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Let battle commence. The first race of Season 20 kicks off at Mosport. For the first race you will start with 10 tokens plus 10 for crossing the start/finish line.

Subject to a viable number of entrants we will be running two separate grids for Works and Privateers drivers this season. The Works will run on PRO Damage and Privateers will run on Intermediate Damage with the allowance of ONE shift-R reset. No Shift-Rs are allowed in practice unless authorized by the moderator. A Shift-R (fault or not) MUST be followed by a Stop & Go. A Shift-R for tyres/fuel is not allowed. Any driver taking more then ONE Shift-R OR failing to take a Stop & Go will be disqualified from the race result.

Race List = IGOR
Server(s);
Works = UKGPL_6
IP address = 80.5.200.198
Privateers = UKGPL_T7_2
IP address = 62.149.202.168
Race date = 10-10-2010
Time = 21:00 UK time
Track = Mosport 67
Variant = 67F1
Damage Model = Works; PRO / Privateers; INT
Qualifying time = 35 minutes. Don't start until 30 mins left on clock to allow everyone to join.
Race length = 50 minutes (laps 36)
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R;group=277;theme=6)
The track can be downloaded from : original papy track
Add-on’s available at : http://srmz.net/index.php?showtopic=2168  or 3099 (http://srmz.net/index.php?showtopic=2168  or 3099)

Please be in IGOR UKGPL chatroom by 8:50 pm UK Time

Reserve drivers should not join the server(s) until there are only 30 minutes of qualifying left. Please restrict chat to pit messages. Moderating will be by reported incidents only, however the moderators reserve the right to review any incident with a particular emphasis on lap one. The aim is to review the race the following weekend so incident reports should be submitted within five days of the race (ie the following Friday). We're hopeful most incidents can be resolved amicably and recommend a days deep breath with a replay review before posting. A sorry in the forum won't be taken as an automatic admission of guilt by the moderators.
The Works will run on PRO Damage and Privateers will run on Intermediate Damage with the allowance of ONE shift-R reset. No Shift-Rs are allowed in practice unless authorized by the moderator. A Shift-R (fault or not) MUST be followed by a Stop & Go. A Shift-R for tyres/fuel is not allowed. Any driver taking more then ONE Shift-R OR failing to take a Stop & Go will be disqualified from the race result.

With the token system chassis strategy will be a factor. A driver must have sufficient tokens for the chassis he drives in the race.  Any driver who does not have sufficient tokens will be disqualified from the result and his tokens will be set to zero.

Chassis costs;
Lotus 20 / Eagle 17 / Ferrari 15 / Brabham 10 / Cooper 5 / Honda 3 / BRM 0

To see your current tokens hover your mouse over your total points on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R;group=277;theme=6). Ten tokens will be added when you cross the start line.

The Championship is split into two sub-divisions, namely Works and Privateers. The driver split will be;

WORKS drivers

Kinghiro (R)	Evil Clive	Hristo
Tim FMG	Steve Bird	John Roberts
Al Heller	Vosblod	Jethro
Sam B	Bartosz (Pod)	Baab (R)
Beefpie (R)	Rick N (R)	JHalli (R)
Fulvio P (R)	Tommie van O (R)	EasternSun (R)

PRIVATEERS drivers

Bernie	Burtoner	Mike Turner
Billy Nobrakes	Bookie W	Nigel Smith
Fabio (Il Lupo)	Ronnie Peterson	Paul Badblood
Martin Maddog (R)	Ross Gilles27 (R)	Hannah (R)
Nicky I (R)	Happy Al (R)	D-Rock (R)

EasternSun (R) - sub-division to be decided upon

67 Patch: The 1.3 Release of the 67mod can be used.

NOTE: Please ensure you join the correct server, due to the way we import if you start the race on the wrong server your result will not count.

The track was designed and built in the late 1950s, and held its first major race in 1961, the Player's 200, a sports car race bringing drivers from the world over to rural Ontario. Stirling Moss won the event in a Lotus 19. The proposed hairpin was expanded into two discrete corners, to be of greater challenge to the drivers and more interesting for the spectators, at his suggestion, and is named Moss Corner in his honour. This is a source of lingering confusion as many people call the track Mossport. It has had a succession of owners since the original public company created to build the track. Mosport achieved acclaim though a series of international sports car races under the title "Canadian Grand Prix" normally reserved for Formula 1 races. F1's Grand Prix of Canada remained at the track until 1977.
Unlike many historic motorsport venues, Mosport's track layout has remained mostly unchanged from its original form.

Does that mean the best car anyone can get for the first race is Brabham (10 tokens)? What does "10 for crossing the start/finish line" mean exactly? You get them AFTER you cross the line once, after you finish the first race or what?

Oh and another question - are we going to use GPL TV for this race?

Hristo, the 10 tokens starting point means if you cross the line in the Lotus you get enough tokens to not be disqualified for taking it. So anybody can take any car for the first race.

