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Practice 1: 19:20 (60 mins)
Qual 2: 20:20 (12 mins)
Race: 20:32 (38 laps)

Cars allowed: Refer to this  spreadsheet (http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0AgyClStz4uopdGdEb0FEWmhGMmkzNEZlZmYtVDBJblE&hl=en&output=html). Your car choice is limited to your average finish position (trimean).

Drivers with an average finish of 1 - 5.99 are restricted to cars in the Yellow group.
Drivers with an average finish of 6 - 10.99 are restricted to cars in the Yellow and Orange groups.
Drivers with an average finish of 11+ may drive any car from any group.
If your name is not on the list (first time drivers) you are restricted to cars in the Yellow group.

Yellow (average finish 1+)

• Chevrolet Corvette L76 Roadster
• Chevrolet Corvette Z06 Coupe (excluding white #5)
• Ford Falcon Weslake
• Ford Mustang Trans-Am

Orange (average finish 6+)

• Ford Falcon Mann
• Ferrari 275 GTB/C (excluding Speciale)
• Shelby GT350R SCCA
• Chevrolet Corvette Z06 Coupe (white #5)
• Ford Mustang AATC Gr5 #01

Green (average finish 11+)

• Shelby Cobra 289 Roadster
• Jaguar E-Type Lightweight (all)
• Shelby GT350R CASC
• Chevrolet Corvette L72

Track: Kyalami 1970 (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3356.msg54521#post_kyalami70)
Time of Day Setting: 15:00
Weather: Dry
Start: Standing

Tyre wear: 1X
Fuel consumption: 2X
Pit-stops: At least 1 stop is required taking on at least 1 litre of fuel and/or changing 2 tires. You cannot take a mandatory stop at the end of the pace lap, or with less than 1 lap to go.

Server: UKPnG
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Championship standings (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=282&theme=34)

Notes:
(1) It's best if all drivers can make sure they are connected before the Qualifying session as drivers on track during qualifying will not see cars that join after they are on track until they go back to the garage.
(2) Please make sure you are fully aware of the SimRacing.org.uk Rules (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?pid=7) especially the rules about in-game chat messages.
(3) You will need to install Power and Glory v2 from here (http://www.gtlw.co.uk/), 2.1 patch from here (http://www.gtlw.co.uk/) and enable terrain patch.
(4) Drivers are reminded that they must select ISDN as their bandwidth, otherwise the stability of every-one's connection will be reduced.
(5) P&G has no 'Pit Speed Limiter' function. You may go as fast as you like in the pits, but please exercise caution. Penalties will be handed out for causing contact in the pit lane. Use your best judgement when making your pitstop during the race.

Spreadsheet needs updating to put Silverstone70 on and, most importantly, Ade into the yellow group!   :thumbup1:

Where does that put me please?  ;D

Bill,
If it is your first race then you have to take a car from the yellow group.

Thanks Alex.  No I raced at Silverstone and came last 3 Laps down.

Of course. How could I forget your exquisite car  ;)

You finished 13th which makes you eligible for class Green.

I noticed a bit of inconsistency in the spreadsheet, Mike & Sandor were given as DNF for Silverstone, however those that DNFed in the first two races were allocated finishing positions. Makes a big difference in some cases!

