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Practice 1: 19:20 (60 mins)
Qual 2: 20:20 (12 mins)
Race: 20:32 (22 laps)

Cars allowed: Refer to this  spreadsheet (http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0AgyClStz4uopdGdEb0FEWmhGMmkzNEZlZmYtVDBJblE&hl=en&output=html). Your car choice is limited to your average finish position (trimean).

Drivers with an average finish of 1 - 5.99 are restricted to cars in the Yellow group.
Drivers with an average finish of 6 - 10.99 are restricted to cars in the Yellow and Orange groups.
Drivers with an average finish of 11+ may drive any car from any group.
If your name is not on the list (first time drivers) you are restricted to cars in the Yellow group.

Yellow (average finish 1+)

• Chevrolet Corvette L76 Roadster
• Chevrolet Corvette Z06 Coupe (excluding white #5)
• Ford Falcon Weslake
• Ford Mustang Trans-Am

Orange (average finish 6+)

• Ford Falcon Mann
• Ferrari 275 GTB/C (excluding Speciale)
• Shelby GT350R SCCA
• Chevrolet Corvette Z06 Coupe (white #5)
• Ford Mustang AATC Gr5 #01

Green (average finish 11+)

• Shelby Cobra 289 Roadster
• Jaguar E-Type Lightweight (all)
• Shelby GT350R CASC
• Chevrolet Corvette L72

Track: Road America (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3356.msg54521#post_roadamerica)
Time of Day Setting: 13:00
Weather: Dry
Start: Standing

Tyre wear: 1X
Fuel consumption: 2X
Pit-stops: At least 1 stop is required taking on at least 1 litre of fuel and/or changing 2 tires. You cannot take a mandatory stop at the end of the pace lap, or with less than 1 lap to go.

Server: UKPnG
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Championship standings (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=282&theme=34)

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Mike, in LM2, I think you need to change it to 'Road America Full' from 'Road America Bend'... assuming of course it is the normal full course we're using? ???
When you choose the full course, all the existing lap records will show up (none are visible at the moment).

will do. I originally thought the "Full Course" may have referred to the motorcycle course which has the chicane before the kink.

Couple of early times for you lot to pretend your similar on...then go miraculously 2-3 secs faster on the night ;)

F275GTB/C 2:42
Vette Z06 (white No.5) 2:44

Only done a handful of laps in each so far. Will try out other cars if chance. Not sure yet whether i should race thursday. Got a 3hour stint in the 24hr race here saturday and my throttle knee is giving me jip. :-\ want too though, should be a great enduro here if the car spread is good and equal enough.

I'm really curious to see if anyone in green will saddle up the L72. It should be a real screamer here.

Brilliant track, I will try to join for this one.  :)

Why isn't my name at the spreadsheet Mike? I have done several races before. I am trying to be on the green group tbh.
 :)

So your not running the bend version now then? Would have been interest to get peoples comments on the configuration as i've never seen it run.

Technically, I haven't changed the track. The track is UKGTR Road America GP which is available for download in the race announcement. In the real world, there are 2 configurations for this track. 1 is typically used for cars and the other is used for bikes. The version used for bikes has a left/right chicane after the carousel that is used to slow down the bikes for the kink.

I'm not sure what Dave meant by "Bend" or "Full". My initial thought was Full included the chicane which we are not running, but Legzy pointed out the past races were with "Full" so it seems to make sense to have the lap records for this race follow suit.

While I have a good idea which run group you would fall into Paulo the groups are based on finish history within the championship season. 1st time drivers within the champoinship season are in Yellow. This way it is clear for everyone.

Who knows, you may be a demon with these cars. You spanked everyone in Mexico recently.

I could be wrong (often am), but I don't think our version of Road America lets you use any other configuration does it?

(disclaimer, this is being said with zero research)

Your spot on matey, its the GP circuit only.
I have that 2008 version of RA on my pc now, not had a chance to look at it but will do. Interesting to see if its vastly better than the one we are using.

You've foolishly put me in the green group - And I love the big block chevys  ;D
Now I just need a permision slip from the fun police  ;)

Ruddy handicap bandits!

Think i'll be in a gorgeous little Fezza for this race.  8) Though the vette is still a possibility. Tried the shelby and hated it, like steering a barn around corners :P  I seem to be stuck in the 42's on full tanks, despite a few tweaks.

