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NGT Sprint Cup - Season 2, Round 3 at Enna

Date: Tuesday 15th November

Practice 1: 8:30pm (15 mins)
Qual 2: 8:45pm (28 mins)
Warmup: 9:13pm (2 mins)
Race: 9:15pm (40 mins)

Cars allowed: Ferrari 360, Porsche 911 GT3-RS, Porsche 911 Bi-Turbo, Mosler, Vertigo or Morgan. (Lotus Elise, BMW Z3M, Porsche GT3 Cup are allowed but will not score points.)

Notes:
(1) Full time drivers should arrive during Practice 1 if possible. Reserve Drivers can take spots AFTER 8:40pm (5 mins to go in practice 1) to give Full Timers a big enough chance to join.
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(3) See  UKGTR Sprint Season 2 Info (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&group=10) for general Season 2 info.
(4) Please make sure you are fully aware of the UKGTR Rules (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?pid=7)

Really fancy the Mosler for this, however I again managed to blow the engine in practice last night....TWICE >:(

Not sure how competitive it will be if I drop the rev limit too much....

You don't need to drop the rev limit, just open the radiator vent wider to let more air in.

Lol, that's what i thought, but still managed it on 4!!!!!!!!

:o
What weather settings does it show, almost sounds like it has a very high temperature?

I've sacrificed a goat to the tyre-barrier gods to appease them, hope thats enough to stay out of trouble tonight!

Pops

Hey check out the 360 challenge races here ..

http://www.fastdrive.org/download.php?list.6

Got to register.

Jam,

Im running the Mos and Im lapping quicker than I did in the 360 with no engine probs at all. You sure your not over-revving or anything?

Hmmmmmm, I'm begining to wonder if I'm being "a little" over enthusiastic with my engine braking on turn in :-[. I can normaly get away with quite a bit of abuse in the Gt3rs or F360.

Would you be able to mail me your setup for comparison?

Unfortunately can't make it tonight guys but hope you all have a great race.


I was gonna give you all a good thrashing tonight as well!! ;D He he!

Look forward to the next one.

Cheers,

Cods

GTL has completely and utterly ruined me, I've lost all (any) GTR feel I had ;)

As for the chicane's, we've got 40 mins or roughly 25 laps. Two tyre barriers per lap equals a scary 50 opportunities to end up wrappped around something metal. The question we gotta ask ourselves is- do we feel lucky? Well, do we?

Or wood in my case.  ;)
(Taking the Morgan)

I hang my head in shame, I accept complete responsibility for the shambles I created in the 1st chicane. My apologies to those whose race I ruined especially Pops. I just saw red with the manouvre you pulled on the start Pops and was determined to get the place back. No excuse though.

Locutos,

I can understand how you felt, Greg did that to me in race 1 so I nicked the idea!

I'm pretty sure I accelerated as Shark had gone over the start / finish but if I went a bit early it really was entirely unintentional so apologies it that was the case.

I was quite disappointed, that was my best qualifying session ever. No hard feelings though mate :)

Pops.

Well thats my race trashed :(  Got myself upto 6th or 7th after first few laps, running well for a couple of laps, then a porker loses it front of me whilst a mosler whacks me up the arse to send me spinning, rejoin last in 14th?  Fight my way back upto 11th and going well. On lap 11 or 12 coming up behind the lapped Demonic Dan....he hits the tyre wall chicane big time right in front of me, i'm approaching flat in 4th with a choice between hitting Dans disabled Porsche broadside or the tyre wall  :o....i tried to aim for the gap as there was no way of stopping and slammed into the tyre wall....suspension damage race over :'(

Gutted, as despite dreading this race as i'd never been here before, found a sweet spot and was running well. I even got a new pb 2 secs faster than my original. :)
Cant catch a lucky break in this series yet :'(

Well, qualification session went quite nicely - with exception of Shark and Mo in front of me :D My Athlon 2800+ is not a good companion when racing online. Despite X800XT PE onboard fps drops bad and I find myself unable to achieve my peak performance if graphics are not entirely smooth. Excuses, excuses... :) I did some nice 1.36.860 yesterday though and todays private afternoon practice session assured me that I will be able to qualify at low 1.37.