I guess it was the only way to eliminate the chance for the fastest drivers to drive a Green Group car. Looking at the gap between drivers in the race of Silverstone 70, it worked pretty well in my opinion. If the target is a close race, you can't let the fast people take a car 4-5 seconds faster than the others... In that way there will be a good group reshuffle after every race. In the next one, me and Ade will go  again in the yellow group. At the same time Thomas, Navin and Lorenzo, will go back to the orange.
I see that rule as an incentive for all the people to finish the race, and to have more competitive races. When 2 strong drivers like Thomas Muttram and Lorenzo had the chance to drive a green group car, if you go to check the result of Road America race, you will see that it wasn't a race... Just to make an example, I was 5th on the grid at 5 seconds by the lead... I'm not a champion, but 5 seconds seems too much to have a chance to compete with the first row drivers.
At the same time it's clear that between my 13th position of Road America, and the 13th position of Mike in Silverstone (counted as a DNF), there's a big difference, cause I took advantage of my 13th position choosing an Orange group car, while he has to stay in the yellow group for Silverstone 70 race. The difference is that Mike in Silverstone 70 race, demonstrated to be able to compete with a fast driver like Paulo (in a green group car), that usually don't make even a single training lap before a race. If Paulo would have trained a bit more, it's enough to look at his laptimes during the last laps of the race to understand that he would easily win the race with a better knowledge of car/track combo.
It's logical that we need to find the right balance for the championship rules to have more competitive races, but first of all we have to eliminate the chance for the fastest drivers to drive cars like the L72 if you don't want to kill the race before the start, and that seems to me the easiest way to do it. If you push esc during a race, or you disconnect for any reason and you don't see the checkered flag, your result will count as a DNF. Only in this way your average in placement would not be affected. Another idea could be calculate the DNF as a 10th position in the spreadsheet, so in this way, the driver affected by some connection troubles or involved in an accident, will see his average position getting better and he will have the chance to take an Orange group car for the next race to recover some points in the standings, and at the same time, there will be no chances to take a Green Group car unless you will make a really bad race in the next one.
In this way, just to make an example, the average positions after 4 races would have been:
1) Mike Miller 1+3+10(DNF)+3 = average 4.25 (Yellow)
2) Lorenzo Galluzzi 10(DNF)+1+2+12 = average 6.25 (Orange)
3) Thomas Muttram 10(DNF)+2+4+9 = average 6.25 (Orange)
4) Manteos 2+10(DNF)+1 = average 4.33 (Yellow)

This second solution increases a bit the average of the faster drivers, and decreases a bit that of the slower in case of DNF. At the same time if me and Mike for example will get DNF for the next race, we will stay again in the Yellow Group even with this second solution. I guess this method offers only a few more chances to recover some points in the standings if someone get a DNF in more than 2 races, but never giving the chance for a fast driver to take a green group car, that for me remains the target to have fun and close races.
I hope I was clear enough with my explanations... a bit too long I know :)
Cu on Thursday :)

Good explanation and good idea Manteos. The DNF rule went into effect at Silverstone for the very reason's Manteos outlined. Going forwared, I'd like to treat a DNF as was done at the 2 Silverstone events. If you do not finish, your results are not averaged into the car group spreadsheet.

It's nice to see everyone who started Silverstone 70 took the checkered flag.
The spreadsheet has been updated guys. Check your car selection group.

Ok guys, makes sense to me  :thumbup1:

Nice track, got some early praccy, its got a nice flow this place, though may suit the monster US cars more...will see! Will probably be in my shiny red Fezza that ive used all season.  :)

Anyone up for som practice at Kyalami tonight ?

I can't host myself ( dunno how to do that port fwd thing ) but maybe the practice server ia available or someome else can host a game.


Stig / Hotkeys

The practice server is running Hotkeys.

Ah!  But will it be tonight?  (That's our night not your night.)

There is probably an important round of the championship for the tricycle sim or steam driven tractor sim scheduled.  Or maybe just GTL.  ;D

The server is always available on Tuesday's (currently ;))

& I'll be there.

Did some practice on the server, but didn't meet anybody there  :-\
So, I'm curious to learn, what laptimes you guys are doing ?

Stig / Hotkeys
1.33.450

I've been on the server for the past hour but didn't see a living soul.

And I'm about a second slower than you. :(

think they were all on the 'race07' server with the caterhams and i was too busy enjoying myself with supercup Porsche  :)

1:34 race pace for me so far.

