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Heres a curve ball for you all to chew on.  :) With all the recent chat about declining grids, sprucing up our current GT leagues, add on cars etc, there is one thing we havent considered and thats perhaps buying GTR evolution and using that for our GT racing series. It comes with 49 car variants including some very tasty GT cars in different classes including all the cars we are talking about adding to our current stable of cars. Its 2 years further down the line in terms of car and simracing development than GTR2. It allegedly has a superior physics and gfx engine and apparently was highly approved by many current 'real world' race drivers who tried it out.

The game can be bought for a measly £10 nowadays making it a bargain and i intend to buy it to use for my own pleasure at that price. Scanning the web revealed some very tasty mods are available for it, such as FIA GT 2010 car pack ! Porsche supercup, F430v997 mod, F1 2008 etc etc. Sounds great to me, anyone else interested? Pretty sure most of us that race regularly would be happy to spend a tenner to get such a huge update in cars, gfx, physics, grip and the rest  8)  I think at the time we overlooked this sim as we had our hands full of GTR2 and GTL and this new sim had lost the FIA license...heck it didnt even have a porsche in it!  :o  But i think its time to re-evaluate its potential to us. What say ye?

Also here are some snippets from independant sim racing reviews:-

"Deep in the World Wide Interweb exists a riveting head-to-head video showdown pertinent to any critique of SimBin's latest racing-simulation opus, GTR Evolution. In the center of the screen: in-car footage of noted real-world driver HJ Stuck as he picks his way through the 13-mile (!), 80-plus-turn hell of Germany's infamous and oh-so-deadly Nürburgring Nordschleife. Surrounding the Stuck video: a saved replay of noted sim racer Markus Möller doing precisely the same thing while navigating Evolution's virtual depiction of the very same circuit. To say the two versions look almost indistinguishable is compliment enough to the SimBin development team. But that only tells part of the story.

To drive the monstrous Nordschleife -- to reallydrive it, until you no longer feel like a stranger -- is to experience the current pinnacle of race simology. The Evolution physics model, a carefully calculated blend of realism and challenge that never feels artificially difficult, really gets to show its stuff on this, arguably the most frightening and certainly the most sinewy and lengthy of all racing venues. That the GTR series now features not only Nordschleife but 19 other tracks from across the globe, a stunning 49 unique vehicles divided into 12 separate classes, and compelling new perks such as dynamic weather (a sunny day can quickly devolve into a blinding rainstorm) is awesome news for any driver. But that doesn't tell the whole story, either.

Simply, Evolution transports you from your computer desk and into the cockpit -- I can't think of any other way to say it. Indeed, it may not even be the superb physics or SimBin's delicious visuals that first grab you. It may instead be the sound -- an audio culmination of sorts from SimBin's previous titles that leaves no noise unturned. Rain bouncing off your roof and splattering on your windshield, dislodged gravel popping up against your undercarriage, the multilevel protestation of your tortured motor, the complex howls of overstressed brakes and tires. It may even be the physical sensation of what surely must be the finest, most varied, and most accurate force-feedback coding of any racing game.

One thing's certain: When you dive deep into a corner, hearing everything you should hear, seeing everything you should see, and feeling everything you should feel, you will be in sim nirvana. That GTR's A.I. drivers have flung aside past indiscretions and now exhibit seemingly human smarts and collision avoidance only adds to the fun.

Is Evolution leaps and bounds ahead of prior editions of the series? No. Instead, it tidies up loose ends, perfects what needed perfecting, and delivers more cars than most of us will ever use -- including several credible "concept" vehicles that exist only within the game. It also offers up a purely arcade mode to help sim newbies through the transition to the real world. And, as has always been the case in the GTR series, Evolution offers a ridiculous number of options and racing variables.

Engine Notes
Sound effects in a game can make or break even the biggest title games, your eyes can be fooled into thinking something is real based on the games ability to make you feel like your actually in the race car driving the laps. I find we are much more sensitive to sound effects which don't sound appropriate for the car. GTR Evolution though felt like an aural ecstasy of polished off engine sounds straight from the Ferrari factory in Maranello. The cars in GTR Evolution sound enraged, as they should with 600hp under the bonnet and a minimal 900kg of weight.

Controls
So far we have a game that looks stunning graphically, sounds great with very individual sound effects and a physics engine that hits the bulls eye for this genre. What about the most crucial aspect to un tapping these previously mentioned qualities, controls are the biggest influence on how you interact to a game, luckily though SimBin Did an awesome job, I had my G25 plugged and not only did the GTR Evolution Control menu automatically profile the G25, but gave me the option to pick if I wanted Stick or Paddle shift, The rest of the settings were done for me.

I would have to admit that the force feedback in this game has to be some of the best i've seen yet, why you might ask does this game differentiate so much from other games? When I hold the wheel I feel like i'm holding the wheel, for a game that doesn't use laser scanning of real race tracks the feedback received to me from my G25 come very strong and precise, i've been able to feel certain bumps in the road which would have otherwise lead me to more under steer if the wheel had not responded accordingly. Its these small bits of attention that bring this game above so many in its class."

Also:-
Brief Review of GTR Evolution (for the GTR2 Crowd)

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I figured that this forum was a better place for this review, insofar that I am hoping to peak the interest of those on the fence or happily on one side of it . I will discuss Grip, Race Competion, Content (cars and tracks), and Presentation (sounds, gfx, etc.).

First off lets talk about grip. I loved GTL, but the "grip" of the cars always felt very detached. I felt as though I was learning how to play the game more than I was learning to race faster. Obviously good driving technique was essential, but I always felt as though the "feel" and the "grip" were detached and unrealistically sensitive. I couldn't dial in where the limit was until the car slid off the track or spun.

GTR2 improved the road "feel" a great deal, and it was possible to push the cars and discover the limits from your feel of the grip of the tires on the road and the shifting load of the suspension. The game felt less about "memorizing" how to drive and more about developing a masterful driving technique and practice regimine for discoverng what was within the car's limits. Despite driving some of the best engineered cars in the world, cars that have been stripped of all comfort and unnesessary weight and fitted with the finest kit, I felt as though there was still a detached feeling of the car from the track. Even in GTR2 I felt as though it was not so much my adaptave driving technique and feel for grip that produced good times, but rather a mastery of the game mechanics.

Now I know many here disagree, but I found that Race'07 improved the realistic feel of the road and the grip was more appropriate for these race-purpose cars. Race'07 was the first game where I could discover the limits of a car on a track with a great level of feedback. Where as in GTL and GTR2 the grip felt as though it was On/Off, Race'07 had varying degrees. Obviously if you make a serious error you will spin, slide and just generally drastically lose control. But if you are dancing on the razor's edge of grip you can feel it.

A lot of sim racers criticise Race'07 as too grippy and correspondingly label it closer to arcade than sim, but I feel as though this is incorrect. GTR2 fans are used to a more dramatic break in grip when they push near the limit. But this is not realistic. When you are pushing the limit (i.e. not severely jumping over and beyond it) in a car you know it, your grip begins to fade and the car begins to unsetle. The car doesn't break immediately. When you watch racing you can see how drivers make corrections in a turn as they push the limits of their cars. If you have had the opportunity to enjoy a track day you know this as well. If you have ever had the fortune to race Karts or even drive a pure track purpose car, you are indeed familiar with the common racing skill of feeling the limits of grip and suspension and making corrections. Race'07 provides this feedback, and because race sim fans have for years become familiar with a game model that is more abrupt with grip I think they are quick to accuse the Race'07 game model as unrealistic.

