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Welcome one and all the Season 20 running of the Amatures trophy for lunatics fans of the nippy 1965 mod cars.
The season opener will be at Mosport and will hopefully be closely fought but clean to set the scene for the rest of the championship ( I want an easy intro ;) )
Hopefully the chassis allocations will have worked out well and will provide us with a good fight to the end - Best of luck everyone  8)
No bonus points will given for guessing the theme to this seasons passwords, but the first person to do so can claim their place as our resident clever clogs  ;)


Race List = IGOR
Server = UKGPL_T7_2
IP address = 62.149.202.168
Race date = 12-10-2010
Time = 21:00 UK time
Track = Mosport 67
Variant = 65F1
Damage Model = PRO
Qualifying time = 35 minutes. Don't start until 30 mins left on clock to allow everyone to join.
Race length = 50 minutes (laps 34)
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

65 Patch: The 2.02 Release of the 65mod can be used.

Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R;group=276;theme=6)
The track can be downloaded from : original papy track
Add-on’s available at : http://srmz.net/index.php?showtopic=2168  or 3099 (http://srmz.net/index.php?showtopic=2168  or 3099)

Please be in IGOR UKGPL chatroom by 8:50 pm UK Time

Reserve drivers should not join the server(s) until there are only 30 minutes of qualifying left. Please restrict chat to pit messages. Moderating will be by reported incidents only, however the moderators reserve the right to review any incident with a particular emphasis on lap one. The aim is to review the race the following weekend so incident reports should be submitted within five days of the race (ie the following Friday). We're hopeful most incidents can be resolved amicably and recommend a days deep breath with a replay review before posting. A sorry in the forum won't be taken as an automatic admission of guilt by the moderators.
The race will be run on PRO Damage.

NOTE: Please ensure you join the correct server, due to the way we import if you start the race on the wrong server your result will not count.

Chassis assignments can be found HERE (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=8480.0) but are as follows for easy reference:

To give drivers some free choice in the chassis they drive for the season we have split the cars into groups based on average performance and split the drivers into groups based on average ability. The chassis numbers for Amateurs are as follows:

CHASSIS GROUPS
1 - Lotus, Ferrari
2 - BRM, Honda
3 - BT11
4 - Cooper
5 - BT7

Each driver has been given a seeding number and must pick a chassis with either an equal number or higher number but not a lower number. For example, if a driver is given a seeding of 2, he must pick one of the cars in group 2 (BRM or Honda) but if he would prefer to drive either the BT11, Cooper or BT7 he may do so. This means that a driver given a seeding of 1 can pick any chassis he prefers.


DRIVERS AND GROUPS

RESERVES
1 Bartosz
2 Jimmy Rye
2 Baab


FULL TIME
5 Hristo
5 Fmg
4 EvilClive
4 turkeymachine
3 John Roberts
3 g jonsson
3 Fulvio
2 al heller
2 kinghiro
1 Phil
1 Bernie
1 b_1_rd
1 clutch
1 Pete Maestro

YET TO VOTE
2 natan? (needs to vote in the poll)
1 Nicky?  (needs to vote in the poll)

**NOTE**
Whichever chassis a driver begins race 1 with is the chassis he must use for the remainder of the season unless a change has been agreed with the moderator.


The track was designed and built in the late 1950s, and held its first major race in 1961, the Player's 200, a sports car race bringing drivers from the world over to rural Ontario. Stirling Moss won the event in a Lotus 19. The proposed hairpin was expanded into two discrete corners, to be of greater challenge to the drivers and more interesting for the spectators, at his suggestion, and is named Moss Corner in his honour. This is a source of lingering confusion as many people call the track Mossport. It has had a succession of owners since the original public company created to build the track. Mosport achieved acclaim though a series of international sports car races under the title "Canadian Grand Prix" normally reserved for Formula 1 races. F1's Grand Prix of Canada remained at the track until 1977.
Unlike many historic motorsport venues, Mosport's track layout has remained mostly unchanged from its original form.

