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Practice 1: 19:20 (60 mins)
Race: 20:30 (25 laps ~40 Minutes)

There will not be a qualifying session for this race. Starting order is determined reversing the average finish position found in this  spreadsheet (http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0AgyClStz4uopdFNjeEpuWjlFMHdBcHozaUtERTgwVWc&hl=en&output=html).
Please do not go out on track during the qualifying session. Your grid order will be set by the administrator manually.
New drivers to the series will start at the rear of the field sorted alphabetical descending (keeping the reverse theme here).

Cars allowed: Porsche 911 IROC
Track: Jarama 1979 (GPC version) (download (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3356.msg54521#post_jarama79))
Time of Day Setting: 10:00
Weather: Dry
Start: Standing

Tyre wear: 1X
Fuel consumption: 1X
Pit-stops: none required

Server: UKPnG
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Championship standings (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=260&theme=34)

Notes:
(1) You must connect prior to the practice session ending. Any driver joining after the administrator starts to set the grid positions in the quali session must start at the rear of the field.
(2) Please make sure you are fully aware of the SimRacing.org.uk Rules (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?pid=7) especially the rules about in-game chat messages.
(3) You will need to install Power and Glory 2.0 from here (http://www.gtlw.co.uk/), 2.1 patch from here (http://www.gtlw.co.uk/) and enable terrain patch.
(4) P&G has no 'Pit Speed Limiter' function. You may go as fast as you like in the pits, but please exercise caution. Penalties will be handed out for causing contact in the pit lane. Use your best judgement when driving though the pit lane.

Oh great, another car I can't get the hang of!  ::)

Nothing against Porsches, I just can't drive the damn things  :'(

Balls. I'll be missing this one, which is a shame because it was one of my old favourite GTL circuits :'(

old favourite?  :)

First attempt 1:40.125

Lots more fun than the ankle biters!

Wise words :) Can't refuse a chance to drive a pink porsche and start at the front after being away so long, hope to join you for this.

I'm sorry to say GS, but having not made a single start lands you at the back. While I do know your performance level, the concept behind new drivers starting at the back is to guage their performance level. I'm sure you will do very well regardless of where you start.

The server just vanished.

Is it doing other duties on Fridays now?



PS  Nice try Ian.  Now get to the back.   :alien:

Server shows it running now

Lol mother always said "don't ask, don't get". Surely I start in front of Clive "park the buss" Loynes ;)

Can't wait to pracci for this as I enjoy the IROC and Jama is a cracker.

only raced here once before in the F1 79 cars so had to learn all over again. Tricky combos of roller coaster corners!

1:39.0 for me so far

1:38.356

Some of the curbs are a little on the treacherous side!

Think my setup is a Donnington by MJ  ;D

1:38 eh?...you swine sir, i shall do my best to beat it  :fencing:

Sorry Clive, new gauntlet firmly thrown down...1:37.659  ;D

Am sure someone like Paul, Mike or Ginsters will be along soon to pee on my parade with a 1:36 or something  ::)

Managed a 38.7 so far. But not really my fave cars, actually I hate simm 911s almost as much as simm 906s  :surrender:
Can cope with the floating around like the back needs two weeks written notice of a corner, but so much as brush
a kerb or raised bit and round she comes. I am running 50/90 and have tried softening the front dampers, but it's
still painfully frustrating, just as you get into a rythm and start enjoying it a slightest lightest most gentle kerb touch and it's all over the road, rather spoils the fun for me.
ANyroadup, is the same pain for everyone, and as I'm away next week I will give it some effort  ;D

After a few laps, 1:37.799 with  60 mins of fuel. I do like this car.  ;D

Nice time Ade with race fuel. I best do some full fuel laps now to see where i'm at, though i often find the car actually handles better with a fuel load. Apparently thats what those clever Porsche racing folk also did.

Matt, if your having trouble with the back end coming round on you, its a stiffer front end you need ! My laptimes were done with 130lb front springs and 90 rear.

Ta MJ, yes, more or less what I have done, I've set it up as if it was an M1A, with very hard front, and I treat the
kerbs like they have embedded anti personnel mines in them. 1:37.3 so far.

Are the test IROCS available? SBG suggested they are slower. I can;t go fast in any.

I say that after testing at previous IROC race (Birmingham?). I couldn't get the same pace out of them but, as you mentioned, it felt slightly eaiser to drive.

Here's my setup for pink IROC if your desperate http://www.filefront.com/17210543/911iroc.svm Slower bits are real fiddly but fast stuff is great :)

you've done a 1:37.3 already and are asking for setup tips ?! cheeky bugger  ;)

The test IROCs are not slower for us, only for AI i believe, as they have alternative default setups..ie the Evo1, 2 etc.