During first few laps I managed to keep up with the lead and finally due to Mo's error took second position. Quite nicely I thought and started chasing Shark in order to give him some team orders :D Then, on the second barrel trap I made a slight mistake, loosing 1,5s. Back on the track. Chasing again. I realized that with 20min of race I still have my chance to fight for the win - at least devil on my left shoulder was assuring me of :) I believed him and finished my race 2 laps later by hitting a barrel and destroying suspension. Guess I should have just raced my race and finish at least. But you know - all or nothing racing blood flows in my veins :D

On the other hand this season was quite lucky so far anyway. It is a pity this was probably one of my last races this season as due to moving house my adsl will be gone :(

Totally gutted for you all. If it's any consolation, Enna is about the only track a crash that catastrophic can happen on  :-\

I drove up to it and the whole track was covered in opaque smoke. Just slowed down and aimed for the centre in second with fingers crossed, somehow getting through. Found myself in a totally undeserved 4th place. Span 4 times though and struggled all night after having played and completed all the GTL cups A-D. Sat in front of GTR and was shocked how bad I was at it, oversteering on every corner. My qually time was a full 2.5 secs down on my PB, crazy. Adjusted the wheel lock from 16 down to 10 and it helped a bit but I think I'm really going to struggle switching between games :'(

Well I thought a real disaster became me at the start, two cars passed me before the first corner, one before the start line  :o As a result I was a wee bit miffed so decided to boot it on cold tyres  :-[ off I went. Got going again in last place :(

The good news is I was no where near the 1st chicane incident so didn't get tangled up in that which I would have seeing that of the cars that jumped me at the start, one quit and the other was limping back to the pits with damage.

Drove a decent race after that, clawing my way back up to 5th. Spent the last half dozen laps harrying Zacari, but he drove too well and I was never going to get passed without him making a mistake. Well done mate.

BTW replay and provisional results available  :)

Had a fantastic qualifying, took nearly all the session to get that perfect lap, but finally it came and I equalled my F360 PB with my trusty Morgan at 1:37.2!!!

Then led from start till 2nd to last lap, took it pretty easy for the whole race, knew it was as important to finish as to go fast and had it in the bag with people behind making mistakes.

Mo was only 5 secs behind me with 2 to go and I took the 2nd tyre chicane as normal, foot on accelerator as normal and whizz back end comes round on the long right hand bend. Really annoyed at that cause I didn't do anything different to normal and certainly wasn't pushing particularly hard. I guess I must have just hit that bump past the 2nd tyre chicane and it just caught the car wrong and that was that. Ended up 3 secs behind Mo, but annoyed that I missed out on an unlikely win for my Morgan.

On holiday for Brno so have fun without my Morgan there.

Bad luck Shark, that would have been a win for the scrap book ;)


Damn, I'll have to try and do my own setup ;)

Something wrong with the results, it has TrueTom, then Mo then me. It was Mo, then me  (not sure about Truetom, 3rd I guess?) in reality.

That was good fun despite the lap 1 crash  :o :o

Only did 30 mins practice beforehand and couldn't stop the 360 from oversteering everywhere, so tried the Porsche for the first time ever in GTR - and it was great!  Managed to qualify 8th, plan being to get into a steady rythm and not push too hard as I was using soft tyers for the race.

Started well, avoided the slight melee into the first corner where Picnic was getting abused, got to the 2nd chicane and all you could see was smoke and tyers!  I almost managed to brake enough to squeez through a gap but either clipped the tyer wall or another car and span.  Rejoined in 11th that quickly became 9th, then tried to haul in the guys infront.  Got into a steady pace in the low 41's then after a few laps was in 5th trying to close PaulW down.  Just couldn't get the gap down below 4 sec without frying my rears so put in occasional fast laps, then noticed the gap back to 6th was dropping quite quickly so had to push harder!

Paul then clipped one of the high curbs before the first chicane and I was up to 4th, with Picnic still munching into my advantage in 5th.  Few laps later out-broke myself going into the final complex and idled over the gravel trap, which put Picnic right up my 'pipes  :o and had a heck of a time trying to keep him there!  Was a good battle and I was glad there weren't another couple of laps!  

So 4th was good for my first NGT race, thanks Dave for putting me on the reserve list so quickly!  :)


edit: was def. mo, shark, stnasky, zac, picnic top 5.  not sure 'bout others

I'll try and make one up before I go away. Can't have my Sharkies without setups.
Not sure I'll make Donington either as it's the day after I get back from holiday. I'll try.

