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We remain in France for race eight. In the Works Al H leads FMG and Hristo while over in the Privates Vos leads Billy and Mike T. Both championships are still wide open with three races left.

Race List = IGOR
Server = UKGPL_T7_2
IP address = 62.149.202.168
Race date = 04-07-2010
Time = 21:00 UK time
Track = Rouen
Variant = 67F1
Damage Model = PRO
Qualifying time = 35 minutes. Don't start until 30 mins left on clock to allow everyone to join.
Race length = 50 minutes (laps 25)

Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R;group=248;theme=6)
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Chassis costs;
Lotus 20 / Eagle 17 / Ferrari 15 / Brabham 10 / Cooper 5 / Honda 3 / BRM 0

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The Championship is split into two sub-divisions, namely Works and Privateers. The driver split will be;

WORKS drivers

Phil T	Evil	John R
Tim FMG	Steve Bird	Göran Jonsson (R)
Al H	Bartosz (Pod)	King Hero
Rick	Baab	Hristo (R)
Sam B (R)	Fulvio P (R)	Ruud Savelkoul (R)
Dwarf Car Driver (R)	Doni Yourth (R)

PRIVATEERS drivers

Bernie	Burtoner	Mike Turner
Vosblod	Bookie W (R)	Billy
Fabio (Il Lupo)	Rafael Mestdag	Graham (R)
Pete Maestro (R)	Nigel Smith (R)	D Rock (R)
Hannah (R)	Ronnie Peterson (R)	Maddog
Gilles27 (R)

67 Patch: The 1.3 Release of the 67mod can be used.

NOTE: In the event of more then 19 entrants a second grid will be run for the Privateers on ukgpl.5. (ping myjamesonline.net) Instructions will be provided in the chatroom – please ensure you join the correct server, due to the way we import if you start the race on the wrong server your result will not count. If you can try to make sure you are in the chatroom by 8.50pm this will enable a decision without any delays to the start time.

From its opening in 1950, Rouen-Les-Essarts was recognized as one of Europe's finest circuits, with modern pits, a wide track, and spectator grandstands. The circuit (which ran on public roads) had a few medium straights, a cobbled hairpin turn (Nouveau Monde) at the southernmost tip, and a few blind corners through a wooded hillside. The appeal was greatly enhanced by the climb from Nouveau Monde at 56 metres to Gresil at 149 metres. Rouen hosted five Formula One French Grand Prix races, the last one in 1968 resulting in the tragic burning death of Jo Schlesser. The circuit continued to host major Formula 2 events until 1978, after which it was used for various French Championships. The circuit was closed down in 1994 due to economic and safety reasons. In 1999, following the circuit's closure, all evidence of area's racing past was demolished, including grandstands, pits, Armco and track signs. The cobbled Nouveau Monde hairpin was also asphalted but it is still possible to drive around on the original circuit configuration.

PS: If anyone has noticed a 'blank' for the race on 25 July (race 9) I can confirm this event will be at Carthage 35 (http://srmz.net/index.php?showtopic=1436) - srou wll be updated in due course

I'd like a go at this one, if there's room. I've voted on the registration thread.

Ross

Slotted you into Privateers...

Cheers Vos. Looking forward to having a go with the big beasties for the first time since joining UKGPL, so far it's been 65s all the way. Plus Rouen is an awesome track to drive them on.


Ross

What a cracking race 

Front row start with Vos on pole , I was all set to fall in behind the pole man but when the flag dropped Vos bogged down and I found myself drawing ahead , my car snaking a little off the line , didnt want to back off because of the following pack , seems we touched and that was race over for me vos and most of the field by the look of it .

Will let the mods decide who was wrong who was right , but have a bad feeling about this  :-[

Maybe I could have avoided the kiss if only I could  have stayed more to the left hand side .

sorry to all those whos'e race was rouened  :-[ :-[ :-[ 

I was outclassed in qually, couldn't get anywhere near my PB and ended up last on the grid.  Started steady and tried to stay in touch with the pack.  Had a slide at Scierie and got in Steve's way we touched and Steve went out in a ball of flames.  Sorry mate, there must have been some warp there for you to explode like that.  After that struggled on for a few laps but suspension must have been damaged.  After a couple of offs decided to retire before I got lapped.  Didn't want to get in the leaders way; Rik and H were approaching, looks like they were having a good battle.

Shame! I qualified about 4th from back for a change! Messed up slightly on L1 and ended up running along the bank after Sanson and waited to rejoin at the back.  Followed Phil when he half span at Scierie exit and I couldn't avoid, car flipped and I got fried!