Ive been using the sexy orange one. 8)

I was getting much the same pace with the Black Bobby Unser and the military Greeny brown test one
The Black one felt a bit more "disconnected" from the road. I thought the idea was that the IROCS were all
indentical, maybe pink reflects the light more efficiently, giving at a straight line advantage...

while we are happy with our hard earned 1:37's, has anyone noticed the AI can do it in 1:34's ?!!  :o  I dont get how as if you watch them, they seem far sloppier in some corners and not discernibly faster anywhere than i feel i am going myself. I think that because they constantly blip the throttle they can carry more speed in the tighter turns than we can get away with on our controllers, unless you use manual clutch maybe?
No doubt our Italian amici will be along soon posting their 1:35's !  :'(

Thats the pink one I bet ;)

come on Ginsters...spill the beans, whats your pB ?

Made a slight improvement to my times, took 3/10ths off to do 1:37.3 qual and 1:37.5 race.

I did try your setup but though i found its turn in much superior, i also found its 'turn-around' more common !  :-[ Too sloppy for my non-alien hands.

Ginsters was spotted at 1:36.0 last night.

I know this because Simon took great delight in texting me to let me know that I was over two seconds off the pace!

My boss tried to get me to work in the city tomorrow. I said no knowing that Ginsters was coming to the track. I better practice for this one.

I didn't tell you this Clive  ;) SBG had a 1:35.3 last night :o  I got gown to a 1:36.3ish.


                                         

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 :alien: Grats Ade.  I'm surounded by aliens!  :alien::alien:
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i feel a bit downbeat, i must have done about a 70-100 laps around here now (had a rare spare time week!) but still cant get into the 36's  :(  35's is just 'wow', ya fast buggers.
 
Tried all sorts of spring and arb settings without making any headway below 37.3  :taz:

ah well, will watch the quick boys from here race the feisty Italians and maybe pick up some places as the race goes on.

Nowthen MJ, SBG was going quite a bit quicker than 35's last night, even I managed a 36.4 and I can't drive beetles
 ::)

laps times are pretty much irrelevant for this race I feel. Twas good fun chasing Matt for a bit last night but boy its tough to pass here. The wibbly wobbly nature of the Porkers makes it virtually impossible. Resultantly, tonight should be a stiff challenge, all about race craft and good fun :) I'll probably crash and burn early doors.

yeah i tried a race with the ai, it certainly helps to get a feel using these in traffic. Any strong contact will see peeps hitting the armco as nothing in the way of run off areas around most of the track and the kerbs can be deadly for spitting you off though you can actually ride alot of them here quite well without problem.
Looking forward to it though, looks great seeing the multi-coloured iroc field heading through the corners sideways. 8)

Now why the heck cant i do 36's...even Matts managing it  ;)

Hi Guys

Just installed PnG last week and would like to join tonight if there's room please?  Struggling a bit lot for pace, but I dare say a few of you, despite your perplexingly quick pace will be throwing yourselves off at times in these extremely polar-weighted machines.  ;)  Unfortunately so will I no doubt!

Look forward to seeing you later..

Dave

Yes. Come join us Dave. As a new driver you will be starting in the back the 1st race, but subsequent events will see you starting in reverse of your average finish order for the series.

SBG said it right about this event. It will be very challenging to make it from the back to the front. All of us have to keep our witts about us and not do anything stupid on track. Surviving will be key.

Ahh carp! The boss is really pressing me to come into the city and work today so in the interest of keeping my job, I must comply. Another race will be missed. It's been a more miss than hit season for me so far. I'm sorry I can't join you guys. I was really looking forward to this one. It is a great car/track combo in my opinion.

Goldtop or Legzy, will you guys be able to mangle the field for me?

Hi Dave,

Good to see you in here.

I find the 911 IROC to be about the nearest thing to GPL so you should be doing fine.

I believe Legzy is away on hols Mike

Beginning to lose interest a tad.

Nobody to set the grid then the start lights were so difficult to see that I apparently got a SnG for jumping the start, didn't see it and was then disqualified.

What fun!

Well that was a right mess this evening. Hope you guys managed to have a good race despite all the confusion in quali. As you might be aware, I'm not racing PnG at the mo and it was only by chance that I popped in at quali time to see if all was well, which is when I read Mike's post about him having to miss this one.

Although I can mangle the grid using the server manager, I need time to prepare. I find that printing off the spreadsheet and ticking off manually is the most reliable way to do this as I only have a single screen setup. I would not have been able to complete the job within the time left in quali session.

Don't worry yourselves Tudor and Mike, think everyone made the best of it. Thx to Matt and MJ for some great racing. Could just about sneak past both of you with better exit outta final turn and later braking into T1 but that was the only difference. Proud as punch with it first time around on you Matt :)

For me, PnG has got the balance between fun and realism just right. You realise that even more after a 2 month break :) Roll on PnG 3.

phewee, that was very tough racing. :P Those cars sure give your neck muscles a work out !!  :sweatdrop:

Before this evening i would have been very happy to get a 4th place finish but now i feel slightly disapointed, eheh !  :P

Chaos reigned at the start as we all sat waiting for a green light but it was just reds on/off and several appeared to jump start from the back and got instant stop & go's  :nono: which was a shame, followed by several then going off at T1  ::)

It seemed like half the field left in the first 9 laps  ???

