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Practice 1: 19:20 (60 mins)
Quali 2: 20:20 (12 mins)
Race: 20:32 (12 laps ~30 Minutes)

This will be a straight up race. It is a tough track so finishing is goal #1.

Cars allowed: Corvette L88
Track: Monza 1970 10k (download (http://www.nogripracing.com/details.php?filenr=27814))
Time of Day Setting: 12:00
Weather: Dry
Start: Standing

Tyre wear: 1X
Fuel consumption: 1X
Pit-stops: none required

Server: UKPnG
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Notes:
(1)  Please make sure you are fully aware of the SimRacing.org.uk Rules (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?pid=7) especially the rules about in-game chat messages.
(2) You will need to install Power and Glory 2.0 from here (http://www.gtlw.co.uk/), 2.1 patch from here (http://www.gtlw.co.uk/) and enable terrain patch.
(3) P&G has no 'Pit Speed Limiter' function. You may go as fast as you like in the pits, but please exercise caution. Penalties will be handed out for causing contact in the pit lane. Use your best judgement when driving though the pit lane.

Monza with the historic banking.. how cool  8)

When I watched qually this afternoon, I was wondering about this config.. it has some strange crossing I believe on the straight (to go from the regular track to the Oval).

Used this layout in GPL years ago, there is no crossing on the track as such, the banking goes over the normal
track. You start on the right of the home straight, go onto the banking, which then exits you onto the left side
of the home straight, and you carry on up to curve grande. Umm or at least that is how I remember it.
The banking is rough as a rough thing If it's the same layout, you can easily get bounced into a spin.
WIll be great with the big muscle car.

You got it right phspok. It is the old GPL layout converted to GTR2. I also raced another version called Briaza or something like that that had all the different configurations of the classic Monza track (Historic A, Historic B, Oval, Full, Jr, etc...).

The 1970 version for GTL also has the two layouts. We'll be doing the non-banked circuit in 2011  ;).

Nice event Mike but can't we have an Italian car as well? Like the aluminium Ferrari?

I too thought about the 375 GTB Special, but it will be eaten alive here by the L88 and it's engine is fragile.

Hmm, not sure your right about either, but as I don't fancy driving either L88 I think I'll give this one a miss.

The roadster is more stable on the banking, but is not so fast on the circuit. The second banking after the start
is a nasty thing, very hard to get into the baking at full power in the L88 COupe, easy enough in the Roadster.

Something says me that the Fuel Consumption is still set on X2 ;)

I give a try with the L88 Coupè, and I have to say that if you spend a couple of laps to find the right braking point this track is not so difficult. There are only a pair of hard brakes before the Parabolica, and another before the first of Lesmo. As Matt said, it's more challenging trying to get into the 2nd bankin of the high speed ring, but it's possible to get into it at full power with a right line and a good amount of luck :)
I won't make it during the race! I guess it's enough to lift up a bit the throttle to be sure not to dive into the woods!

Cu :)

I find the exit of the bankings more challenging than the entries.

That is, once the tyres are warmed up.

I also found that if you try to skip the out lap of a Time Trial session the game drops your car across the main straight and it then motors straight into the Armco.

2:39.3 is my best effort to date.

PS  I expected to have frame rate problems with this circuit as I always did in GPL.  But this is not the case.  I must put this down to the game defrag facility on Game Booster.  Also, either the suspension on the vette is better than anything in GPL or the banking is a lot smoother.  ;D

Sorry guys, yesterday I tried to connect to the server UKP & G to do some lap, but taking the Corvette Coupe continued to throw me out  ???.
With the Roadster but all is well with no problems whatsoever.
By chance theres someone who has had the same problem?

Greetings to all: o)

Giuseppe

I have only used the Coupe myself but Matt joined with both the Coupe and the Roadster last night whilst I was on there.

I joined with the L88 Coupe. I remember VDA did a race at Nords where they used modified a Ferrari GTB Special. The L88 was in the same race. Could your L88 file be modified too?

aww man, we should be in beautiful Ferraris around here !   Driving L88's around a banked track....hmm, Nascar anyone?  ;)  ;D

I have only used the Penske Coupe, don't know whether there is an issue with the other ones.
Would be nice to have something other than a choice of L88 yes, but it's hard to find something fast enough
to be challenging and keep a balance I reckon. It's what you get for having an American running the series  :laugh:
Banked track = big metal in the colonies you know  :tank:

MJ might include lots of beetles, and I would probably never have 911s or 906s and there would be lots of GT40s
 and Pantys, each to his own.