Phil - No worries matey, racing incident :) Yes a warp flip I think! 8/10 for artistic impression I think!  :D

In qual I've beat my PB and I was 3rd.

Race started ok. I was behind Rick and I could keep his pace. Afther few laps Tim(FMG) catch us. On main straight Tim decided to attack me and we were 2w in T1. I was on the outside, but on straight I was in front. At that time I was sure that Tim is behind me, so I decided to get back on racing line. That was big mistake, because Tim's Lotus was a lot fasther than mine he catch me exactly in a moment when I was returning into racing line. we collided and we both were out of the race.

I'm really sorry about that Tim. I feel very bad about what happened.

Got my first pole  :taz:
Unfortunately there was no race for me...

Well another DNF but I feel better about this one than most others.  I got P2 on the grid with a lap only 1/10 off my Eagle PB.  Just squeaked by Bartosz by 0.02 sec.  As I recall Hristo was about a second faster.  Got a decent start and fell in behind H.  Trailed him closely on L1 as we let the heat get into the tires.  I figured he'd gradually pull away and it would be a race between me and Bartosz for P2.  But after a few of laps I was keeping up with H.  I was hesitant to pass him because I didn't want the pressure from an obviously faster driver.  I think he was playing with me.  And in the process I wasn't able to gap Bartosz, which in hindsight didn't matter because he fell completely off my radar a few laps later.  Well after about 6 or 8 of trailing and H dangling it in front of me I just had to go for it.  The Honda was no match for the Eagle on that loooong back straight (especially with a draft) and so I was able to pull it off.  Had the lead for about 8 or 10.  Any gap I made on H he easily erased.  I must say H kept it fun for me and I appreciate that.  We had a few dicing moments and we both kept it clean.  I was able to do the ol' over-under once when he braked late and over shot the corner just a little.  But after a while he tired of watching my tail pipes and put good passing move on me.  So now I was trailing as I expected and was just driving along with a solid P2 in sight... right up until the ol' engine when ka-blam.  Dang!  I thought I was nursing it well.  I did have one accidental speed shift early on and maybe that set it up to fail.  But as I said, it was a fun race despite my sad ending.  I'm in contention for nothing.  Fun is all I have to race for.

Congrats H!  And also to the rest of the podium.

I qualified a good deal slower than the front runners and was not expecting a great deal from the race. But equally I was not expecting half the field to succumb before T1. Fortunately I was on the right of the track and was able to squeeze past the carnage behind RP who then had an off at the end of the long straight leaving me in P1. I had a bit of a wobble at the last turn and FL made a neat pass to claim P1 but had an off shortly after putting me back in P1. Cars seemed to be falling off behind me at a steady rate and  and I found myself with a surprisingly comfortable lead and only 23 laps to go! :scared: I had to fight off the lapses of concentration that inevitably occur when you do lap after lap without seeing another car but found myself starting to think 'Maybe, just maybe'. Unfortunately it was not to be when on L22 the screen started to stutter and slow down for some reason (IPS bandwidth throttling maybe?)) and I went off leaving RP as the sole survivor.

Note to Hannah: Please quit if your engine  blows. Coasting along on the racing line with a dead engine isn't a good idea. :eek:

I had a great race with Rick and no, I wasn't playing with you, Rick. I guess you're not aware, but driving the Honda takes a bit of a different approach, especially at the start of races. You have to look after the engine quite a lot and also the tires. If you overheat them too soon, it's nearly impossible to cool them down unless you slow down a lot.

Anyway, after making a so-so start I kept my lead, but Rick, Tim and someone else were very clear in my mirrors. I was mostly focusing on getting my exits right, especially those leading onto the longer straights. Rick's Eagle seemed flat out through that fast long right hander on the backstraight even on full tanks while I had to lift up to make it through.

He slipstreamed me a couple of times but I could fend him off by braking late and going around the outside of the hairpin. This didn't last for long and eventually he had a much better run and braked for the hairpin a car length ahead of me, so I lost the lead.

I was worried at the time because he started to open a gap despite my best efforts, but after 2 laps I managed to adjust to a quicker pace and reel him in. It was one thing closing up to his Eagle but quite another making any successful attacks.

One of those almost succeeded but I braked too late for the hairpin, went wide and he regained the lead by going on the inside. It was quite fun battle while it lasted, for nearly half the race. Eventually I found a way past and pushed as hard as I dared, going half car width onto curbs and runoff areas, but it worked and Rick dropped 2-3 seconds back.