 :'( Have I been excluded?

Or did i mess up voting in registration?

I was having a blond moment  :-[
Sorry, added you now

Looks like I will miss this opening round guys, so someone else will have to stand on the top step of the podium, I'm sure you can agree amicably amongst yourselves.  ::)

I will be away on business for most of next week  :-\, just cannot make the customers understand that there are some things more important than completion dates for their multi-million pound project!!!!

I could see if the lads will send one of our multi-million pound projects across aka trident.    ;)

 :D
 :) :) As I all ready did declared  ; I don’t feel  like  `go stock car chrashing again ` ; for now .

Happy atomic splitting ………..
 ;D ;D

Nicky, not trying to offend you, but as I said before when you went to a lower division (2 seasons ago I think), you are far beyond the level of Novices and it seems improper to me that you go to race there (again). Results proved it last time. Don't you want to keep going up in your development as a driver? In the same way we could have half the Amateurs drivers go to Novices and drive Coopers or BT7s, but would it be reasonable?

Nicky isn't in Novs either this season.  At risk of speaking for him, I guess he doesn't wish to do either 65 option this time.

Hm, my bad then, I was under the impression he went to Novices. Sorry, Nicky.

Dilemma

Seems I am spoilt for choice on chassis types,  but not knowing the who'se who of 65 's can't decide which one to go with  ::)

BRM if you prefer more power or Lotus if you prefer better handling. I never liked the 65 Ferrari, but some say it has both.  ::)

Nicky, I'm sorry to hear that you are not contesting the 65's. I feel partially guilty after causing your exit at Watkins Glen  :hang:

I have had seasons in the past where I felt like my car was a magnet, with DNF's for race after race. But, that sort of luck cannot continue forever and I know that you are fast enough to be in the leading pack for just about any race.

I hope you think again and enter the 65 races in the Ams. ;)

True, true, the quality and close proximity of racing with 65 cars far outweight the occasional negative outcomes. Besides, we have rules to punish the guilty and I do believe UKGPL to be the fairest (or most fair?) league when it comes to making objective judgment and handing out penalties.

I always found it understeery, But when you can work around that it does go really quite well :)

I will not be racing in the opening round as I will be away on business  :-\

So, Nicky will have one less person to worry about should he decide to race  ;)

So wich car Im drive ?
Natan

It's on page 1 of this thread Natan, ie;
So your choice from groups 2 to 5, the only caveat is you have to stick with the chassis all season (see FMG's post re moderators agreeing changes)

why is the swede ranked in a group higher than me? he gives me trouble when I lap him!!!!

You mean Natan? Both of you are group 2 (much to my dislike ::)).

LOL Tom, I will stay well out of you way, but maybe you should join me in the BT11 if you dare.  :tank:

Göran

Indeed, BT11s for both of you I reckon, success dependent.

The difference is how consistant their speeds are - Tom can be blindingly fast in some places and a bit off pace at others.
Goran on the other hand is normally capable of fast laptimes wherever - when he gets more consistant (from a finishing/not making mistakes standpoint) the reason for his new group will make itself obvious I feel (hope!).

FWIW I think Tom will almost certainly be joining him next season anyway if he keeps improving  ;)

I agree, Tim, but I hope if either of them appears too dominant they'll be assigned the appropriate chassis sooner than what happened last season...

hristo do you have a problem with me ?
You dislike me ? Its your problem !!!
But if moderators choose DQ me its OK cos I dislike you too .
Natan

A problem? No, why? I'm just saying I hope car assignments work well and if they don't that we'll see a timely reaction by the moderators, and it wasn't about you in particular, but everyone. And why do you think anyone is going to DQ you?

Obviously you have a problem with me, but that's your problem.  ::)

I don't like driving this Cooper, it just doesn't go fast enough and I'm already handicapped enough as it is without straggling 40 seconds behind halfway through a race being a second a lap slower than the midfield.

