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Title: Race 07 UK Touring Car Challenge - Thruxton - Jan 12
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on October 31, 2010, 02:52:23 PM +0000
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All members welcome.

Grid/server capacity: 25

Practice: ~19:10 (60 mins)
Race 1 Qualifying: 20:10 (20 mins)
Race 1: 20:30 15 laps, then following shortly afterwards with reverse grid
Race 2: 15 laps

Track: Thruxton Download this (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=8338.msg147532#post_thruxton)

Cars allowed: Any car from WTCC06 or WTCC07
 
Time of Day Setting: 14:00
Weather: DRY
Start: STANDING
Tyre wear: Normal
Fuel consumption: Normal

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Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Notes:
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(3) Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R;group=283)

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Title: Re: Race 07 UK Touring Car Challenge - Thruxton - Jan 12
Post by: goldtop on January 10, 2011, 06:34:36 PM +0000
Gutted that I can't make this one, although I will be around to start server and post results like last week. This should be a blast for the brave with the almost flat Church corner and the difficult braking zone into the chicane  :o

The AI were ok in testing, but as ever if you feel they play up too much during pracci/qual and will present a hazard during the race, vote to kick 'em.

Have fun  :'(


Title: Re: Race 07 UK Touring Car Challenge - Thruxton - Jan 12
Post by: Legzy on January 10, 2011, 10:59:50 PM +0000
Got down to a 1:17.8 tonight. Kept getting up on that in the 1st two sectors, but that final chicane is a regular laptime killer! :o


Title: Re: Race 07 UK Touring Car Challenge - Thruxton - Jan 12
Post by: b_1_rd on January 10, 2011, 11:24:13 PM +0000
Well, as long as you guys don't go getting loads faster like normal then its nice to have a semi-decent lap time for once! Whether I can stay on for 15 laps is another thing!  Its like driving a trampoline around this track its so bumpy.  Good fun though.

Hope I can make it.


Title: Re: Race 07 UK Touring Car Challenge - Thruxton - Jan 12
Post by: Mcfids on January 11, 2011, 01:14:22 PM +0000
I had a quick go last night on this track and got down to 1.17.2. It's pretty hard stringing together the perfect lap here.

Looking forward to this after my enforced absence from the last Touring Car race. 


Title: Re: Race 07 UK Touring Car Challenge - Thruxton - Jan 12
Post by: spanner on January 11, 2011, 03:52:43 PM +0000
Its a shame the beemers are so off the pace round here for me, feels nicer with those sudden elevation changes but can only do mid 20's


Title: Re: Race 07 UK Touring Car Challenge - Thruxton - Jan 12
Post by: goldtop on January 11, 2011, 05:26:08 PM +0000
It's a shame the beemers are so off pace generally as there are so many fwd fans here. I'd presumed Simbin would have produced a reasonably balanced pack of cars for such a flagship product but it appears not.

If we run another series with these cars it might be good to experiment with balancing by weight penalty to have a more even balance between fwd and rwd.

I could (maybe with a little help  ;)) look into doing this for the remainder of this season if we all felt this was a good idea  :-\



Title: Re: Race 07 UK Touring Car Challenge - Thruxton - Jan 12
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on January 11, 2011, 07:27:54 PM +0000
If I get my Race07 installed and running tonight I might join you guys tomorrow  :)

But what's a good car for a newbie to run with?


Title: Re: Race 07 UK Touring Car Challenge - Thruxton - Jan 12
Post by: LEUVEN on January 11, 2011, 08:44:31 PM +0000
If I get my Race07 installed and running tonight I might join you guys tomorrow  :)

But what's a good car for a newbie to run with?

When I gave the cars a quick go before the Donnington race, the Honda Accord stood out to be the one car that felt quite nice and balanced with a good turn in and not so much understeer at the same time as not biting when you push.
It's down on power compared to the SEAT, BMW and Chevy though.


Title: Re: Race 07 UK Touring Car Challenge - Thruxton - Jan 12
Post by: Legzy on January 11, 2011, 09:35:46 PM +0000
If I get my Race07 installed and running tonight I might join you guys tomorrow  :)

But what's a good car for a newbie to run with?
I've struggled to find a car I enjoy in this group, but have found the Alfa is the best bet for me :)


Title: Re: Race 07 UK Touring Car Challenge - Thruxton - Jan 12
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on January 12, 2011, 09:03:03 AM +0000
Instaaled my Race07 but it now looks like I'm going to be late home tonight. Ho hum  :(


Title: Re: Race 07 UK Touring Car Challenge - Thruxton - Jan 12
Post by: Truetom on January 12, 2011, 10:51:06 AM +0000
Can't get lower than 1:19. Seems like the beemer is really off pace... :(


Title: Re: Race 07 UK Touring Car Challenge - Thruxton - Jan 12
Post by: b_1_rd on January 12, 2011, 12:45:05 PM +0000
I'm don't tend to follow the four wheel racing that much, favouring bikes; however, looking back at the 2007 BTCC series, the race laptimes were generally in the 19's and 20's.  Qualifying was 17's but I guess they benefit from supersoft/qualifying tyres? Not sure on that.

