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Title: UKPnG Season 3 Reverse Grid - Le Mans (Sarthe (1979-85) - Aug 5
Post by: Mike Miller on July 29, 2010, 10:27:01 PM +0100
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Practice 1: 19:20 (60 mins)
Race: 20:30 (9 laps ~40 Minutes)

There will not be a qualifying session for this race. Starting order is determined reversing the average finish position found in this  spreadsheet (http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0AgyClStz4uopdFNjeEpuWjlFMHdBcHozaUtERTgwVWc&hl=en&output=html).
Please do not go out on track during the qualifying session. Your grid order will be set by the administrator manually.
New drivers to the series will start at the rear of the field sorted alphabetical descending (keeping the reverse theme here).

Cars allowed: Porsche 906/8
Track: Virtua_LM LeMans 1979 (download (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3356.msg54521#post_lmsarthe77))
Time of Day Setting: 16:00
Weather: Dry
Start: Standing

Tyre wear: 1X
Fuel consumption: 1X
Pit-stops: none required

Server: UKPnG
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Championship standings (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=260&theme=34)

Notes:
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(3) You will need to install Power and Glory 2.0 from here (http://www.gtlw.co.uk/), 2.1 patch from here (http://www.gtlw.co.uk/) and enable terrain patch.
(4) P&G has no 'Pit Speed Limiter' function. You may go as fast as you like in the pits, but please exercise caution. Penalties will be handed out for causing contact in the pit lane. Use your best judgement when driving though the pit lane.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 3 Reverse Grid - Le Mans (Sarthe (1972-8)) - Aug 5
Post by: Mike Miller on July 29, 2010, 10:30:24 PM +0100
Like Fuji, patience will be required for this one. The Langneck is a difficult car to drive which is why it doesn't get any love. I've always wanted to try it, but it would never be competitive unless everyone uses it. So, this is your opportunity to try it. Hopefully I won't get flamed too much for bringing it out of the garage. I've been working on a setup to stabilize the back end. I'll post my setup once I'm finished with it (expect it over the weekend).

Enjoy the event guys. Practice that patience.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 3 Reverse Grid - Le Mans (Sarthe (1972-8)) - Aug 5
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on July 29, 2010, 11:01:43 PM +0100
It's Langheck Mike, Langheck.  :angel:


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 3 Reverse Grid - Le Mans (Sarthe (1972-8)) - Aug 5
Post by: goldtop on July 29, 2010, 11:51:28 PM +0100
It's Langheck Mike, Langheck.  :angel:

Or the Longass as I like to call it :)

Gotta be my favourite track this and wouldn't miss driving the 906 here for anything. Well maybe for the shortass version ;D



Title: Re: UKPnG Season 3 Reverse Grid - Le Mans (Sarthe (1972-8)) - Aug 5
Post by: Giuseppe Reali on July 30, 2010, 12:20:39 PM +0100
Hello guys, sorry if I interfere, just wanted to warn you that the Porsche 906 Langheck is the only 906 that has several problems and bugs that make it very difficult driving and will perhaps be solved with the next version of the P & G.
If I may, I would suggest to use any 906 but not this.
Greetings ;D

Giuseppe


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 3 Reverse Grid - Le Mans (Sarthe (1972-8)) - Aug 5
Post by: Sandor M on July 30, 2010, 02:31:40 PM +0100
Count me in for this challenge .
I'm a bad driver so probably I won't notice the handling problems with this car  ;D


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 3 Reverse Grid - Le Mans (Sarthe (1972-8)) - Aug 5
Post by: Alex vV on July 30, 2010, 02:49:04 PM +0100
So now I finally have an excuse for my bad performance at Suzuka (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=7673#event2038)

Count me in for this challenge .
I'm a bad driver so probably I won't notice the handling problems with this car  ;D

LOL  ;D

Gentleman Drivers to the fore!  :scooter:

 (well, for two corners anyway..)


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 3 Reverse Grid - Le Mans (Sarthe (1972-8)) - Aug 5
Post by: Mike Miller on July 30, 2010, 03:17:24 PM +0100
Giuseppe has a point. We could stage a race in the Langheck when version 3 comes out, which sounds like it is should be soon. Sorry for the stop/start, but let's switch to the 906/8 for this round and try the Langheck at a later point. I'm sure I can find a tasty track for it. Is the old version of hockenheim floating around?

Car selection has changed to the 906/8.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 3 Reverse Grid - Le Mans (Sarthe (1972-8)) - Aug 5
Post by: Clive Loynes on July 30, 2010, 04:00:02 PM +0100
The Langheck is certainly an awful contraption.  When I finally stopped it from hitting the Armco I could only manage a 4:23, about ten seconds off the AI in the normal 906.  The difference was in the Porsche curves.  The Langheck didn't want to know them.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 3 Reverse Grid - Le Mans (Sarthe (1972-8)) - Aug 5
Post by: goldtop on July 30, 2010, 04:06:53 PM +0100
Is the old version of hockenheim floating around?