Struggled with finding a setup that I could push in practice, eventually settled on Hristo's perfectly balanced Cooper setup which worked well in the race. Start was good, T1 good also, and T2 the fun and games began with a drifting car on the inside which pushed me onto the grass and last. After that only highlights were Bob and Clutch with an interesting battle that left a gap at Moss 2, an exit was quickly closed so they could make good their escape. A draft opportunity a few laps later presented itself but Clutch's positioning meant I had absolutely nowhere to go in the crux of the braking point. Sorry for the nudge.

Later, in what I thought was clear air a car appeared out of nowhere on the racing line on the exit of the third-last corner. Cue me definitely with nowhere to go and a flabbergasted HER wondering just what else could get in her beloveds way.

Sadly all fun was cut short 9 laps from the end when the internet connection died.

Careful driving from my side. Had an awful start since I lifted a bit early into t1 still thinking I could claim my position behind gøran who I was a bit up the side on .I was wrong and had an awkward t1 that made me stick to the side of the track and let 3 cars pass me before the long t2 was over. had some fun racing with tim who was scary quick in the turns but didn t really have power to pass. I made an awkward t2 at some point and let him pass but he went wide. I left the track at (sigh) t2 and tim passed me again but I controlled it back to the track without loosing too much speed. I caught up with the 3-4 cars in front of me again they made mistakes and I was on third  just behind gøran at the finish. Sorry to see my teamy Bartoz spin in(yes t2) on the final lap.
from the results I see that united kingdom did very well here hahaha :D

Had to join qually very late due to PC Problems, but no matter. Having seen the pole time i knew my PB was about a second+ shy, so knew i'd have no chance, especially as i've chosen the slower, but in my view, steady BT11 this season.

To be honest, my race was incredibly dull. I basically plodded round doing 1:26's to 1:28's (depending on when i missed a gear and found neutral on my G25 6-Shifter) and just waited for people to drop out as i had no chance of catching anyone. I'm not a Mosport expert though.

Still, this seasons tracks will be a challenge for me and i guess my ideal 65 league would be mid-way between the Novices and the Amateurs. Fear not though, i'll try and hang in as its good to test yourself against the best, even though i still think the races are a tad long with everything pretty much sorted position wise within 20 laps.

Anyway, still love GPL, and UKGPL.  ;)

I'm not a fan of racing at this track - opportunities to overtake can be scarce & because of that often end in incident... as I found to my misfortune for the second season in a row :(. It was looking promising at the start though - I got off the line well & was right on Goran's tail for the opening laps. Any thoughts of mounting a challenge ahead swiftly faded as my 4th place came under attack from Fulvio who was relentlessly pursuing me & looking for a way past. It was hard racing but I think fair - Fulvio's BT11 was much faster through the twisty bits but my BRM had the legs on the straights which meant we spent many laps locked together. After 15 laps of this, I suspect Fulvio's patience was wearing thin & he dived up the inside as we crested the hill into T2 - we both left each other room but unfortunately Fulvio touched the infield grass which spun him right out into my path. Wheel gone - DNF :'(.       

I'm very happy with how the race unfolded and particularly my own driving as I only made one mistake throughout the whole distance. After taking pole comfortably, I didn't have any illusions about the race being easy because of the slipstream and the usual loss of positions on the start with BT7's lack of drive.

Fortunately I made a decent start (or Nat lost some time) and was able to keep the lead going into and out of T1. I didn't want to engage in any battles with Natan after what he said earlier, so to avoid any risks that are out of my control I had to risk with things that I have control with. In other words - my own driving.

I pushed as hard as possible right from the beginning and was able to open up a slight gap, but not enough as to break the tow back to Nat who was very consistent in those early laps. I was purposely taking a different line on the exit of Moss hairpin so I could make the slipstream of my car less efficient. I don't know if it worked, but after a couple of laps the gap grew to 2 and then to 3 seconds.

Just when it became 4 seconds I had an off at T3 after clipping the grass under braking before the corner. Almost managed to not go off, but didn't want to risk a spin by turning to the inside, so I went off and returned back on the track just as Nat was entering the corner.

