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Title: UKPnG Season 4 - 1999 Hockenheim (GP) - Nov 4
Post by: Mike Miller on October 28, 2010, 11:25:48 PM +0100
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Practice 1: 19:20 (60 mins)
Qual 2: 20:20 (12 mins)
Race: 20:32 (12 laps ~30 minutes)

Cars allowed: Porsche 906 (excluding 906/8)
Track: 1999 Hockenheim (http://www.nogripracing.com/details.php?filenr=4702)
Time of Day Setting: 15:00
Weather: Dry
Start: Standing

Tyre wear: 1X
Fuel consumption: 1X
Pit-stops: none required

Server: UKPnG
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Notes:
(1) Please make sure you are fully aware of the SimRacing.org.uk Rules (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?pid=7) especially the rules about in-game chat messages.
(2) You will need to install Power and Glory 2.0 from here (http://www.gtlw.co.uk/), 2.1 patch from here (http://www.gtlw.co.uk/) and enable terrain patch.
(3) P&G has no 'Pit Speed Limiter' function. You may go as fast as you like in the pits, but please exercise caution. Penalties will be handed out for causing contact in the pit lane. Use your best judgement when driving though the pit lane.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 4 - 1999 Hockenheim (GP) - Nov 4
Post by: Legzy on October 28, 2010, 11:44:03 PM +0100
A German car at a German track... might get myself a pack of Heineken slurp on for this race ;D


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 4 - 1999 Hockenheim (GP) - Nov 4
Post by: Clive Loynes on October 29, 2010, 09:57:16 AM +0100
So we are not doing qually?

And what will decide the grid order?


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 4 - 1999 Hockenheim (GP) - Nov 4
Post by: Legzy on October 29, 2010, 10:35:36 AM +0100
It says qually: 12mins ;)


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 4 - 1999 Hockenheim (GP) - Nov 4
Post by: Geoffers on October 29, 2010, 11:20:16 AM +0100
As it is only a 30min race, any chance of a second race (maybe 20min) with reverse grid?  ;D


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 4 - 1999 Hockenheim (GP) - Nov 4
Post by: Clive Loynes on October 29, 2010, 11:23:12 AM +0100
It says qually: 12mins ;)

True, but it also says:-
(1) You must connect prior to the practice session ending. Any driver joining after the administrator starts to set the grid positions in the quali session must start at the rear of the field.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 4 - 1999 Hockenheim (GP) - Nov 4
Post by: BillThomas on October 29, 2010, 08:06:29 PM +0100
Nice one Mike all us GTL drivers raced German Touring Cars here recently no track to learn just the car.  :thumbup1:


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 4 - 1999 Hockenheim (GP) - Nov 4
Post by: Legzy on October 29, 2010, 09:25:00 PM +0100
It says qually: 12mins ;)

True, but it also says:-
(1) You must connect prior to the practice session ending. Any driver joining after the administrator starts to set the grid positions in the quali session must start at the rear of the field.

lol. Good eyes.

Well I guess one of them is a 'cut n paste' error :-\


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 4 - 1999 Hockenheim (GP) - Nov 4
Post by: Alex vV on October 30, 2010, 01:02:27 PM +0100
A German car at a German track... might get myself a pack of Heineken slurp on for this race ;D
Heineken is dutch  :P
Try Warsteiner  ;)


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 4 - 1999 Hockenheim (GP) - Nov 4
Post by: Sandor M on October 30, 2010, 01:02:51 PM +0100
A German car at a German track... might get myself a pack of Heineken slurp on for this race ;D

Ehhhh,  Heineken is Dutch , you can better grab a Bittburger  ;)

Heineken is dutch  :P
Try Warsteiner  ;)

Nice timing :-)


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 4 - 1999 Hockenheim (GP) - Nov 4
Post by: spanner on October 30, 2010, 05:17:10 PM +0100
Nice combo, think i might have to turn up for this.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 4 - 1999 Hockenheim (GP) - Nov 4
Post by: Clive Loynes on October 30, 2010, 11:44:33 PM +0100
Don't think that I'm going to shine at this one.  :(

Never did like chicanes.

