think, so I excuse again for the "flashing" VDA mates, but I would like to speak with you to understand which is the moment in that you think it's safer to let the overtake of a lapper. Evenmore, you would have no response by the VDA guys, cause I can't let him to explain something with the king of misunderstanding... Mr. Google Translator ??? ???

P.S. I have to thank you so much If I learned something about gentleman's racing, but all my VDA mates are gentlemans too, and there are probably some things to improve yet, but they're on the right road ;). If they were flashing you, it was without the intention of not being respectful of you, but only because they were playng so close for the 1st place... It's in the human nature to try to save some tenths during a lap manouvre, but at the same time I agree with you that flashing so much it's too annoying, and I would like they won't have the same behaviour for the next time ;).

Cu :)

Had a good 15 laps battling with Clive & Ade not too far behind, then lost control braking for T1. I must have found a hole in the barriers, because rather than glance off them, I went straight through into the void, race over  :'(

Congrats to the podium, awesome pace from Ayrton & Lele in the washine machines  :o & great pace from Legzy in the Elite.

At least I am good at something  ;D

Personally I use the pit board to gauge which car I have a battle with. Leader running with lights on is also a big help.
Blue flags don't work most of the times and don't have the time to use XD due to limited information processing capacity in the brain  ???

Had a nice scrap with Sandor early on. Then  I was desperately trying to keep W. Tony behind me and was saved by the bell  8)
Would not have lasted another lap..

You are a gentleman Manteos, in every ways.  :)

It was funny that, the only car I was comfortable in was the Elite here & I just kept getting faster :o ;D

Had some close (too close sometimes) racing all through.

With regards the flashing while lapping:
I finished 4th & unbelievably I was getting flashed by a few drivers from the moment they got within about 1sec behind. Finishing 4th, it's not like I was hanging about ???
The flip side of that is that some drivers (certainly not all) made it stupidly hard to lap them ::) but still I only ever flashed a 'thanks' or a 'sorry' once I was past.
Lapping drivers, please stop this insane automatic flashing. It's nothing but rude.  >:(
While the person being lapped has every right to stick like glue to the racing line, if you then start blocking then expect to be flashed I'd say :-\

Anyway, see you all in two races time. :)

Sorry for the delay of my answer, but I went 3 days at the seaside... Now my vacations are definitely over... However the forum name for VDA Giuseppe Baldoni is "Argo".
Cu soon :)

Thank you all for your beautiful champ was very entertaining battle. the next ;)