I've raced the GTL version of this GTR2 '99 layout a few times  8)

http://www.nogripracing.com/details.php?filenr=4702


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 3 Reverse Grid - Le Mans (Sarthe (1972-8)) - Aug 5
Post by: goldtop on July 30, 2010, 10:18:55 PM +0100
Oh dear. Just had an hour trying to get the 906/8 round and it's a nightmare ::) PnG just isn't fun for me these days, I'll be sitting this one out aswell I'm afraid.



Title: Re: UKPnG Season 3 Reverse Grid - Le Mans (Sarthe (1972-8)) - Aug 5
Post by: Clive Loynes on July 30, 2010, 11:37:18 PM +0100
Only an hour??  I spent three hours trying to sort the Langheck and then it was cancelled!!!

Come on Tudor, let's have some true grit!

I blame that mankey team that you joined.  Obviously giving you no support or encouragement.

The SBRC baseline setup has been emailed to the faithful as of this evening.  All you have to do is sign for SBRC and all your troubles are over.  (sort of)

I'm not saying that the Porsche Curves are easy but at least I can now do a few laps without binning it.

4:10.0xx at the minute but there is another half second in the first sector that I keep throwing away in the rest of the lap.

Seeing 277kph with chin on the tank.  Anyone getting any better.

Getting some nasty black triangles appearing on the screen when it starts to get dark.  There is something about Le Mans, as soon as you start practicing it starts getting dark!


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 3 Reverse Grid - Le Mans (Sarthe (1972-8)) - Aug 5
Post by: goldtop on July 31, 2010, 09:41:16 AM +0100
Never gotten as far as Porsche Curves Clive  :) I just think it takes soooooooo long to sort these cars out to a point where I'm remotely competetive, that by the time it comes to race them I'm bored with the whole thing. I still recall the Christmas enduro here where I spent hours practicing in the 906E only to be punted into the bales at the end of Mulsanne on lap 2 by a GT40, closely followed by a disco  ::)  I'm afraid the effort/time/fun equation is just out of balance for me .

By "...that mankey team", are you by chance referring to "...that mankey team" who are second in both PnG champs and running away with both GTL champs at the mo  ;D


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 3 Reverse Grid - Le Mans (Sarthe (1972-8)) - Aug 5
Post by: Clive Loynes on July 31, 2010, 11:15:05 AM +0100
By "...that mankey team", are you by chance referring to "...that mankey team" who are second in both PnG champs and running away with both GTL champs at the mo  ;D

LOL

That's the one.  No point in having a sideboard full of silverware if the needs of the team members are being ignored.  ;D

Here at SBRC we strive to ensure that all the team are obtaining the maximum amount of enjoyment from their racing.   ::)

For example, Stig has started a web based repository for all of our setups so that we can access them when needed and not waste days struggling on our own.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 3 Reverse Grid - Le Mans (Sarthe (1972-8)) - Aug 5
Post by: Legzy on July 31, 2010, 01:31:43 PM +0100
While you could use this (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=6123.msg106130#msg106130) & have any car set up decently in 30 mins ish after a couple of attempts


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 3 Reverse Grid - Le Mans (Sarthe (1972-8)) - Aug 5
Post by: Truetom on July 31, 2010, 03:24:52 PM +0100
Who are you? and what have you done with our Legzy?

 :D


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 3 Reverse Grid - Le Mans (Sarthe (1972-8)) - Aug 5
Post by: Mark J on July 31, 2010, 03:29:24 PM +0100
oh my oh my....906/8 at le Mans  :drool:

Goldtop, how can you not peddle this car around LM ? Thought it was one of the easier cars to drive in P&G, its finding those extra tenths that will really push it !


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 3 Reverse Grid - Le Mans (Sarthe (1972-8)) - Aug 5
Post by: Geoffers on July 31, 2010, 08:25:03 PM +0100
I really wonder sometimes if the P&G cars behave differently on some peoples PCs than they do on others. I know in theory this shouldn't be the case, but like Goldtop I find the 906/8 really difficult to drive. My problem is getting it to stop in a straight line, every time I apply the brakes it just heads straight for the barriers as though only one front brake is working. Anyone else have this problem?


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 3 Reverse Grid - Le Mans (Sarthe (1972-8)) - Aug 5
Post by: Clive Loynes on July 31, 2010, 09:52:29 PM +0100
I had lots of similar problems with the Langheck.

As far as the 906/8 is concerned I moved the brake balance forward and all was then sweetness and light.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 3 Reverse Grid - Le Mans (Sarthe (1972-8)) - Aug 5
Post by: Geoffers on July 31, 2010, 11:41:23 PM +0100
I had lots of similar problems with the Langheck.

As far as the 906/8 is concerned I moved the brake balance forward and all was then sweetness and light.