Best to date is a 2:32.250


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 4 - 1999 Hockenheim (GP) - Nov 4
Post by: Mike Miller on October 31, 2010, 01:59:25 AM +0100
Well I guess one of them is a 'cut n paste' error :-\

You nailed it Legzy.
I know it is a short quali and race. It's nice to take it easy from time to time. The 20 minute race and then reset isn't as easy to manage in GTR2 as it is in Race07


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 4 - 1999 Hockenheim (GP) - Nov 4
Post by: phspok on November 01, 2010, 12:56:03 PM +0000
Marster aint gimme no talk about grid order... I gonna start yon merry race an thas it mateys.

EDIT:
and then spin lots braking for the chicarones


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 4 - 1999 Hockenheim (GP) - Nov 4
Post by: ginsters sponsored on November 01, 2010, 03:07:25 PM +0000
Woohoo no pitstops. Wooohooo 906's. Should make this one.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 4 - 1999 Hockenheim (GP) - Nov 4
Post by: Mike Miller on November 01, 2010, 07:40:54 PM +0000
Guys... I have to work in New York Tuesday and Thursday this week. Unfortunately, I will not be able to make it to the race. I knew my good run of not missing an event this season wouldn't last. Enjoy the race guys.

 I do miss racing Ginsters too. Will you make it to the Cat race on Wed SBG?


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 4 - 1999 Hockenheim (GP) - Nov 4
Post by: goldtop on November 03, 2010, 09:49:14 AM +0000
Nice combo...I'm up for this one  8)


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 4 - 1999 Hockenheim (GP) - Nov 4
Post by: ginsters sponsored on November 03, 2010, 09:43:28 PM +0000
I'm gonna be stuck at work morrow and will miss this :'(

Can I be cheeky and ask, are there more races of say 40 mins without pistops planned? That my preference but if I'm alone, I'll get my coat.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 4 - 1999 Hockenheim (GP) - Nov 4
Post by: Legzy on November 03, 2010, 09:49:43 PM +0000
I'm gonna be stuck at work morrow and will miss this :'(

Can I be cheeky and ask, are there more races of say 40 mins without pistops planned? That my preference but if I'm alone, I'll get my coat.
That would also be my preference, to see more sprints, not just in PnG but all the sims. Maybe even 30 min sprints instead, before tyre wear becomes an issue. :)

Enduence races are great, when the numbers on the grid are high enough.




Title: Re: UKPnG Season 4 - 1999 Hockenheim (GP) - Nov 4
Post by: Mark J on November 03, 2010, 10:25:03 PM +0000
ive really enjoyed the enduro length races this season with a pitstop involved, but equally happy with 40minute sprints too. Not done a lap here yet...been distracted !


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 4 - 1999 Hockenheim (GP) - Nov 4
Post by: Legzy on November 03, 2010, 11:00:31 PM +0000
Well 2:30's for me so far after a handfull of laps. Should be able to tidy that up a little.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 4 - 1999 Hockenheim (GP) - Nov 4
Post by: Navin R Johnson on November 03, 2010, 11:04:32 PM +0000
Will have to miss this one too  :(.. Have a good time fellas ;D


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 4 - 1999 Hockenheim (GP) - Nov 4
Post by: Mark J on November 03, 2010, 11:27:05 PM +0000
Nice track this, proper racing track  8) Love blatting through those fast dipping chicanes :) 906 feels made for this place. Wish i'd got more laps in though so probably off pace with my mid 2:30's.

We should use this track again for a variety of cars, should make for good racing.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 4 - 1999 Hockenheim (GP) - Nov 4
Post by: Mike Miller on November 04, 2010, 01:59:32 AM +0000
The remainder of the races in this series will be back to the regularly scheduled program of handicapping with pit stops in a 60 minute period. The pit stops are big part of the handicap balancing formula.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 4 - 1999 Hockenheim (GP) - Nov 4
Post by: Clive Loynes on November 04, 2010, 09:25:31 AM +0000
Nice track this, proper racing track  8) Love blatting through those fast dipping chicanes :) 906 feels made for this place. Wish i'd got more laps in though so probably off pace with my mid 2:30's.

We should use this track again for a variety of cars, should make for good racing.

Well I think it is dreadful!