Well, one of them was me. I reckon I booted it at around 207s replay time, just as Shark was on the start / finish line so I think I misjudged it and was fractionally early to accelerate  :(

Apologies to Picnic & Locutos for that. I'm deeply sorry as it affected all our races.

Pops

TrueTom finished 6th just in front of me. After hitting escape though I saw a DNF next to Tom's name which was odd- something definitely went wrong with the placing at the end.

Managed to jump Picnic after the line, so up to 6th.
Then Locutos has his little incident at the 1st tyre chicane.  Just couldn't avoid hitting his car head on, result was a puncture and a very slow limp back to the pits.
Rejoined in last place, managed to get back up to 9th.
Has someone jinked me this season in the NGT ?  After hitting an invisible bollard at Magny and getting a puncture only to get another flat tonight !!!!
Hopefully my luck is due to change, although they do come in 3's I believe, cant wait for the next one. :)

Not sure what's happened there with TrueTom, the results have him having run 22 laps like the leaders but the race time is DQ. Hopefully Gizmo can have a look at this, it maybe an import quirk associated with the results parser.

Wasn't it Truetom that shark, mo and me double lapped just after 3 or 4 laps? Sorry if it was not you, but I have a recollection of such event.

Lol, that's a jump, from 6th to 1st !  :P

Something got mixed up, I finished on the 6th place. That's ok, after the L1 carnage, when I went from 7th to 14th place (I think it was something like that). Replay should sort all out, hopefully.

I'll look at the dodgy results tomorrow. I may have to look at the replay and edit the exports before re-uploading them.

Some good points for Team Shark there, nice one Shark & Picnic.  :)

The parser is fine, it's the rubbish GTR result file which is kaput :( as it has TrueTom down as a DQ on the last lap - I wonder why? :-\

Somebody will have to look at the replay and give me a time difference between when he crossed the line and somebody else (doesn't matter who, I'll just use the difference to calculate his finishing position - I could even just be given the times that he and one other driver crossed the line).

I didn't mean to imply it wasn't, more that GTR produces weird results and had produced one yet to be seen and thus understood. I suppose adding up the lap times doesn't work as these get dropped if the driver cuts the track. I'll shut up now before I dig an even bigger hole  ;)

Did some quick calculations based on the individual lap times in the export and those drivers who were given an actual race time by GTR, and by my calculations you did indeed finish 6th, 26 seconds behind picnic and about 6 ahead of PaulW. I reckon GTR's timings are only accurate to within about 0.03s, which is about 1 frame.

Pfff, i just don't know how we cope with times only accurate to 0.03 of a second!  :P :P ;)

OK Dave, I'll do that tonight.

Thanks; I think the result is now correct but I'd be more comfomtable after cross-checking with the replay.

Work from home so just booted the PC to save you the bother Aagramn. Truetom crossed the line (bridge shadow) at 2393.652 with me a couple of secs behind at 2396.196. Definitely didn't press escape too early as I watched him cross the line and drive several corners beyond it. The DNF is really odd!

When you watch the replay you will see that he(Truetom) finished the race, then drove the wrong way round the track for a while thus the DNF.
But of course he finished the race first TG.
Don.

Hiya guys, sorry couldnt make it last night, still confined to my bed in my flu ridden state, and the team doctor put a ban on me even attending the race track!

Seems like there was some at T1!

Congrats to Mo (no-one else matters  ;D), in clocking up more points for the K`Crawlers.

See you in 2 weeks when I will be raring to go - so I might well finish 22nd or even 21st!

Cheers

Rob

Ah, thanks Paul, that's consistent with what I extrapolated (long word considering I've been down t'pub!) from the export.

D'oh!

In that case I recommend sticking to simple doughnuts. ;) :D

Exactly! I PM-ed Mo (NGT administrator I think). I wanted to go back to PaulW who was "baking" doughnots and the game said I was DQ.  :-\

Thanks Paul.


Maybe you could add that to the rules.  ;)

Hi Guys when I saw all the smoke I thought it was a nov5 bonfire party. I was going ok after a bad quali with wrong set up but decided to go non stop but ruined tyres taking evasive action a couple of times I think. I was very happy to finish for a change anyway bye for now gerald

*uh hum* *cough cough, 10th place, 5 points*

Dave, can you move me to reserve in NGT sprint please?  Thanks.