Tokens per Jethro - you'll get 20 in total when you cross the start line at the beginning of the race.
GPL tv - sorry not yet need to physically put it on ukgpl -6, will do it during the week.

Bad luck tonight: I'm not able to join the server (error 10054). :cursing:
It's better going to sleep, as I have to wake up in 5 1/2 because of a job trip...

You weren't the only one Fabio, Bernie was also having problems joining.

Managed to string an error free lap and a PB in the Honda of a 1:22.0 in qualifying, and come the start I was reasonably confident of keeping it on the island. However, whilst watching FMG and John Roberts battle in the two Brabhams I was increasingly aware of the threat from behind.

Then an opportunity arose on the exit of the last corner when John checked FMG up. I drove by on the outside, knowing full well he would be on the inside of T1. However warp contact halfway around put me into the outside barrier and a front-left wheel missing. 5 laps I managed.

Ah well, move on to the next one and see what carnage occurs.

The same for me Error 10054 detected on network wtf is going on  >:(
tried using IP address same result
tried re boot , tried cursing , tried everything
Could join WORKS on T7 but not Vos server

I Demand a null and void race , this happened last season and I lost points which ultimately wrecked my racing season  >:(
Now ruined again due to no fault of mine , hope you guys enjoy the rest of S20 series I'm out sorry but this is no good , got better things to do than feck about trying to join a stupid 3rd rate server

Correction , not even 3rd rate  >:( >:( >:(

Hardly the race I was hoping for. Thought I'd plump for my old favourite BRM for this race. Qualified a lowly 12th, about 8 tenths off Al's impressive benchmark. For the start, I couldn't see the flagman being around to corner and was slow to get away. Bob behind me, meanwhile had a screamer and went for the gap in-between me and another car. Sadly me and Bob touched, his race over and mine severely compromised with a damaged car.

I thought I'd try and carry, on, making places on attrition, lapping at around 10 seconds off the pace. Unfortunately, I got in the way of Bartosz on one of the sweepers, ruining his race. After that, I felt it wasn't worth it incase I ruined anyone else's race and pulled off.

Still, hopefully this can be put down as a troubled weekend. It'll be my centenary next race, so I must have a decent result there  ;D. Hope the rest of you had a good race.

Congr :notworthy:ats to Ross in the Privateer race. I was never going catch you in my BRM. Thanks to everyone on the racing etiquette tonight. But especially Vos for getting our race together at the last minute!

Bernie,
Thats a bit over the top.
The main server fell over so Tim gave up his own race to run it off the home PC.
I could connect but got multiple dosconnects which killed my race before the start line - but this sort of thing happens with on line racing.

I'm sorry you feel that way Bernie but I respect your decision. The stupid third rate server was my home PC.
As you may be aware we have one 'dedicated' server which the members kindly donate towards - beyond that we have Mike's and mine. Mine is actually a laptop at another location and, although steady, is in a house and is subject to the odd blip. Tonight, with impeccable timing, after running with no problems for weeks, it crashed. I won't know why until I go there to find out.

So I had a choice tonight - either tell a whole bunch of drivers they had wasted their time turning up so I could wander off and join our paid for server to race in Works which I'm signed for OR run it off my own PC and in the process sacrifice my own race at a track I really like. I chose the latter as I take responsibility being the Division Moderator.

Most drivers managed to join and race without problem (I should know I had to sit there and watch). I am sorry you had issues getting in and have no idea why as the majority were fine.
I'm sorry you feel the server structure is no good (give us three dedicated servers God  ::)) but we are at the mercy of the goodwill of our drivers.

Tim, it's honorable what you did, but to avoid sacrificing anyone's race, including yours, perhaps events should be rescheduled for the end of the season in such situations.

I had a very tough race after taking a comfortable pole position by nearly a second, but knew that the Honda fares differently in race trim.

Tom (not KingHiro) put up great pressure upon me right from the start and this lasted for the majority of the race. On occasions he was so close that I had to take big risks to stay in front and nearly went off a couple of times because of that. We even made contact at T3 some laps after the start when Tom braked a bit too deep, but fortunately nothing bad happened.

After some time Tom went off at T2 and gave me some breathing room, but I did the same a couple of laps later and rejoined JUST infront of him, and then the battle continued.

My car was becoming a bit easier to drive as the fuel load went down, but Tom just kept closing up, especially on the exit of T2 and only my good exits off Moss corner saved me from any real attacks. I still had to use the full revs of the Honda whenever necessary, so it was uncertain whether I would reach the finish.

Near the end of the race we caught up with Al and Evil, and after passing Evil I had to slot behind Al for almost a whole lap as apparently he took my Honda for Evil's, but at the same time Tom had another off and that decided the outcome of the race.

Very difficult race, but I'm happy with the way I conducted it except that off at T2 and a few minor errors, most of which as a result of pushing to the limit.

