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It's on to the desert sands of Tunisia for the penultimate race of the season. A first time circuit for UKGPL it offers a, nearly, eight mile speed fest. Al H has a cushion in the Works but he can't get too comfy yet whilst, over in the Privates, things are close at the top with Vos, Mike and Billy all contenders.

Race List = IGOR
Server = UKGPL_T7_2
IP address = 62.149.202.168
Race date = 25-07-2010
Time = 21:00 UK time
Track = Carthage 1935 (Grand Prix of Tunis)
Variant = 67F1
Damage Model = PRO
Qualifying time = 35 minutes. Don't start until 30 mins left on clock to allow everyone to join.
Race length = 50 minutes (laps 16)

Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R;group=248;theme=6)
The track can be downloaded from : http://srmz.net/index.php?showtopic=1436 (http://srmz.net/index.php?showtopic=1436)
Add-on’s available at : n/a

Please be in IGOR UKGPL chatroom by 8:50 pm UK Time

Reserve drivers should not join the server until there are only 30 minutes of qualifying left. Please restrict chat to pit messages. Moderating will be by reported incidents only, however the moderators reserve the right to review any incident with a particular emphasis on lap one. The aim is to review the race the following weekend so incident reports should be submitted within five days of the race (ie the following Friday). We're hopeful most incidents can be resolved amicably and recommend a days deep breath with a replay review before posting. A sorry in the forum won't be taken as an automatic admission of guilt by the moderators.

With the token system chassis strategy will be a factor. A driver must have sufficient tokens for the chassis he drives in the race.  Any driver who does not have sufficient tokens will be disqualified from the result and his tokens will be set to zero.

Chassis costs;
Lotus 20 / Eagle 17 / Ferrari 15 / Brabham 10 / Cooper 5 / Honda 3 / BRM 0

To see your current tokens hover your mouse over your total points on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=248&theme=6). Ten tokens will be added when you cross the start line.

The Championship is split into two sub-divisions, namely Works and Privateers. The driver split will be;

WORKS drivers

Phil T	Evil	John R
Tim FMG	Steve Bird	Göran Jonsson (R)
Al H	Bartosz (Pod)	King Hero
Rick	Baab	Hristo (R)
Sam B (R)	Fulvio P (R)	Ruud Savelkoul (R)
Dwarf Car Driver (R)	Doni Yourth (R)	Beefpie (R)

PRIVATEERS drivers

Bernie	Burtoner	Mike Turner
Vosblod	Bookie W (R)	Billy
Fabio (Il Lupo)	Rafael Mestdag	Graham (R)
Pete Maestro (R)	Nigel Smith (R)	D Rock (R)
Hannah (R)	Ronnie Peterson (R)	Maddog
Gilles27 (R)

67 Patch: The 1.3 Release of the 67mod can be used.

NOTE: In the event of enough entrants a second grid will be run for the Privateers on ukgpl.5. (ping myjamesonline.net) Instructions will be provided in the chatroom – please ensure you join the correct server, due to the way we import if you start the race on the wrong server your result will not count. If you can try to make sure you are in the chatroom by 8.50pm this will enable a decision without any delays to the start time.

Between 1928 and 1955 the Grand Prix of Tunis hosted nine events. Races were originally staged in Bardo before moving to Carthage from 1931 to 1937. The 1935 race was held on 5 May being the first Formula Libre event of the season. It was won by Achille Varzi in the Auto Union Type B.

Some of you may like to know that I will be away for a few days so will have to give this speedfest a miss  :'(

Had my first practice run in my lunch break today on the game pad - I'm expecting high attrition rates  ;D


That said it's a nice circuit once you get the hang of where it's going  8)

For info Beefpie will be joining the Works drivers, race post updated

thats a shame Bernie isn't racing, he would enjoy chasing a pie around track  ;)

welcome Joe

Mmmm, Pie......  :tt1:

MotoGP in Laguna Seca for me tonigth
Have you all great fun mates

Arghh! Trust GPL to completely lock up in time for a league race, never ever does that usually.  >:(

Hope I didn't cause any pile up during my unspectacular exit.

Hope you had a good race all, starting to wish I could've gone for an Eagle now, I was lapping 1.57s in practice. :)

See you all at the Glen hopefully!