I like using the banked Monza whatever cars we run, though it needs to be something fast or it's a boring
trundle round Talladega. The Penske is fastest, but the roadster could be a more likely finisher.
CLive's right about the surface, it is way smoother than the original GPL version which bounced you over the
wall if your line was a centimetre off.

Thanks for the tip Mike, I had thought such a thing, but I thought it has not modified the files in the Corvette.
Last night I replaced the folder with a Corvette_60 definitely okay and I tried to connect to the server and everything works smoothly ;D.
Many thanks for the help and courtesy.
See you on track :o)

Giuseppe

finally got some laps in late tonight. What a fantastic nostalgic old track layout for Monza  8) We must make more use of this for a classic enduro at some point.

Though wish we had picked a car that can actually steer and/or brake  ::)  :P but must be said this car is quite sexy around 'most' of this track...just doesnt like corners  ;)

Just noticed tonights choice of car/track - hope no-one minds my joining in  ;D

Guiseppe, the VDA files only altered the Ferrari. So that deffinatly isn't the problem with your Coupe.
Afraid I have no idea what's causing your problem though  :)

Gonna text my G/F now and tell her she can't see me tonight - should go well  :ninja:

Ah carp!. I have to work in the city again today so I have to miss the race. You guys will be in good hands with Matt. Wish I was able to draft around this high speed circuit with you guys though. Enjoy the race. I may have to cook up some kind of special event like MJ said so I get a chance to race it too. Let me know how the race goes.

I remembered that in another league had changed the fuel tank capacity, plus 10 liters, for 1 hour to finish the race without refueling.
Anyway thanks for your kindness ;).

See you tonight

Giuseppe

 :o

Like a Christmas Special? :whistling:

finding the two lesmo's pretty tough, trying to get a nice drift usually ends up in the sticky wall  :P

.... 2m43 so far so prob about 5 secs off! cool track though and 175mph out the vette is cool  O0

A great track agreed but it was never used in full after 1933 so we are a bit out of era, which to a historical nutter like me is akin to nails down a blackboard  ::)

I seem to recall this layout with a couple of chicanes being used for the Monza 1000km in the late sixties/early seventies.

I think your right. Just found some data to suggest that this layout was actually in use as late as 1965. Hmm more research needed he he  8)

EDIT: The circuit which Geoffers alludes to had chicanes placed before the two banked curves and was used between 1966-1969. In 1970 the more familiar circuit was used.

 

Nice track, shame about the car choice on offer. I've tried it & hate it.

I'd have been more then happy to peddle the F275 Special round against these ridiculous L88's despite their obvious speed advantage. I would at least be able to get round a couple of corners & possibly even enjoy the experience.

Sitting this one out. That's not something I do often.

I'd of joined you

oh dear what a disastrous non-event that turned out to be. Only 11 runners, 3 DNF'd on lap 1 when nearly all of us got caught out by sudden instant oversteer mid bank, leaving only 8 left. Then on very next lap i again got a big oversteer and span but saved the car. However when i tried to spin around to carry on, the car got beached and i couldnt reverse or go forward off of it. Someone else DNF'd at same time leaving only 5 runners on lap 2  :(

where has everybody gone?  ???

With three or four spinning cars it is not wise to keep full speed going, is it?

Apologies for being such a negative git but I really looked foreward to this track; not being taken out at T2.

Must admit tho that these cars are pretty on the limit for an average driver like me.

Endurance with Mini's anyone?

Sorry Alex didn't notice you were slowing down so much until too late.  Having little experience in these tanks I was concentrating on trying to stay on track.

And I wasn't full speed btw.  I think I know to slow down and be slightly cautious under yellow, just wasn't expecting so much!

Anyway. C ya around.

Yeh, bit of a disaster this race. The three cars in front of me all got sideways onto the 2nd banking, I lifted off to avoid ploughing into them & the car just understeered straight into the barriers! Slid to the bottom & got stuck. Thanks PR for trying to push me free, I got going in reverse but got stuck again trying to turn around so gave up.

Beginning to get a bit dissillusioned with P&G. I think us lesser lights need some easier tracks!

Geoffers, when I saw you there I tried to push you to the track, fortunately you made it, but then I got stuck exactly where you were... ;D tried for 2 minutes get out of there without success. DNF!
It's a nice track layout and I was realy forward to this one, it's a shame that this track have a bug that doesn't let us out of the inside banking area. Ridiculous, finishing a race like this.
I continue saying that I still like GTL more than P&G due to a few reasons.

Cheers

I wish I could do the GTL races here, but the change to Mondays isn't good for me.

Thanks for the response. Think the banking caught us all out by the looks of it  :o

Am always a bit jealous when I see you GPL fanatics race on such wonderful historic tracks like Monza 10k and Targa Floria.