Title: Re: UKPnG Season 4 - 1999 Hockenheim (GP) - Nov 4
Post by: phspok on November 04, 2010, 12:49:47 PM +0000
I quite like this older version of the track. 16 laps would produce around 40mins.
Not sure about why it's only 12 laps with 1x tyres and fuel but that's what I will start it as
unless Mike changes it.
I am commuting to Hinckley next week (2hrs each way) so "should" be back in time.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 4 - 1999 Hockenheim (GP) - Nov 4
Post by: Sandor M on November 04, 2010, 03:43:11 PM +0000
Grmbl,

Got myself some kind of shoulder injury and now my right arm is hurting like hell after driving a few laps :'(
I'm afraid I have to skip this one and hope to be in shape for the next round.

Must be the age already.......

Hope you all have a fun race


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 4 - 1999 Hockenheim (GP) - Nov 4
Post by: spanner on November 04, 2010, 04:10:56 PM +0000
Not done any practise yet. Hope some one can lend me a safe setup, these are very peculiar to setup.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 4 - 1999 Hockenheim (GP) - Nov 4
Post by: phspok on November 04, 2010, 04:20:42 PM +0000
I normally hate 906s, but here they seem more manageable, I am using a default setup with
the brake bias pushed way back from the default, and not much else changed so far.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 4 - 1999 Hockenheim (GP) - Nov 4
Post by: Geoffers on November 04, 2010, 08:58:53 PM +0000
I can only apologise for some terrible driving from me this evening. Firstly for everyone I caused to spin/crash at the first chicane on lap 1. Then for twice spinning Bill out within a couple of laps. Very sorry.

I was enjoying this car in testing this week, getting down to 2.30, but it just felt horrible tonight.

Once again, apologies. Cya next week.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 4 - 1999 Hockenheim (GP) - Nov 4
Post by: goldtop on November 04, 2010, 09:08:39 PM +0000
Usually enjoy the 906 but it was just awful here for some reason. Totally unpredictable under braking and acceleration all night until eventually I had enough and hit esc. That's it for PnG for me.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 4 - 1999 Hockenheim (GP) - Nov 4
Post by: Clive Loynes on November 04, 2010, 09:16:24 PM +0000
Usually enjoy the 906 but it was just awful here for some reason. Totally unpredictable under braking and acceleration all night until eventually I had enough and hit esc. That's it for PnG for me.

It's all that other carp that you drive Tudor.  It has warped you.   ;D


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 4 - 1999 Hockenheim (GP) - Nov 4
Post by: Mark J on November 04, 2010, 09:38:40 PM +0000
That was good fun albeit short and sweet  :)  Too many distractions this week meant next to zero practise, only having done 6 laps late last night..not the best prep. Didnt even get a good setup together, just using my mid-ohio one and can see that needed more laps to tune it further.

Had some good scraps along the way until getting a wheel off in the stadium and running wide on the grass which lost me about 10 seconds, but then had some good battling with Spanner for rest of the race. The bugger nipped by me in the penultimate corner when i again went into the corner too fast  ::)

Not my finest performance in a porker   :-[ finished 9th.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 4 - 1999 Hockenheim (GP) - Nov 4
Post by: Legzy on November 04, 2010, 09:39:21 PM +0000
That's it for PnG for me.
Didn't you retire last week? :-*
Look forward to racing you at Kyalami next week buddy! ;)


I didn't suffer the same issues others seemed too & had a decent showing here. But once GT dropped back, I didn't have anyone to race as I couldn't catch Clive etc ahead. So with a couple of laps to go, decided to hold back & wait for Matt. Enjoyed that last couple of laps mate cheers. 8)

The other highlight of for me of course, was explaining to MJ on TS, that Porka's are all about corner exit speed "Slow in fast out is the way MJ" ;D


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 4 - 1999 Hockenheim (GP) - Nov 4
Post by: Alex vV on November 04, 2010, 09:40:32 PM +0000
Great race with great cars!

Starting from my regular position I had a nice view of the entire filed storming to the first chicane with some mayham going on. The was caught out with cold tires in the third chicane.
Dead last but fortunately found Bill and Geoffers for a nice fight (why slow down Geoffers?). Great pace Bill  :euro:
Mister G. soon found his pace again and passed me. Then I had a first row view of Geoffers and Bill fighting it out like they were in Brazil fighting for the F1 championship  :o
Sadly enough it ended in tears but I must say that the sight of two spinning Porsche's on the straight was just like a scene from Le Mans(R).