OK Clive, I've tried that & it makes little difference. I got a bit of improvement by setting the front toe-in to 1.5, but I'm still having to brake very gently to keep the car under control. Daytona Cobras are easily outbraking me into Mulsanne Corner. At the moment I think I too will have to give this race a miss as I don't want to ruin someone else's race when I lose it under braking.  :(

I am going to keep working on it though.




Title: Re: UKPnG Season 3 Reverse Grid - Le Mans (Sarthe (1972-8)) - Aug 5
Post by: Legzy on August 01, 2010, 12:12:12 AM +0100
Up the coast &/or rear toe a few notches Geoffers & you could also reduce the braking % (i.e. from 100% to 90%).
Upping the front roll-bar/bump could help as would reducing the rear roll-bar/rebound.
I've not looked, but might be worth lowering the rear end if you can?

Good luck. :)


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 3 Reverse Grid - Le Mans (Sarthe (1972-8)) - Aug 5
Post by: Mike Miller on August 01, 2010, 02:15:57 AM +0100
Up the coast &/or rear toe a few notches Geoffers & you could also reduce the braking % (i.e. from 100% to 90%).
Upping the front roll-bar/bump could help as would reducing the rear roll-bar/rebound.
I've not looked, but might be worth lowering the rear end if you can?

Good luck. :)

All good advice and will help braking issues from high speed.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 3 Reverse Grid - Le Mans (Sarthe (1972-8)) - Aug 5
Post by: Clive Loynes on August 01, 2010, 11:39:05 AM +0100
Currently at 4:08.224 and I'm happy to report that the soft tyres last to the end of the race.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 3 Reverse Grid - Le Mans (Sarthe (1972-8)) - Aug 5
Post by: Legzy on August 01, 2010, 12:18:49 PM +0100
The Christmas special we did here, had been a wrong version of Le Mans (in the cogs that make this system turn) so I've just corrected it & now you can see the lap records achieved.

Looking at the race, API & Lazlow (Go Team Oldie! ;D) were both in the 906-8 & had fastest laps of 4:10... so you will likely be very competitive with a 4:08 (though I guess they were carrying full tanks & hard tyres :-\)


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 3 Reverse Grid - Le Mans (Sarthe (1972-8)) - Aug 5
Post by: Clive Loynes on August 01, 2010, 03:04:46 PM +0100
The Christmas special we did here, had been a wrong version of Le Mans (in the cogs that make this system turn) so I've just corrected it & now you can see the lap records achieved.

Looking at the race, API & Lazlow (Go Team Oldie! ;D) were both in the 906-8 & had fastest laps of 4:10... so you will likely be very competitive with a 4:08 (though I guess they were carrying full tanks & hard tyres :-\)

I think that they probably had to make three stops for fuel.  The soft tyres last well though.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 3 Reverse Grid - Le Mans (Sarthe (1972-8)) - Aug 5
Post by: goldtop on August 01, 2010, 03:25:03 PM +0100

Looking at the race, API & Lazlow (Go Team Oldie! ;D) were both in the 906-8 & had fastest laps of 4:10... so you will likely be very competitive with a 4:08 (though I guess they were carrying full tanks & hard tyres :-\)

But the '77 version also has a much tighter entry onto Mulsanne.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 3 Reverse Grid - Le Mans (Sarthe (1972-8)) - Aug 5
Post by: Mike Miller on August 01, 2010, 03:25:21 PM +0100
I didn't check to see if the 906/8 will go 9 laps on fuel. Has anybody got fuel milage numbers??


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 3 Reverse Grid - Le Mans (Sarthe (1972-8)) - Aug 5
Post by: Clive Loynes on August 01, 2010, 04:20:59 PM +0100
Starting with a full tank, I had 21.1 ltr left after nine laps Mike.  Enough for 2.4 laps.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 3 Reverse Grid - Le Mans (Sarthe (1972-8)) - Aug 5
Post by: Legzy on August 01, 2010, 04:29:55 PM +0100

Looking at the race, API & Lazlow (Go Team Oldie! ;D) were both in the 906-8 & had fastest laps of 4:10... so you will likely be very competitive with a 4:08 (though I guess they were carrying full tanks & hard tyres :-\)

But the '77 version also has a much tighter entry onto Mulsanne.
Sorry, I'm of the opinion this is the same year version as the Xmas one, am I wrong? ???


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 3 Reverse Grid - Le Mans (Sarthe (1972-8)) - Aug 5
Post by: Mike Miller on August 01, 2010, 04:57:46 PM +0100
Starting with a full tank, I had 21.1 ltr left after nine laps Mike.  Enough for 2.4 laps.

Thanks Clive


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 3 Reverse Grid - Le Mans (Sarthe (1972-8)) - Aug 5
Post by: goldtop on August 01, 2010, 04:58:56 PM +0100
Sorry, I'm of the opinion this is the same year version as the Xmas one, am I wrong? ???

We used the '77 version for the Christmas special whereas this is the '79 version. The '79 has the more open entry onto Mulsanne which makes it approx 2 secs per lap quicker.