GTR Evo ("Evo") has all the physics of Race '07. The "arcade extreme" is an entirely seperate game mode that you can gladly ignore and never even go near. The driving feel that the physics of Evo gives you, allows the skilled and practiced driver to race on the edge and find grip or push the limits of the car outside the memorized race line, which makes for some excellent racing and undoubetly a big fat smile on your face when you overtake a driver in a paintswapping battle royale!

I have been racing online for four years, and the best racing I have ever experienced has been in Race'07. The game has allowed me to be more confident in tight racing, in being able to push the car outsde of my practiced lines, and in knowing that my opponents have the same feel of the road. Nearly every race between equal opponents is a paintswapping battle that pushes nerves and stamina to the limit. Evo maintains this fantastic feeling (and I have indeed enjoyed some great WTCC class races...3 wide racing, 10 laps and 4 drivers within 1 second at the end!) but kicks it up a notch with several new classes of car that force you to race diferently around the track.

Its a fantastic feeling to balance a big GT car along the rolling hills of Zandervoort, clawing for grip, as you steady the wheel and bury the throttle into a series of right handers that take just as much balls as brakes to handle. Don't worry about your fillings that shook lose, you can get them recapped later .

The balance between the classes is phenominal. No single supercar that is just better. The cars in the classes have their own distict handling and performance traits, but can all stay up each others' tailpipe around the tracks. You like the big musle rumble and stiff Saleen over the howling and nimble Aston pick it and you can drive your style and still win. If you favor the all around go-getter from Belgium with a Detroit heart of gold, jump in a Spyker and take on a friend driving the M3 that must be wresteled into submission for the best times or the Toledo which favors the pocket protector wearing driver who takes his turns with razor sharp precision.

Since the physics of Evo lets you really "feel" the car's weight, you will really enjoy swapping between the big fuel guzzling GT pro beasts and the light nimble GT sports. The big A8GT may dominate at Curbitia, but the little Z4M might just turn some heads at Brands Hatch Indy!

I have hinted as to some of the content, and you can read all you like online. The WTCC tracks are great. There is a great amount of detail in the undulations, bumps, and offcamber turns. When Race '07 was released they had every WTCC driver playing it and giving the track designs a thumbs up. You can always toss in your old faves! I sure as rain have Spa '64, '03 and '04 amoung others. Evo even seperates your add-on tracks under a seperate button for easy access. Of course you have the "Ring", I don't think I need to elaborate on that.

Each class of car makes for a different race. The WTCCs are slower, but high center of gravity on big body cars with slicks makes for some exciting racing after 8 laps...and its always CLOSE!!! FWD also is a whole new beast to master in the turns. The F3000 cars will blow your mind with the speeds at which they can stick to the track after the tires heat up. Minis are a trip, and low horsepower means little mistakes won't leave you in the dust, and neither will some hard petting . GTs are just orgasmically awesome. Though for all those who thought Race '07 was too easy...OH MAMA these GTs are a handful! The production classes are for those who like to ride with the rear end wide, but don't like their overalls dirty and their eardrums bleading...we'll see those drivers at the club later for bubly and caviar.

So lets see, we have the best physics to date in a race sim to keep you running timmed laps all night; we have awesome racing to keep a big smile on your face and the bragging rights in constant flow; and we have enough auto porn to keep you...ahem...excited. Well if that's not enough then how about the best ISI sound and graphics.

Firstly the sound is a work of art. The Saleen just sounds orgasmic...I had to get that out. But the complexity and quality is all there for once. The brakes, the transmission whine, and the engine, it all there and its all unique to each car, and its all great. The crowd is in on it too, with cheering and air hornes. Crashes sound damaging, and gravel sounds like its getting all up in your car's naughty bits.

The graphics look fantastic and run super smooth on my three year old system (cept for last year's 8800GT).

Menues are smooth and well organized, FFB is solid, and you can tune in your control sensitivity at speed and tune in amplitude adjustments, which is good for the twitchy driver or gamepad user.

Dedication, I see. Would like to hear more GTR2 guys and will then decide. Not turning away, not jumping in. :)

nicely sat on the fence TT  ;)  :D

here is the video referred to in above review:-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXlr52Cp_Uo

wow!...and we all thought IR had the take on surveying tracks. These are identical in the real footage and evo version  :o

ps..i just ordered my copy of it  :)

promo vid:-  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwkYBTP67I0

And don't forget Race 07 is also included in the Evo package, so potentially you'll be able to join us on Wednesdays  8)

The GT cars in GTR Evo have never felt quite right to me. But maybe thats because I've only ever used the default setups. However, having experienced how good the Caterhams can be, perhaps it may be worth having a another look at GTR Evo.  ???

£10 for this sim is certainly a bargain.  :)

Plus Race doesnt handle pitting well, with no damage repair. WTCC cars dont pit so they never built it quite as well as GTR2

I always said that about GTREVO Mark ::)  
It's a nice and better game in all ways than GTR2, period.  :-*

I've got it but never had the time to tinker with it :) I was surprised how many were on servers recently so it must have something. Be up for using it now.

However, its adoption really isn't gonna solve the iR conundrum that has split this league. Those happy in iR land just aren't gonna use it, or they would argue go back to it. So we are still left with two camps in a smallish community which is the root of the problem.

You could argue that this would bring in new punters, as has been suggested with the use of GTR2 mods. But, for me, it will not. Those that wanted to race Evo have already joined leagues elsewhere and we'd be so far behind other leagues in terms of experience and tinker time that we'd hold no real draw. The same applies to the use of GTR2 mods here.

Sorry to appear downcast about Evo and GTR2 which is still my fave but we are were we are with them. For me, the future here is concentrating on developing a niche in iR and drawing punters that way. Its too late for GTR2 here now :'( And maybe Evo?

I have Evo but have only driven the one car & that's the Race'07 Cat.
I couldn't complement the cat enough. 8)

I'd say Ginsters has hit the nail on the head - you can't keep trying to play catchup with mods and/or more recent titles.

I think everyone is getting frustrated with the grid sizes we're getting these days in comparison to a couple of years ago when we were running simultaneous 20 car grids on a Sunday night in the "glory days" of GTR2.

We simply don't have the numbers to support the variety of titles currently in use on here imho.   Obviously as one of the iRacing crowd, I'd love to see that take top billing, although I did love the time I had with GTR2 - but something has to be done.

I thought the reason RACE07/GTR Evo/RACE ON never took off here was that they all felt like a step backwards on GTR2 (in terms of, well, pretty much everything but the net-code)?

I'm not one of the iR crowd but, for me, thats the only way forward for this place. We've slipped behind other GTR leagues and missed the boat. Time to move on before we miss the iR boat as well (don't think the same applies to PnG and GTL mind).