Well, there goes any chance of challenging Al for the championship.
Slammed into the wall on the 2nd corner  >:(

The curse of my internet connection strikes again. For some reason it decided to cut out entirely for two minutes, when the qualifying session finished! Shame about that, though I didn't have the pace of the frontrunners. Still, it would have been good fun hauling the BRM around Carthage for the rest of the race. Time for Loot and his men to pack their bags and rejoin the next race stronger than ever!  ::)

Sorry Goran.  Under pressure from Bob and Steve so I went wide on the Esses bit (don't know what it's called).  Thought I'd got it under control and edged back towards the track but I did a downshift and I lost control and spun back onto the track taking out Goran.  Very sorry about that, I should have backed off a bit more but I was worried about getting bogged down in the sand :(.

Second so pleased and WD Ronnie on a perfect drive - no chance of catching you. And WD to us both for being the only finishers in what felt like an endurance race.
A long race of attrition but no spins and still in with a shout at the top spot so a good race for me, was pleased to see the chequered flag though.

PS: sorry re confusing you all with the Teamspeak server - a slip of the mouse with the guys we share it with.

very exciting in lead with H betwen 50 and 250 yards behind me. then with 5 laps to (the gap increased after been close to contact after 6-7 laps)I go wide and spin in the fast righthander that comes after the slow righthander. must see replay to understand what I did. tried to provoke to go out there after the race but didn t no matter what angle I entered.luckily I ve stopped smashing things( I have a hole in the wall I made after going out in indycar2 mid ninetees)but I can forget about sleeping. gz with confident driving H

I'm frustrated by my own lack of performance in the race. I didn't get anywhere near my practice times & made mistakes where I'd never previously screwed up - no idea what was wrong with me but I had the pace to do better :-\

Another poor start by me but a plethora of lap 1 retirements elevated me to 3rd behind Tom & Hristo. Was pushing to catch them & somehow outbraked myself at T2 - was very fortunate to survive a brush with the barrier but that dropped me down to 6th & I set off in pursuit of Rick & Clive. Passed Rick when he spun & then had a very enjoyable battle with Clive until he too had a minor mishap which allowed me through into 4th. I managed to reduce the gap to Bartosz in 3rd & finally caught up with him, but then made a stupid mistake at the fast left-hander towards the end of the lap which dropped me back again. Pushed hard to catch Bart once more but I guess I was pushing a bit too much as the engine blew up with a couple of laps left. That was extra annoying as I'd practised with PRO settings & not lost one engine.

Congrats to H - 4th win in a row is pretty devastating form. WD also to Bart & Evil for the podium. Gutted for Tom who seems to be turning into our own Chris Amon with the kind of luck he has while leading a race  :(   

Judging by previous posts and the number of retirements, my opinion of this circuit was correct.
I struggled to get a fast setup for the Waza and was a good 3-4 secs off the pace with my best laps, but I was sure that this circuit was one of those that would punish any error,so decided from very early testing that survival was going to be my tactic.

I'm not sure if it is the long straight sections followed by corners that invite you to try and carry more speed than is prudent, or the slippery surface, but in testing I found it sooo easy to stuff the car into the bales at T2 or run wide onto the sand on the fast sweeps.
I set up deliberately high ratios in the gearbox and was careful to avoid stressing the Wazaturbine, in fact 1st gear was so high that I figured my riskiest moment would be getting off the line!! but it gave me a safe 1st gear for T2 on full race fuel ( later in the race when the huge fuel load had reduced I was taking that in 2nd).
At the start the "Wild Bunch" vanished into the heat haze and as I knew it would take a couple of laps to coax my tyres up to temp, I followed Mr Nauman (who had geared his non Waza Honda for some serious speed on the straights!!) for a few laps until he made a mistake and gave me the opportunity to get the inside line into T2.
Cars dropped out ahead and I slowly climbed the leader board. I spotted Al rejoining the circuit after a quick sand castle building break and held him at bay for a few laps. But, it was obvious that his Eagle was a few seconds a lap quicker that I was prepared to push for and eventually I screwed up the entry to the last hairpin and ran wide allowing him through.
It looked like the cars in front were settled into their places and 5th was as good as it was going to get :-\ with about 6 laps to go. Then Al dropped off the radar and I was 4th, but Hristo and Tom were out of sight and Bart was too far in front to mount any sort of challenge. I was running last of the 4 cars still in it and almost quit, but pride in HER car made me look to finish the race and prove what superb machines her two Wazas were.  ::)
Last lap and I see what looks like a camel limping across the track in the distance, but it turned out to be a wounded Eagle with Tom on board just half a lap from the finish!! At first i thought he was recovering from a spin and that his pace would keep him in 3rd. But it seems he had more serious problems and he pulled over to let me pass and pick up the last podium spot, which made it 2 wazas on the podium ;D ;D ;D. far better result than I had hoped for and some valuable ponts for the team champs!! ;)

Grats to Hristo and Bart, and hard luck Tom after a great race for the lead.

