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Season 19 Amateurs Trophy - Round 10 - Watkins Glen

The final round of the season will be in the USA.  Although the championship has been decided there is still the chance to race for honour and glory and secure a place in history as a race winner.

Watkins Glen International ("The Glen") is an auto race track located near Watkins Glen, New York, at the southern tip of Seneca Lake. It was long known around the world as the home of the United States Grand Prix, which it hosted for 20 consecutive years (1961–1980). In the early years races passed through the heart of the town with spectators lining the sidewalks, but after a car left the road in a 1952 race, killing one spectator and injuring several others, the race was moved to a new location on a wooded hilltop southwest of town. Later a permanent race course was constructed on 550 acres, overlapping part of the previous course. Despite improvements, the circuit became unable to safely handle the increasingly faster and stiffer ground effect cars of the late 70s and a few horrendous, sometimes fatal accidents and increasingly rowdy segments of the crowd began to tarnish its image. Finally, in May, 1981, several months after Alan Jones had won the 1980 race for Williams, the International Auto Sports Federation removed the race from its schedule because the track had failed to pay its debts to the teams.

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Don't forget to use the updated 65 mod for this race.

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Server = UKGPL_T7_2
IP address = 62.149.202.168
Race Date = 10-08-2010
Time = 21:00
Track = Watkins Glen
Variant = 65F1
Damage Model = Pro
Qually Time = 30 minutes.
Race Length = 50 minutes  (42 Laps)
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=247&theme=6)

We have split the cars into groups based on average performance and split the drivers into groups based on average ability. The chassis numbers for Amateurs are as follows:

AMATEUR CHASSIS GROUPS
1 - Lotus, Ferrari
2 - BRM, Honda
3 - BT11
4 - Cooper
5 - BT7

Each driver has been given a seeding number and must pick a chassis with either an equal number or higher number but not a lower number. For example, if a driver is given a seeding of 2, he must pick one of the cars in group 2 (BRM or Honda) but if he would prefer to drive either the BT11, Cooper or BT7 he may do so. This means that a driver given a seeding of 1 can pick any chassis he prefers.

**NOTE**
Whichever chassis a driver begins his first race with is the chassis he must use for the remainder of the season unless a change has been agreed with the moderator.

The following drivers have made their chassis choice:

FULL TIME

Driver	Chassis
Phil	Ferrari 512
EvilClive	Cooper
Bernie	Lotus 33
John Roberts	Brabham BT11
FullMetal	Brabham BT7
b_1_rd	Lotus 33
policardi	Brabham BT11
al heller	BRM P261
Nicky	Brabham BT11
clutch	Lotus 33
kinghiro	BRM P261
g jonsson	Brabham BT11
Jimmy Rye	BRM P261
natan	BRM P261

RESERVES

Driver	Chassis
Hristo	Brabham BT7
Bartosz	Lotus 33
Bob Whitwell	Brabham BT11

The following drivers are still to make their chassis choice:

RESERVES

Driver	Seeding
Asbjeurn	1
Ruud	1
Joe Shaw (Beefpie)	4

Please use the updated 65 mod for this race which is available here:
Jamesonline.net/UKGPL (http://www.jamesonline.net/ukgpl/1965mod_PATCH_v2.0.2_Setup.zip)

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ok , I am totaly sick of that so called amateurs .
race number four now , in which I am got simply slaughtered , this time by Evil Clive in an unbeatable stupid action .
I am here fore racing and as I cant extract any fun out of beeing simply been chrashed out  over and over by idiots . I wont go for SA20 .

thanks to those done hosting and admins work and to those done clear fair racing .

Having a good clean battle with my nemesis Mr Bird when I ran out of talent at the loop and lost a wheel :(.  Hope you stay on track Steve, thanks for some great racing this season  :thumbup1:

Nicky, it's the same people you race in the other categories. Just protest separately per incident and let the system handle it.