An ok start from 4 th gave way to Tim in t1. Tim seemed to loose a bit speed in the long lefthander but I didn t dear attack and backed off. I Honda passed me on the inside. * no prib see(JW maybe). would have enjoyed that position but after the jump I landed horribly wrong angled( focused on cars) and went straight out even before the right turn. With an unbeliavable luck my car got from it undamaged... I was granted third after other drivers mistakes. My pace was actually better than I thought it would be  :)

it was "one of those races" where nothing ever quite went as planned.  :-\

Qually was slightly below what I had hoped for.
The start was just about OK.
The early laps were notable, only because I blindly followed Tom Hiro off the track at the end of the straight  ::).
Rejoining almost last ( Sam's problems saved me from being dead last).
The "off" had altered something somewhere, as the car was never as predictabable as it should have been and the rear left tyre had developed its own internal heat source!!.
The middle of the race saw me pick up a few places as cars retired, until Tim decided to stop examining the scenery and stay on track long enough to chase me down  :-\. Eventually the heat in the tyre reached critical mass and I left the track to allow Tim a clear pass.

Almost caught Al, but Hristo and Thomas decided that they would choose that moment to start lapping us, so we were obliged to yield and restart our battle. Then Thomas spun in front of me and timed his recovery to pass me again just as I ad caught up with Al!! In all the excitement I went wide and ripped a wheel off.
The perfect end to a perfect race..... :-X

Pleased to get a class win as I was seriously undercooked for this one. Took the lead at the start and built up a decent gap to Ronnie in second who was keeping me honest. Had three or four minor errors but had the lead at ten seconds when a backmarker spun between T3 and T4 leaving me to smash into them.

Was sure I would need a reset and stop and go, which would have lost me the race, but somehow my Brabham survived unscathed although Ronnie was right behind me. Managed to channel my frustration into some quick laps and pulled away to win.

My pleasure at victory is tempered by the fact that it was a depleted field, I'm sure Bernie for one would have been up there challenging or even winning. It was thanks to Tim that we had a race at all, and he sacrificed his works debut in order to try and give the privateers a run out on his own PC.

Bernie, I know you are really hacked off about what happened, but lets remember that UKGPL is not iRacing. We pay a voluntary amount each quarter and all the moderating and equipment is provided by members who give up their spare time to help us race. We have to expect that these things will happen from time to time. That said if the majority agree then I would be happy for the race to be declared as non-championship.

Season 20 is under way, and controversy makes an early showing . . .

I can't say this was an ideal race for myself, or Bernie.  I couldn't connect with the track at various corners, and he couldn't connect at all! 

I've missed races as well, and it's a great disappointment, but always helps to have someone to blame.  If the race had been called off, there would have been many more disappointments, with everyone all keyed up, and ready to race.  If I could've helped out in chat Bernie, I would have.  You saw me join after you couldn't, which suggested the problem was at your end.  If someone here can come up with a magical setting for you, I hope they will. There have always been unforeseen mechanical breakdowns in Motor Racing.  Your participation is required, to show the youngsters how it's done, so don't let reality prevail! 

My plan for the race, was to quickly take the lead from Ross, and pull away for the win.  Things were looking good, right up to the first corner. which I sort of forgot about.  So I reverted to plan B, which
was to explore the countryside, do some sightseeing, perhaps have a barbecue over some smoking tyres, and put in some fast pracy laps in between.  This all worked rather well!

Some classy racing up front, from 67s' virtual unknown, Ross, and rapid Ronnie.   It was the shiny new, one reset rule which saved my bacon, and let me carry on to the finish.  So my thanks to those who brought this about.  And I'm already looking forward to the next battle . . . all except the corners! >:( ;)

My first 67 race in UKGPL, it's been a long time coming.

First off, a massive thank you to Vos for hosting the race, at the cost of his own race. It was a great thing to do for your fellow drivers and most of us are very grateful to you for it.

My race was much better than I expected, my time were about 3-4 seconds faster than my times in pratice. I really don't know were that pace came from, but I was happy with it. I really expected to be last, so I was surprised when I wasn't on the back row. I got off the grid quite well, and really took it easy for a few laps. Once I'd settled I discovered I was 4th in the race, and keeping the leaders in sight. I had a spin which still left in 4th, but on my own. After that I kept my pace steady, M Hunt was much quicker than me, so I let him pass without too much of a fight.

At this point I was happy with my place, I didn't have anyone near me, I had a good margin behind me. Someone in front did a stop and go which gave me another place, I didn't expect to keep the place as the other car was faster me, so I wouldn't of put up much of a fight if I had been caught. It didn't matter much anyway, as my ISP decided to kill my internet connection. I droped out of the race with about 7-8 laps left.

These things happen, and overall I'm very pleased with my first 67 race. I will be doing more as and when I can.