I had a strange experience.
My qualifying was really slow compared to what I had practiced although it felt like I was moving at a good pace. I was shocked to see my times and I had one chance to try again and I moved up two positions to 5th almost three with no time left.
I was in the start sequence and I could not select any gears! Something is not configured properly because I was doing fine in the practice server and the qualifying or I had a delay and the server might have been busy dropping cars in and would have selected my gears eventually? I don't know.
So disappointed.

Has this happened to anybody else because I would not want to miss Watkins Glen.

Hannah,
Had a similar problem at Mosport where I couldn't engage first gear on the starting grid. It came back after a few seconds later. Only ever happened the once.
As far as the race was concerned it's somehow comforting to blame the server connection, rather than my driving. The server lost me about 3 laps in, continued for another 3 or 4 until I got a disco. Quallified P3, Ronnie & Vos were a class apart but I had a reasonable gap over 4th. Took the Lotus for a change but found it very temperamental off the start line. Mike nipped ahead off the line but I slipped past when he span on Lap 2. Was hoping for a 3rd palce (barring any incidents) but my connection had other ideas.
Off on hols tomorrow & will miss the Glen. Although turn outs were a bit thin I have greatly enjoyed the Privateers this season - thanks for the racing.
... Billy

I didn't have much hope for this race after realizing that we're racing Carthage 1935 and not 1936 which I had installed and had experience with some time ago in oAo, with Ferrari.

By the time I downloaded and installed the correct version there were just 20 minutes left, so I copied over my Spa setup, adjusted some gears a bit to space them out more evenly and went off to try and figure out the track in the reminded of the session.

There was no point going cautiously so I took full advantage of the fact that we can esc-enter and restart during Qualifying. I kept crashing on each of my first few attempts, especially at T1 and T2. That helped me to test the gears though and I made some further adjustments.

On my last run I managed to set and then improve my lap time, but it was not a match for the pace of the Tim and Tom duo. Setting 1st gear for the start was tricky as I wanted it long enough for the last corner, but short enough to make a good start. As it appeared, I set it more for the corner...

Dropped down the revs too early on the start, despite reacting quickly as the green flag fell. That left Evil with no room to go behind, so I could see him lifting up while waiting for me to pick up speed. All that allowed Bob to line up alongside on the right and we went into T1 like that.

I braked a bit later and opted for the outside line. I think I left enough room but saw Bob spinning under breaking very close to my car; I assume he braked a bit too deep while turning in and the fact that he had to stay inside to avoid hitting me was the cause of his spin.

By the time Tim and Tom were more than a second ahead, but then Tim went into the wall and I was up to 2nd. From there on it was a very tough chase on Tom who was driving superbly and his Lotus had the upper hand on acceleration, so I was losing time out of every corner and my only chance was to take big risks on corner entry and trying to get the power down as soon as possible.

This lasted for the majority of the distance and the gap between us fluctuated between 1-2 seconds. It was quite intense as every little mistake led to and increase or decrease of the gap, so we were trying to balance between taking risks and being consistent.

I had a big moment at the esses in the middle of the races - braked a bit too late for the right hander there, lost the rear and just as I was about to spin around, the rear left wheel touched the wall and that straightened up the car, so I lost just about a second to Tom.

I thought I lost my chances right there as it was nearly impossible to close up the gap to him, but then he had his spin at the long right hander in the middle of the lap and dropped back. From there on I just kept my pace without taking too much risk, but was worried about the fuel load.

According to my pre-race calculations I had put JUST enough fuel, so I was checking the fuel pressure gauge frequently, but it turned out that I had 19 liters (worth more than 2 laps) of fuel left at the end. That must've cost me some pace in the race, just enough to let Tom snatch the fastest lap by a few hundreds of a second.

Anyway, it was great to win a 4th in a row and I can see why Al is worried - it seems others have bad luck and that works in my favor and against him. It's nice to have the last race decide it all though. Commiseration to Tom for his bad luck, he drove really great before his off and was most likely going to win.

Grats to Evil for making it to the podium - SHE will be pleased!  ;D

I didn't have enough tokens to 'buy' one of the faster cars so had to settle for the Brabham. I managed a good start for a change and  swapped places a few times with Billy and Bookie as a consequence of each others' mistakes. This is a deceptively simple track that bites back if you make a mistake and I eventually ended up in the barrier unable to extricate myself. Still I managed to scrape enough points together to ease myself into second place in the league so it could be an interesting final at Watkins.  