Suddenly he disappeared and now I just had to bring it home which I did. There was a small trouble with Tom near the end as he lost it in front of me going into the hairpin and perhaps I should've eased off and not pressure him, but the lap felt good up to then and so I wanted to complete it. It turned out to be my fastest lap.

Grats to Evil for a great pass right at the finishing line to take 3rd and also to Al for 2nd! Sam did great in the BRM too, running 3rd for half of the distance and keeping in contention if anything would happen to those in front of him.

Cheers,

-=Hristo=-

Re: the start of the Privateers destruction derby at Rouen

Has everyone read this???

Racing Etiquette
All drivers are expected to familiarise themselves with the GPLAC Recommended Driver Behaviour.

When starting, each driver must make sure they keep their car straight and fully in control.

Only joking, tough break for you two considering the championship standings and MT picking up good points. Special mention for Hurricane Hannah, it was a pleasure just to see and hear someone else on the way round. Really sorry you and so many did not make it to the end but hey thats racing.

Roll on the next one!

Ronnie , problem is how to know the car isn't under control until its out of control , iyswim .

Looking again at the replay , not sure if my wobble was the real cause. What I forgot in the excitment of being on front row start was that the track gets narrower after the start line , but In my position on the left side I couldnt see that , whera's Vos would not be able to use the full width of track . The problem was with his slow start , I didnt want to ease off and cause those behind me to have to slow to avoid a collision and thus a concertina accident . Even so we shouldnt have touched and if I did the same start again i would have kept 2 wheels in the gutter  .

Cant blame Vos he was driving straight ahead , feel very sorry for wrecking his and your race and my own chances as well , unfortunately words wont mend what happened , time will .

If its any consolation my first ever UKGPL pole ended in almost the same way, so I think I know how gutted the lad feels .
   

T'was a lovely day for racing at Rouen, the birds were twittering . . . the cars were flying.  Only, "Excuse me, just a sec. . . . why didn't someone tell me, I'd need a pilots licence to do this stuff!!?"

Arrived in la belle France, to be greeted by a healthy field of young hopefuls, all blissfully unaware of the tragedy to unfold.  Decided to join them in spins around small sections of the track.  Then somehow, made an inadvertent inspection of the black stuff, which landed me 4th on the grid.  And off we went. :angel:

Holding station towards the 1st right hander, I was well positioned to witness the horrors to come.  Ths 2 front running Loti, gleefully started a mating dance, and blocked the track.  I threw out the anchors, and the inevitable swarm came buzzing from behind.

I confess to being unaware, of the lovely views to be had of the Rouen countryside, once above treetop level.  A double dose of Brabhams, unable to stop, enlightened me as to its wonders!!  My stay was all to brief, but a race had still to be run.  Bernie kindly offered his helmet as a landing pad, and off I went again, trying not to look at the ghastly carnage, I had somehow escaped. :o

Sorry Bernie, you might still have been roadworthy if I'd landed more softly, but haven't had much practice with these 67s.  And no blame to those following from me, as I was in a better spot to try to de-conflagrate.

After my scenic flight, I dueled briefly with Maestro, and reached as high as 2nd towards half distance.  With gauges looking good, I put in a fast lap, to shake Ronnies horizontally flying Ferrari, but t'was not to be.  A bad shift and I was out of propellant.

An eventful event, but sad to see so many leave, so young - GPL nature can be cruel!

I don't want to get into a forum debate but I would say I was in control and driving correctly, if someone can get the drop and pull in front of me good for them. All I would say is take a look at the replay in both cars.
No hard feelings, that's racing and we both lost out - sorry for Billy and Nigel who I think had to take an early bath as well.

Another enjoyable outing. I managed to qualify 8th, about 3.5 seconds off H's epic time, made a half decent start, passed Clive after he had a bit of a tankslapper out of the first bend and also Steve once his Eagle's rear decided it wanted to swap ends. Soon afterwards Clive passed me with his superior pace and proceeded to hound Al in the Brabham, but Clive went a bit too deep into Nouve Monde and gave Al a playful tap into the hairpin, spinning him round and left Clive airborne. After watching this with a grandstand seat, I thought I could sneak though only for Clive to rudely land on my car!  ;D.