He was 1-2 seconds back now, so I had to do my earlier exercise and open up the gap again. It worked well though and I'm glad I did some serious modifications to my setup as it made the car very predictable and consistent, and very balanced as well, although there was some understeer, particularly in T1.

I kept pushing through the whole race because it helps with my concentration, so that made the gap back to 2nd bigger and bigger, and when Nat dropped back it was more than comfortable. This season I'm trying to up my game in races and be as consistent as possible and make as few mistakes as possible, so I kept this pace until the finish and it worked great.

Looking forward to the next race and I expect a very tough competition given how close the top 10 were in Qualifying, and that's without the presence of Evil or the usual pace of Jethro!

-=Hristo=-

Looks like I need more practice in the Cooper or a WR lap to base my driving against. I'd clearly forgotten how to drive Mosport and didn't really think I'd be given the Cooper after last season.

Quite pleased with that result.  My qually time was a PB by some considerable margin but way off Hristo's incredible pace.  Had a reasonable start for me, lost a couple of places but at least I didn't end up last.  I was comfortable with my setup and I tried to drive consistently instead of my usual trick of over doing it and spinning off.  It worked and I managed to complete the race without going off (I ran wide in T3 at one stage, I didn't spin but I couldn't get the power down till I got all 4 wheels back on the black stuff.  Apart from loosing a bit of momentum - no problem).  Steve was on my tail in the early stages but seemed to have a problem and dropped back a bit and my pit board showed a 5 second gap.  I settled into what was a boring period in the race from an overtaking point of view because there was no way I was going to catch any of the leaders.  The boredom didn't last long though, Steve got his act together and relentlessly closed the gap.  I managed to stay cool and not throw it away like I normally do.  Crossed the line just a few yards ahead of Steve. 

Thanks to FMG for the server, no incidents to report.  Didn't see any shunts either so hopefully the moderating workload will be light.

Good points
- Won the opening round of my private battle with Steve (after having been soundly beaten by him last season :P)
- Didn't get lapped for the first time ever in an Amateurs race (I think)

Bad Points
- Need to find at least second a lap to be in a position to challenge for a podium >:(

Was good fun Phil, but if you'd be kind enough to start spinning off again that would be great  :P

Enjoyed it though, hopefully I too can find some time and start making some of the faster boys look in their mirrors now and again.

Phil (and Steve), judging by the laptimes you're only half a second off the podium, and you don't actually need to find half a second to be in contention - slipstream would do the rest. So a few tenths is all you need.

First, Congrats to H for the win and KH for a nice race finish to 3rd.

So, the S20A is on it`s way and it begun OK for me. Due to a rather poor qulai performance I never got in the position to challenge H for the lead but I did a pretty OK race and picked up positions when others made mistakes and finished second. 4Th on the grid and 5Th fastest race lap mean that my second position was due to consistency and that is good I think.

Well, things will get more difficult in races to come, Evil will be back, and I am feeling the breath down my neck from the rest of you and I am not that good under pressure so maybe I have to begin to work on my physics.

Also I like to thank Tim for a well done first championship server running and for having the result and replay in place so quick.

Göran

 

Consistancy is the single most important aspect of racing IMO.
The only time I would put a championship down to out right speed for me, was last season due to just how fast I was in the BT11 - Every other win I've managed was simply through finishing relatively highly at near enough every event. And most of those positions were gaurenteed through simply falling off less than the opposition  :)
I won S16's Novice trophy with only one win all season - I now work to the rule of consistency first, pushing for speed 2nd (A damn site easier said than done now I'm in the BT7 mind  ;D )

Agree with that 100%

I won a championship without a single race win .

Steady driving and consistancy is the key , Oh! and a large dose of luck in avoiding the oppositions driving errors  ;)

Still no reports?

I'm not complaining, but moderating will officially close on Friday (Eek! That's today!  :o damn late nights.....)

Don't complain and don't encourage 'em - you don't want to end up like the Nov's race  ;D

Mod (lack of) report published  ;D