I haven't done any meaningful practice yet. I hope to make the race, but it is looking bleak at the moment. The motherboard in my primary computer decided to kick the bucket last night. It was on it's way out due to a flaky #1 PCI slot so I had a replacement on the way. Hopefully it gets here today or tomorrow.

What a stroke of good luck... The motherboard came in the mail today. I swapped it out and dropped in a Q9650 while I was under the hood and all is good now.

35.6 is about as much as you're going to get out of me in race trim.

Looks like I'll have to wait for Stig/Clive/MJ to all fall off to have any chance  :devil:

Not a problem.

I have had almost no time to practice and I'm unlikely to get any before the race.

I do like Kyalami though and it appears to be identical to the GPL track.  Apart from being wider past the pits.

I did a little practice with Navin tonight. 1:35.0 was all I could muster.

Gutted, This is one of my all time fave tracks from GPL, and I have had to work down at Hinckley
this week as my midlands colleague is having new knees fitted  :o  Legzy has kindly volunteered to
do the server duties, so all should be well. Am home for the next couple of weeks.

hoping i am okay to attend tonight. No problem with me being there but my tight bastich ISP have once again said i am over my d/ limit and have throttled back my connection until a new month starts tomorrow  >:( So if i am lagging badly, please let me know. Hope all okay.

Mark, you will only lagging, if you run in front of me.  ;D

Surprised to see ISP's throttling bandwidth due to download limits. I'd be up a creek without a paddle if my ISP did this. I use my connection for work moving databases around. My wife, 2 kids and sister in-law also use the connection quite a bit everyday. And I've got a 60mb/sec connection so I can move a lot of data in a short period of time. Guess I should thank my lucky stars.

So this is how people live in the developed world  :)

Help,
I get a permission denied when I want to download the track from humyo ?
Someone can place it somewhere else and send me a link ?

I uploaded the track here for you Sander:

http://www.mediafire.com/?z8nrlosaj55w8r2

or here:

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=23AMIU9U


BTW, just checked in on the server, and it seems the fuel consumption is set to X 1  

Is that coorect ?

Stig / Hotkeys

Thanx,

downloading it now....

That's how it was set, but just started the server for the race & it's correct at 2x fuel now :)

Hi all,

would like to join UKPnG Season 4 but I'm unable to connect to the server.

Never player GTR2 online before.

Are there any secrets concerning adapting the game for online racing?

I think I'll miss today's race but maybe the next time.

Kind regards

SpecialKS aka Eifelblitz

I think here there's only a track to download, no skins, etc. Look for downloadable files in the first post (Track: Kyalami70). Welcome. :)

Off course I did and no problems offline.

But I cannot connect to the server although I installed the GTR2 Lobby fix.

Is there a manual or so out there how to modofy the game or should I try it with a
complete fresh install?

Thanks for any hints.

I'm sorry, my man, I don't know enough about the things to instruct you or guess why that is. As Tom Cruise said in Days of Thunder: "I'm just a driver." :D
I'm sure one of the admins will tell you exactly what needs to be done. Don't give up and take note we race a lot of sims here. :)

I was going suprisingly well considering how much the 'normal' Z06 seems to struggle here. Got into a great dice when I was caught by a Cobra and a gaggle of Ferrari's and then I lost all network connections  :-\

Came out of the game and reset my network card and all is well again - hope my car didn't just plonk itself on the track as things were really quite busy when everything vanished at my end  :(

Sorry to anyone if they ran into a brick Corvette  :-[

Had some great racing for 10 laps and then wrecked the car - TWICE  :-[

CU nxt week

Stig / Hotkeys

Blew up a beautiful V12 Colombo (or was it Lampredi?) engine whilst wondering why I got a s/g penalty  :'(

Had a be-au-ti-ful fight with  Mutram, Sandor, MJ Hotkeys and Legzy. Man, that was good!