With all of your focus on iR I'm sure this league will have a rosier future. I'll not be in it but when we all turn to RF2, I'll be back :)

Unfortunately it's not quite as easy as "focus on iRacing".

I suspect that we're not going to get any more crossover of SRouk drivers to iRacing from GTR/GTL/PnG, no matter how much more iRacing improves (and it has come a long way in the last 2 years).

So, that means recruiting from outside SRouk and that's been pretty spectacularly unsuccessful so far.

I'd love it if we could go muticlass endurance with iRacing but it's difficult to justify given the grid sizes we're getting. Enough for single class, yes (ish), but we'd need another 10+ regulars to go multiclass.

Feels like there's a lot of potential for iRacing fun going wasted :(

think a few may be missing my point a little when suggesting using evo  :-\, i wasnt implying that we should use Evo to lure any IR racers away or that we should treat it as the new best thing, it was more a case of 'hang on a minute, we are talking about possibly adding new cars/mods etc to try and liven up GTR2 which is now 4+? years old' when there is a ready made natural evolution of it with a great range of cars, improved physics, gfx,sounds, netcode etc all packaged up nicely in a newer sim that can be picked up for peanuts now.  :)

Also, not sure why a few are stating that this should be only an IR race website now? Plenty of us GT and historics racers still lurking, just not getting together for racing for some reason (same as IR it seems), all we see in any series is less than 20 drivers  :(. Some faces drift in and out, but for some reason they are not staying around to fight in the championships, which seems to prove we arent engaging enough or offering enough  :-\ Perhaps they are prefering other sites series where they have some nice frills like live timing or more cars etc ?  Some of our cars are a tad on the crude/limited side too when you see what mods other sites are using, as we havent updated any since we first got hold of some of the add-ons.

The recent gang of 'Race' users seem to be matching the regular champs for attendance so there must be some legs in it, and Evolution encompasses that sim as well as improving upon it.

Anyhoo, getting evolution onboard here is just a suggestion, and a good one i think, as its fresh and has a lot to offer choice wise.
Ive ordered it anyway, so will enjoy here or elsewhere  :)

And listen to the sounds in it....  8)
DBR9 at Nords in heavy rain
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdMBIGa866Y

sounds like a few of you already have GTR evo? maybe we can do some trial races to test some cars out when mine arrives  :) our reports may convince a few of the fence sitters to dive in. Ive heard the sounds from a few of the GT cars now and boy do they sound the part!...seems Simbin did listen to some of their critism from the online crowd  :)
I see it has improved dynamic weather too.  8)

Btw, the GTR2 mod running on EVO is far better than the original.

I've almost got the whole lot, Race 07, Evo and Race On :P . Been racing in a WTCC league and it's pretty good. Netcode is better than GTR2, not that it can get any worst. Dynamic weather is good, but the physics in wet aren't. Slicks remain to have too much grip, even when it's wet. So in order to "force" wets it needs to be closer to monsoon than just wet.

I'd argue iRacing is worse, however that may just be because the servers are across the pond and if we had local low latency servers things might be better.

One of us is confused MJ, we're already running Race'07. Come & try it.

not so mate, ginsters, prib, nsfast & gt? are already running evo  :)

My copy has been despatched  :) shame it wasnt here for the weekend but looking forward to giving it a try.

Lets clarify this....

Race 07 = WTCC cars, Formula BMW, F3000, Caterhams, Radicals, Minis a few road cars etc etc.......

GTR Evolution = all of Race 07 + The GT Pro, GT Sport and GT Club cars and the Nords track.

If you bought GTR Evolution (Evo) as I did, you will have Race 07 as part of the package. If you just have Race 07 I believe you can still buy Evo as an add on from the Steam website.

Since Race 07 and Evo, Simbin have released STCC-The Game (basically Race07 + some new cars, skins and Swedish tracks but not including Evo content). They also released Race On, which is basically Evo + a few more cars and tracks (notably US muscle and Formula Masters). Not sure if Race On includes STCC-The Game content or not.

Thank you GT, I've realised Reading my post back again, that I missed the "?" at the end. It was a question, I was not understanding the difference (BTW I have evo).

But I'm still left wondering if evo/race have to be separated? :-\

Tried a err, "trial" version prior to buy. Must say I had a good time with the cars I know from GTR2. Of others inside I tried some and I probably don't know to set up properly 'cause there was something missing... Didin't try rain (yet) but I hope I'm not too bold to say that of the cars I know I had a good feeling, my driving style fits right in. :) Might go for it if the crowd here is going as well. :)

This whole situation is what put me off buying this from the very beginning, there are too many versions of it. I'm not sure moving from GTR2 to a game that you can barely get anywhere (GTR evo) is really the way to go just for the sake of it. It seems Race On is more widely available than GTR evo but the basic game is still pretty old now. We all have a perfectly useable game at the moment in GTR2, we just need to use it more effectively, for example i'm sure the caterhams and the other possible mods for Race 07 are available for GTR2. I dont see running Race 07 really adds anything extra. 

Some people have Race 07, some have GTR evo, some have Race On so you are limited to using the default Race 07 content to cater for the most. But your clearly looking at a smaller client base than GTR2.

i disagree, this whole thread was about implementing it for our GT racing (and other classes) if it turns out to be something worthwhile upgrading too because in theory its a decent step forward in a lot of factors, and its available so cheaply nowadays that your not asking everyone to splash out a lot of wedge to get it. Im hoping that if a few of us regular racers give it a thumbs up then those who dont have it or are sitting on the fence will think it a worthy purchase and we can think about a champiohship, lets face it we havent got big GTR2 grids to overcome have we lately?
Ive been a sim racer for many years and have real track experience of many fast sportscars (and even a few vintage race cars) so would like to think i can offer an objective view on the grip and feel of some of the cars, though in no way an expert!..but it helps for comparison, not that anyone has to take any notice of my opinions  :P
It shouldnt come as a surprise that both GTR2 and GTL have been modded over to GTR Evo and as pribeiro states, he thinks the GTR2 cars are even better on evo !  :P

I remember quite a few of us being sceptical or even hostile towards GTR2 when it came out as we were from the knife edge GTR1 stable but look how much fun that gave us for quite a few years. If i get evo and its duff, dont worry i'll soon say so on here! but reading countless reviews elsewhere and seeing lots of great mods being made for it, i am guessing its pretty good. I was pretty impressed with that real world lap comparison video of Nords for a starter! :)

To convince everybody once and for all. Evo has working wipers! (Although most pussies use bonnetcam ;))

I'm with you on this one MJ so I'm looking to buy it and give it a go.

The cheapest I can see it for is on steam for £16.99 for both Evo and Race 07. Does anyone know if that's the best price?

i got mine from Play for £9.98  :) not sure if it was a special offer last week? Think ive seen it on amazon for £15. Could be worth a look on e-bay too.

Well assuming Race07 is sufficient (I still am confused by all these) the link I posted in the Race board still seems available

https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=8433.0

Cheers for that picnic. It seems that Race On (a very reasonable £6) contains everything apart from the Evo content, which is a bit unfortunate. :(

You must had some good timing with your purchase, MJ, Play have got Evo for £34.99 now! I'll probably go for Amazon.