I'll give it another go as my main problem was the car's tendency to want to kill me whenever my foot went near the brake pedal. Hope they address these silly default setups in V3. I mean so many of these cars are so awful to drive straight out of the box; can't imagine them being that bad back in the day.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 3 Reverse Grid - Le Mans (Sarthe (1972-8)) - Aug 5
Post by: Mark J on August 01, 2010, 05:50:05 PM +0100
Currently at 4:08.224 and I'm happy to report that the soft tyres last to the end of the race.

Nice time Clive, you must be really peddling to get that great time  :)  Im only upto 2:11 so far after an hours praccy. I seem to be losing my time in the twisty porsche curves or final chicanes, i just cannot seem to carry the same speed through there as the AI cars. I seem to top out 174.9mph down the mulsanne, anyone getting quicker than that? Tried lengthening the top gears but just seems to improve fuel consumption without gaining any pace and indeed then feels sluggish in 5th.

What an awesome car mod the 906/8, with that glorious wailing old racing engine sound, and oh what a track conversion  8)

ps, definitely none of the braking problems that one or two report ??? even my first laps on cold tyres are pretty stable despite throwing the anchors out at the end of Mulsanne.

re: fuel consumption:- it was recording 8.20L per lap online server, but offline its doing 8.35L per lap !  ???


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 3 Reverse Grid - Le Mans (Sarthe (1972-8)) - Aug 5
Post by: Clive Loynes on August 01, 2010, 06:17:50 PM +0100
Hmm....

Only 277 Kph on the straight for me, which I make 172.1 mph.

I shall have to have a look at that.

I also love the noise.  Sounds like a big bike!  ;D

I find "mincing" through the Porsche Curves a pain, compared to the rest of the lap.  And having to crash over the curbs at the end of the lap is just downright uncouth!  I hate chicanes where you need to bounce over curbs.  Shame we can't have the 60's track down past Maison Blanche.

@ Tudor, I didn't go anywhere near the default.  I started from the 906E setup I had for Suzuka.



Title: Re: UKPnG Season 3 Reverse Grid - Le Mans (Sarthe (1972-8)) - Aug 5
Post by: Geoffers on August 01, 2010, 08:38:11 PM +0100
Up the coast &/or rear toe a few notches Geoffers & you could also reduce the braking % (i.e. from 100% to 90%).
Upping the front roll-bar/bump could help as would reducing the rear roll-bar/rebound.
I've not looked, but might be worth lowering the rear end if you can?

Good luck. :)

Thanks Legzy, I'll give those tweeks a try. Already reduced the brake pressure & upped front bump with little effect.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 3 Reverse Grid - Le Mans (Sarthe (1972-8)) - Aug 5
Post by: Geoffers on August 02, 2010, 11:27:37 PM +0100
Well, I have spent 2 hours tonight trying various combinations of suggested setup tweeks & ............. I still can't get the damn thing to stop in a straight line. More than a sniff of brake has it squirming all over the road. Following what Clive said about having similar problems with the Langheck, I thought I would give that a try, never drove it before, oddly that seems to stop fine just loses the tail through fast bends (Mulsanne Kink). Goes through the Porsche curves OK though.

It just seems odd that some people don't have a problem with the car & others of us find it impossible to drive. I will have one more go with it before Thursday, but unless some small miracle happens I will give the race a miss.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 3 Reverse Grid - Le Mans (Sarthe (1972-8)) - Aug 5
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on August 02, 2010, 11:39:34 PM +0100
I'm only guessing but this braking issue may have more to do with pedal sensitivity settings rather than setup?


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 3 Reverse Grid - Le Mans (Sarthe (1972-8)) - Aug 5
Post by: Mike Miller on August 03, 2010, 06:13:00 AM +0100
Yes. That could be it Tony. Try adjusting the sensitivity in the controls advanced settings screen. I think the pedal set I own is a big advantage. I have an ECCI Trackstar 6000 set which is much easier to modulate the brakes over a G25 or G27 set. My kids have the G25 and G27 sets. One of these days I'll get them both to drive again.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 3 Reverse Grid - Le Mans (Sarthe (1972-8)) - Aug 5
Post by: Clive Loynes on August 03, 2010, 06:47:31 AM +0100
I find braking with the 906-8 very similar to a GPL car and have gone about it in a similar manner.

The brake pressure and balance is set so that the fronts don't lock and then I tread on the brakes to 100% and then stop the back from locking by modulating the throttle.

It is also important to let the brakes do their thing befor starting to downshift.

This car is different to other PnG cars in that I also need the help of a 60% coast side diff to keep it straight.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 3 Reverse Grid - Le Mans (Sarthe (1972-8)) - Aug 5
Post by: Mark J on August 03, 2010, 08:04:27 AM +0100
i am only using 40% coast and it stops fine. Try easing off the throttle before you start any braking to lose some energy, then give a firm progressive series of stabs, easing off the brake pedal each time rather than slamming the anchors on. I've got 61f,39r bias. Save downshifts to near end of braking procedure when most energy already gone.