As for my race, I had a very strong start and took advantage of Al's and Tim's hesitation to take the lead, but then was pressed very hard by Al. Fortunately he had to fend off Pod and so I managed to stretch a bit of a lead (1-2 seconds), but I had to drive inch perfect to keep that gap.

It worked for half of the race and my consistency was very good while still driving right on the edge in every corner. Eventually Al remained the sole contender in 2nd place and could catch up slightly, but somehow I managed to keep the gap at around 1 second.

Then I had an off at The Loop, but just a brief one, losing me 3 seconds. I pushed really hard to regain the lead and without sliptstream Al couldn't quite pull away, so I reeled him in and he sort of handed me 1st after a bad exit at the penultimate corner.

I managed to put a little gap again and was looking set for victory when the engine cried enough with 9 laps to go. It should be expected after pushing it so hard all race long, but there was simply no other way.

I hope to have better lucky in the AMs next season as I really enjoy 65s but it doesn't work out for some reason.

Cheers,

-=Hristo=-

Yep that's what the moderating is for. Would be a shame to see you leave us Nicky.

I was disappointed to see you go out Phil, great fun, as was the season.  Thanks for the clean racing.

Ready to take over from Phil's and my battle was Goran! So we ran a good few laps close together, I could get no advantage at all so thought I'd let Goran have a crack in the front to see if he could drag us away from Evil and closer to Natan but Clive closed us down so we ended up in a 3 way tussle.  I was trying everything to keep with them and never really had a realistic chance to get passed, but was ready to dart through if any major mistakes happened.  Shame Phil wasn't there to make it a 4 way dice.

Great driving guys, good fun.  One day I might even get enough pace to challange a bit more!!

Grats to Al and Bart for the CHR 1-2.

Good season, thanks to all who took part, modded and organised servers etc.  Grats to Tim for the title.

Cheers!

I'm sorry that you feel that way Nicky, and I apologise for the contact.
I was as surprised as you were that we tangled. I carried a lot more speed through the last corner than you did and as a result closed up on your tail pipes very quickly. I had to let my car run wide to avoid rear ending you, I would rather have stayed in your slipstream.

 I thought that you had seen me and that you were taking a defensive line towards T1 and staying to the right, so I moved out to the edge of the circuit on the left where you had left a wide gap. The Cooper did not have enough acceleration to even attempt a pass on you. I was simply trying to maintain my speed.
I guess we were overlapped by about 25%-50% when you started to ease out to the left and we touched, or warp got involved. I thought that my race was over too, but it seems that my car was undamaged but that you were out.

Please submit an incident report and let the moderators decide if I was to blame. All I can say was that I was not trying to make an ambitious pass, or any other sort of pass.

Luckily I didn't race last night cause I had my daughter and my grandson at dinner ;) Anyway I don't like to be called idiot in a public forum and I think neither the other guys that had the fault to race you.
Shumy was penalized for his bad move on Barrichello at Hungarian GP and you'd better think on your habit to move over to close abruptly the door, see Rouen and Zeltweg, not the best gentleman driving if you're claiming for that IMO.
Ciao

I was really pleased to finish my first Am's season with a win, but even better to be racing at the sharp end the whole race :).

I set a PB in Q thanks to some tow assistance (cheers Steve ;)) but then almost shot myself in the foot by towing FMG round to within a tenth of my time.. was relieved to just about hang onto pole as the starts can be a bit messy here. Got away reasonably well & led lap 1 but Hristo soon sped ahead at the Loop where I was perhaps a bit too cautious on cold tyres. After I dropped into 2nd, I had big pressure from my teammate Pod who was very quick & eventually passed me into Big Bend. This dropped me into the clutches of FMG & with visions of dropping from 1st to 4th in as many laps, I decided I'd better get a move on! Managed to return the favour to Pod at Big Bend & was able to pull away slightly because now he was busy trying to fend off FMG.