Quite an exciting race for me. Was pleased to start as "best of the BRM's" although that was back in 10th place! Got a clean start & comfortably tailed a pack of Brabs during the early laps. Thanks to spinners ahead, I was soon elevated to the dizzy heights of 4th place, but I knew it'd be a struggle to hold onto that in the tank & sure enough I was soon caught by a recovering Bartosz (Brabham) & King Hiro (Lotus). Battling with my teammates was not a good idea so I let them through on the straight on successive laps - they were clearly quicker & I figured any defensive driving by me at such an early stage would have only slowed us all down & allowed Evil Clive & FMG to catch up even quicker than they already were.

As the race went on, more retirements ahead meant I once again found myself back in 4th but with about 6 laps to go I had a bad landing at the jump & bounced off heavily into the hedge. Luckily the BRM proved to be rather strong so I managed to rejoin in one piece but now had FMG's Brabham breathing right down my neck. Discovered that I had incurred minor suspension damage & the BRM was now extremely nervous over the jump so FMG was easily able to sweep past down the main straight. Was concentrating hard trying to catch FMG again, when suddenly I noticed Clive was right behind me. This is where things got a little confusing... only a few laps to go so I was doing my level best to keep Clive's Honda behind - but what I didn't realise was that Hristo's leading Honda was right behind Clive & about to lap us both! I was so focused on watching the road & just keeping that white thing in my mirrors behind me, that it wasn't until I glanced at Prib that I noticed that I was battling with the wrong Waza! Apologies to Hristo who I think understood my confusion - thankfully no harm was done & perhaps this shows that Prib does have some good uses! Once H was past, Clive swooped onto my tail again but our fight was interrupted to allow 2nd place Tommy through & after he went by I didn't see Clive behind so after all that was very relieved to finish 5th.

Congrats to H & the 2 Toms for the podium. Shame Vos couldn't join us as he'd put in some good practice for his Works debut & was looking quick - showed true dedication to the UKGPL cause by sacrificing his race to host the Privateers.

 

Hi all,

This was the first points race for me in UKGPL, after a last minute decision to show up after I was brutally kicked out of another league race. Thanks to Tim for letting me join the works drivers :) .

Obviously I was looking for revenge after the disaster in my previous race, but the 1967 Ferrari requires much smoother handling compared to a 1966 Eagle Climax which I'd been in prior, so the first couple of quali laps were pretty wild. After I got to feel back for the car I set a very reasonable quali time, much better than in the practice race we had earlier in the week. It was good enough for P2 with Hristo miles away in P1.

I had a good start but unfortunately not good enough to challenge Hristo for the lead going into turn 1. In the first couple of laps I was glad I had the pace to follow him round until in dawned on me that I was actually fractionally faster! However Hristo kept his cool so the was just no way past, even when I nudged him into T3. Sorry, my fault!

Then I did a little pirouette in turn 2, enough to set me back four seconds. I started to go into hot pursuit mode when I suddenly saw a Honda into the grass at T2 as well! Hristo rejoined just in time and instead of going kamikaze in an attempt to overtake the recovering Hristo into T3, I decided to tuck in behind him. The rest of the race was a copy of the first half, until I made another spin at T2 a couple of laps before the end. Hristo didn't make any more big mistakes so I was left with P2 8 seconds behind. But all in all, I'm very happy with the race and where I ended up :) .

Grats to Hristo and King Hiro and all other finishers, also in the Privateers race! Looking forward to seeing the replay.

Tom.

Interesting comments on the Privateers race.

I Demand a null and void race

perhaps events should be rescheduled for the end of the season in such situations.

I would be happy for the race to be declared as non-championship.

Things go wrong for someone every race whether its their own fault or not. If you start declaring races null, void, resheduled, non championship whatever, I suspect you could end up with complaints and demands every race?

Anyway, well done Vos (on the server and sacrifice) Ross Gilles27 (on the win) and Happy Al (on your first race). Commiserations to Bernie, Fabio and anyone else who had connection problems. I for one hope to see you ALL at the next race.

 :rockon:

Congrats to Hristo on another well deserved win!   :clap:

My race was a disaster.  I was over-driving the whole way which is a recipe for just that.  Combine that with my reoccurring stupidity of not turning off my screen saver and it's no wonder I did so bad.  Qualified as well as I could have hoped with a new Brabham PB.  But as usual my PBs are only good for mid-pack running.  Start was OK, holding my position, but within a few laps I over shot T2.  A few laps later I was in a run down the back straight, side by side with Tim (I think).  The car got slightly wiggly at the crest and I couldn't gather it in before sliding off all the was to the hedges.  Tim also over cooked it and if that was due to my fumbling I apologize.  I so wanted to keep it clean.  Luckily we both continued but these errors were just the start of many for me.  I almost never quit a race because I'm doing poorly but in this case, sometime after my second black screen, I just hung it up.  Next race I need to transition mentally out of my kamikaze qualifying frame of mind into a more survivable close-to-the-edge but don't go over attitude.  And oh yeah, TURN OFF THAT M$%&ER F&^*%NG SCREEN SAVER!

Congrats to all finishers!