I was just on the server until someone pulled the plug on me and turned it off  :(

Sorry MJ....that was me. I was running a little late starting the server for our cats race. I shouted up, but got no reply. All pracci servers up again now.

It was probably turned off for the another rather excellent Race'07 event! 8)

ah no worries GT, didnt know there was a race event on tonight.

Going to try and make this race fellas :D. I have a feeling that Paulo and I will be very close together ;) You going to take L76 Vette Paulo? I just did some practice with it.. Not too bad there.. Lap times all around 2:44, but still 4 seconds down from the L72 Vette :(..

I don't know why they keep messing with these lesser sims.  ::)

Did some practice last night and managed a 2:41 in the L76 which was hauled over from Atlanta and given a wipe over with an oily rag.  Just for reference I gave the L72 a blast and managed 2:36 so I guess that I'm not going to see much of the action at the front. 

Not sure yet Navin, I will have time to decide only when I join the server tonight. But I have an eye at the Falcon, to be honest.  :)

Yes Clive, here probably the L72 will eat alive all the pack, but I guess it will be difficult to manage the brakes till the end for everybody. So a pulled brake can cause a lot of troubles during the race, if you haven't the time to make the brakes colder. I've seen temperatures on my xd near 850° (things for formula 1!!!), and at these temperatures the brakes go in fade, and your car goes surely wide if you won't be careful on the pression of the brake pedal.

However it's a typycal track for the L72 and its brutal Engine, but if it's not driven properly that car can become your worse enemy!
About me, I guess I'll be in the L76 Roadster even this time, it lose 10-15 km/h on the straights, but has good brakes and good handling.
FOrd Falcon Weslake it's funny, but it burns the brakes as the Z06, I was close to a 2.39 in it, but no chance to see the checkered flag with these cars.

2.40 at the moment for me, I hope it will be a close race! Cu guys!

I'll be in a Falcon Weslake. I can't deny the motor in that car, but like Manteos said, you have to hang on for dear life though.

The Mustang is (theoretically) slower than the other cars, so I will be in it.
I believe I will not make you company this time Navin.
As I usually suck in P&G, I decided to use the cars that 99% of people don't chose.  :D
See you later.  :)

The other car that may do well here is the Ford Mustang AATC Gr5 #01. It's got a big lump under the hood.

Well I crossed the line in 7th position, got the message to say that the race was over and then another to say that I had lost connection to the server.

What said server will make of it will be interesting as I expect that the server lost me a bit earlier than when my game ended.

I had one of them big lumps under my bonnet. It probably was slightly slower than Vette I could have used
but I rather like the Aussie beast. Had some good chases early on, then had a race to T1 with Stig as he came
out of the pits, he won. I could only keep up with acrobatic slides which I can;t do lap after lap, so he pulled away
for a good 4th.

p.s As my admin connection dropped as I was zipping the replay, I asume Mike is now doing the results   :D

EDIT: I find if I call my pit crew "kinky sluts" they hit me with their handbags

The expectations weren't high, nevertheless, race was running quite fine, top 10 place and a nice fun scrapp with Navin and Clive, a bit later, Legzy came near me and I thought we would have a nice duel for the old days, but he was clearly faster and went away.
Now the drama,  :eek: first, apologies for the 'you kinky slut' message, I just missed the preset key that says 'pit in'  :lol:
Went to pits, I started the race with the super-hiper-extra hard tires, so I just asked for fuel.
Waited and waited and waited and cars coming after me and exiting before me and waiting and the idiot of the crew, nothing! Just the guy in front watching whatever he watchs and the guy behind with the fuel pipe next to the car and by then, I was alone in the pits and a few spider nets coming together in the car dashboard and my beard growing....and then, I realized that the idiot was me.  :w00t:
Once again, I forgot to shut off the engine.  :whistling:
Lost more than 3 minutes there playing idiot. Came back on track dead last and remain there untill the end.
The end.

Congrats to podium and to all that didn't were distracted.

Cheers

P.S. I had lots of fun doing that parabolica to the right, sideways forever. :)

MADE IT TO THE FINISH LINE .......  :thumbup2:

Had a several nice duels . . .  and it feels really nice to leave drivers like Ade and Manteos behind you on the straight - - Green is a nice coulor  ;)


Stig / Hotkeys

Good race for me, enjoyed that from start to finish  :)

Qualied a fine 4th place in the bella macchina Ferrari  :wub: showing some of the big engined american beasts who's boss  ;)

Race start went well though i had a very hard time keeping all the big block cars from steaming past me left right and centre, not to mention Legzys yella-fezza poking its nose where it shouldnt !