Hristo was going very quickly & consistently in the lead, so once I caught his tow we were able to pull something of a gap to the 3rd place battle. While I was able to hang onto the rear of H's BT7, getting past looked like a different story. The only places I would gain time (thanks to the BRM power) were on the run down to Big Bend & before the Loop - but I didn't want to slow both of us down with my overtaking attempts, as we were still steadily pulling away from the rest of the field - so I thought I'd wait until the last 10 laps or so before really trying to get past. When H went off at the Loop, I thought it was my lucky day - I tried to push hard so that he'd lose my tow but I just wasn't quick enough & he soon swooped past into the lead again. Just as I started mulling over a potentially risky move into the Loop, the GPL gods decided to take pity on me & H's engine went. After that I had a nervy final 10 laps or so as Pod was pushing hard all the way to the end.

Thanks to H, Pod & FMG for the good, clean racing & WD to Pod on a very impressive "guest appearance" (fulltime next season perhaps?). I was surprised to learn that I'd pipped Goran in the final standings as my season was a bit scrappy & I found it quite hard to extract the best out of the BRM, especially in the 1st half of the season. As ever, hoping to make more progress next season ;)

Definately need to get some more time in 65s, I was really impressed by the closeness of the racing.

With little practice and no tow it qualifying was unimpressive, but I then had a fantastic race with Natan, never more than a few tenths apart. This continued until I rear ended him (sorry!), at least luckily he appeared to be unaffected. Frustratingly my first UKGPL race finish may have to wait a while.

Well done to Al for the win and thanks again to the organisers, 'till next time... :)

Welcome to my world (or the people I race against). It happens, you just need to change your driving style to avoid such incidents, something I also need to learn racing with real people and not the AI. Hopefully with the off-season races I can hone this and race fairly when allowed.

WD to former teamy Al, consistency does pay off. :)

I had practiced quite a bit for this one, but was unable to race. As real life seems to be interfering more and more, I will take this opportunity to announce my retirement.

Thanks to all the moderators and to Evil and Hristo as these are the guys with whom I had my best battles.

James

Sorry to hear that you are leaving us James.  :-\ you were a dangerously quick guy  ;D ;D ;D

Maybe you will find time to join us at any time you want some fun and games on the track. ::)

That is sad to hear, James. I hope you work towards finding some spare time to race again soon.

Looks like I missed the final round of "everything " due to Hols etc.

Sorry to here that Nicky might resign , shit happens to us all at some time or other, and sometimes it sticks, though it sometimes takes 2 to make the accident  ::)

Is the server replay available for this?
Can't see it in Vos's site  :)

Replay uploaded you should be able to see it here (http://www.jamesonline.net/ukgpl/2010.08.10_Ams_WatGlen/) now (on Mike James' site BTW)

Sorry for the delay, I'm in retirement mode  :wheelchair:   ;)

Ta  :)

 ;) sure you are right in calling me inpolite by using the word idiot , but guess racers do know how to handle that ...
but for sure you have to admit , it again wasnt my driving style puts me outa race totally ..
( btw . zero incidents last season I did , so my driving style couldnt be as much bad .. )



quote :
Lap 2 – The “90” – Nicky Ickx and Evil Clive

Tim Muttram, Nicky Ickx and Evil Clive are line astern around the “90”. Tim runs wide and puts two wheels on the grass kicking up plenty of dust. Nicky holds his line but doesn’t accelerate as hard as normal to allow himself some room to manoeuvre should Tim loose control. Tim manages to get back on the tarmac without spinning but Nicky’s loss of momentum allows Clive to close up. Nicky is on the normal racing line but Clive is on the edge of the track and has to move right as the road narrows on the exit of the “90”. Clive’s nose makes contact with Nicky’s nearside rear and they both spin out. Unfortunately Nicky hits a post and his car looses a wheel putting him out of the race. Clive manages to continue.