Anyway, my point is that perhaps its the other cars that need to be slowed rather than making the beemer quicker?  Or is it more to do with us simmers hammering around at a faster pace knowing we will walk away if we throw it into the wall?

Just a thought  :)


Title: Re: Race 07 UK Touring Car Challenge - Thruxton - Jan 12
Post by: goldtop on January 12, 2011, 01:27:52 PM +0000
I'm don't tend to follow the four wheel racing that much, favouring bikes; however, looking back at the 2007 BTCC series, the race laptimes were generally in the 19's and 20's.  Qualifying was 17's but I guess they benefit from supersoft/qualifying tyres? Not sure on that.

Anyway, my point is that perhaps its the other cars that need to be slowed rather than making the beemer quicker?  Or is it more to do with us simmers hammering around at a faster pace knowing we will walk away if we throw it into the wall?

Just a thought  :)

I've been fortunate to have been able to walk away unscathed from so many nasty accidents in my simracing career  :)

Regards the lap times, bear in mind that these are WTCC cars and presumably different specs to those in BTCC  :scooter:

You're right though......to make the beemer more competetive, the most workable option would be to slow the fwd cars down with added weight.



Title: Re: Race 07 UK Touring Car Challenge - Thruxton - Jan 12
Post by: picnic on January 12, 2011, 01:56:50 PM +0000
the most workable option would be to slow the fwd cars down with added weight.

Lucky the game doesn't detect body weight or I'd already have that liability  ;D


Title: Re: Race 07 UK Touring Car Challenge - Thruxton - Jan 12
Post by: LEUVEN on January 12, 2011, 05:46:36 PM +0000
Can't get lower than 1:19. Seems like the beemer is really off pace... :(

I believe it's more down to this track, or at least this add-on track. (and a poor one at that TBH, where's the god damn scenery as reference points?)
You can also floor it in the FWD cars over the bumps but in the Beemer you need to lift slightly or the back end comes round (default setup)

This could be one of the worst tracks for FWD vs RWD in WTCC sims as at Donnington the other week I was only a couple of tenths off the Lacetti's time
but because I'd had a few more laps in the Lacetti I chose that and with a bit of time changing the setup maybe as fast?

Maybe (Hopefully) the BMW pace will show up better at one of the next races at an official track where it can be tested more equally.
As in recent years I've seen it as FWD = slightly easier, but more tyre wear and not quite as fast as BMW. RWD = slightly harder, less tyre wear, but a bit faster than FWD.

EDIT: meant to say that when I downloaded this track I got big green patches where the gravel traps should be, so I got it from the Nogrip site and it was OK. I had similar problems with the Donnington track too come to think of it. ??? :helpsmilie:


Title: Re: Race 07 UK Touring Car Challenge - Thruxton - Jan 12
Post by: Mark J on January 12, 2011, 05:58:24 PM +0000
neither track download links work for me  ??? Is the same track called 'Thruxton 07' on no-grip ? If it is, ive got that.

Not sure i can make tonight yet and havent done a single lap of praccy, so will see.


Title: Re: Race 07 UK Touring Car Challenge - Thruxton - Jan 12
Post by: LEUVEN on January 12, 2011, 06:02:56 PM +0000
Is the same track called 'Thruxton 07' on no-grip ?
That's the one I used.


Title: Re: Race 07 UK Touring Car Challenge - Thruxton - Jan 12
Post by: goldtop on January 12, 2011, 06:58:58 PM +0000
The beemers were off pace in the first rounds at Brands and Rockingham aswell, so while some of it is track dependent I still think they're weak. I'm happy to leave it as is it....I drive the Leon anyway :P

Starting the practice session on the server now, 'cause I'm on taxi duties again ::)....have fun.


Title: Re: Race 07 UK Touring Car Challenge - Thruxton - Jan 12
Post by: Legzy on January 12, 2011, 09:15:51 PM +0000
Yet again I've missed out due to the earlier starting time being used by UKRace07 :(

You were all about half way round your 2nd lap when I was able to get to my PC... Was quite frustrated.

Came back to do race 2, only to find you all on lap 1 turn 2. :taz:

Having put in the practice again this week for Race07, I have again missed out by minutes. Can we please sync the start time up to the other mid-week sims please?