We gonna try some test races with Evo then?  :)  How live is the community out there? Any leagues?

Race-on which has race07 included & STCC for £7.45, might be an option?

http://www.play.com/Games/PC/4-/12041728/Race-On-WTCC-08-US-Muscle/Product.html?ptsl=1&ob=Price&fb=0# (http://www.play.com/Games/PC/4-/12041728/Race-On-WTCC-08-US-Muscle/Product.html?ptsl=1&ob=Price&fb=0#)

or GTR evo direct from steam £16.99

http://store.steampowered.com/app/8660/ (http://store.steampowered.com/app/8660/)

Lots of them and I mean lots!

Does this thing have anything remotely like GTR2-XD?
Can't find GT1s - is this accesible through mods?
Lots of useless stuff there - front powered cars and the like... :D

Getting warmed up, really. 8)

Just a few GT1's TT  ;)

Cars: 8)

- Aston Martin DBR9
- Audi R8 GT Concept
- Corvette C5 R
- Corvette C6 R
- Dodge Viper GTS/R
- Gumpert Apollo GT
- Koenigsegg CCGT
- Lister Storm
- Saleen S7-R

GT Sport
- BMW M3 GTR
- Corvette C6 GT2
- Marcos MarcoRelly GTS
- Mosler MT900R
- Seat Toledo GT
- Spyker C8 Spyder GT2R
- SunRed SR21

GT Club
- Aston Martin DBRS9
- BMW Z4 GTR
- Dodge Viper Comp. Coupe
- Gillet Vertigo
- Marcos Marcorelly GTC
- Seat Cupra GT

WTCC ‘06/’07
- Alfa Romeo 156
- Alfa Romeo 156 GTA
- BMW 320si e90
- BMW 320i e46
- Chevrolet Lacetti
- Honda Accord Euro-R
- Peugeot 407
- Seat León
- Seat Toledo Cupra

WTCC ‘87
- Alfa Romeo 75 turbo
- BMW M3 e30

WTCC Extreme
- Alfa Romeo 156 Extreme
- BMW 320si Extreme
- Chevrolet Lacetti Extreme
- Seat León Extreme

Production Class
- Audi R8
- Dodge Viper SRT/10
- Gumpert Apollo
- Koenigsegg CCX

Formula 3000
- Lola B02/60

Formula BMW
- Formula BMW

Mini Cooper Challenge
- Mini Cooper S

Radical Sportscars
- Radical SR3
- Radical SR4

Caterham CSR
- Caterham CSR200
- Caterham CSR260
- Caterham CSR320

just a 'few' tracks included too  :)

Tracks:

WTCC ‘06/’07
- Anderstorp, Sweden
- Brands-Hatch, UK
- Brno, Czech Republic
- Curitiba, Brazil
- Istanbul, Turkey
- Macau, Macau
- Magny-Cours, France
- Monza, Italy
- Oschersleben, Germany
- Pau, France
- Porto, Portugal
- Puebla, Mexico
- Valencia, Spain
- Zandvoort, Netherlands

Nürburgring
- Nürburgring Nordschleife
- Nürburgring GP
- Nürburgring Endurance Layout


Additional Tracks
- Estoril, Portugal
- Imola, Italy
- Vara Raceway, Sweden


Nürburgring
- Nürburgring Nordschleife
- Nürburgring GP
- Nürburgring Endurance Layout


Additional Tracks
- Estoril, Portugal
- Imola, Italy
- Vara Raceway, Sweden


Alternate Layouts
- Brands Hatch Indy
- Curitiba Oval
- Curitiba Reverse
- Monza Reverse
- Monza Junior
- Macau Reverse
- Magny Cours National
- Oschersleben B-Course 06
- Oschersleben Reverse 06
- Oschersleben B-Course 07
- Oschersleben Reverse 07
- Puebla Oval
- Puebla Special
- Valencia Nacional
- Valencia Long
- Valencia Reverse
- Zandvoort Club

not to mention most of the great tracks we know in GTR2 have been ported over too, including the awesome Virtua Le Mans  8)

Yep...

http://www.vitumo.de/

and a handful of mods available for starters....  8)

http://www.simracingworld.com/files/250-gtr-evolution/5/

Be quick people !  £9.99

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/PC-Game-GTR-Evolution-/170558569361?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item27b6153b91

You gotta update DirectX 9c ... and installer says I have the newer version installed already (Win 7). Now what? ::)

Cancel the DirectX install.

Err, yes. What I mean is the XD doesn't show as I didn't update the DirectX...

always liked GTR-Evo.. especially the F3000's  :P but i realise this is thread is more about GT's  ;) and getting back into some traditional mixed class endurance GT racing

never got to grips with the online GT's but mods definitely make it feel like GTR2 tho, and racing in this league would make the game far more appealing.

Up for any test races as I haven't made any gtr2 recently  ::)

After this build up, I had to give it a go. Bear in mind, I've only tried the Koeeeenesssigg so far.

Driving the Cats in Race gives one the impression they are driving god. Whether thats cause the physics are arcadey/easy or that you have much more feedback than from GTR for example, I couldn't really tell you. Unarguably, it does make the Cats fun. I was rather surprised that Evo is very much the same so far. Its rather hard to quantify but it just "feels" good and makes you feel, like, good :)

Would it be better to run this on Race night, i.e. Wednesday, alternatively with say Clio mod? At least to start off with.





  

Not averse to a single seater series too, if it pulls the punters in. The F3000's do look good in it from what ive seen. But one of the mods i think we should all go for is the 2010 FIA GT1 mod  8)

...elp...  :helpsmilie:

Strangely, I have XD running well at GTL, GTR and P&G but not in GTREVO. I have the correct DirectX installed, or it wouldn't run in the others.
As I have Race07, GTREvo and GTR ON, anyone knows where to I have to put the XD file?
I guess it should go to the first one (Race07) right?

You just pop the xd.dll file in program files/steam/steamapps/ *your user name* / race 07 .  then run the game then quit out and if all worked well you will see the XD config file in your race 07 folder, restart the game and you should be good to go.
Ive got data acquisition in race set to "1" in my plr file in (My documents/ SimBin/ Race 07/ UserData/ *your driver name*)  cant remember if i did it for XD or to run this http://www.nogripracing.com/details.php?filenr=25143

If anyone knows what number to put in the XD config to get the driver standings table up in the very top right of the screen please let me know.

                                                            Cheers Ade


                                                                     

Thank you Ade.

Did exactly how you sugested, didn't work Ade, the file is there tho. Thank you anyway.  :)

Not that i'm being picky but do you not think it might be worth discussing it over there...

https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?board=26.0


I'm not sure the league is massively affected if people cant run the XD/ PD programme ;)

XD is a nice and usefull tool that I'm used to, with P&G and GTL. I would like to run it in RACEON, I had it once running, however don't know what happened.

So, since I bought it on Steam, I can't run XD with it?  ??? Anyone contacted them?

You should put the file in X:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\*name*\race 07

TT & PR..... try copy and pasting your XD dll and config files from you working GTR2/P&G install, it should work (if you use the new XD there) ? it may cover up some of your race 07 hud, you can fix that in you config file.