Yes thanks Rob thats the "Team spirit".
Don.

Now look what iv'e started. ;)
Pops there is a small difference between the two moves, I waited until after the s/f line before I overtook you. ;D

Seeing as this has been brought up a couple of times it might be appropriate to discuss this  :)

Disclaimer: I'm totally happy to discuss this incident as I think the start procedure still needs a little clarification. This post is intended to be a discussion point. If the mod's rule that it was against the rules then I'll accept that and take whatever penalty is appropriate.

(Having said that, if this post is contrary to the posting rules, apologies and please delete. I don't think it is though as there's no other driver directly involved.)

What happened was that I waited until Shark had crossed the start/finish line, then accelarated as per this rule;

I'd pulled to the left to get a good view of this (I was in 6th), next bit of the rule is;

Now, I believe that the car in front was accelerating, just not very quickly. This is probably the core of the issue in this case.

The part about it being before the start line is covered by this rule (my bold);

When I overtook, the leader was well over the start line so the formation lap was over and in my interpretation of the rules it was OK to overtake.

So rests the case for the defence m'lud...  ;)

Pops

I still have an issue with this, primarily because the leader rarely takes it steady out of the last corner!  I've only ever been in pole once in an online race (was at enna funnily enough) and I literally didn't go above about 70-80kph out of the last complex so the filed was nice and stable.  On Tuesday I had to floor it out of the last corner just to catch up to the guy infront, only to have to lift alot because the leader wasn't over the s/f line.  And I was only in 8th, I expect the guys further back just accelerated fully out of the last corner.

It's a pain that GTR has the bugs meaning we have to do a manual warm-up lap.  I'm not sure if using the last corner would be better because it might just move the problem, but if the leader always kept the end of the lap much slower I'm sure there would be less of an issue with the current system.


This is the main issue really as people are accelerating to catch up to the car infront, as well as after the leader's gone, and there's no way of telling one from the other when you're behind!  Only by the leader going slower at the end can we eliminate the need for cars accelerating to catch up.

Maybe we could say 'the leader must maintain the speed from the last corner down the s/f straight until he/she crosses the line to start the race' ,or something.

(edited to add quote)

I agree mate.

Agree about the core of the issue with this example. There is a little grey area in the otherwise solid rules for when we actually "go" and that is that, with the vaguaries introduced by different drivers getting pole and therefore driving that final last outlap section differently, knowing precisely whether the car in front is properly "going" or just accelerating to catch up with the pack prior to the proper go is difficult.

For my part (and i know i'm still a relative online newb) but when i came out the last corner i had to floor it to keep up with the cars in front and then it all slowed down again as i got near the start finish straight, then it speeded up again.( ie it wasnt a consistent steady pace)...and i was 11th by the way.

Also, while i'm on my soap box ;)....has anyone ever given a thought to identifying people on a flying lap during qualifying ? Why not ask those on a hot (timed) lap to put their headlights on so that anyone else dawdling around the track or on an out/in lap can move well out the way in time for the guy on a flyer? It would be especially effective for tracks like Enna where it was all too easy to happen on someone chugging along the racing line when your lining up a chicane to take quickly. I saw many incidents during qualy that might have been avoided with some pre-notice. On the flip side, i know part of the fun/frustration factor can come from meeting traffic on your qualy runs and/or it would rely on discipline of the drivers to turn 'em on/off again, so its just a suggestion thrown out to the floor in a Roman senate stylee ::)......now dont throw me to the lions :-\
(also appologise if this has been brought up before...hey, i'm new :-[)

In my home leage we drive flying laps with headlights on and it works perfectly. On the other hand, some guys added car horn samples to their skins so they can "inform" you well in advance :D

Just wondering if prohibiting overtaking until AFTER the first turn  would help, you can still go at the S/F line, but the first corner would act as a buffer for the following cars and by the time you can overtake everyone should be up to racing speed. I also think that whatever speed pole leaves the last corner at should be the speed he/she
crosses the S/F at ie. a constant drag up the S/F straight

Guys, I'm going to lock this topic as the discussion has moved well away from the event in question and towards the starting procedure which is best discussed elsewhere (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=595.0).

With specific regards to lights during qualifying, those on hot laps shouldn't need to advertise the fact. Those who are not on a flyer know who they are and must take responsibility for keeping out of everyone else's way as best they can.