Anyhoo, after T1 chaos i weeved my way through to 3rd being chased hard by Lazlow. He got by me after several laps of hard chasing but then promptly outbraked himself at the now hazardous T1 a lap or 2 later ;D
An italian was way out in front with me 2nd for a few laps then he disapeared (disco or stacked it - not sure)  :-\ so i found myself leading the race with a decent 5 sec gap over chasing Matt and Ian which lasted until about lap 17 when i got squirelly off a kerb and ran wide, dropping to 3rd  :(
Then Matt had an off, back upto 2nd  :) no chance of catching or beating Ian, even when he had an off allowing me to close, he promptly shot off again.
Then with what looked a certain podium on the cards, the rapid Guiseppe Real reeled me in as my cars back end got looser and looser with a 22wear on the rear left and on the final blinking lap he made a great move up the inside of me up the hill to nick my hard fought for pody slot  :'(

4th place was better than i expected with so many rapid drivers but theres always a chance when so easy to make a mistake on the limit in these cars, so always something to race for  :)

Congrats to Ian, Matt and Guiseppe. 8)

Tough race. Real shame so many missed the lights. I had done a couple of short AI races to see if I could stay on
with a crowd around me, so knew they went red one at a time, then a short off then green, was not obvious though
Wondered why some went into pits end of lap 1. I rather enjoyed it, though had I fallen off badly I would have hated it. Chased a few, got past, then was caught by SBG who was a good 2 secs faster on a clear lap. Your braking
distance into T1 was an aircraft carrier shorter than mine, and I was using the engine braking like crazy.
Caught MJ very slowly, then we each had  an off, mine was while trying not to do anything unexpected with SBG
playing on my tail waiting to pass. Not sure about MJ, I came round T1 and there seemed to have been some tangling
SBG fell off into the fence once, but it didn't slow him enough for me to make a serious attempt at a win, I could
have driven mega defensive I suppose, but that's not what I'm here for.

Out of curiousity, I translated my previous post into Italian then back to English, the results are humorous  :laugh:
I must have missed the "yard" at the back of the pits...Hope you didn't hurt yourself too much Ian.

tough race. pity to lose so many lights. I made a couple of short races AI to see if I could stay on
with a crowd around me, so I knew which turned red, one at a time, then a quick off then green, was not evident, however,
Wondered why some went to a pit end of lap 1. I liked it enough, even if I fell ill I would have hated. Chased a couple, but I passed, then was captured by SBG that was a good 2 seconds faster on a clean lap. Braking
T1-distance carrier was shorter than mine, and I was using the engine brake like crazy.
Caught MJ very slowly, then we each had a deep, while mine was trying not to do anything unexpected with SBG
playing on my tail waiting to pass. Not sure about MJ, I resumed T1 and there seemed to have been some tangle
SBG fell in the yard once, but not slow enough for me to make a serious attempt to win, I could
have led defensive mega suppose, but that's not what I'm here for.

Many apologies guys for the last minute ditch to go to the city. I really wanted to race. Work has been intense for me lately. Too bad I didn't have more time to devote to the racing and managment. Last season wasn't like this.

There are a few reasons why I still prefer GTL. One of them is that there are far less DNFs than in P&G.

I was one of the guys that jumped the start and went to pits at the end of lap 1. On lap 2 I went wide at the left uphill and crashed into the barrier (2 wheels on it and 2 wheels on the grass), managed to rejoin the race almost in last place, but still carried on.
Hats off to Dave, because his car lost front splitter in front of me, however kept driving untill the end.

Don't like the track, even less the car, don't practice at all, therefore I'm quite happy with the final result.

Cheers

Thanks Pribeiro, it certainly didn't help my pace for the first PnG online race understeering like that, nor did the stuttering my PC was suffering.  Have now turned down the detail and also installed 'End It All' which I saw suggested somewhere until I can upgrade from this P3.  Hopefully I will be more competitive next time, though I can't complain at 7th even if it was largely due to avoiding a jump start and the T1 mayhem!  I had noticed in off line practice that the lights stayed off between red and green here, whereas the other tracks seem to go straight from red to green.

I was involved in one incident on the last lap when I was being lapped and stayed very wide at T1 to let through 2nd and 3rd cars only to be punted off.  On looking at the replay I see it was Mark and Guiseppe who were having a tough scrap for 2nd and the avoidance of my slower car as Guiseppe made a move on the inside of Mark resulted in all of us going off and Matt taking advantage for 2nd place.  Sorry if my slowness caught you out but I did my best!

Anyway, good fun and looking forward to the next..

That would be why I got a stop/go then. I thought it was the modern "go when the red lights go out" style start. Was wondering why that happened. ::)

Did my stop/go end of lap one, carried on for a bit longer but couldn't control the car properly in race setup. Sorry to whoever I spun in front of at T1/2. :-[