This was only lap 2 of a very long 42 lap race so there was no need for rash moves. The power disadvantage of the Cooper meant that Clive had to stay as close as he could to the cars in front in order gain the maximum advantage from any slip stream effect. Although Clive wasn’t trying to overtake he was trying to stay very close. It is the following car’s responsibility to keep a safe distance and not to move over when there is any degree of overlap. Notwithstanding the fact that he was running out of road, Clive moved over too early so he must shoulder the responsibility for this incident.
·   EvilClive (65 evilclive) — penalty — Simple Side-by-Side contact — 1 place lost


 :) ???
as my English isn’t that good : what the meaning of `degree of overlap. ‘ ?
in german language direct translation would express that  a single part  of the car was in front , that’s why overlapped situation is established ….

kindly regards

In this case you can substitute 'Degree' with the words 'amount of'
So, 'Amount of overlap' - hope that helps you Nicky  :)

Overlap is basically two or more cars going for the same piece of road, usually side by side. I think the degree of overlap is how much one car is lined on the side of another.

Clive's penalty means Goran moves up to 3rd in the race & therefore also swipes 3rd place in the championship from me by 2 points. Oh well, that's racing - congratulations to Goran (and any chance of an appeal Clive? ;) )

There's plenty on the overlap debate here https://www.ukgpl.com/rec_dvr_beh/rec_driver_beh.htm (https://www.ukgpl.com/rec_dvr_beh/rec_driver_beh.htm) including this bit... (not sure how relevant it is to this incident but I always found this graphic interesting)

(https://sites.google.com/site/alanheller/_/rsrc/1283163795484/home/overlap.jpg)

 (and any chance of an appeal Clive? ;) )


Well....................... I'm awaiting the plain brown envelope in the morning post :whistling:

 :) thx for explanations FMG , Hristo and Al , as well thx to admin for detailed  work , for sure its a time bandit doing those incident report  .

Apologies to Nick for my unintentional contact. I had not saved the replay and until I saw the server replay I could not see what had happened.
 It clearly shows that I was at fault and should have backed off. Sorry Nicky.  :-\

In the screenshot above , it clearly shows a blue car leading a green car into the corner.

This is very ambiguous and misleading ,  to simplify things and avoid any further confusion I have constructed some new rules which if applied should lead to much clearer understanding of this difficult situation

The new suggested "corner" rules are as follows :-

Any green car automatically has "barging rights" over any other colour car (excepting any other green car , unless of course the green car is driven by a German )

Any White car has precedence over any Red car .
Any Red car has precidence over any Blue car ( unless the driver of the blue car is wearing a green or blue helmet )
Any German driving any colour car has barging rights over every other car regardless of colour of helmet .
Any car driven by anyone called Clive must imediatly move over and make room for all other cars except those drivers with pink helmets.
Any car sponsered by "Pimblets Pies" has precedence over all other cars regardless of any and all of the above rules .

Recent research has shown that by adopting the above rules, this will illiminate (or eradicate ) any doubts about who has right of passage in any cornering situation, thus making  what was always a very complicated and difficult manouver into a simple affair .

As always any further suggestions on this matter will be fully appreciated and should be written on a postcard addressed to :-

GPL OVERTAKERS COMMITEE 
SHOP ONT CORNER
WIGAN
ENGLAND 

P.S.

All replies will be dealt with by the commitee in the usual way



 

LOL Bernie  ;D - or are you proposing we 'vote' on it  ;)

"Any car driven by anyone called Clive must imediatly move over and make room for all other cars except those drivers with pink helmets"

But if I am wearing my own pink helmet, do I have to make way for myself on the next lap? or do I now adopt German nationality and start eating pies? In which case will my car change colour to become totally neutral and initiate the Klingon ( Bernie Inc. reg TM ) cloaking device at the corner apex, rendering it invisible to all but those in red cars wearing blue helmets.

Does the red stripe on the Wazamobile mean that it is half white and half red?(50/50) or is it more white than red (75/25), and if it does do I have to follow myself or give way to myself, or just back off slightly?


Baffled of Bristol. :scared: :ninja:

Trust Evil to complicate things  ::)

With such combination you're more likely to become a color-changing chameleon that doesn't fit within the rules, lol.