As Sam mentioned we tangled at the start...I had good intentions of plodding round at the back hoping that others would fall off.  However, seeing Sam slow away I moved in front but had to slow given the cars in front (or perhaps I was out of shape) then we made contact and I lost a wheel, shortest race ever.  For my part I am sorry Sam, as I moved across I couldn't see you, think you were coming from behind (ooh err) as we made contact.

I took the BRM since I am still racing with low graphics but didn't want to miss the start of the season, also not great at Mosport, so thought I'd bag some tokens.  However I am listed as DNS in the results but I actually started the race.  Err...so do I get the tokens, or was my BRM choice for nowt?

@Baab: It's whether you crossed the S/F line or not that counts. Mods will likely check the replay to be sure.

Replays are in the usual place http://www.jamesonline.net/ukgpl/ (http://www.jamesonline.net/ukgpl/). I've checked the Privateers replay for Sh/R's and it looks like you are all au fait with the new rules as nobody took more then one and those that did make use of it took a SnG.
I realise that, after the server problems last night, legitimate concerns have been raised regarding the server situation. There are two potential ideas on the horizon which may or may not come to fruition but, as an immediate measure, we will make sure we have UKGPL_5 as an emergency standby server for the Sunday races.
Incident reports by close of play Friday if possible.

I've had a look and I'm afraid you ended up on the bank BEFORE the start/finish line so sorry but you have no tokens yet.

You mean he has 10 tokens, right? And would he get another 10 when he crosses the line at the next race?

Hmmm... as H says I should have at least 10 tokens.  Text from Grads 20 page says I get 10 for 'starting' the race.  Does this mean because I didn't cross the line I didn't actually start the race?  Wasn't thinking enough to limp across the line minus a front wheel!!!!  Pretty funny that, gotta laugh  ;D  Suppose I'll know for future but don't plan on making a habit of such early exits!

Cheers,

Bob.

Well it's not happened so far but yes technically you didn't start the race so the system does not recognise you as starting your season. It would be the same as someone joining the wrong sub-division (ie Privateers or Works) then realising in qually and leaving. If you look at my tokens they are sitting at zero too as I did qually but didn't start. Effectively, due to it being your first race, you have been treated as not 'starting the season' yet. It's one of those things to do with the first race you enter.

In reality yes you have ten tokens de facto. As soon as you do your next race and 'start', ie cross the line, the system will treat is as 'starting your season' and your initial ten will be there (plus ten for 'starting' the race) ie you have not lost your initial season start tokens - hope I haven't made that sound too muddled  ;)

Actually I am with Bernie - not cos I think he is right but cos I had to miss it but I did fix my leak (wasn't the washing machine in the end) just a faulty isolation valve. Only been leaking for six months or so. I've had a look at the times and I reckon I would have joined my teammates in the Hondas - Nigel is too fast for me but I might have squeezed in next. So in the fantasy Privateers I'm off to a flier...

You weren't around when I got around that in the first ever Graduates race! ;D

Bernie, glad to see you've got your blood pressure under control.  I know how frustrating and annoying it can be when you can't join a race.  I'm having a few connection problems myself these days.  For the Watkins 1948 warm-up race we did I had a message like "Your connection has too much latency" or something similar, but after repeated attempts to join I eventually got in.  I've never had that before.  When I did join the connection meters were nearly full scale. 

I also get a lot of web pages timing out too.  I think it's time I changed my ISP but it might be a case of "out of the frying pan and into the fire" if I do.

The main server T7_2 is pretty solid so any problems with that are probably down to client connections (like mine).  The other servers aren't quite as good but I expect the mods will normally run a few practice sessions so people can test their connections well in advance.  I think the situation with the servers for the last Grads race was an exception. 

Sorry you missed the first Ams race, hope you can make the rest.

There's a setting when hosting a GPL race that limits the amount of latency people who join can have, so the Watkins Glen server probably had that. I think we shouldn't use such limits for the official events and leave it to those with lots of lag to conduct themselves properly and get penalized if they cause an accident rather than keeping them out of the race completely with a ping limit.

Also sometimes ISPs cause temporary spike in latency that may last just a few minutes, but if you can't join a server because of that, you miss out those few minutes instead of doing your Qualifying runs where lag is irrelevant (unless the dreaded S bar goes up and you take pole with a 6 seconds lap, lol).

How can it be my connection ? we can join other servers,  but not the one used by VOS and if we had managed to join what would the latency have been like with more cars on the grid ? Whats wrong with resceduling a race , its been done before

Being unable to connect still doesn't resolve the points situation ,the main thing that peed me off as it effects car choice for the next race/ races. 

Why should we be penalised for not being able to join , weve had all this stuff before , it was even suggested that some one not at home on a particular w/e could join a race from wherever , and using for e.g. his laptop,  start the race in say the BRM , do the neccasary 1 lap and retire thus collecting max bonus points for the next race .

 

This comment is not submitted to antagonise the situation here, it is a genuine question....

How do you propose it is done then Bernie?