After several laps the pace settled a bit and i could concentrate on chasing manteos ahead. We enjoyed a good long scrap for ages until the pit stops at mid race distance.  :fencing:  We also had an errant L72 that kept passing us, falling off, passing us...you get the drift  ::)

Pitstop went reasonably well, i thought i had been clever enough to gain some time on the big block boys ahead by not needing any new tyres, just fuel but still they had too much advantage and Matt actually gained ground on me  ??? Didnt help my Italian-swiss mechanics just stared at the car for many seconds before filling her up  ::)

Manteos swiftly exited the race after the pits, shame, but CLive filled his boots quickly and put me under more pressure than i wanted for last 7 laps or so. But other than some scary moments lapping Prib and losing my rhythm a bit, i got it back under control and kept a good gap pulled out on clive to romp home 6th. Not bad considering 3 of the cars ahead were the L72....grrr.

My only gripe of the night is why the heck were the L72s allowed in the race?  ??? It makes no sense to allow any car to have such a dominant edge over the rest of the field. As soon as its realised a car has that advantage it should be pulled from the list before race night. Tough but fair ! we want close racing not someone disapearing into the sunset.  :hammer: It would be fairer if they were made to use that same car at whatever the next round is !!...preferably twisty  :devil:

Anyway, congrats to Lorenzo and the podium, good racing  :thumbup1:

Oh I didn't change tyres either MJ, my fronts were harder than the rears, and the car was becoming easier to drive
as the fronts wore into the red, while the rears wore slightly less. Stop was 50secs for fuel, including arrow
keys to say no tyres please.

It put you 12th CLive, maybe Mike will want to move you.

It was actually an L72 doing ERRANDS Mark ...... I just stopped to pour some coffee every now and then  ;) I believe that the underpowered little red devil and the black Schummi -replica both made a small detour in the sand as well didn't they ?  ;D ;D

Stig

Where should you have finished Clive? I'll have to look at the replay. If you were as close as you say then I'd be happy to restore your true finish position.

i can vouch that Clive was behind me on the final laps, so he should be 7th...as long as he didnt run out of fuel  ;)

Hotkeys, i only made one trip off piste all eve when i lost confidence in my fuel readings and started fiddling with fuel to be put in via xpd !...lost my rhythm and ran wide stupidly.  :-[  (oh and later on when i lapped prib  :o )

Woo! My first podium in P&G! dead chuffed even if it was because I found myself blessed by the green group's unexpected top trump  :whistling:

Was particularily nice to have what appeared to be a fairly even fight with Lorenzo until I enevitably ended up playing sandcastles at about 1/3rd distance ;D
I'm guessing Lorenzo didn't change his tyres as just as my team of grease monkeys finished filling me up he stormed past on the S/F straight, I had only intended to change the rears (after last weeks closing stages tyre fail) but stupidly pressed enter before deselecting the fronts so had all 4 tyres replaced  :censored:
That put payed to any (tiny) chance of challenging Lorenzo and finishing 1st, I rejoined a few seconds down on Mike (didn't realise for about 2 laps until I actually read the pit board) and steadily chased him down.
Mike was then kind enough to fall off just as I was about to have to find a way past, giving me an easy 2nd - which I promptly threw away with 2 laps to go with an unforced error/spin.
Gritted my headlights and switched my angry teeth on ( ;) )and pushed as hard as I could on light fuel loads desperate to reclaim 2nd.
Caught Mike on the S/F straight at the beginning of the final lap and powered past into T1, where he promptly lost the rear end and span off onto the beach  ;D
I took the remainder of the lap in a no risks style and claimed a healthy finish  :angel:

Thankyou for the racing guys, especially the standard of driving - It was faultless all round  :thumbup1: (mine probably wasn't :ninja: )
Gotta say that it was huge fun drifting the L72 about, I'm happy to drive it somewhere twisty as suggested - I'll come last but will be smiling more than the winners ;)  :P

A frustrating race for me. I knew I was going to be slow but thought I better get a race in so I can drive something faster next time ;)

Sorry to Mike for tapping you into the gravel when you were lapping me just before the pit stops. I was distracted trying to check my fuel and ended up with a wheel on the grass.  >:(

After my pitstop I bumbled along but the motivation was gone, and decided to quit rather than ruin anyone else's race.

Well for a first complete race in PnG in quite awhile I was really happy with a good finish. That was a nice scrap with Paulo and Clive for a few laps. I had to pull over for about 5 seconds because my frame rate went to almost nothing. Got to my first stop and I too first forgot about the kill ignition switch :P to get fuel but did remember after a few seconds. After everyone else cycled through their stops I was just a couple of seconds behind Ade and was able to just hang on for most of the end of the run so at least it was engaging trying to catch him. Lots of fun fellas :) A big congrats to Lorenzo for a great win. And to FMG and Mike with there solid podium spots. Good stuff..

Cheers Mike,

I finished about five seconds down on MJ.

I had a screen freeze in practice and just made it back into qualifying with about nine minutes to go.  Just had time for one flying lap and another excursion to find out where my pit crew were hiding.

I was in the middle of the grid and the big white shed in front of me didn't move when the lights changed.  I had to lift and that bogged me down so I was one place off last at the first corner.

Had some fun trying to make my way forward and went for an early stop.

Towards the end I came across MJ, probably after his stop, but I couldn't keep hold of him.

Then I crossed the line and disconnected. :(

Grats to Lorenzo, Tim, Mike and Stig.  Especially Lorenzo and Stig!!!!   SBRC's finest PnG hour.   :jumpjoy:

Plagued with gremlins in practice 1 and quali last night. Login errors, discos, shiny tracks, strange ffb but all thankfully cured in time for the race. With no quali time, I started last which is about where I would have been anyway. Unfortunately I forgot to load my race fuel, so had to make an early stop ::) Ended up having nice little chases with Sandor and Tim, but made too many silly mistakes trying to make up time.

Quite like the L76 Roadster as it seems pretty nimble for a tank. Looks like I'll have a broader choice next time out though.

Congrats to pody and all 8)

Ohh, random fact of the morning!

Last night was my 200th race on Srou/UKGPL  ;D
a win would have been better but I'll take 2nd to celebrate  ;)

Not a great fun for me, my car choice was simply wrong. No chances of overtake because the L76 was slower even than the 275 on the straights.
If I have to do a comment, I can only say that this time the spread between the 2 car in front and the others was impossible to fill anyway, and I don't like to take more than 5 seconds on race pace. This race system let close races only if the faster drivers are all in the right group (Yellow or at least Orange), especially in a circuit like Road America with all these straights.
It's not a chance that the gap in qualifying session in Road Atlanta between 1st and 10th classified in qualif was 2.6 seconds, and this time the difference between 1st and 3rd was 2.2 seconds (between 1st and 10th 7.2 seconds)... Is this a close race?!? Not for me...
In this field of cars, and in the right hands, you can't even come close to a car like the L72. It's clear that if this car is driven by 2 fast drivers as Lorenzo Galluzzi e T.Muttram the race is over before it starts...
I'm not polemic, I'm only observing what's up in yesterday race.

There's maybe a couple of options to avoid these things during the champ:
1) Assign no points to drivers that push esc before the checkered flag (like me yesterday), and assign no classement position on the spreadsheet. So, in my case I will have a double damage if I leave the race, because I will stay in the same group in which I was before this race (Yellow) and I take no points in classification.
2) Assign championship points even if I don't see the checkered flag (with a 70% rule or something similar to gain points on a single race), but not considering my final position on the spreadsheet. So I will collect points, but I'm always in the yellow group if I push esc for every reason like yesterday before seeing the checkered flag.
3) In case at the first champ race, in which we will be in the same group (yellow), a driver will push esc for some reason, instead of giving him an advantage of going in the green group as it happened yesterday with Lorenzo and Tomas, it could be good to assign a "default" ESC position on the spreadsheet (for example 10th position). So if you don't finish the race, and push ESC, you will be considered 10th on the spreadsheet, and you will not jump 2 car groups, but only one, and probably it will be more difficult to see races like that of yesterday... that for me are NOT RACES.

In this way, there will be probably an higher gap in general classement between slower and faster drivers, and the constance of results of people that finish the race will have a prize! Evenmore this system makes sure that you are in every race in the right group, and we will not see races like yesterday.  
It depends on what's the champ Target.
If the Championship Target is to have a small points gap in general classification, probably we will see some races like this the first time a good driver push esc for any reason.
If the Target is have close races (That's my FAVOURITE TARGET), we have to limit the chances for a fast driver to be in the green group with a car like the L72. It's a car put in that group to let the slower people to close the gap with faster, not to let a fast driver destroy the field. AM I WRONG?  

That's my idea, I hope to have not said idiocy, and to have been clear in explaining these options.

I hope to have some feedback by the organizer :)

Cu :)

You have there a few good points Manteos.

I now, have a A4 sheet on the wall in front of my PC saying 'DON'T FORGET TO TURN OFF THE ENGINE WHEN YOU PIT AT P&G YOU KINKY SLUT'

LOL

Yesterday I've simply passed my pit place, so... I had no fuel to do another lap... Newbie :)

I think Manteos has presented a couple very good options to better manage car assignments. The spread between the performance in the GT cars has proven to be a little larger between the Yellow and Green groups compared to the Ankle Biters, especially with the L72. Like others mentioned, the L72 vette will not always be the best car choice. It may not be so with Silverstone coming up next week. The same holds true for the Falcon I drove last night. While it was a crazy handful to keep going straight, the motor benefit outweighed the handling faults for Road America. Giving drivers the option to choose different cars each week adds to the enjoyment of driving for some. Remember that anyone in the Orange group can drive a car from Orange or Yellow. A driver in the Green group can drive any car.

Manteos' first option is a fantastic idea, but the results can't distinguish a difference between an escape and a disco. This presents a bit of a challenge when assigning car group based upon finish order only for those who finished. Those who disco may be penalized early on. Realistically though, this is only a threat early in the season. As races are finished, the drivers group should be established fairly quickly. Like Manteos said earlier, the point of the handicapped system is to give those with less speed the opportunity to dice with other drivers they may not necessarily be around with equal cars. The point of the series is to produce as much close racing as possible with varying levels of skill and experience on track.

With that said, I will score Road America's round as I have done in the past. That is a DNF will be counted towards the car grouping. Going forward car grouping will be calculated based on your average finish position for those drivers who finish. If you crash out in a fiery blaze, no points. If you escape, no points. If you disco, no points. I think this will reduce the runaway effect of the quicker cars and continue to produce close racing.

I just reviewed the replay and found Clive was in 7th place on his last lap with a sizable lead over MJ. He disco'd on the last lap. I did not see any evidence of fuel conservation so I'd be happy to try to restore your position Clive.

I had this happen to me after a 3 hour race once. I know what it's like to feel your pain.

Good ideas Manteos and Mike. I think the 70% rule could also be used for these enduro events, we need to encourage people to make an effort to stay in the race rather than quitting out after an early ding or spin.

As event organiser perhaps you can also be 'race steward' Mike? in that if somebody hops into a green class car that we know is going to blow the field away, the driver is politely requested to drive something more reasonable for the sake of close racing. I dont think relying on a previous result where a quick driver got a dnf or no-show prevents them jumping into race winning machinery at present. As Manteos mentioned, they shouldnt be able to choose higher than middle group cars at best.

The first two races of this new series have been great classic-car endurance events  8)

shame that L72 was so dominant but boy did it sound good !

edit....err Mike, aint no way Clive had a sizeable lead over me !...he was 5-6 secs behind me when he disco'd !!

Correction... it was Ade.

All good points MJ, but for the sake of making the administration easier for me, I rather leave it cut and dry.

As a matter of fact, I am a bit hesitant to change the results to account for Clive's disco on the last lap, but I know how he feels coming so close to the finish and disco as it happened to me recently in a 3 hour race. I guess one could argue it was a brake or suspension failure, but discos happen much more frequently than good old fashion mechanical failures do.

Yeah, while you're at it, I discoed on lap 3 of a GTR2 race last year. I reckon I was at least on track for a pody  ;) ;D

Thanks Mike, I wouldn't ask but for the fact that I actually crossed the line, on my machine, prior to the loss of connection.  It looks as though I lost the server on the way to the Carousel.
(http://www.planet-venom.co.uk/PnG/RoadAm Finish.JPG)

PS Having watched the replay, I can report that I had some good fun with Paulo, Legzy, Navin and Ade.  I think that I owe a vote of thanks to Legzy for taking Ade out of the equation.  Legzy was doing a Whirling Dervish act down the back straight and whilst I made it through I don't think that Ade did.   

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Results have been amended.