.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 3 Reverse Grid - Le Mans (Sarthe (1972-8)) - Aug 5
Post by: Geoffers on August 03, 2010, 08:22:14 AM +0100
OK guys, I think the only thing left to try is the brake sensitivity settings. I've tried various different methods of braking & still can't get it to stop straight. The brake sensitivity settings may be the answer as I'm finding it all too easy to lock the fronts if I put the brake bias more to the front. I'm sort of getting Mulsanne corner sorted, but the main places I keep losing it are Indianapolis & the start of the Porsche curves where you are still turning a little when applying the brakes. The best of the few laps I have completed is a 4.20.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 3 Reverse Grid - Le Mans (Sarthe (1972-8)) - Aug 5
Post by: phspok on August 03, 2010, 10:13:07 AM +0100
I used the default setup, with slightly harder front, and 55% front bias. Any further forward and the back comes round.
I am poor with rear engines, I can;t drive them well, because I go into corners too fast, so if I can get round anyone
can with a suitable setup. 1:12.5 with full fuel and 3 laps practice. I can;t drive the GTL 906 at all, I spin on every other
down shift, this one is tricky with front lockups followed by rear lockups on downshifts. I can drive it quite fast
but I don;t feel I am "racing" I am having to be "cautious" at every bend - will it turn in? wil the fronts lock? will the back
slide this time.... Not a fun car for me.
Oh, and it matters a lot how you set the bias whether you are using auto or manual clutch, I can get round with manual
but It is a safer drive with auto for this car. I get 172 mph tops on the straight with auto or manual, though it gets up
to speed a bit sooner with manual.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 3 Reverse Grid - Le Mans (Sarthe (1972-8)) - Aug 5
Post by: Truetom on August 03, 2010, 12:43:35 PM +0100
It's blasphemy, of course, but this track is even more boring than The Green Hell. :yawn:
Have fun.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 3 Reverse Grid - Le Mans (Sarthe (1972-8)) - Aug 5
Post by: Mark J on August 03, 2010, 07:54:58 PM +0100
It's blasphemy, of course, but this track is even more boring than The Green Hell. :yawn:
Have fun.

Stone him !!...blasphemer !  :gun_bandana: :w00t:

it helps if you've been to the event, i guess...makes my hairs stand on end thinking of the place  8)


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 3 Reverse Grid - Le Mans (Sarthe (1972-8)) - Aug 5
Post by: Clive Loynes on August 03, 2010, 09:24:00 PM +0100
I think that a big part of this race will be the slipstreaming.

The straight is a bit boring on your own.  I usually have a brew handy for practice sessions so that I can have a sup before the kink.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 3 Reverse Grid - Le Mans (Sarthe (1972-8)) - Aug 5
Post by: Geoffers on August 03, 2010, 11:28:05 PM +0100
It seems I am going to have to admit defeat on this one, I just cannot drive this car  :(

If I turned up for this race it is certain I would lose control & most probably take someone else out & ruin their fun, so enjoy the race & I will see you all at Lime Rock  :thumbup1:


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 3 Reverse Grid - Le Mans (Sarthe (1972-8)) - Aug 5
Post by: Mark J on August 04, 2010, 08:03:51 AM +0100
Dont give up Geoffers, it must be a setup issue or your thumping the brake pedal too hard !

pm your email and i'll send you my setup this evening to try.  :)

Clive, dont think P&G simulates slipstreaming, though it should be present for the 70's cars.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 3 Reverse Grid - Le Mans (Sarthe (1972-8)) - Aug 5
Post by: Geoffers on August 04, 2010, 12:50:06 PM +0100
Dont give up Geoffers, it must be a setup issue or your thumping the brake pedal too hard !

And it's not just the brake pedal I've been thumping hard  :P, 6 hours of frustration with this car! As Goldtop said, I cannot believe the real car was this tricky to drive, surely its advantages over the larger engined cars of the time were its surefooted handling & ease of driving which made it & the normal 906 so successful at tracks like the Nordschleife & Targa Florio.

Anyway cheers for the offer of your setup MJ, I'll send you a PM. :thumbup1:


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 3 Reverse Grid - Le Mans (Sarthe (1972-8)) - Aug 5
Post by: goldtop on August 04, 2010, 01:09:20 PM +0100
I'll be having my road car breathed on Thursday evening, so after all that I'll be missing this one anway. Never overcame my problems with the 906/8 which is a shame because for me the 906 and 906E are a joy to drive around here.

Have fun  :)


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 3 Reverse Grid - Le Mans (Sarthe (1972-8)) - Aug 5
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on August 04, 2010, 03:55:18 PM +0100
I'll be having my road car breathed on Thursday evening

What does that mean? Is it a dogging reference?