I do sympathise with your predicament but the line must be drawn somewhere with regard to awarding tokens.  IMHO I think to reward safe driving that nothing (championship points, tokens, cuddly toy) should be awarded until something like 75% of the race has been completed, but that too has its fall downs.

Thoughts? And I welcome any comments, not just from Bernie on that.

I actually like the 75% idea, although enforcing it could be a 'mare, in the event of 2 people being taken out would the 'innocent' party (as determined by mods) still be given their points? ect ect.
It's actually something that I wouldn't object to next season if we can work out how to deal with incidents fairly and in a mannner that drivers are happy with  :)

As for the problem Bernie and the others who couldn't join had I don't really know what to suggest short of the potential other servers coming to fuitition*.
There's a problem I'm aware of on the Xbox with sky internet (broadband) and router settings when hosting private races in Forza, but I'm not technically minded enough to understand if it (or something similar) is perhaps responsible for sunday....

*one of the potentials is mine so will be a little while as i'm a muppet at this sort of thing!

One of the unfortunate consequences of changing to a 75% completion before you get your tokens for the next race rule would be to ruin the championship. Sure it rewards safe fast driving but it also gives in essence the best drivers an increasing advantage over the course of the season allowing them to select the best cars. Hardly conducive to close racing. Personally I don't think the moderators would cope with the complaints from drivers being penalised for shift R/stop and go penalties not taken during races. Leave well alone?

I think you have 10 tokens for the next race, Bernie, plus 10 more for crossing the s/f line for the first time, so that's 20 tokens and the choice of any car you want. If not this, what do you mean about tokens?

BTW, if you wouldn't care about tokens if you drive the Wazamobile all the time.  ;)

Yes Bernie will have 20 for the next race, but I think his point is that depending on which chassis he took, he could have had up to 30 tokens when starting race 2 therefore is disadvantaged through no fault of his own by the 10 tokens missed in race 1, potentially affecting his future chassis choice further along the championship.

Clear as mud, right  ???

I take absolutely no responsibility for this, despite the fact that yep, that was me.

Just on availability of servers, if I can't get or pay for one at work I'll order one in my spare time and set it up for GPL racing and see how it goes.

Very good point there. Something that can be included for debate for S21.

Getting back to the issue of rescheduling races the general guidelines are here (https://www.ukgpl.com/index.php/rules/etiquette). Cancelling an event is an absolute last resort. Nine drivers connected and were able to race and there has been no feedback that the connection was unstable, the two that disco'd were due to their own ISP issues. Where the majority can connect, I find it is often a case of conflicting core.ini values, you can see the server mdm settings in IGOR. When remote hosting you can set the server to override the client values.
Under the circumstances, and I am only aware of two drivers who could not connect, the majority joined and raced with no problems so there is no evidence the connection was either unstable or unobtainable. This would not constitute a red flag situation or justify deleting the event and organising a re-run. I do of course have sympathy for the two that couldn't join, I know the feeling well.

Yep same for me. As mentioned above you will have 20 going into the next race.  Out of interest what are your ini settings? My home pc is 84/116.

My intension was to race the coop so My points total for the next race would have been (well you work it out ) more than 20 anyway , hopefully to allow a faster car on tracks where a speed advantage counts over handling , thats the idea is it not ?

Dont know my  ini settings off hand or how to find the info you ask but I did notice T7 was set for different values than your (3rd rate  ::) ) laptop server.

As said we have had similar situations before , it has helped to test connection prior to race day by having servers available for test sessions , unfortunately this wasn't the case or we would not be discussing the problem here .

How hard would it be in future to award no fault none starters there due tokens (points) as if they had completed 1 lap I dont know, I suppose it is impractible , one of the foibles of virtual GPL world we have to live with , doesnt help the feeling of sheer desperation when everyone else goes racing and we are left out in the cold staring at a dammed error message .

Ooh that hurts, the old girl has run a lot of our races - don't ask re settings, I think there was a 6 page thread at the time  ::)

Hmm. Firstly we try to keep the system as automatic as possible - Dave writes the LM2 code and the system does the rest - I can't even manually change the tokens.
As to actually implementing it I think your use of the word 'impracticable' sums it up. Where would we start and where would we stop (and how could a rule like that be worded); 'I had a heart attack last night as I was joining', 'my rabbit chewed through my cables', 'I caught the Mrs inflagranti'; I think you get the gist.
Personally I've revamped my chassis selections and they are not far off what I was planning, don't forget the worst two results (or no results) are dropped just for things like this. Believe me I do appreciate how frustrating it feels to be staring at a race you can't join after putting in time for it but as you say it's part of the GPL world. If we had the resources of I-Racing you could sue but we don't (and don't even think about it  ;D)

That will be the significant factor IMO

The hardware is irrelevant for GPL, well assuming if we are talking about a modern laptop.  We ran GPL successfully for years on servers that were crap compared to modern budget laptops!!!