Nevertheless, the BRM soldered on without a trace of damage. Clive once again caught me and after I had a bit of a moment out of the first bend we were side by side going into turn 2. I had the inside so I held my line, Clive went wide to avoid me a put a wheel on the grass which resulted in him taking a journey into the scenery. Not sure if I'm to blame there Clive as I haven't looked at the replay yet but I'm guilty then I do apologise. For few laps I was driving my own race only for Al, driving an excellent race, began to slowly creep up on me lap by lap. Eventually I cracked and braked too late into Samson, making friends with the hay bales, allowing Al through. I tried to catch him in vain but again went too deep into the turn with no name just before Samson, losing about 10 seconds, and Al in my sight.

I was soon in 3rd once again when Rick retired, but this time, I had Clive catching me up at about a second a lap. I was driving rather erratically at this point, outbraking myself, going into corners in the wrong gear, reacquainting myself with the hay bales and as a result Clive caught me with about 5 laps to go; but he made some lovely pirouettes into Nouve Monde, giving me a bit of breathing space. But my 3rd was short lived as I took the final turn a bit too steadily and Clive pounced and snatched 3rd place from me on the final straight. Cracking bit of driving there Clive  :).

Still, 4th place isn't  so bad. Congrats to H for another peerless drive. Al for a solid 2nd, Clive for a fighting 3rd and Tom for making it to the end in the other BRM (No mean feat ;)).

I dont think my comments suggest in any way that it was your fault,  or that you were not in control , The fact is I have already said my car wasnt fully under control leaving the grid . I said  "I got into a wobble" I dont know how or why , but that's what happened 

What I was saying,  or trying to say,  was that your slow (slower ) start brought me alongside you and gave me little room for any errors .

The reason we use a staggered grid is to avoid these situations but it still depends on all party's getting off the line properly.

We touched and I'm sorry , I wasn't blaming anyone , there was sod all I could do to change the situation and no use crying about it .

Not the first time this kind of thing has happened and it surely wont be the last.







 

 

This was a race where I was never meant to finish, let alone get a podium place :-\ Grats to Hristo for fending off the round eyes and to Al for denying the second spot to a Waza.

I was still sorting my setup with 5 mins of qually left, and as a result never got in a really good lap so started 6th.
The start, started well all the way to T1, where some erratic braking and maneouvring ahead obliged me to take to the grass in full avoidance mode. .....7th place :-\
Recovered and quickly closed the gap to the rear of Sam's BRM ( a sight that was to become increasingly familiar right up to the chequered flag!! ::) )
Passed Sam ( for the 1st time!) and set off after Al and his Brabham. Got past Al  after a misunderstanding about braking etiquette at Nouveau Monde and promptly threw the Honda at the scenery to allow Al and Sam to retake their positions.
Began to catch Sam ( again) and got almost alongside before developing a sudden keen interest in the quality of grip ( not) afforded by French grass!
Overdriving and a couple more incidents dropped me behind Tom by the half way point and I almost threw in the towel. But remarkably as the Waza was still apparently undamaged, despite my best efforts to re arrange the steering and suspension, I pushed on.
Prib showed that when I managed to concentrate , my lap times were fast enough to catch cars in front, so I had a cool drink up the long back straight and gritted my teeth.......SHE would expect some serious points from this race.

Tom was caught and passed, a few cars ahead succumbed to the pace and I was up to 4th but Sam was waaaayyy ahead. I decided to throw everything overboard that was not required and the fundoshi, which was heavy with sweat, had to go ;D The resultant increase in pace and the extra cooling enabled me to reel in Sam. Then a mistake halved the gap and he was in my sights.
"At this pace of closing it will be a  doddle to pass Sam before the end and take a glorious 3rd for HER" I thought.
We crossed the line with 4 laps to go and I was once again staring at a BRM exhaust system!, just waiting for the moment to sweep past......... until Nouveau Monde where I ballsed up the braking and gracefully swapped ends to park against the polos  :-\
A quick recovery and still no damage and set off again to catch those tail pipes.  2 laps to go across the S/F line and a close up of those ruddy BRM tail pipes again....ok this time wait until the braking for Scierie and pounce........except at Nouveau Monde I ballsed up the braking and ......was left 4 secs behind.!!!!!
So, pulling the white headband down over my eyes I resorted to the Waza training and drove on sense of smell. Which would also mean that I would not have to see any more BRM tailpipes!!