I've been having a few problems since reinstalling W7 a few days ago - Pribluda isn't working and I can't get the Logitech profiler to install so no FF and no clutch pedal. Which is a bit strange as they both worked without any problems when I originally installed W7 and GPL is on a separate partion not affected by the re-installation. Hope to have it all sorted before Watkins even if it means another re-installation :(

L1 was eventful when we went into T2 (or T3 depending how you count it) to find a car stuck in the barrier, never saw a yellow so first thing I saw was the car.  I think it was Phil tried to avoid and I clipped him as we tried to get through the same bit of tarmac together, which sent my car tumbling across the infield, fortunately landing the right way up!  I think Phil got away ok, bit if not, sorry for any delay mate!

That threw any chances of hanging with the faster guys up front but placed me in a nice tussle with Phil, Goran and Bob.  We were all doing a bit of an accordion act when Bob just tagged the back of my car into the final hairpin after a server induced cloaking device kicked in.  We got through OK but a little down on Phil.

If I recall, Bob got through after I ran wide and chased Phil down.  Phil ran wide at the esses and had a bit of a mare on rejoin collecting Goran, which was a shame as it could have been a race long too and fro.  Bad luck guys.

With not a lot to lose I pushed and tried to re-catch Bob and seemed to be making a little progress until I ran wide a T1 and went into the concrete sticky out bit; the car stayed in one piece again but the engine cried enough, I tried to carry on with a lovely plume of black smoke trailing, to see if it might by some miracle clear itself but about a mile or so on it gave out in total.

WD Podium and finishers.

Thanks Vosblod for your kind words and congrats for tightening your grip on the championship. I knew If I got ahead at the start I had a chance. In the final few laps just when I thought I might fall asleep at the wheel a Honda appeared in the the middle of the track and that certainly woke me up to hang on for the win.

Interesting circuit, which I seemed to make a bit of progress on but in the end was way off the pace.  I decided to stick with the trusty brabham safe in the knowledge I'd be at a disadvantage on the long straights!?  Had a good start but lost it a few corners later and rejoined last.  It was fun catching & battling with Goran, Steve and Phil, had some lag or summat and accidentally tagged Steve into the hairpin, sorry about that.

In the end my power settings turned off my monitor and I stacked it before it powered back-up.  At the time I wasn't too disappointed because I was the last runnerin 6th and couldn't catch Clive, but I have since read about the other retirees, so suppose there may have been a chance of 4th!!

 At the time I wasn't too disappointed because I was the last runnerin 6th and couldn't catch Clive, but I have since read about the other retirees, so suppose there may have been a chance of 4th!!
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Old Waza proverb
    " Never give up and NEVER surrender"  ;D    coz you cannot be sure until the fat lady sings.

And trust me, when Mabel Glutbucket sings, we all know about it !!! :o

No that's from Galaxy Quest  ;) ;D

probably wasnt a good place for a comeback race!

Only got gpl sorted after some problems with it...

Got it all tested and patched in time, at least I know it all works ok now..

As for race, I hadnt practice and knew it was going to be tough, 2nd lap as well i went off at last corner as its a tight right hit the wall, and couldnt get out, race over...

Planning a much better time at Watkins Glen, one of my favourite tracks! :)

I suppose its good to be back, maybe not up to speed, but at least practice for next season!

I only done 1 65 novice race in May, but September 2009 last time i race competitively and funny enough that was at Watkins Glen  :D

Nooooo! they got it from us!!!   ;) ;D ;D

The other Waza proverb is that ALL proverbs are ancient Waza Wisdom!!  Everybody knows that  ::)

Well, not that much to say really. I only got tokens for a Ferrari or Brabham, well of cause the Honda but me and the Honda does not play so well together, besides my attempt was to  finish the race and I my preconceptions were that the most reliable car is the Brabham so the Brabham it was.

Not trying too hard in quali, did not want to get in the way of the frontrunners   ;), so 10th on the grid was just fine. Staying alive was my plan so I did not really want any car behind to start with, well it did not really work but I made sure that no one would have too big problems to get past me. Anyway it all went fine for some laps and people in front disappeared as would be expected. But of cause there is allways the unexpected, this time it was Phil that thought it was Dakar sand rally we were doing and the pressision when our path crossed were so great that it had to be destiny, and what can you do about destiny so end of race and no hard feelings Phil.

Grats to H and the podium, and I wonder Al and KH, did your misfortune has anything to do with teem orders?

Göran

   

excuse me for asking as been such a long since i come back, but isnt there meant to be seperate thread for the Privateers and the other table?

We found out how to combine the races in one thread and sometimes we run joint grids.

Moderating now completed.