The issue is internet contention.  So many people are on the net these days it is getting harder to obtain a reliable connection.  Bandwidth isn't the problem it is latency caused by contention if the server is not on a dedicated commercial line (as would be the case with a home based server using a domestic ISP).

are we saying here that if I had changed my ini thingy to that of  VOS's server the connection would have been good ?

Just found the settings , forgot I had written 'em down at the time ......

Vosb   3/84   3/100

T7      3/84   3/132

I have no idea what these mean or how they effect the server , but would this explain why I could join T7 but not Vosb 3R   ???


 

They're packet sizes, in theory though Vos' server should be set to over-ride your own Ini. which as I understand it should have allowed you to join.

Of course Tim may have made a mistake in the rush of sorting something at such short notice  :)

If you want to try to understand it have a look through Bart Westra's pages (http://www.xs4all.nl/~westrab/gpl.htm).  This guy is seriously clever, in fact he wrote the bandwidth patch.

A detailed technical explanation of what 3/84 and 3/100 mean is on this page (http://www.xs4all.nl/~westrab/gplol2.htm).  I'm not going to try to paraphrase Bart's explanations it will only confuse matters.

All a bit complicated but I think the simple answer is for everyone to always use the same settings (when starting the servers) then it shouldn't matter which server we join, the client settings will always be OK ( assuming the drivers don't change their settings between races.  My understanding is that the client should be set to be the same or faster than the server).  The recommended server settings for UKGPL are here (https://www.ukgpl.com/index.php/moderating/igor) under paragraph 5.  Easy to say in hindsight, I know only too well it can get very hectic on race night!!

Yep that's my understanding too - my home one and UKGPL_6 are set at 100. If I recall we had a bit of debate when 6 was set up and 100 was the number reccomended. It's run many of our races since with no problems.

When you 'remote' host you can override clients so it doesn't matter what the drivers have set. When you host directly (ie from your own pc) you don't get that option so 100 is a good choice as no one should really be set below this figure.
The first thing to do with a repeated time-out is to temporarily change your core.ini to match the server which should solve the problem if it's due to a miss-match. I thought this was common knowledge in the GPL world as anyone who has never had a time-out is very lucky.

I never knew or did this. I had always just tried connecting until it works or give up.  ::)

Well if you didn't know with your longevity then I guess it's not common knowledge. I must have spent too much time reading GPL forums ;D

You cannot know how relieved I was to read this post, and know that I am not alone, and that my solution to such a problem is precisely the same ........................... :stupid: :sweatdrop: :yes:

Hi all,

I'm only a newbie here with one race under my belt, but I've been racing with the GPLRACER's for a long time.  If I understand it correctly the point of the token system is to be an equalizer so the fast guys have to take slow cars while the slow guys can take a fast car. Currently the chassis choice over at GPLRACER's is of a free choice, but when I first joined them they had a different rule with regards to the 1969 league.

The rule was very simple: Make sure no car is used more than once. If I understand correctly our UKGPL season 20 has more than 7 races, so you could change the rule into 'Make sure no car is used more than twice.'. This way you even have a free chassis choice of some sorts if there are less than 14 races.

For me it doesn't matter, it's more the guys I race with rather than the cars I race in :) .

Tom.

Hmmm . . .  an interesting system.  On the plus side, you'd have a more novel spread of car/driver combinations.  While a minus for some, would be the need to familiarise with more of the chassis.

It is the Waza way!  ;D

I wasn't getting timed out , though that's useful info for the future ( If I can remember)

My problem read ...

OPENING CHANNEL
OPENING NETWORK DEVICE
10054 : ERROR DETECTED ON NETWORK DEVICE
CLOSING ...... bla bla bla

My question is ....

How do I stop this error message from happening next time I want to race ?

 ??? ??? ???

I only get this message when there's a connection problem on my end, i.e. my ISP or something. But I guess it's different in this case since you could connect to other server. Very odd...

Not sure so the only thing we can do is run a few tests.  I've set my server (UKGPL.4) up on IGOR with the same BW settings as UKGPL.6.  It's running 66 Mosport so it can be used as praccy for Historics Round 1.  The relevant lines in my client core.ini are:


The key thing is to set net_mdm_server_send_size to be bigger than the server (which in this case is set to 100). 

Try to connect and if you can't try changing net_mdm_server_send_size to 100.  Remember if you do that you will need to change it back before you try to joint T7_2 otherwise you will get the bandwidth mismatch error (because T7_2 will be set to net_mdm_server_send_size = 132).

My server is OK for praccy and testing but I wouldn't trust it for a league race.

I've never had one of those.
Let's see what happens with Phil's test. A search around throws up a myriad of issues but no actual solutions and this (http://srmz.net/index.php?showtopic=5978&st=0&p=49701&hl=10054&fromsearch=1&#entry49701) is all I could find at SRMZ which seems to indicate we weren't shaking hands properly :o

You're not running McAfee are you? I found some references to that. Also, are you running IGOR v1.5 - there is reference to occasional errors in previous versions. Just a thought but maybe it was enforcing some kind of maximum latency even though I didn't set that.