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 3 Reverse Grid - Le Mans (Sarthe (1972-8)) - Aug 5
Post by: goldtop on August 04, 2010, 04:02:21 PM +0100
I'll be having my road car breathed on Thursday evening

What does that mean? Is it a dogging reference?

Don't know what you're talking about Tony, please explain  ;D


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 3 Reverse Grid - Le Mans (Sarthe (1972-8)) - Aug 5
Post by: Hotkeys on August 04, 2010, 06:47:37 PM +0100
I give up on this combo  :(

Too bad, since I won't be able to do another race until september.( Holiday comming up )

I also think this car is too damned tricky. I find it hard to believe, that the very successful car, which the game attempts to simulate here, was that diffult to drive IRL. A winning car is often very easy to drive, I'm told. That's what my fellow countrymen Tom Kristensen and Jan Magnusson say anyway.  :laugh:

Clive, don't think P&G simulates slipstreaming, though it should be present for the 70's cars.

P&G does simulate slipstreaming Mark, and pretty good at that IMO. I reached 288 in a good slipstream following am AI car, so Clive is probably right on that point.

Good luck with the race guys, have fun  ;D

Stig / Hotkeys



Title: Re: UKPnG Season 3 Reverse Grid - Le Mans (Sarthe (1972-8)) - Aug 5
Post by: Legzy on August 04, 2010, 08:11:01 PM +0100
even GTL does slipstream, in fact I recall GTL overcooked it a bit (too much toe gained). PnG has it at a much more sensible level of toe to be gained & from how far behind. I also think it differs from car to car, but I could be wrong on that. :-\


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 3 Reverse Grid - Le Mans (Sarthe (1972-8)) - Aug 5
Post by: Clive Loynes on August 04, 2010, 09:35:56 PM +0100
I'll be having my road car breathed on Thursday evening

What does that mean? Is it a dogging reference?

Breathed on = tuned

But what the hell is dogging?

And is it legal?


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 3 Reverse Grid - Le Mans (Sarthe (1972-8)) - Aug 5
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on August 04, 2010, 10:16:31 PM +0100
I'll be having my road car breathed on Thursday evening

What does that mean? Is it a dogging reference?

Breathed on = tuned

But what the hell is dogging?

And is it legal?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogging



Title: Re: UKPnG Season 3 Reverse Grid - Le Mans (Sarthe (1972-8)) - Aug 5
Post by: Legzy on August 04, 2010, 10:18:08 PM +0100
And is it legal?
That's enough talk of that please gents, if you're really interested do some research on Stan Collymore.


Back to the driving now. Well I've just snoozed my way round Le Mans for a couple of days hours & it is not massively exciting. 906-8 does seem to be tricky here, don't remember it being that way at other tracks :-\

Best lap was a 4:16, but that had an off in it & was probably good for a 4:12
Hope the race proves more fun then hot-lapping, I'm certain it will. :)


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 3 Reverse Grid - Le Mans (Sarthe (1972-8)) - Aug 5
Post by: Clive Loynes on August 04, 2010, 10:52:56 PM +0100
With my setups all these cars are difficult.  This one doesn't seem any worse that usual.   ::)

And what has Stan Collymore got to do with Workforce Productivity?


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 3 Reverse Grid - Le Mans (Sarthe (1972-8)) - Aug 5
Post by: H@L9000 on August 05, 2010, 01:37:08 PM +0100
I hope to join the fun this evening. :)

LOL @ that wiki link. Dogging means truancy in Scotland. ;D

'You kids been doing a we spot o' dogging again?' said the police man.

Modern socialism causes some weird pass times. ::)


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 3 Reverse Grid - Le Mans (Sarthe (1972-8)) - Aug 5
Post by: Clive Loynes on August 05, 2010, 01:47:30 PM +0100
I give up on this combo  :(

Too bad, since I won't be able to do another race until september.( Holiday comming up )


Stig / Hotkeys



Come on Stig, SBRC needs all its drivers to finish this one.  And if you can do that then you should be well in the points.

I think that you have to drive this car in strict Jim Russel Racing School syle.  Do your braking in a straight line and roll into the corner with the right amount of speed.

Don't attempt to boot it out of corners just keep it smooth.

Then climb all over the poxy curbs at the final chicanes and you have it in the bag.

The setup that you have is good for a 4:06.3 and anything below 4:10 is going to be in the hunt.

I will send you a lap and notes on my way of doing it.  [If I can remember.  It's an age thing]


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 3 Reverse Grid - Le Mans (Sarthe (1972-8)) - Aug 5
Post by: phspok on August 05, 2010, 03:50:05 PM +0100
Come now chaps...
This is not the spirit that built the empire! Or made the Vikings so popular in Europe once upan a time  ::)
I find Le Mans a bit tedious, and I hate any 906 with a passion but I intend to be there.  :boat:
I am building a new PC at the moment, It might be ready for it's inaugral outing, if not I'll use the
old one and hope that Nvidia gremlins stay silent.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 3 Reverse Grid - Le Mans (Sarthe (1972-8)) - Aug 5
Post by: Clive Loynes on August 05, 2010, 04:56:55 PM +0100
I can see why Legzy was getting confused earlier over which track we are using.