Hope to see you around for some fine racing Steve!

Cheers.

ps. Congrats to the finishers!

So come do some GPL too! :)

Had my normal lack luster performance in the tin tops - but thanks to the banking I managed 4th! Best result yet in P&G  ;D

Think I owe Lorenzo an apology as I clipped him in one of the banking pileups - he hit the barriers on the outside and slide back down towards an already rotating car. I backed off but didn't dare brake and think I gave him a very slight extra nudge  :ninja:


Oh, and do as Steve says Alex - GPL's still very alive and kicking  :thumbup1:

Crying shame that. Was a track/car combo that needed some practice or there would be many surprises for the unwary.
I made an uncharacteristic good start, lifted, but still gave Clive a shove to get him going  :-[
The 1st lap was wild, I lifted enough to be able to steer round two bunches of spinning cars, following CLive
who then stuck it down onto the apron on the next lap. Ended up with just 4 of us after Steve Bird dropped out.
GR doing straniero  :alien: laps, with Manteos trying to hunt him, and me trying to keep up as best I could
FMG 7 secs or so behind running almost identical times to me, managed to keep him at bay up to the end.
That could and should have been a hoot, Hindsight being a wonderfull thing, some less awkward cars might have given a better race. Those L88 were something though, not sure quite what they were, but they were definately "something" ;)

Shhh! I actually have a copy of GPL here on my desk and it keeps beckoning me... :ninja:

I would really love to join you but am afraid that 1 race a week (praccy included) is all I can manage time wise.

Thanks for the invite  ;)
 

Neither for me.

A big round of  :clap: for Matt who has seemlessly taken over the server duties for P&G and well deserved  :notworthy: to Goldtop for his past services.

I'm sure Matt meant to say that the results and replay are now posted  :angel:

ROTFLOL  :laugh:
Err thanks Tony. Yes Boys and Girls,
The results are now posted somewhere in the forest over the banking     ::)
and the Replay is knocking around somewhere... now where did I put it  ;) ah yes Replays!

Sounds like it was a tough race guys. Someone said it best when they said the track/car combination required some practice before coming to the event. I'll tone down the challenges next season. I'll try to focus on easier car/track combinations although, I will have to throw in at least 1 duesy.

That was all a bit silly from my point of view.

I have no problem with the car/track combo but I spent so long trying to get PnG up and running after it had died on Tuesday night that I hadn't ever had time to do any full tank running.  As a result, the first time I tried to get around the second banking at full chat I think that it must have bottomed.  I then left the track via the top of said banking.

Next time my PnG goes belly up could someone please send me a message to remind me that it is XD that provides all the in-car tyre info and the like?  It wasn't until I encountered Matt trying to chuck me off the server before the race that he gave me that last vital piece of information.  I had forgotten all about XD and had spent hours trying to coax Motec into telling me what I needed to know.

Well done to all the finishers.

Pardon me my ignorance Mike, but what does duesy mean ?

Stig / Hotkeys
A measly Viking, strong at hand but weak in mind  ::)

adj.slang.USA. The finest of its kind. The word originated from the shortening of Duesenburg which was the American built limousine of the 1920's & 1930's. The Duesenburg was then the finest vehicle of its kind that money could buy.

Thank you for enlightening me, Tony.

I find it most sympathetic, that you have such great knowledge of the slang being used in your overseas colonies  ;) ;)

Stig / Hotkeys

And me.   ::)

Ahh, wondered why you were asking about Motec  ;D
We have to keep up with how the colonials talk Stig, or they may be talking about independance, and we wouldn't
know it.  :whistling:

I think, in this case Mike's duesy indicates "difficult"  "challenging"  "tricky" more than "finest"
But then Americans think I am Scottish, so what do I know.

Hello guys, I'm sorry to hear that some of you are disappointed by the P & G and who prefer GTL .... :blink:
Everybody can think what we will, but I fully agree with Mike, Clive and Phspok, without a minimum of training and a decent setup is unthinkable lead to limit car that weighs over 1500 kg with over 500 hp on a track which faces the second banking at full speed over 290 kmh.
So if you allow me, I would think a little more before we criticize the organizers who seek to do the best to entertain everyone :thumbup1:

Greetings to all

Giuseppe  ;D

I Totally agree with Giuseppe

My training for this race was 2 laps, and I spent 10 laps before I had realized that it was possible to do the banked corners at full throttle, but it wasn't a leap in the dark... when I was sure I could have done the banked corners at full throttle I started to do it.
This kind of cars needs more than 2 laps to be understood especially for the braking point, so maybe with a bit more patient by everybody, we wouldn't have stayed in 4 people at the end of 2nd lap. It was a pity finish the race in 4.

Tastes are tastes we say in Italy, but my GTL DVD is close into his pack since I've installed the P&G.  ;) ;) ;D ;D

In my opinion P&G beats GTL 10 - 0, and I'm sure that when the v3.0 will be released a lot of people will start to like more P&G than GTL even here... It's surely more user friendly than the v2.1... trust in me :)

Cu :)

I was complaining about the track  ::) Brcause me and Geoffers got stuck in the inside bank zone and couldn't get out of there, jeeeeez...
And I do like more GTL for a few reasons. I didn't say that I don't like P&G, I just said I like more GTL!
I really hope that version 3 of P&G come without the unreal and ridiculous understeering and I do can't believe that people who drive cars for more than 20 years doesn't seems to understand that.
It's ridiculous to turn a car at 40 km/h with so much understeering. And please don't tell me about setups, setups are for tunning the car, yet, without them you can still drive the damn car.

I had talk to a guy that have a Mustang near where I work (he is a classic car collector and had a few American cars from the 30' to 80's) and the car has not understeering behavior unless you push it stupidly.

 

I enjoy these great old tracks no end, but there has been a steady decline in numbers throughout this last season. For me personally, our P&G nights seem to have turned into a series of one-off special events rather than a classics championship and that may be a reason for eroding turn out, added to the fact that some of these track and car combos do challenge that bit further or require a lot more practise. I agree with some of the others that you just cant turn up at a challenging track layout like this in a fast beast of a car and expect to do well/survive but i do wonder if thats why turn out has dropped.  :-\  Must confess i hadnt done any race full-fuel laps here and almost got caught out like a few did in the early couple of laps with a dramatic change in car handling characteristic with the full fuel load.  :-[ But it was the very high kerbing that stopped me carrying on and even if i had got going again i would have been about 30seconds behind the only 4 remaining racers...3 of them alien ! hardly inspiring is it.

My personal preference would be a season of GT racing with maybe a pre-selected pair of cars to use for the season. That way you have to use it no matter what the track characteristics and that adds a balance over a season. GT class should provide plenty of options for people to use a car they like and make the grids varied and cool. We had full grids when using this sort of format early on..ie last year/early this year. Shoe-horning people into cars they dont like or cant drive just depletes the field unfortunately.

I'm with Paulo on this one. GTL just seems to deliver good close racing night after night. I don't know how realistic GTL is compared to PnG, but I can't for one minute imagine the real cars were as difficult to drive as some of these PnG cars. I've read about the unbelieveable amount of work and time that goes into creating this mod in the articles over at GTL Workshop. The meticulous detail these guys go to and the research they put into recreating the original cars is so amazing, yet the end product is in some cases almost undrivable and affects the quality of the racing imho. I really hope V3 gets this right when it is finally released.

This would be my own personal preference too, aside from the fact it could allow for custom skins if people so wished there's also the added fun of learning your car correctly and being able to choose something you enjoy for the entire season.
If I'm having fun I don't care wether I'm competitive  :)

I think you guys will enjoy what I'm cooking up for season 4. I'll announce the details when I'm finished with the testing. The GT cars from Bathurst will be featured.

No worries mate, I just googled it  ;D

Can't resist. so I will. I like racing people on line, preferably on tracks and in cars that don't needs hours of practice time
because I sometimes just don't have that time to give. Ideally the car/track should be one that rewards skill, and some practice
but I prefer it if hours of practice are not essential to have fun. Mostly I like racing people on line, and would probably do Mario Kart
if that's all there was.  :o

Sorry I was being a bit negative about P&G, I just seem to be struggling a bit with it recently.

It is certainly an excellent piece of work by the GTLW team, but I just think that in trying to make each car uber-realistic it has lost a bit in playability as compared with GTL. I also think that in possibly concentrating on each car individually, they have forgotten to make the cars competitive with each other. A case in point being the Alfa GTA & Lotus Cortina, which were quite evenly matched in real life (& GTL), but are not in P&G. Also it's technicality has widened the gap between the aliens & the mortals & reduced the chances of having a close race. A few of the cars seem to have odd handling characteristics & are, for some, so difficult to drive that they are not fun, which is after all why we all do this.

In general though I enjoy P&G & will be back for more next week.

I just hate the L88 (& a couple of other similer cars), overall though, PnG is the best sim I drive.
But I'll admit I'm very comfortable making the cars less understeery ;D (The L88 is one of the exceptions ;))


p.s. GTL is still very good, as is GTR2 & iR. Each offers different things, PnG is just the balance I like most.