Any IT experts out there?

I'm no IT expert BUT McAfee security software is a disaster. If you are suffering any regular or random internet and/or network disconnections, chances are McAfee is your problem. At worst disable it and see if the problems go away. Better still use Add/Remove and get rid of it forever and use something like AVGfree. I have removed McAfee from more than one computer ton solve network/internet connection issues.

For Gaming I'd reccomend Avast Ronnie, I tried AVG on my gaming rig (hadn't tried it before) and it had a noticable impact on modern games - since removing that and installing Avast the games rig has been perfect  :)

That said I agree with you 110% about Mcafee  ;D

I binned AVG a few seasons ago because of continual connection problems , I do not have any AV running on my games machine though I was thinking of adding Avast on a trial basis  ::)

Because of all the previous trouble I had, I did a complete re install of GPL using the latest installer prior to S19 

I have had no problems whatsoever connecting anyplace, day, date or time until the S20 grads thing on Vos's laptop server.

Phil I will try your connection though I dont think it will prove anything as the problem seems to be between me and Vos ( maybe its a personal thing "like poles" etc )  :-\

I'm hoping we dont really need to change settings for different servers , afraid I'm not to good at that sort of thing and tend to dig myself into a very deep hole when I start tweaking ini files etc .

   

Sorry just to clarify the race was NOT run on UKGPL_6 (ie the laptop server), which as far as I'm aware has had no problems. Well apart from not responding for the race - hence our putting UKGPL_5 on standby in future as a back up.
The event ran off my home PC which is set to 116 (just checked).

Is it possible for you to check your core.ini settings Bernie as I'm now thinking that could be it.
You'll find the core.ini in your GPL folder, just scan down and look for these lines;
I just need your numbers.

I use the free version of Avira and it's awesome. Super light and very high protection, so I recommend it thoroughly. It's a stand-alone anti-virus though, so you'd need a separate firewall - I use Comodo.

Its just called core (without the .ini extension )

net_mdm_client_send_size = 84                ; Client packet size on dialup
net_mdm_server_send_size = 384               ; Server packet size on dialup


I take it these are the ones  ?

Why modem ? thought that was for old 56k telephone line stuff

The .ini bit is probably hidden by Windows. You're set to the maximum then so shouldn't have had mismatch problems with 116. Ignore reference to modems, leftover stuff from earlier days I guess.
I'm afraid the mystery remains then.

Incidentally, I didn't just decide to run it on my home PC on the off chance it would work. I've used it in the past for many online sessions without problems - it's even managed to run the GT mod.

I still beileve it could be related to ISP problems (no necessarily your ISP) on that day (and hour). Perhaps in the line between your and Tim's location, Bernie. That error message doesn't appear when you have incorrect BW settings or any other settings.

On the AV Front, I was using AVG but it's not as good as it was. I'm currently using Microsoft Security Essentials, which so far has been great. It's very light weight and can be easily disabled to play online games. Again it's only a stand alone Anti Virus, you'll need a firewall too, I use ZoneAlarm.

The error code 10054 is generated by the underlying TCP/IP network that GPL (and everything else network related on your PC) relies on.  As far as I know the formal meaning is "Connection reset by peer. An existing connection was forcibly closed by the remote host."  What that means in reality is that the server and client (your computer) have stopped communicating (or more accurately couldn't establish a connection) for some reason.  The question is why?  It could be a timeout i.e. it has taken so long to establish a connection either the server or the client decided to terminate the connection or it could be that your firewall has decided to close a particular port.

Given that you can connect to servers most of the time then it is probably not your firewall settings.   So it must be something to do with latency causing a timeout.  A virus checker could be introducing latency so switching it off or using a "lighter" virus checker might help.  Shutting down any background tasks would also help.  I think the bandwidth settings in GPL are also a factor.

However I suspect it will boil down to something outside your control like your ISP or the ISP of the server.  So to be honest I'm with Hristo on this one (he also thinks it will be ISP related) but that shouldn't stop us trying everything else first.  Changing ISP is a pain and there is no guarantee another ISP will be any better.  It could simply be down to your local exchange.

If it helps, the only time I get error 10054 is when my internet connection drops completely.

Dont have any AV or virus checker

Dont have firewall running for gpl

I often get "timed out" message on "some" servers , (maybe be the latency thing ) but clicking the "would you like to try again" button usually gets me in !

can't say i've ever seen the 10054 message before, but it could be I just never notice it  ::)


Thanks for trying to sort it though much appreciated .


 

 

I get it all the time - even on my own server :o Sometimes it takes three stabs. I think it's just the timing of when you try to touch the lady...

I've noted you're more likey to time out when connecting if a horde of drivers have all trie to join at once, if you avoid the rush and go in either late or early you'll go get straight in - this is especially the case with detailed circuits that take a while to load (for instance Monaco is about 300 meg for me!  :o )

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