The race announcement says this in the heading:
UKPnG Season 3 Reverse Grid - Le Mans (Sarthe (1972-8)) - Aug 5
Which sounds like 77 to me.

It says this in the body of the announcement:
Track: Virtua_LM LeMans 1979

The spreadsheet says:
LeMans 1977

And the server is running Virtua_LM LeMans 1979, which is what we are all practicing.  I think.

Hope it is 1979.   ::)

And what do we need to pay to Legzy to get on pole?  What is the best offer so far?


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 3 Reverse Grid - Le Mans (Sarthe (1972-8)) - Aug 5
Post by: Legzy on August 05, 2010, 05:26:50 PM +0100
I'll open the bidding at 2 pints of a certain popular black Irish beverage please ;D


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 3 Reverse Grid - Le Mans (Sarthe (1972-8)) - Aug 5
Post by: Clive Loynes on August 05, 2010, 05:39:35 PM +0100
I'll open the bidding at 2 pints of a certain popular black Irish beverage please ;D

Will you accept Guinness Tokens and can I get them on-line?

Also, please remind me.

We just sit there in the pits when qually starts and wait for you to weave your magic?   When you have finished, then you kick it over to "RACE" and we can join the grid?


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 3 Reverse Grid - Le Mans (Sarthe (1972-8)) - Aug 5
Post by: Mark J on August 05, 2010, 08:48:13 PM +0100
absolutely gutted  :'( my favourite race track and a glorious 70's racing car and im out the race on lap flipping 2. :( Could kick myself, just hadnt done any full fuel laps due to lack of time  :wetfish:, and braked what i thought was early enough for tetre rouge but the car skidded on to the catch fencing, span and killed the engine  :'( Couldnt believe it as normally the car would soldier on from that sort of hit.

Bummer.

It was so atmospheric too, with several of us slipstreaming, pulling out and in again down the mulsanne and 3 abreast into arnage, would have been a corker. Sobs into tea cup....


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 3 Reverse Grid - Le Mans (Sarthe (1972-8)) - Aug 5
Post by: Sandor M on August 05, 2010, 09:00:33 PM +0100
My cat distracted me for a second and I hit the pit-entry , engine dead :-[

Sorry Matt , for the blocking when we entered the long straight . I didn't knew you were there untill we had contact.



Title: Re: UKPnG Season 3 Reverse Grid - Le Mans (Sarthe (1972-8)) - Aug 5
Post by: Clive Loynes on August 05, 2010, 09:28:23 PM +0100
Really annoyed with myself.

I reached 3rd but couldn't quite catch Fulvio.

Then Daniele caught me and squeezed by at the last chicane on lap 8.

In response, I lost count of which corner I was at on the run to Indianapolis and put the damn thing on its roof.

4th to last in one easy move.

Bugger!

Grats to Giuseppe, Fulvio and Daniele


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 3 Reverse Grid - Le Mans (Sarthe (1979-85) - Aug 5
Post by: Legzy on August 05, 2010, 09:34:39 PM +0100
Corrected track detail stuff to 79-85 version (the one we used)... results will be up in 5 mins.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 3 Reverse Grid - Le Mans (Sarthe (1979-85) - Aug 5
Post by: H@L9000 on August 05, 2010, 09:39:23 PM +0100
Great race. :)

Nice fight with Lagzy and Clive and a few others. I was fighting Clive for about 2 laps before I started to crack under the pressure. I did not feel confident enough to go through the kink at the end of the straight side by side with Clive. :o Awesome stuff mate. :)

I lost control several times and eventually acquired 95 second suspension damage which I decided to fix straight away. :'(

Well done podiums and all finishers. :)


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 3 Reverse Grid - Le Mans (Sarthe (1979-85) - Aug 5
Post by: Legzy on August 05, 2010, 09:49:03 PM +0100
Really funny that, how a track/car combo can be so dull to practice with, but then light up on race night. 8)

Had an absolute corker, ah the joy of toe on long straights :laugh:

Great fighting Ade & H@L mostly, but a couple of others too.

absolutely gutted  :'( my favourite race track
Sorry to hear that MJ, but console yourself knowing that we'll be back here in UKGTR2 in September :yes:


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 3 Reverse Grid - Le Mans (Sarthe (1979-85) - Aug 5
Post by: phspok on August 05, 2010, 10:55:03 PM +0100
Mad rush to get over to France with my new car, then found it had no racing licence...
Had to have the old one flown over, no time for practice, fluffed the start , tapped Alex into 2nd turn
sorry for that, I had someone hovering around my tail. Fell off and took some damage watching Colin
scrabbling around in the dirt... no worries Sandor, no damage just "what the!!!"  :laugh:
Always a fun race here, even if it does get lonely sometimes. Like Legzy said.
Got new car (PC) working now on line. need to sort steering and clutch, but seems smoother.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 3 Reverse Grid - Le Mans (Sarthe (1979-85) - Aug 5
Post by: Tim Robey on August 05, 2010, 11:41:57 PM +0100