Then it was kind of lonely but car/track proved enough challenge to keep on pushing!

I like the enduro stuff with pitstops but this sprint race with prototypes was refreshing..

Hope to see you all again next week (including injured teamie)


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 4 - 1999 Hockenheim (GP) - Nov 4
Post by: goldtop on November 04, 2010, 09:55:16 PM +0000
That's it for PnG for me.
Didn't you retire last week? :-*
Look forward to racing you at Kyalami next week buddy! ;)

 :laugh: Yeah I know....and probably the week before that  ::)

Still have the IROC bash at Christmas....... if I can manage a lap without falling off that is. Perhaps V3 when it eveeeeeeeeeentually comes out will relight the spark.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 4 - 1999 Hockenheim (GP) - Nov 4
Post by: phspok on November 04, 2010, 09:57:20 PM +0000
Results and Replay Posted
p.s
Please ignore the smaller replay file, it needs deleting.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 4 - 1999 Hockenheim (GP) - Nov 4
Post by: FullMetalGasket on November 04, 2010, 09:57:31 PM +0000
First and Foremost : Can a mod type personage please Rename Mr Loynes to "Clive 'Opportunist' Loynes" please  ;D

Suprised myself in getting from 5th on the grid upto 2nd in the first lap! Then slowly got reeled in a beaten up again (Mostly under braking for the chicanes due to the Langheck's extra weight).
Had a battle for 3rd with Truetom that lasted most of the race, he had the early speed advantage while I seemed to get faster as the race progressed (I had to run a harder rear (Yellow spot) as the added rear weight was eating the white spot's in about 6 laps), I'm guessing both Clive and Tom were running the softest compound going all round...

Eventually I'd caught back up with and even re-passed Tom before he snuck back up again, only for Clive to jump me the next straight as he'd snuck up while we battled  :cursing:
I was deffinatly faster than Clive at that point but was struggling to get by due to his 906E still having better brakes, eventually he made a mistake in the penultimate corner on the final lap - I got along side and as a result 'helped' him into a spin  :ninja:
As I'm fairly certain you guys race in the idea of it being a 'gentlemans sport' I allowed Clive to repass me before finishing - not 100% I should have though as he wasn't entirely under control at the time.....

Nevermind, was good fun anyway - the Longtail handles sort of like a BRM P83/115  ;D


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 4 - 1999 Hockenheim (GP) - Nov 4
Post by: FullMetalGasket on November 04, 2010, 09:58:55 PM +0000
The Langheck runs Dunlops if you want to edit that into LM2 by the way  :thumbup1:


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 4 - 1999 Hockenheim (GP) - Nov 4
Post by: Truetom on November 05, 2010, 08:08:56 AM +0000
Joined specificaly for car, this is the one I enjoy driving. :) Was close to the top laptimes (a second or two behind per lap is no big dela really :whistling: ) and managed to get the car moving within 5 seconds after the start. :P Was fairly consistent, one or two minor errors which only contributed to more interesting consecutive overtaking with Mr. Muttram / Fully gasketed metal. :wacko: I gave him a friendly tap once but he skillfuly recovered and side by side action was resumed. Good stuff. 8) Opportunistic persona Clive was edging closer and closer while we slowed eachother down though I for myself was glad that he did as I was granted less pressure and was finaly able to drift safely to the end to the 3rd place. Well done, Clive. ;)

This is why I would join any sim, any day. Driveable(!) car and track worth of its name. :)


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 4 - 1999 Hockenheim (GP) - Nov 4
Post by: Alex vV on November 05, 2010, 11:52:16 AM +0000

Unofficial LapChart (http://www.justanotherpage.nl/Srou/PnG/Hock99/)


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 4 - 1999 Hockenheim (GP) - Nov 4
Post by: BillThomas on November 05, 2010, 12:08:36 PM +0000
I can only apologise for some terrible driving from me this evening. Firstly for everyone I caused to spin/crash at the first chicane on lap 1. Then for twice spinning Bill out within a couple of laps. Very sorry.