 1.5 laps to go and 4 secs to make up!! , but maybe I could force an error and still sneak 3rd?? Demon braking at every corner ( except Nouveau Monde on the last lap!) and absolute max revs from Nippon's finest engine and I was closing at the end of the main straight. SStill closing..... 50 yds behind coming to final corner....bugger! too far back! but banzai the last corner anyway as I can't lose 4th from here. It seems Sam was either ultra cautious through the last turn or had a "moment" but I nailed it with the tyres smoking and emerged on to the S/F straight right in his slipstream and the throttle screwed to the floor. Picked up the tow and jinked out at the very last second with the rev counter in unknown territory to just squeeze past on the line  for a 3rd spot that was never meant to happen after the first half of my race...well and the 2nd half really ::)

Don't worry too much Bart, I was proper steaming as I quit out (Had pinned Rouen as the start of my drive for the Championship - hence the Lotus finally) but I've been in your position myself and caused the exact same accident a few times so know how easy it is to do  :-[
I know you're normally a safe, concientious driver to race against so I'll just have to chalk it to experience for you. Took me a long time to learn that sometimes it's better to hold a bad line when not 100% sure than pull in without clear views of your opponent in the mirror  :)

I'm actually suprised at the pace I had in the race after the dire handling my Lotus had right through Practice. In the end I thought 'sod it' and made a bunch of huge random adjustments to springs, shocks, and diff before the race against all better judgement.
The end result was a car that was incapable of driving in a straight line but which cornered like a dream, was the first really controllable drift setup I'd developed here.
The result was you were hard to gain an advantage against on the main straight but seemed unable to even approach my cornring speeds, hence me going alongside when you messed up entering the S/F straight and deciding to continue fighting for position after T1.

I'll just have to hope My car choices for the remaining 2 races work out this time.  :)

Congrats To the finishers  :angel:

Yes Vos,  Iv'e taken a close look and would suggest you do the same  :)

I've just watched the server replay and noticed that after Bernie had spun round and was facing the wrong way, I drove straight through his Lotus with ne'er a scratch. This hadn't shown up on my client replay so presumably as far as my PC was concerned the Lotus wasn't there.

Wasn't expecting too much from this race, especially when I saw all the Lotii & Eagles lining up, but was pleased to get into the 57's in Q for 4th on the grid. Apologies to Clive for my slight stutter on the entry to T1 - I'd made a decent start right behind Bartosz & was about to turn in towards the apex when Tim sped through on the inside - nothing wrong with the pass, but it just took me completely by surprise at the very second I was about to turn in so caused me to lift momentarily.

Clive got his revenge a few laps later down into the hairpin where we once again debated the merits of early vs. late braking... by the time I'd extracted myself from the polos I'd lost 3 places so resumed in 8th. Thanks to my teammate Tom who kindly let me through into 7th, I was able to start chasing Clive & Sam straight away. After Clive took a brief jaunt into the woods, I found myself closing on Sam's tail - was very impressed to see the BRM being ushered around so swiftly & was looking for a way round when Sam ran wide at Samson which allowed me to sneak past. By this time, Tim & Bart had retired so I was up into 3rd though a long way behind the leaders. Not sure if I picked up any damage in the earlier incident but for some reason I wasn't able to match my practice times so just concentrated on getting to the finish in one piece. Congratulations to Hristo on a strong win and also to Clive & Sam for the 3rd place photo finish. Commiserations to Rick for rotten luck once again but a great show of pace while the engine lasted.

More catching up for me so here are the Statmeister results from the last two Graduates Cup events.

Round 7 was at Le Mans Bugatti where a perfect consistency score would have been 150. In Privateers Vosblod took his 2nd consistency top score of the season while over in Works Al Heller won with virtually the same score. High Climber awards for Privateers & Works went to Billy Nobrakes & FMG respectively.

Round 8 was at Rouen & a perfect score there would have been 125. In Privateers Michael Turner was top of the consistency stakes for the 3rd time this season (despite not finishing the race) while in Works Hristo took the top prize. The Privateers High Climber was Hannah who scored a +8 (despite not finishing) while Works plaudits were shared between Samb & King Hiro on +4.

Privateers Table (after Round 8 ):
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_AwMtMND4F-o/TDIDEmHBYyI/AAAAAAAAALo/YIukyFZOlyI/s1600/Privs07_08.png) 

Works Table (after Round 8 ):
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_AwMtMND4F-o/TDIDJaKa9yI/AAAAAAAAALw/M4CKyPiOvo0/s1600/Works07_08.png)

* (P) in the Climber-Meister table denotes adjustment due to Moderator Penalty
** 0.00 in Consistency table denotes average laptime deviation > 5 secs cutoff
*** 2 worst scores to be dropped
**** Drivers must complete at least 50% of the season to qualify for Climber-meister final table
***** What's this about? https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=7653.msg135854#msg135854

Moderating completed.

 :jumpjoy: