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UKGPL Season 20 Novices Trophy (1965 Mod) Race 1 October 12th

Welcome to a new 65 Novices season at UKGPL and we kick things off with a spin (usually literally) through the Canadian countryside. Mosport is frequently incident packed and places can be picked up here by keeping out of the foliage.

The track was designed and built in the late 1950s, and held its first major race in 1961, the Player's 200, a sports car race bringing drivers from the world over to rural Ontario. Stirling Moss won the event in a Lotus 19. The proposed hairpin was expanded into two discrete corners, to be of greater challenge to the drivers and more interesting for the spectators, at his suggestion, and is named Moss Corner in his honour. This is a source of lingering confusion as many people call the track Mossport. It has had a succession of owners since the original public company created to build the track. Mosport achieved acclaim though a series of international sports car races under the title "Canadian Grand Prix" normally reserved for Formula 1 races. F1's Grand Prix of Canada remained at the track until 1977.
Unlike many historic motorsport venues, Mosport's track layout has remained mostly unchanged from its original form.

For Season 20 the Chassis have been split into 4 groups:
GROUP 1
Lotus, Ferrari, BRM, Honda
GROUP 2
BT11
GROUP 3
Cooper
GROUP 4
BT7

The Drivers have also been split into groups 1,2,3 and 4, and may take any chassis in their seeding group or any car below it, but not above it.

i.e. If you are seeded 2 you may take any car in group 2, 3 or 4 but not 1. If you are seeded 3 you may take either the Cooper or the BT7 but nothing faster. If you are seeded 1 you may take any chassis you prefer.

The chassis that you start this race with will be considered your choice for the season unless the moderator permits or requests otherwise. Err, that's me.

FULL TIME

DRIVER	CHASSIS
Vosblod	3
NHance	2
Miner2049er	3
Il_Lupo	1
Billy NoBrakes	1
HappyAL	1
Gilles27	2
Burtoner	3
Nigel Smith	1
Ronnie Peterson	1
Blito	1
Mark65	1
Artiglietti	1
BadBlood	1
RogUK	3
Norbert	1
Maddog	3

RESERVE

DRIVER	CHASSIS
Karliss	1

Reserve drivers should not join the server until there are only 30 minutes of qualifying left so as to give the FULL TIME drivers chance to join, and drivers are not to go out on track until there are 30 minutes of qualifying left as this helps all drivers join the server successfully.

Please restrict chat to pit messages if necessary, and this includes the end of the race, until all running drivers have completed the necessary laps.

The Novice races are run under Int Long rules and all incidents will be moderated.

Race List = IGOR
Server = UKGPL5
IP address = ping myjamesonline.net
Race date = 12-10-2010
Time = 21:00 UK time
Track = Mosport 67
Variant = 65F1
Damage Model = Int
Qualifying time = 35 minutes
Race length = 27 laps
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

65 Patch: The 2.02 Release of the 65mod can and should be used.
http://bit.ly/bXzLhk

Password: see above (#post_event_password)
(2) Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R;group=279;theme=6)

The track does not need toi be downloaded as it is an original Papy track with the folder name "mosport"

Well done to all who raced.
It was great to be back on track again, especially i was able to run faster and more consistant than i had dared hope for! A new PB (over a second better!) in Qual saw me start 8th, and a trouble free (and SR free!) run to the flag saw me finish6th. Very pleased with the result. Top Ferrari and well clear of the Hiki-Waza`s!
The celebratory Rioja is going down a treat :)

I'm very cross - Ronnie took me out as I was sliding across the track so Nigel slipped past and then I took Vos out when I clipped the curb and bounced onto his line. Mr AA didn't realise I was going to brake so early for the pit complex and totalled me so Karliss and I had a nice race for a couple of laps and then I span out at Moss twice in succession and that was that - I took a stop n go for taking Vos out but I don't think I needed to. It was hectic. Sorry to Ronnie and Vos, grr to AA (not really). Had a couple of laps racing though and didn't get lapped as much as I thought I would. Even ran tenth at one point and took Nigel and Karliss on the inside at the last turn. That was fun. Got excited though and threw it all away.

Thanks to all.

Might get a few penalty points or two but at least I can't be demoted  ;D

Aims for the season are:
Not to take out the leaders (Sorry Vos).
Not to take out people passing you for place (Sorry Ronnie)
Complete a race without a shift-r
Finish a race in some other place than last (that might be a bridge too far)

Well third as a Cooperman has to be good. A long race with dices and splices and a sight of the top spot but it was not to be.
Qually - third (I think) was good and anyone that goes into 25's is untouchable - could not even sniff at that when I was also back in the Lotus.
Anyway a compacted version of my race without the benefit of looking at the replay;
1) Ross got the drop on me in lap 1 - naughty boy, team orders LOL
2) Ross wobbles and I inherit the top spot
3) Try as I might, and taking it easy, I can't negotiate past BadBlood and drop a few spots (no issues mate, early doors in online racing)
4) End up 3 or 4 with Martin in my tailpipes. Don't know what happened in Moss but think I'm reared as got a 360   :o
5) Trailed into the third spot

All in all pleased as third hits my objective to get something in silverware this season with the Coop.

See I told you I might take some weird lines.  :laugh:

Anyone got an idea of the sort of time that will not embarrass me at Zeltweg - never driven it.

Sorry Badblood (I guess AA is me...), i seem to remember something about that crash, but I had many, so you are a bit lost in the mix, do remember pushing someone gently out of the road (i wouldnt call that totalling though). Think you parked it in the middle of the track on the straight and then closed the door on the inside quite sharply, so I had factored in some early braking, but not enough. Sorry that spoilt your fight.

Had another close encounter and a dance among the clouds with karliss I think. Had to take a SR, but didnt stop&go, since on the way to the clash I was obviously ahead and had the racing line. Needed to open up just a bit on the outside, otherwise i would have slid slowly but surely into that honda half way down the hill, so I think Karliss was a bit optimistic on that one, also considering he came a bit back toward me to make the corner. Have to see what the mods say though.

Anyway, never ever would have  imagined to be THAT nervous before the start!! I had brilliant pace, no consistency though, made a mistake on lap 2, lost positions, and the head....my racecraft needs some pretty good honing.

Now, on lap 3 or 4 I am waving around like a drunkman before finally chucking it in the foliage. Thats me trying to plug in my pc while racing, it was running out of charge and warning me with beeps like the heartbeat in a surgery theatre...lol, i mean, I think the neighbours kind of realised something wasnt going to plan in my house...

Fun race all in all, but should have got more  considering the speed I had. Really racing online in a championship is a completely different matter!!

AA - it was indeed you but I am not really cross - I am, however, a bit embarrassed - I am finding it pretty hard to hold the lines I want and I am surprised by where the car is in the replays as opposed to where I thought I was. I also have no straight line speed - everyone blew past me on the straights - I maxed out at about 145mph at the end of the straight but everyone accelerated much faster up the slope than I could manage. I was really surprised at how hectic I found it so apologies to anyone passing who thought I was driving inconsiderately - it was down to lack of control. Give me a wide berth for a few races.

Last night was pretty frantic; I think we had five different leaders in all.

Struggled a bit in qually and started 4th, although that soon become 3rd as I passed Vos' underpowered Coop at the end of lap 1. I kept AA and Norm in sight and after AA fell off I settled in for a good fight with Norm. That wasn't to be as he also made a mistake leaving me with a nice gap back to Vos.

About halfway through I went off trying to lap the battling Hondas which put Vos right on my tail. I tried to pull away but almost immediately made a second error, losing the lead. Tim also had Honda trouble which put me back in front, at this point I think Martin had closed right up making it a three way scrap. It was all getting a bit mental!

After a few more laps I had a gap back to Martin but then with 6 or 7 laps left I had another off which let Martin through to win. My earlier scrapes had taken their toll on the poor Brabham as I just could not put in any decent lap times to mount a challenge.

Disappointed to be second but well done to the Coopers either side of me, and to AA for an excellent pole time.

On a final note, it was great to see a full grid, with a lot of rookies out there enjoying themselves. I hope you will all stick with it this season as there is some great racing to be had.

I still hate Mosport and I think that is my worst qually ever and the first time I've not been able to see the flag man. I had sector times good enough to put me 7th but never put them together into a single lap so started 15th I think.

Picked up some places early on and ended up 10th for a while and climbed a few more places to 7th after a kind soul spun and I passed a couple of others.

Had a good chase with Blito for a few laps but couldn't quite close right in and then had a spin that dropped me too far back to catch him again.

Had to watch my front tyre temps for a while and from then on it was all about whether or not AA would pass me for 7th or not.

He was clearly quicker (too quick for a Lotus ;)) and caught me but every time he closed in he couldn't stay on track and dropped back again. Eventually he used the Lotus power to try a pass on the back straight but then attempted an unusual manouvre which involved trying to occupy the same piece of tarmac as me. Having attempted this move myself in the past I am aware that it almost never works and I got launched skyward so took a free SHIFT R.

Got going again, and again the cat and mouse continued until this time he eventually did make a clean pass and was gone by a couple of seconds a lap.

Great to be back in 65s and at UKGPL again and look forward to the rest of the season.

Thanks to the 2 Hondas I lapped for getting out of the way as I had an unpredictable Lotus on my gearbox.

fao - badblood

- lession #1 -  slow is fast. drive carefully and you will crash less. each crash costs you 20 seconds of lost time. do some maths and work out how slow you need to go before you start to gain places through not crashing.

- lession #2 - Moss corner (hairpin). slow is fast! take it easy going into the first part (known as 5a) so that the car doesnt run wide or out of control. Get it slowed right down in bottom gear and aim for the "point" of the kerb in 5b. By the time the nose of the car is level with that point you should be on the gas and gaining time down the straight.

- Zeltweg - a good laptime would be anything under 2 minutes if its consistant with lession #1above. If you want to practise Zeltweg i suggest we meet at 9pm next tues for some official practise :)

OK Novices, for all those who don't know, and as a reminder for those that do, any incidents you were involved in during the race must be reported to the moderator using the "Submit an incident report" link near the top of this thread.

You don't need to PM me or post it here, just use the link above.

Try to be as accurate as you can with your timestamp and if you have an edited clip of the incident that can be useful as the server replay may be slightly different to your client replay, which is important for determining whether or not warp or lag was a factor or not.

The moderator (me) will look at the whole race anyway and hopefully spot all incidents but it is a big help if you report them. If I find an incident that I deem to be your fault and you did not report it. Oh boy! Are you ever in trouble!

Remember, nobody is to stone anyone until I blow this whistle!

Next Tuesday sounds good. I only got Moss wrong twice but boy did it cost me...

When preparing for a race, especially at a new track, I usually look at past novices events there to get an idea of what is a competitive lap time in qually and race. Last year's event at Zeltweg is here

https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=8158#event2083

Pole was 51.7 and fastest lap was 52.9. And if you think that is quick then check the Amateurs times :)

Holy Cow - I got to 2:03 with my first five laps which were a bit tentative but I will only find 4 or 5 secs more. Boy I need driving lessons. :-[

Badblood- no worries there m8, 3 weeks ago I had a try in one of the fun races at mosport, had an accident while being lapped exactly like yours, so now I know both points of view! Problem is, I was out of position for some previous 'diversions' and by the fact you were standing in the middle of the straight I supposed I was actually racing a slower car, not lapping someone. But it is true I should have factored in some more braking space. And yes, looking at the reply I did total you...so you are right in that one as well. As for your driving lines, I think Mosport is one of the worst tracks, it is difficult to keep a straight line on the long straight, so, I perfectly understand the reasons for you keeping clear of the grass as much as possible!!

Miner- er..didnt realize I was racing the moderator....lol. Anyway, I have to disagree with your view on our clash, looking at the replay I am pretty much sitting on my line all the way down, there is a bend though before the final uphill, so, I have to turn a little bit right, and you keep pretty much going straight, therefore coming toward me. On the following lap we both kept very well close to our sides of the road, only relatively safe side-by-side driving on that straight I think. My view is a fifty fifty on that one.

I do concede quite a bit of temptativeness in chasing you  ::), but hey, chasing a human driven car is the one thing you really cant practise, and I found it most distracting to cope with all the imperfections of human driving as opposed as the relentlessy identical lines of the AI, will need to improve on that.

Will report the incidents later on via the link above though, oh and guys, leave me the chance to get up to spec with my racecraft before I get brabhamed or worse... 8) 

Boy I was not looking forward to this race. Mosport has always been a bad track for me, and so it proved once again. That being said, I got a PB in Qual so couldn't ask for any more.

I took it easy for the first few laps, the guys in front of me were all quite a bit quicker so they were getting away from me anyway. I tried to keep it all together and calm. On lap 3 there was a coming together in front of me, which meant I managed to slip past Ronnie Peterson just before the hairpin. I made a small mistake onto the long straight, I was on the grass and my car slide back onto the track, where I regained grip. It was too late for Ronnie and he rammed into the back of me. I put this down to a racing incident, as I had no control over the car until it was back on the track, and of course Ronnie had no were to go. Sorry for the accident, and of course sorry to anyone else caught up in it.

After that we both took Shift & R’s and got back too it, there was another coming together at the end of the straight, but I’m not sure why. I was defending the inside line and looked to me that I pulled a small advantage out, I checked Prib and my mirrors before pulling back onto line for braking and in both it looked like I had room. Ronnie when off the track, but in my reply there is quite a lot of room there.

Apart from those two incidents I had a couple more unforced spins, where I lost it before braking for the hairpin. I didn’t have the pace of the top guys, and I was happy to finish where I did, my times weren’t as bad as I’d been expecting and I was very pleased with a PB.

Well done to Martin, Tim and Ross for the podium, it certainly looked like a close race at the pointy end. This is looking like a good season, with lots of close battles all over the grid.

Which is a good example of why you should clip an incident from your own copy of the replay and attach it to your incident report, as on my replay if I keep right, but on your replay I go straight, it means there may be warp involved and you may or not be penalised on that basis.

As I seem to got the hang of Mosport (I mean staying on the black bit most laps) was hoping for a decent race. My internet connection is getting decidedly worse of late - disco on the starting grid on Sunday & lap 2 or 3 last night.
Spent 45 minutes on the phone to Oranges Customer Support line (in India) whose main conclusion was it wasn't them but the GPL server. As most other people seemed to survive 27 odd laps I'm not convinced.
Anyone else use Orange - am seriously considering looking for a new ISP.

I'm not the superstitious type, but my race on Sunday seemed like a bit of a disaster.  I'd effectively thrown the race away at the first corner, and the car had seemed to under perform during the race. By Novices practice, Monday, things were getting worse - I was a second off my Season 19 pace, despite driving like a maniac! (which is unusual for me)   I began to feel my time as an elite top ranked driver, ( ok, on my street ) was drawing to a close. :-[

I stopped unenthusiastically by the track, a half hour before the Novices 'off', for a systems check, and the car stuttered down the straight as though 2 cylinders were missing!  "Don't panic", I thought, happens all the time in Formula 1.  So I shut down the computer, and commenced to disassemble the pedals.  Found a fair bit of debris inside, and the remnants of a small Moth. "It official", I thought, "My equipment is Moth eaten!" :hammer: Grumble!  With no obvious damage, I threw it all back together, and returned to the track, with 10 minutes to spare.  Success - all except for the accelerator not working.  Grumble!   The tools started flying, and I had to repeat the whole process again!  
                                                                          
Five minutes late for official practice, but suddenly back in business - my car was up to speed.  So yay!  And fifth on the grid seemed somehow miraculous, after the previous couple of days!  So I sauntered off much relieved, after a tremendous pole lap, from newcomer Artiglietti.

A careless spin early on at turn 3, meant gathering myself up just behind a Ferrari.  It was the fabulous Fabio, who then decided to defend  brilliantly round all the corners, and power down the straight bits.  It was an inspired drive, and very inconsiderate!  It was many laps before a mistake let me through into 3rd place, while being shadowed by Norm the whole time.

Tim suddenly appeared, right in front of me, then braked rather hard for the evocatively named, 5A.  Heavy contact was made, and I exited the complex, an unhappy 2nd.  A quick stop and go, and there was an angry Tim, right on my tail!  There then followed 2 or 3 laps of nail biting stuff, only I had my gloves on.  Finally managed to pull a gap.  And then it was Ross' turn, who I passed recovering from a spin, at the ever popular turn 2, which meant the entire hammer and tongues hanging out process, had to be repeated all over again!  But through the last half dozen laps, I slowly managed to consolidate the lead, into my first win!  Wow! There's pedal power for you.  8)

It looked like there was some great racing action, all around the track, and plenty of debriefing for our moderator.  My celebration was muted, because I had to drive through another car, to get to the
front.  Belated thanks for the congratulatory remarks post-race.  I always dash off to save a replay, as I'm non-Pribluderized, and like to see what I've missed.  And a big apology to our oft' leader. for
contacting him while he was busy.

Looks like we have a competitive Season ahead - hope to see you all in Austria.  

Bill, the other thing to check is whether you have any 'rogue' programs running in the background as things tend to surreptitiously plonk themselves into your start-up. Might be an idea to go through what is running and kill anything non essential.

windows update manager is a bitch for interfering with games. - i turn it off when i`m due to play.

BTW = i`m also on orange and i find them brilliant although my latency (ping) is often a bit long when compared to Virgin`s fibre-optic broadband. My actual through-put is way above average for its class.
Also, Orange have a uk-based support line for more technical issues so if the India-based front line support staff cant help get them to give you the number for the UK chaps. the Indians were very friendly and helpful
on both occasions when i`ve needed help.

Miner- I just did the reports of the accidents with the zip files. I forgot to tick the boxes for the driver involved in the first 2, but they are in the headline, so shouldnt be a prob.

Will leave a post on the novices thread later on...

I've seen them thanks.

In theory, anyone involved should report it themselves but they don't always do so.

I'm the odd one out Mosport has always been a favourite track. When Artigliett ( think we'd better get used to that name) went into the 1 25's it was game over for me as regards pole so I baled out of practice with 5 minutes to go to try & get over the shock.

By all accounts this was an eventful race for everyone. I haven't looked at the replay yet but think I went from 2nd to 1st to 5th back to 2nd & finally 5th. At least all my offs were solo affairs.

Really tried when leading to break away from Ross so he was not in the tow but I was on the limit, as in red mist, & we haven't done 3 laps yet. For me to do a fast lap at Mosport I have to be as close to the kerbs as I can & eventually I hit the inside of turn 1 so from 1st to 5th was the result. Once again I lead a race but can't take it to the end. Phoned Clutch for a Mountside Racing post race analysis, he told me I'm a Muppet. I didn't argue :-[

Well done the Podium boys - I will return

Norm H

actually Nhance, you aint the odd one out - i adore Mosport in the 65`s.
:D

Yeh but you're just weird Blito  ;D

I am glad that baby is gone, gone, gone  :laugh:

Just had a go at Zeltweg and I got down to 1:56 and I think I can find a second or two if I can get that second last turn right but 1:51 is insane. It'll still put me last though <sigh>

I think I was last in every race of my first season, bar a few times when others disco'd...

Silly question, but can you please tell me how to do this, i.e. clip a single incident from my own reply?

In the game's replay mode, there's a button that allows you to mark a point for start and finish. Use that and it'll ask you to save the selected piece of the replay.

Thanks Jehro, I will add a clip to my inciedent report.

'Disco' - I'm happy to take gifts from the Gods  :laugh:

Badblood - i`ve done a few rough calculations to help us prepare for Zeltweg.

My qual time and my race pb AND my average race lap time at Mosport were all roughly 102.5% of the man at the front.
Now, this seasons speeds at Mossie were roughly the same as last time Novices were at Mossie so ive used this fact to guess some likely speeds of our opponants at Zeltweg -

Likely pole time - 1:51.5 (est.)
Likely race best - 1:52.5 (est.)

Blito qual pace - 1:54.5 (est.)
Blito race pace - 1:55.5 (est.)

so, based on that, Badblood, if you are already at 1:56 then you have closed the gap to the front runners quite considerably..... IF you can do that time repeatedly without mowing the grass every other lap :D

hope people find these guesses useful :)

Thanks for that Jason - here's the results of our last outing at Zeltweg ; https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=8158#event2083 (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=8158#event2083)

Thanks Jason.

That is quite interesting. I ran at 113% of front runner pace due to various offs. I qualified with 106%.

The 1:56 - if I can do it will qualify me last at about 105%. I assume we will run for 40 mins again which is about 22 laps. - If I lose 5 secs a lap that will be 110 seconds behind at 22 laps - a full lap. That is running at 1:56. I can't keep that pace up for more than three or four laps so I will more likely run at 1:58 - 2:00 losing an average of 8 seconds a lap - a lap down at about 14 laps. That is roughly the same as Mosport. Interestingly I drove the first twelve-thirteen laps at Mosport at an average of 1:33. There were two laps above 1:33. The last twelve to thirteen, there were only two laps under 1:33. Of course that was where I started getting lapped.

I just hope I can be a good citizen and meet the lappers at 'easier' parts of the circuit - start-finish straight would be nice  ;D

Blimey are you our secret Statmeister (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=profile;u=3333;sa=showPosts) ;D

It's been posted before but this guide (https://www.ukgpl.com/rec_dvr_beh/rec_driver_beh.htm) deserves another mention.

Well I do have a degree in Mathematics  ;D

I just wanted to know how bad it was going to be... For instance, my PB in a 65 at Spa is 3:56 - still 15 seconds down. I top out at 165mph - is that OK? I must be losing a bunch of time in the corners. Sector times are evenish around 1.01m, 55sec, 57secs and 1.02. Don't even mention Adelaide  :-X

One thing, Paul - why don't you expect that your times are going to go down over time as you do more and more practice? It's not realistic to think that you've reached your limit and settle for that, nor is it a positive thing to do (imo). I'm sure you'll be a much better driver by the end of the season, it's inevitable.

As i`ve said before in this post, being able to stay on the track for long distances is more valuable than being able to do a few hotlaps. Pace wise, i think being within 110% of the leader without crashing is better than being at 105% and crashing. Also, as the mighty H has just said, you will inevitably get faster just through putting in more laps as the season goes on. Concentrate on consistency for now and you will find the speed creeps up as you start to feel your way into things.

Sage advice - the problem is that the head knows I should slow down for that corner and score 1 point for the team...

...the heart says 'ooh, you can brake a little later and carry more speed in here - there's a PB going begging'

Guess which wins.

'Hello hedge!'  ;D

I do think I will get better but the size of the gap is what worries me - I used to brake straight and then turn into the corner as if I were driving a road car, I learnt to trail brake (although I am still a novice at that) and that took off loads. The improvements I am making now are still basic (line, exit speed) but the time differnces are tenths of a second. How am I ever going to bridge the kind of gap I have at Spa?

The main issue I guess is that I feel like I am doing it right and yet the times are slow - witness Mosport. Try as I might I could not get below 1:30. If I look at Tim Muttrams replays his tyres are squealing all the way through a corner - as soon as I go fast enough to get the tyres screaming I lose it. That may well be line and experience but trying to drive within myself to keep it on the tarmac seems to militate against learning to drive on the edge.

My basic car control is relatively poor and I take my hats off to the rest of you. Frustrating but fun. I would never go on a real track though - I'd kill somebody - probably me  ::)

I wouldn't use your top speed at Spa as any kind of guide as it is a freakish circuit, and people overinflate their tyres there to extract another couple of mph, and the slipstream means you need a loooooong gear there as you can kill an engine just by over revving while following a car.

As has been said, go more for consistency than speed and speed will come.

It's been talked about in these forums plenty of times but your fastest laps don't necessarily feel fast because you need to relax more rather than drive the wheels off it. If you brake slightly earlier and have a slower entry to a corner you will have more control at the apex and be able to get back on the throttle before you even reach the apex usually, that will give you a much faster exit and a higher terminal speed before the next braking zone. You make far more time that way than banzai last minute braking manouvres, especially at Zeltweg and Spa where there are long sections of acceleration and full throttle.

I don't chase my GPL rank and try to hotlap any more. I've got green negative times at some of the easier circuits by trying but generally I go slower the more I try to go faster. My negative Watkins lap in 67s came about more because I got into a nice rhythm than trying to go fast and I was suprised when I saw just how quick my lap was.

Practise, practise, practise and go for consistency and you will be surprised how much quicker that will make you.

My lap times in race 1 at Mosport were awful but I was the highest climber with 7 or 8 places, and I only had to actually make a pass on 2 cars.

BTW, the Lotus setups I used a couple of season ago are downloadable here and took me to 2nd in the championship.

They will be pretty steady and predictable.

http://www.jamesonline.net/gpl/downloads.htm

Mike

I'm a Waza - I couldn't possibly touch a Lotus - SHE would be cross (Ok - but only if you don't tell HER!)  ;)

Cheers.

Watch out Paul, there are big ears about. I' trying to find white skins for the lotus and bt11 for Imola spec race. lol

Yes but the download page has info on how to change it into a Honda setup, though obviously the gearing will be wrong as you have an extra gear.

I also have some Honda setups there as I used it for my first season in 65s.

Don't worry about team points for the time being, just enjoy your races and do whatever you want. If it's taking more risks, then go ahead. I find that the single most efficient way to improve speed is to take big risks in practice and step out of your security limits. It may lead to a lot of crashes, but you'll explore unknown territory a lot quicker.

The downside is it may hurt your consistency if you don't combine it with long runs without making mistakes. I guess doing both is the best approach, but it also takes the most time.


I advise you not to look at other people's times too much. It just creates a lot of unnecessary pressure on yourself. Going by your own lap times would work better and is much more objective as well. Use your current lap times as a guideline for your improvement.

So forget about the others and drive at your own pace and limits, otherwise you'll be making more mistakes because of pressure to perform better. If you instead look at the different areas in your driving and approach, you can pinpoint what needs to be worked on. I mean small things like braking technique, steering input, throttle control, and then track related things like braking points, entry line, throttle application moments and so on. And then there is car setup... so you see you have a lot to focus on instead of your opponent's lap times.  ;)

OK - I get it - I have a LOT to work on... ;D

For what its worth Paul, 99% of the drivers that you think of as alien ( there are a few that were actually born on the planet Zorg and have scales and 4 arms with servo assisted braking feet  ::) )  were exactly where you are now. Standing at the bottom of what looks like an enourmously hard climb. I am currently hanging by my fingernails about half way up!!!  :w00t:
Your biggest competitor at the moment is not the other guys on the grid, but rather your car and the track. Beat the circuit and master the car and you will find your results improve.
Forget about how fast or slow you are going relative to the top guys, rather concentrate on racing the guy who is usually next to you on the grid. That means being consistant at "your" speed and matching yourself against achievable goals.
As has been said...you may be 5 secs a lap slower at the moment ( and that gap is already closing ;) ) but a trip into the scenery will cost you a minimum of 10 secs for a Shift-R and getting back up to speed. Considerably more if you are forced to wait for the track to clear!! Then you are obliged to do a stop and go...another 10 secs.
So, one "off" by a driver in front will cost ( at least) the equivalent of 4 laps of his faster speed. If you can negotiate the whole race without incident and the other guy has two or more excursions........ you work it out  ;D
At the moment your best weapon is the other guys mistake. If you can control the urge to try and hang on to someone who is currently faster than you are, and drive your own race without mistakes you WILL pick up places.

Thanks Evil-San. I listen and obey. Actually, I probably get excited and crash I was running tenth at Mosport and doing OK when it all went wrong and then I tried too hard to catch up. It is a bit frustrating to run at my pace and watch everyone else disappearing. The differential at Spa means I am hoping for a crash every other lap  ::) Not too sure I will achieve too much there but there is always my friend DISCO...

i think this puts it into persepective :- at our recent Mosport race i finished 6th despite only being 13th fastest in the race!

Good point Jason... Mind you, of those that didn't disco I was slowest...


... and last  ;D

Looking forward to Sunday.

Best wishes to the moderator/s who are still hard at work on this one. It could be a long season!

Not as long for me as you...

...at least on laps completed  ::)

I'm sure Mike (miner2049er) will appreciate those sentiments Ronnie. Last I heard, this has taken him longer to review than any other race he has modded before :)

Race Mod published.

For the new members (and those with bad memories) check the top of the page for each incident and it's comments.

If you wish to appeal any moderated incident, the procedure is to PM the Chief Moderator (Vosblod) though bear in mind that the incidents are not modded solely by me but are also overlooked by all moderators and the Chief moderator will have had some input already.

They will however respond to all appeals.

I would advise everybody to read the comments above as they are not intended solely as punishments for the guilty, but also for advice to everybody. Pay particular attention to the avoidable incidents caused by straying too close to the centre line while passing or being passed.

Advice and warnings accepted. Sorry again Norbert.

Great work there Mr. Moderator.

Slightly o/t but why is the Ferrari listed as a 512? Surely its a 1512? Or are we really allowed to run 5 litre sports cars? ;)

Wow, we will have to give you the title of UKGPL Eagle Eyes - don't think anyone has ever spotted that before ;)
It's set up in the system - I think Giz will have a million things to do on his return from Australia so won't raise it just yet...

For nearly the entire 1964 season the car used was the V8 powered 158, Ferrari (And god only knows why, considering Fez had been a key player in pushing for the switch back to 3ls in 66) designed a V12 version of this car in the tail end of '64 while searching for more power (perhaps inspired by the Waza's?). The new V12 was peaky and more unreliable than the V8 although it worked well at tracks like Spa where the extra power would prove usefull (the 158 proved far quicker at tracks like Clermont and also the added reliability resulted in the car still being raced by the factory team though 1965).
It was officially designated as the 512 F1 (Ferrari always used a 3 digit designator on chassis back then), it was only refered to as the 1512 unofficially  :)

Ahh OK we'll leave it then  ;D