I was enjoying this car in testing this week, getting down to 2.30, but it just felt horrible tonight.

Once again, apologies. Cya next week.

Our cars seemed to be drawn together last night.  It was me who T-boned you.  Any way I had fun racing you - I seem to brake too early, compared to most other driver and catch people out.  The only pity was  I think the last time Alex pasted me.  I managed to keep the gap at about 7 to 9 secs for a few laps then, scanning my Xd data, I got careless and had a wobble which resulted in a big off and damage.  As a result I steadily dropped further and further back.

In practice I set new PBs and set the final one in Qualifying, which was pleasing.  Made my usual good "clutch" start but had to lift and most people pasted me.  Trying to drive steady until my tyres were warmed up but got caught out with Geoffers spin.  I ran wide in the twisty bit before the pits and Geoffers got by but he then went wide on the second lap and I got by.  Then as Alex said we had a hard battle with me leaving very hard braking as late as I could, Geoffers backed off and fell  in behind me.  (The only advantage of a narrow track with one racing line.)  Luckily we had similar gearing and  coming out of the corners first I was able to accelerate first and keep in front.

Looking forward to next week, although like Tudor I'd prefer GTL with it's fixed 30 sec wait for the start.  The long wait for everyone to get themselves ready to race really winds me up.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 4 - 1999 Hockenheim (GP) - Nov 4
Post by: Clive Loynes on November 05, 2010, 12:24:32 PM +0000

Unofficial LapChart (http://www.justanotherpage.nl/Srou/PnG/Hock99/)

Thanks Alex


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 4 - 1999 Hockenheim (GP) - Nov 4
Post by: Geoffers on November 05, 2010, 01:32:48 PM +0000
Our cars seemed to be drawn together last night.  It was me who T-boned you. 

The first collision, you ran wide in the stadium section & I had a tighter line & we sort of had converging lines out of the turn. Not sure whose fault that was, but slowed & waited anyway. Second collision was definitely my fault, I got too close exiting the turn & nudged you into a slide. I totally missed the next chicane after that & got an S/G so drove to the pits & retired.

Wasn't really enjoying it, as i said before the car just didn't handle like it did in offline testing, weird  ???


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 4 - 1999 Hockenheim (GP) - Nov 4
Post by: FullMetalGasket on November 05, 2010, 02:08:47 PM +0000
I found mine handling differently on-line aswell  ???
Had to adjust the diff and break balence to try and sort it.
Luckily I managed to learn the track better as practice progressed so knocked some time off my previous PB, wierd though as it felt like there was less grip online..


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 4 - 1999 Hockenheim (GP) - Nov 4
Post by: Clive Loynes on November 05, 2010, 03:36:00 PM +0000
I did a blow by blow race report and thought that I had posted it here this morning but I guess that it floated off into cyberspace.

Anyway.  Thanks Tim for giving the place back.  As you have said, I was out of shape already when we touched and it looked to me that we would both have found it easier to take to the pit entrance.  On the basis that you had a better view I gratefully accepted 4th spot so thanks for that.

When it came to the race I was slow in the stadium section for some reason.  I had altered my ratios during practice to maximise my exit from the poxy chicanes and it left my wanting something a bit higher than second and a bit lower than third for the last two corners.

I made a good start and wedged myself between Ade and API into T1.  Sadly my lack of track time with other people did not prepare me for what the slipstream was going to do to me at the first chicane.  In my efforts to give the place back to Ade, I dropped to fourth.

Still say that it's a poxy track.  A chicane is an admission of failure on the part of any circuit designer. 

For our use, it would be better if the track cutting limits were to be tightened up a bit.

Grats to API, Ade and TT


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 4 - 1999 Hockenheim (GP) - Nov 4
Post by: Hotkeys on November 06, 2010, 12:49:23 PM +0000
I hope I have the right version of Kyalami for next weeks race. Any chance of a new post with a DL link Mike ?

Stig / Hotkeys


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 4 - 1999 Hockenheim (GP) - Nov 4
Post by: Mike Miller on November 07, 2010, 01:34:10 AM +0000
I'm sorry I haven't been around guys. Work has got me by the throat. I worked all day today and was in the city 3 days last week. 70 Kyalami is the track. I posted details for this Thursdays event.