A slow start, I was behind JPV who had a very slow start and all the quicker guys behind me zoomed past  :(

I gained a few places with people crashing out, but on lap 4, Sandor passed me on the kink so stayed wide, too wide and ended up on the grass and span into the barrier. I made a right hash of the rejoin, and Alex clipped me sorry...  >:( . I waited to let him take the position but he seemed to be waiting for me and we both lost a place to JPV  ::)

I passed Sandor & JPV when they both had offs to leave me on my own, so just tried to do consistent fast laps but kept losing the back end in the Porsche curves and decided to bring her home in one piece.

Hmmmm, these cars are tough to drive, they don't like the twisty sections...  :-\





Title: Re: UKPnG Season 3 Reverse Grid - Le Mans (Sarthe (1979-85) - Aug 5
Post by: Clive Loynes on August 06, 2010, 06:40:07 AM +0100
Great race. :)

Nice fight with Lagzy and Clive and a few others. I was fighting Clive for about 2 laps before I started to crack under the pressure. I did not feel confident enough to go through the kink at the end of the straight side by side with Clive. :o Awesome stuff mate. :)



The high spot of my race.  It was great fun.

Still kicking myself over my exit from the race and it took me all night to get to sleep after being such a plonker.

I found these cars easier than the Mk2 GT40 that I had for the 3hr do.  These had steering and brakes for a start.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 3 Reverse Grid - Le Mans (Sarthe (1979-85) - Aug 5
Post by: pribeiro on August 06, 2010, 09:53:42 AM +0100
 :dots: :death:


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 3 Reverse Grid - Le Mans (Sarthe (1979-85) - Aug 5
Post by: lelero on August 06, 2010, 11:18:53 AM +0100
boys was a mess at the start, I thought it was launched ... the second lap I started to go on a good pace .. sorry for small contacts, but many still do not understand where you braked, hello to the next


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 3 Reverse Grid - Le Mans (Sarthe (1979-85) - Aug 5
Post by: fpolicardi on August 06, 2010, 12:03:50 PM +0100
Great drive from T7 team  :)
I really can't believe to have keep Clive and Alberto behind the last laps.
Commiserations to Clive  :(

Ciao


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 3 Reverse Grid - Le Mans (Sarthe (1979-85) - Aug 5
Post by: Mike Miller on August 06, 2010, 04:07:44 PM +0100
Sorry for the cofushion on the race announcement guys. When testing and assembling the race, I tried both the '77 and '79 versions. The wires got crossed in my brain when writing the announcement.

I was working in the city yesterday so I couldn't make the race. Many thanks to Legzy for stepping in and mangling the field.

Great to hear there was a lot of drafting action and close racing.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 3 Reverse Grid - Le Mans (Sarthe (1979-85) - Aug 5
Post by: Mark J on August 06, 2010, 05:44:25 PM +0100
Still kicking myself over my exit from the race and it took me all night to get to sleep after being such a plonker.

Me too Clive !  spent rest of the evening agitated and unsettled ! Missus couldnt work out why and i wasnt about to try and explain why :laugh:

I've had an awful run this P&G season, lack of praccy is hurting me bad and way too many DNF's are the end result  :'(

Hope we come back here in some classic race cars again soon...i have unfinished business !  8)


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 3 Reverse Grid - Le Mans (Sarthe (1979-85) - Aug 5
Post by: Clive Loynes on August 06, 2010, 07:28:34 PM +0100
LOL

Starting Lime Rock now to expunge the memory.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 3 Reverse Grid - Le Mans (Sarthe (1979-85) - Aug 5
Post by: Alex vV on August 06, 2010, 10:04:09 PM +0100
I gained a few places with people crashing out, but on lap 4, Sandor passed me on the kink so stayed wide, too wide and ended up on the grass and span into the barrier. I made a right hash of the rejoin, and Alex clipped me sorry...  >:( . I waited to let him take the position but he seemed to be waiting for me and we both lost a place to JPV  ::)

No problem. Should have slowed down when I saw the clouds rise from the trees. Bit of red mist I guess.
Spin several times after the collision and was surprised the engine was not dead but soon found out that the suspension was Kaputt.
What really bugged me was that I was really off the pace. Can't remember the 906 being a handfull to drive. Kept pulling to the left when I even looked at the brakes.
Found the G40 MkI in the 3 hour event (we really should do that again some time) even more predictable  ???

Well, I can always blame my cat  ;)


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 3 Reverse Grid - Le Mans (Sarthe (1979-85) - Aug 5
Post by: pribeiro on August 07, 2010, 09:13:09 AM +0100

 
Well, I can always blame my cat  ;)


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