Had a look through my addon cars/ mods last night and found these for MJ ;D   http://www.artsonika.com/index.php?option=com_remository&Itemid=27&func=fileinfo&id=160
And this   http://www.artsonika.com/index.php?option=com_remository&Itemid=27&func=fileinfo&id=239 with fixed setups, looks nice in the cockpit :o

(http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii60/oilyway/Race_Steam2010-11-0300-48-39-85.jpg)

(http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii60/oilyway/Race_Steam2010-11-0300-50-37-07.jpg)

Nice one Ade, i also found this the other day:-

http://www.virtualr.net/porsche-935-for-gtr-evolution-released/

ooh yeah 8)

This was one of the choices in our recent poll, but unfortunately only received a couple of votes. Shame because it is imo the best road car mod out there and would have made for a very different but exciting mini series.

That was my first alternate move but it doesn't work. :( Will try to join today for the race.
It's also strange that after I installed GTR Evo I have defo changed sound output. Normaly works in playing music etc. on desktop / via Media Player and similar programs but has impact on TS (2 and 3) - can't hear anything - and on GTR2 sounds - car sounds, pit effects, off road, etc. Though this may also be just because of lower output of mentioned sounds. Bummer. :( All parameters read ok and system settings were not changed. Will try to take some hardware apart / try alternative solutions before I succumb to panic. ;D  Btw, antivirus and antispyware find nothing.

Must say after some laps in GTR Evo it was much harder to go back on GTR2 (GC race) but after a few laps I fell back in. In my view GTR Evo is defo a step forward, just have to find the right stuff / cars / tracks / mods to race here. :)

Also found the Hankook MX5 mod http://f1classic.your-talk.com/mods-f14/hankook-mx-5-cup-v-15-t2678.htm
Ill have to have a play with the setup, couldn't get the tail out.

At the risk of being beaten to death with countless GT Legends DVD boxes, there's an absolutely wonderful MX-5 in iRacing that you have free access to if you have a subscription.

Managed time to do a race with WTCC 2008 Lada at Albi with the AI at 110%. It was superb.  :D
Undoubtedly the best AI of all SIM games. They made slighty mistakes (and hard too), they flash
their headlights when they try to overtake us or when we force a pass manouver. Nice guys those AIs.
 ;D

Nice handling and sounds that Porsche on the pictures MJ. Very nice indeed.

 

Thats my favourite mod.  ;D ;D

whoohoo, got my copy in the post this eve.  8)

Looking forward to giving it a good test out and glad to hear others are finding it a step forward too  :) Been ages since i got excited about something for sim racing...hope it lives upto my expectations! :-X

this is the mod i want to get my hands on (check out the screenies  8) ) :-

http://f1classic.your-talk.com/mods-f14/fia-gt1-2010-proyect-t3700-45.htm

Good shout MJ!!

Me-liking so far !  :thumbup1:  tried a variety of GT pro (GT1) and their equivalent of GT2 and GT3 at several tracks. The cars sound and look superb and the ffb is much more involving. Had great fun on a wet nurburg GP track in a beemer with a grid full of GT3 class cars, the moving wipers and rain settling on the w/screen without them on really add to the immersion, as does seeing cars kicking up spray bursts through puddles on the track.  :) Graphically its a feast for the eyes.

Takes a little getting used to with the modern interface but overall its a polished, improved GT racing experience with plenty of great cars to race with. Will try a proper full race with the GTpro cars at some point and see how it pans out.

Only let down so far is that shocking rendition of Brands that they brought out first with Race07...the guy who did the topography for that should be shot! Oddly the back of the GP circuit feels pretty spot on but they got the elevation changes from paddock and druids well out. ::)  Think there is an improved add-on track for Brands available anyway.

I keep finding some stunning mods for this sim  :) Found the latest variant of the 997RSR and also a Ferrari 458 as well as many others. I am still trying to find time to give the sim a good workout, then i will download some of these mods to try and compare, starting with the 2008 FIA GT mod pack that has the whole GT1 & 2 classes.
What is apparent is that all the mod creators have turned their attention to Evo in the last year and are not making any for GTR2 it would seem, which i suppose makes sense when you see and hear how much better the cars are in Evo.

Perhaps we could arrange a little online test race at some point with those that have it? The 3 GT classes that come with the sim have some great cars in already and i found even the GT3 class a real hoot to race in. I reckon there would be a good close racing champ using them.  :)

Season 4 seems reserved for Clio and Cats... :scooter:

hello mark j (and other which are interested in GT evo)

it is little late, but in racedepartment is tonight a race with GTpro and GTsport cars in Paul richard, 84laps.
looks like there are any raceplaces free.
if you are not registered in racedepartment and do this new, then you must do "application" too (not sure what this is, to become a lincense member and can drive races.

there are not much league for GTevo (GTpro,GTsport,GTclub) cars, nearly all leagues are for Race07 (WTCC......)
in racedepartment Race07/GTRevo is very popular it looks, but i do not drive in racedepartment.

servus

It was never my intention to race GTR Evo on Wednesdays, as it would compete with GTR2. I started Wednesday Race 07 nights to offer something different and as long as it continues to have support from drivers, that's how it will continue.

As far as Evo is concerned, I would gladly race it here but it will be up to someone else to take that on.

LOL :D :D :D

Some good points MJ, been racing the GTR EVO Ferrari Vs Porsche Mod over on RaceDepartment for a few weeks now and it kicks 8) you've made some very good points, has GTR2 gone past its sell by date..one of a number of reasons that got me racing elswhere :-\

well not for me to make other peoples minds up, all i can do is report on how i am finding it, and got to say i think its great  8) Its literally what i would expect a sort of GTR3 to be...an improvement in all (in this case i'd say 'most') areas over its predecessor. :)

Just spent nearly two hours racing the AI in a GT1 race, then a GT3 race at Oschersleben with 25 car grids. 8) I cant even remember the last time i raced the AI in GTR2 as it was always a bit carp. In Evo they give you a very tough race, with close action throughout and tough but fair racing. The gfx is great, the cars, sounds and lighting are drool-worthy and my frame rates are better than in GTR2 despite the extra eye-candy !  :o  The cars feel good and love the way they move about over the kerbs which feels better than we are used too. Tried the AI at 105% in the GT1 race and they just totally kicked my butt, leaving me trailing at the rear of the field despite driving like a man possessed using all the track and plenty of kerb! Much closer in the GT3 race at 95% AI where i finished 4th with action and position changes all the way.
(ps...dont rely on the default setups, you get much better times and handling with some tweaking).

Got to say i am really enjoying it and get the worrying feeling that it will make me not wish to go back to GTR2, in the same way i could no longer enjoy GTL once i'd used the P&G mod in GTR2 as it looks and feels a bit dated compared to this.  :-\

I hope some others here give it a good go like i am and make their own minds up or add their opinions as i think this should be the way we go forward with our GT racing, especially with class mod packs available that could give us a ready made FIA championship, or even using the good spread of cars that come with the sim.