Title: Re: Race 07 UK Touring Car Challenge - Thruxton - Jan 12
Post by: Legzy on January 12, 2011, 09:52:09 PM +0000
Results & Replays up


Title: Re: Race 07 UK Touring Car Challenge - Thruxton - Jan 12
Post by: goldtop on January 12, 2011, 10:28:44 PM +0000
Thanks for doing the results/replays Legzy  8)

No problem moving the start time back 10 minutes to 20:40 as long as there are no objections. Personally it won't make much difference as I'm finding it difficult to attend anything atm.....I'm thinking of going the whole hog and putting a taxi sign on the roof of the car  ::) Hopefully things will change soon.

So, unless anyone objects by this time tomorrow (by pm if you prefer) qualis will commence at 20:20 and races at 20:40.


Title: Re: Race 07 UK Touring Car Challenge - Thruxton - Jan 12
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on January 12, 2011, 10:29:02 PM +0000
Sorry I couldn't make this one but looking at the times I would have been off the pace. Still perhaps another time..........


Title: Re: Race 07 UK Touring Car Challenge - Thruxton - Jan 12
Post by: Truetom on January 13, 2011, 07:25:21 AM +0000
Strange that I'm not even in results, though I qualified and made a few laps in R1 before disco. ???

Made a pb 1:17 and it was still not enough to place the beemer anywhere decent. But I will not budge. ;D This track is nice to drive, you have to be really precise to get anywhere, so it would be ok race if there would be more braves to take BMW. :P

Disco was strange, same as on Tuesday at Race Development, so it's either my connection or game's net code. I didn't do anything else on the net at the time. Will need more testing, I'll probably do that on RD races. ;)


Title: Re: Race 07 UK Touring Car Challenge - Thruxton - Jan 12
Post by: picnic on January 13, 2011, 07:56:13 AM +0000
Disco was strange, same as on Tuesday at Race Development, so it's either my connection or game's net code. I didn't do anything else on the net at the time. Will need more testing, I'll probably do that on RD races. ;)

Not sure it wasn't your end TT, I think you disconnected from TeamSpeak around the same time.


Title: Re: Race 07 UK Touring Car Challenge - Thruxton - Jan 12
Post by: Mcfids on January 13, 2011, 08:31:55 AM +0000
Oh dear, a race night to forget for me :(

It started well with a PB of 1.16.2s in qualifying to take an unexpected 3rd on the grid, but that was it as I took out Gazza at T1 due to cold brakes - apologies, a schoolboy error on my part. It was, however, good fun making my through pack to finish a semi-decent 6th.

I got a good start in Race 2 from 3rd on the grid to make 2nd by T1 and I was right behind the AI leader. He then unexpectedly dabbed the brakes on a fast straight and I couldn't avoid him, causing carnage in my wake. My damaged car was crabbing by this point so I quit out.


 


Title: Re: Race 07 UK Touring Car Challenge - Thruxton - Jan 12
Post by: Truetom on January 13, 2011, 09:11:54 AM +0000
Disco was strange, same as on Tuesday at Race Development, so it's either my connection or game's net code. I didn't do anything else on the net at the time. Will need more testing, I'll probably do that on RD races. ;)

Not sure it wasn't your end TT, I think you disconnected from TeamSpeak around the same time.

Hm, forgot to look at the log on TS. You think you see a History there or some such?


Title: Re: Race 07 UK Touring Car Challenge - Thruxton - Jan 12
Post by: Gazza49er on January 13, 2011, 09:44:49 AM +0000
Oh dear, a race night to forget for me :(
It started well with a PB of 1.16.2s in qualifying to take an unexpected 3rd on the grid, but that was it as I took out Gazza at T1 due to cold brakes - apologies

No worries mate, was a shame but these things happen, remember we are on the same team though  ::)

Like you said it was good fun coming back through the pack and had some very close racing with nfast and Mcfids. Great close finish in race 1, just pipped Spanner on the line  8)

Race 2 was better until some spinners ahead made me check up and sneaky Ade was able to get through to the lead. Was pushing hard to catch Ade but he was quick until he made a mistake on the fast bend and i was handed the lead. Managed to keep Lazlow 2 secs behind until he made an error in the chicane which allowed me to take the win a little easier.


Title: Re: Race 07 UK Touring Car Challenge - Thruxton - Jan 12
Post by: b_1_rd on January 13, 2011, 02:04:56 PM +0000
Quite enjoyed that with a laptime slightly closer to most of you than normal, although there was some serious pace going on in Q and both races.

Race 2 after starting 2nd on the grid, I got a poor get away (really need to practices them more) I was caught up in AI induced L1 incident, nearly got through but just got clipped and ended up in the barrier with aero and suspension damage, but thought I'd have a go at contining.  Was a challange to keep the car on track with heavy understeer, I couldn't carry much speed through some of the turns which resulted in a laptime over 2 seconds slower than race 1.  The cars ahead, who I think were mainly AI were tantalising around 7 to 9 seconds ahead but couldn't close at all; I could only hope that they might tangle themselves up, but never happened.

Just about got around with seconds to spare without being lapped.

Cheers.