I dont quite understand the reluctance from some (or open hostility eh Spanner  ;) ) towards Evo, because if this had been released as GTR3 i am pretty sure we would all be placing our orders and going with the natural evolution. Even the flipping saloon cars are good in this !  :o

Thanks for heads up on the Evo league and racing Berger, will check that out soon, though alas too late notice for me to race tonight if i wish to keep my kahunas  ;D

Glad to hear your enjoying that mod JPS...never fear i intend to get my mitts on that mod  :)

Well, can't say more to this than AMEN. :euro:

If GTR2 can't take the competition then maybe that says its time to move on from it? For me, if Sunday is taken up by iBore then does it make sense to alternate Race/Evo on a Wednesday? A Clio (they aren't half bad :)), GT1 mix sounds great to me.

 :)

I'm gonna repeat myself, but why when I made similar comments about RACE07/GTREVO almost one year ago, noone seemed to be interested in it?  ::)
Anyway, I'm trully happy to see so many positive and obvious about a better game in all ways than GTR2 (that had it's time and was great).
Shame that presently, I have not the spare time to attend to all races, but surelly, I will be there whenever I can.

Regardless or the outcome of what happens next, there's no need to evacuate Sundays Ian, I think Pete is the only current regular ukgtr2 driver planning to persist paying for iRacing (though spanner did have his 1st good iR race after a year of trying this week... :-\).



 

The best sim racing I'm having at the moment is the Friday evening events. It's a shame that Fridays, like Saturdays, are often frustrated by the weekend festivities getting in the way ;) I had to go to the Rec last night and watch Bath Rugby.

I don't know where I stand on Evo just now. If it ends up like rF and a mess of addons and patches I can't be bothered. I've been following the debate on the PD monitor stuff for Race07 and wonder if it's all too frustrating. I've never really got on with the faster classes in GTR2, I have the odd enjoyable race but it's more down to a good car/setup/track combination. If they don't fit I don't enjoy racing them, and as you all know it's not about winning for me as I'm too slow. It's about the racing and having a car that misbehaves seemingly on a random basis is not fun. If the league moves to Evo I'll wait to see on classes / agro levels etc. before investing the time to try it out.

P.S. I think I'd need to buy a copy, as would the league to run on the server.

Pete, with something like 49 cars to choose from in Evo, we will have plenty enough to create some decent racing series without resorting to mods, but what i would say is, there are several professionally done 'ready made' championship mod packs available that many online leagues appear to have been using for a long time and would enhance the sim further still..as they always do or people wouldnt bother making them! The FIA GT modpack for example is a 113mb straight forward install, hardly rocket science or too much faffing about with, and yet it gives us a great range of GT cars ontop of those in the sim. If you read the read-me's with it, they tell you its been tested and corrected to fit perfectly in with the evo physics and car performances. Sounds perfect to me!  :)

As for using slower cars, well they always do close up the racing and create a good series and naturally the GT1 class is the pinnacle of the GT racing class so you would expect to have to have more commitment and skill in doing well with them...as it should be. The GT3 class in Evo seems perfect for a lower speed, tight racing series with a nice spread of cars.

Pribeiro, i see Evo is pretty popular in Portugal, the PTsims bunch are using it for a few championships and even use a 2010 GT pack from what ive read...and a clio racing series. Maybe you could do some translating for us and tell us how and what they doing online league wise? I noticed some old names from here, like Luis Branco racing over there.

Dont get me wrong, i am sure there are some flaws in Evo..arent there always!? I noticed there is only one slick and one wet compound tyre available in the 'extra event' races, not sure if that the same in the championships or with add-on mods. But then it may be because they stopped allowing GT teams to use a soft and medium compound around the time this came out?..not sure.
PItting is graphically simplified now, no pit crew waiting, and yet to me its enhanced over GTR2 because you have more options to make at your stop on the way in via a pop-up menu as you cruise into pitlane. You can also enter choices in a 'pre-race' pit preferences box.

Oops that's my fault though Bath played quite well  :D

Although my additional responsibilities at work mean I don't have the time to prepare for races at the moment and my favoured Z4 has been consistently made less competitive, I shall return at some point I hope.
I am following the 'where to go' threads closely at the moment and wish people well in finding a solution to what would give us a full field of close racing. My only thoughts are that if RF2 and GTR3 are close to appearing is it worth waiting for these?

hello,

i do not understand all the letter here, but do you people think to drive a GTRevo league (think GT cars) and do drop GTR2 away?

i have strong feeling that EVO will not hold long, the racing with GT cars in evo is not good for strategy, EVO is addon from Race07 and race07 are normaly in every league short sprint races with reserve grid and very often no pitstops.
the big big problem in EVO is the strategy (because of race07 game), there are only 1xdry and 1xwet tyres and the tyres are MUCH to fast out, so after any races it is frustration always only try to save tyres and try to do as long as possible stint, the fuel is no problem, very big tank (think 140-160litres), so for longer races only stop for tyres are, the tyres hold perhaps same long as softs in GTR2 and only 50%-60% as long as the middle tyres, so after 30min. tyres are normaly totaly dead.
so IF EVO comes you must be very very sentitive with racelengths, tyre and fuelsetting or season will be not good.
doing sprint races with reserve grid in 2nd race i think is not good with this cars (here are the WTCC cars or MINI better for fights with contact)
my personal thinking is, that GTR2 is the better game for GT cars racing, and many EVO GTcars leagues did go dead very quick. the advantage in EVO is for me that i like the FFB a little more, i like how the car react after a contact better (not like gtr2 sometimes car fly in air this high and make dump things after contact online), the pitstop pre-setup, and that you get the litres in pitstop what you do select before and not do like gtr2 that you leave with the litres which you do select and that the GT cars are better balanced in laptimes then the orginal GTR2 GT cars.
the main negative for me are the tyres and that cars are so corner slow (understeer perhaps??) and the strategy point and that there is no night races (or are they already??)...and that i am slow in GTRevo :D :laugh:
servus

Very helpful, Berger. :) We need to make a test enduro race and see things out. If this is the way it is we might have sprint races in Evo and enduros in GTR2 then. :)

interesting info Berger thanks, thats the sort of things we need to consider as well. I read a fairly lengthy article that said the tyres in evo were a big improvement over GTR2 using more advanced 'wear' modelling. Cant remember all the text but seemed to remember it saying it had a normal wear factor then a secondary slip-plane modelling so that when a tyre did reach its 'worn' state, it had a more dramatic effect on handling as the tyre went degraded. Sounded more realistic to me as when you watch real GT racing they seriously struggle once their tyres go off and seem to pit to swap tyres regularly dependant on series/class/track.  :-\
Not done any long distance testing in Evo to check that yet but surprised you mention it as a deterrent as the race you told me about last night was 84? laps long...sounds enduro enough to me !  :o  If you have to make more than one stop to change tyres, i think that would just add to the enduro immersion to me, as i am used to watching it in ALMS.  :)

84 lap race yesterday for sure did win which one can hold tyres best, if you push then tyres are extrem quick out in evo.
i did not read the after race post and did not see the raceresults (not easy in RD for me to find this), but i am sure a the main reason for a win was, doing 1 stop less then the others or save tyres better.
the problem with save tyres better is, that for 1 or 2 races ok,but every race doing this it get boring, but GT cars are for racing and not for tyre save extrem, so as i said before, doing server setting is very important, no fun if you must drive more then 50% of the race with tyrewarnings every race, i think this is main reason for not much EVO GT cars leagues are, how tyres are to drive i can not say if it is a improvement or not to GTR2, i do not race real races, but if you make any spins or slide?? (things that tyres get red), in EVO the tyres do not recover? (be good again) so quick then in GTR2.
any say so and any say so about tyres, my personal thinking is that tyres are harder then in GTR2, the cars have earlier a oversteer in push push out of corners and do understeer more in go in the corners, that what i do feel, perhaps other thinkg differeent.

Regarding tyre wear, i installed the superb Porsche super cup mod for evo tonight and in that you get the choice of soft or medium tyres (as well as wet) so assume the mod creators have got around the limited choice that simbin initially put in the sim.  :)

After a week or so i still think Evo is a tasty leap ahead of GTR2 in most aspects, the PSC mod was the first add-on ive tried for it and it was so impressive i am looking forward to trying out some more. 8)

In the Race07 Clio, you can select "used slicks", alongside slicks/wets.

In case you guys don't get an Evo series off the ground here, TRM racing are thinking of running one on Tuesdays (open for discussion at the moment). Might be good to combine forces? http://www.jolts-trmracing.co.uk/trm - look in the forum.

I've had Evo since release day (Couldn't resist a laser mapped version of the Ring  ;D ) but have never really got on with it - that might be because I've not spent that much time on it though due to GPL/GTL/P&G.
Especially since the ring was converted to GTR2 and I could run proper cars there...

Love the F3000's and Caterhams though  8)

Only way I could be tempted in would be if it was alternating with P&G on thursdays, something I really hope won't come to pass.

Have just downloaded the FIA 2008 GT mod for Evo, will let you know what i think of it when i get a chance to run it  :)

edit: this mod is absolute quality !  :notworthy:  it is literally how you would expect GTR2 to look if it was released a few years later with all the extra eye candy and game paraphanelia. The sounds, ffb and gfx blow GTR2 into the reeds for me.

I defy anyone who has this installled to try say the C6R in it, then fire up GTR2 and try the same car. It just doesnt compare!

I was only going to have a quick go as wanted to do some Barcelona praccy for sundays race, but an hour or so later i was still trying test races in this at Brands as a full grid of GT1&2 cars racing here was stunning  :o
So far driven the C6, 997RSR and F430 and they were all tasty. The 997 felt a little light on its feet, more like a cup car, but not detrimental enough to not enjoy racing it against the fezzas. The C6 felt superb, with the improved ffb really tugging at the steering wheel as the tyres bit or lost grip. Both fezza and 997 have finally got a decent cockpit to race from unlike the GTR2 mods of them.

I dont know how this all slipped past the radar for us GT fans  ??? Very impressive and be even better when that 2010 GT modpack comes out soon.  :)

Sounds like a great mod :D. IMO, 1 class grids is the only way to go.

Keep it comming, MJ. 8)

Thank you for your statment Mark, I feel the same about the mod.
I never thought it could be so fun driving the Mosler.  :)

GTR2/GTR Evo poll:
https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=8637.0

I strongly recommend you try the FVR8factor mod (Australian Supercar V8 mod) they've managed to get a number of the current drivers to try it and have had a massive thumbs up from them. They also have about 4 current drivers helping to refine the sim  :notworthy:

You can't say you arn't tempted by 600+Bhp nigh-on identical saloon cars can you?  ;D

I may have a go at those V8 Supercars. I've driven them in both GTR2 and rFactor. They're bonkers!

A while ago I did a few races at (no need to say) only on Australian tracks and it was nice, however it didn't conquered me. Maybe because I like variety and not only one or two cars to choose from. Btw, the driving in the driver's seat is a bit claustrophobic, we don't have to much windscreen available to see and the driving wheel is on the wrong side  ::) that's why I didn't fall in love, but again, nice mod.  :)

The GTR2 version is far better than the Race/Evo version though imho.

And the steering wheel is just exactly where it's supposed to be  ;)

post moved to other evo thread.

Made some laps with GT Club Marcos @ Brno in dry. Left front was used the most and showed more than 1 point / per lap. So after 5 laps it was on more than 6. FR was at 5, rears were below 4. After 10 laps FL was at 14. There is only one slick compound, so I guess it's the soft version. Do we have a guy who would know to incorporate meds / hards into vanilla? Btw, fuel of 100 litres drives the car for about 27 laps. My laptimes were about 2:08s, same as AIs on 100%. Have to see other cars laptimes. After 10 laps I went to pit to change tyres. AIs stayed on track and their laptimes were still @ 2:09s. With worn tyres I was losing more than 2 sec per lap, so AI is a cheating a-hole. ;) 

hello,

i do not know if GTRevo will be used for next season (do not understand all the letters), but if someone is interested in make a online test, how GTRevo make fun or not in online races, there is a race on friday 3rd december in racedepartment in interlagos, car is BMW M3 sport class
perhaps someone will make test race.

servus

Might, if there's no password required. Still have to become the Licenced member. Guess they're a bit low on staff. :-\

with a complete lack of any racing going on here, i too plumped for putting some laps in at Brno  :)  I used the delicious FIA GT mod with the ferrari F430. Best laptime was a 2:05,which seems about right compared to your GT club time TT. I seem to remember us doing 2:00's using the GT2 class in GTR2  :-\ but the cars in Evo are much more challenging and engaging to drive, plus i'm still finding my way setup wise in evo. Still not got an XD type thingy setup for it, nor found out if it can link to Motec succesfully yet? (Anyone know?), so does make it hard to tweak the setup in the right way, or see what tyre wear is etc. I do love the way it feels more realistic in keeping a powerful bhp GT car under control whilst also trying to push on, with the improved feedback...nice :thumbup1:

Got evo and race on a few days ago, I've got to say it feels, looks and sounds much better than gtr2. If you are considering starting to use it count me in

Hi Jamera, you might want to subscribe to this thread then: https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=8638.msg153171#msg153171

GTR2 S14 will (I believe) include a batch of Evo races, to see how it goes down.

I totally agree with that sentiment  :)

I cant believe we havent used it yet for a decent GT race using any of the 3 classes available instead of doing 'fun' races using same 'ol cars, that we arent even intending to use next season, out of GTR2...again  ::)  RD was another sell out race last night in GT class, with some unable to get in because it was oversubscribed. We blindly hang onto GTR2 with 8 drivers turning up. Doesnt make sense to me. :(

lol MJ every post I see you pushing GTR-Evo. Any races lined up with it I would be happy to participate in!  :-*

Well I hope it goes down well, just soooo much better than GTR2

I don't currently have a preference either way, but...

We currently enjoy fairly low grids (about 12-15 usually) with GTR2.
I fear that could plumit if we insert a series of Evo into the Sunday night slot. :-\

If we do it, hope I'm wrong. But I do support having a few Evo test races 1st, to see how everyone feels first. Just IMO of course :)

With the way the current cats series is going, maybe we ought to consider abandoning it and using alternate Wednesdays for Evo fun races so that we can gauge the interest. If H@L wants to take this on, I would support that and have no problem with it.

Problem is, I don't think we ever had a show of hands to find out how many of us actually have Evo at present. I have it and would certainly enjoy racing it here rather than elsewhere, but at present we don't have the Evo content on our server, so running any test races are impossible.

Another night degenerating into an AI race. Will have to try a pitstop race next time. Need to try and understand the car groupings as well, i'd imaging its roughly horspower grouped but need to check the car stats.

Beginning of the week seems busy but shame the back end of the week seems pretty quiet for anything other than historic racing :(

sounds like a poll would be useful to see who owns what! you could sub-define it also to owning Race 07, GTR Evo, Race-on as certain car sets or tracks are only allocated to each. The big dog to to me is Evo as it has the 3 GT classes as well as shed load of other classes. :)
End of the day it doesnt matter, nobody can force anyone else to buy or race another sim, you have to want to move forward with it and personally i do, as ive seen and felt the improvements after 5 years of GTR2. Sad thing as i mentioned in another post, is its forcing some of us to look elsewhere for our racing and this place to degenerate even further.  :(

Would GTR3 even tempt back good grids? half the srouk membership seems hooked on ir and the other half have dwindled to a small pack of regulars. Who knows...

Sounds good to me.


I can do but, I am more of  GTR2 man so if you want to do GT then please do. I only recently purchased the game and I am still finding out about settings/mods/skins etc. I am up for racing with Evo. I would have done some of the touring car races with Race 07 but, I have been busy on Wednesdays. :(

I just don't have the time to organise Evo events atm. Also I've only driven a handful of the cars and have never really gone into any depth with any of them.

I came to realise recently what I miss the most and also what I think I would like most from simracing, and that is GT racing.
It's what gripped me in the very first place with GTR, and it kept me hooked for a while with GTR2, but with such a long gap between GTR2 and GTR3 and a lot of stop gap games (race07 etc) I think that is partly what could have dispersed some communities as people obviously get bored of the same thing if it doesn't have a large enough pull, so they try other things.

Plus, for me and maybe the other younger people too  :whistling:, it was GTR that started it all off for any kind of serious sim racing. :w00t:
The absolute best Demo I ever went on was the GTR demo. getting in that Lister Storm and blasting around Spa with the engine and transmission whine it was just heaven, things just couldn't get any better than that for me then. :notworthy:
Oh Happy days.

you want to try some of the GT cars in evo at full chat then mister Leuven ! They sound and look glorious in it  8)

I assume we have it on the server now? I dont think trying to run it off of one of our PC's will really work well.

I'll volunteer my services if people are willing to guide me in what needs doing. Coming up with the cars and tracks is easy!

GTR EVO is not on the server, because of the way Steam works the league would have to buy a copy. I'm seeing mixed opinions about EVO and have never really raced any of the cars myself. There is no point the league buying it if we run 2 or 3 races only on it. There will always be other SIMs that will attract people away & if I was making a choice now I'd be iR. I'll only do EVO if I can just pick up and race the cars like I can the WTCC cars on Wednesdays.

I could host a race here, I know my line is good for a GTR2 grid of 16 cars. Not sure of the ramifications of running a dedi server on the same PC as the client or if I'd have to host in game (I'm not buying a 2nd copy for this :P)

I've got a DVD version of GTR Evo ie. Not a Steam version, that the league can have as I can't see me using it again (actually I'm not sure I've ever installed it)

Let me know where to post it if you want it!

Cheers, Ross.

I must agree with Pete (good move, Ross), buying stuff for a race with 3 people is not the option. Those (us) 3 can always go race elsewhere. We nned to find something with interest to race here. If it's iR, go for it, even if I'm not gonna do it. :)

slightly missing the point there TT, if we dont run some races and encourage people to try it, how the heck will people ever decide if its worth moving forward with. Going to stay with GTR2 until the dawn of time ?  :-X

Dont know what counts for much to persuade others but myself, TT and Lazlow at least have all had a go with the GT cars and said how great they are, and improve upon GTR2, and we are all long time sim racers, for what its worth. Its not even expensive to buy ! Isnt there a demo available for it that people can try? (though im always a bit skeptical about demos as they are generally rushed unfinished efforts). Im done with trying to convince anyone else as feel like its wasted breath  :boat:  bit like the ir guys trying to convince me its worth the money and better than our GT racing  :P

I can get my Evo GT fix at RD.  :scooter:

I thought you were all for it TT?  ??? Which way is the wind blowing hey? ;)

Clearly people seemed to have forgotten that the plan was to run some GTRevo races interspersed with the GTR2 races on sundays so here we are just bringing it forward on a seemingly free'er night.

Thanks for the offer Ross, i'd be bitting your hand for it but clearly some need more convincing :)

Meh. :D I wanna say we can test elsewhere before getting into expenses here to buy a game for the server if we're not even sure if we'll get one season through. :) We do get a steady half-full :yes: GTR2 grids, the problem seems to be Race'07. Yes, I have the whole game, was really a good price over the New year days, so why the heck didn't you guys all buy it? :P Go test the Pro class and Porsche Cup mode over at RD, so we can have decent debate here about weather it's worth buying for the server, i.e. will we drive the thing. Then we'll talk. :D

Get it on Ebay for a few quid (that's what I'm doing  ;)) and give it a go. I wish iRacing had the GT cars like the Lister etc, that Mustang just doesn't do it for me.

That's what I was trying to get at about GT cars MJ, thats why I underlined GT in my post above, you knew that though really. ;D

That would be great but, I think we need the steam version as we are using the steam version of Race07. :(

Surely all you need is the DVD key, register that on steam then download the content. With any DVD game that uses steam you can just download the content rather than using the disc.

Within Steam, you got to Games/ Activate a product on steam. It will then ask for the DVD/ CD key.

Spanner & I are at one on this. Though if Ross has registered it previously, we may need his details :-\

The hard part maybe is we have a UKGTR Steam Account and Ross's code would have to be transferred to that I suspect. I also wonder if we can run an Evo and Race07 server at the same time off the one Steam account or whether it's one or the other as they are essentially the same game, Evo being a mod to 7.

you have to be careful here, for if Ross has already registered his steam account with his copy of evo, they will not let another customer use it. It flags up the activation code as already in use. But if he didnt, your fine.

Well he said he's not installed it!

From what i understand you can run multiple dedicated servers. I thought it was looked into a while ago, the race07 ded server is used and will list the evo content.

http://www.gtr-evolution.com/support.htm

The last question here talks about running multiple instances on Vista and they recommend using XP for running multiple versions. i.e so you can run multiple instances of it. And as we are using the lobby in game it sholdnt be an issue connecting up to the specifc version.

I'm reasonably sure I never got round to installing it, but I may be wrong. I'm quite happy to give it Srou though if it helps!

If it makes things easier I'll purchase a copy for us (well, send funds so it can be bought on the steam account) we're already running Race 07 events, so the way I see it is that it would give us more options as an add on to that even if we don't decide to use it on a regular basis.

As an aside, I've been looking other sim racing sites and very few seem to be still running GTR2

If the people that want to race with it chip in a little, it will only cost us a few quid each.
What do you think?

I think that is a sound idea