I think we would have done the old man proud fencing off the big blocks from the US  ;D

Thanks for the (real) racin' !!

whoohoo, cracking  result for me  8)

Made a booboo in qually by not switching to soft tyres and wondering why my car was slower with light fuel than full race !  :P But still blagged 7th or 8th on grid.  :)

Kept my nose clean in early laps and set about chasing Ade for first half of race whilst building a big gap to following pack. When Ade pitted i stayed out for a couple more laps, did a clean neat stop for just fuel as my tyres were in rude health and emerged 6th, which soon became 4th  :)  Then a couple of front runners made a hash of their stops and i capitalised finding myself soon in 1st place....woot!
But the flying Navin emerged only 12 secs behind me and i assume on fresh rubber? as he gained rapidly and closed me down with about 4-5 laps remaining. He breezed past in my tow down the straight and rightly won the race.

Finished 2nd in my lovely red Fezza that has served me well this season.   :clap:

Congrats to winner and Legzy too for his clever pody finish  :)

Have you enabled the terrain patch?
It tells you about it in the race announcement.  Called PGPatcher.exe and you will find it in your main PnG folder.

The race was rubbish from any angle.

I bogged down on the grid and went from 3rd to next to last before T1.

I was just getting my race back together when, whilst trying to sort my pit stop in XD, I selected either 1st or reverse as I passed under the foot bridge after the pits.  That threw away all that I had gained, and some!  I had intended to do a short first stint but an early stop would have meant that I would be lapped early on.

So I decided to go as long as I could and stopped with about thirteen to go.  The plan was for a minimum refuel and no tyres.  Shame I didn't notice the damage that I had suffered earlier.  I was at a stand still for about an hour and a half!

Then when I got under way, the darn thing tells me that I have a SnG for speeding in the pits, although it states clearly in the race announcement that this cannot happen!

Wish I hadn't wasted my time and to be honest, if it were not for the team thing I would give the rest of the season a miss.

Sorry I missed the race guys. My mother in law needed to go to the doctor and my wife got called to a meeting.
I was about a second off Navin's pace so it sounds like I may have been in the hunt for a pody.

SpecialKS. It sounds like you need to apply the Terrain Patch as Clive has suggested.

Some courses do inflict a speed limit in the pit lane. P&G does not, but occasionally, the course itself does. It is wise to test this before each race (offline race weekend). I do so and remember to warn everyone when before the quali session. This isn't something I normally test while deciding on tracks to be used for the race.

Replay & Results posted in the usual places



p.s. Mike, I've not started the PnG server back up as there is no next race announcement (so no link to the next track *hint* ;))
p.p.s. Congrats to Ade & Geoffers on their hard fought Lap records ;D

Above average performance by myself to get 3rd ;D from last after 2 laps ::)

Had some quality racing along the way, Alex being the standout rival. I was quicker, but he drove excellently & I just couldn't find a way past for ages... & ages! :laugh:

Well done to Navin, in a class of your own tonight... now get yourself in one of the slow cars >:( ;)

Somehow, I've snuck into 2nd in the hunt for the title :o. Further inspection shows that I'm theoretically ahead of Ade currently :P due to there being a drop score (at the end of the season), Lorenzo & Navin are extra close too... but we all need Mike to find another feeble excuse to miss one of the final three races :whistling: to stand a chance. With Clive, FMG & particularly MJ (despite his lucky 2nd tonight) some way behind :-*

Cheers chaps, good one.

p.s. Calling all 'Team Oldie' drivers, would be good to see you for the next couple of weeks to have a chance to snatch 2nd, off the soggy bottom team :shifty:

Just did some quick maths... MJ, welcome to the yellow group.
Sadly I just manage to cling on to my Orange status  :'(  ;D

There was some stiff competition for the Gp5 lap record, I can tell you!  :P

Once again I spoilt my race in the pits, 3 times! ::). Had a great run in 4th place early on after getting past the fast starting Ade. Was lapping as quick as the front 3, but not quick enough to catch them. Lorenzo spun off & PR pitted & I was up to second.

Then the PITSTOPS, arrrrghhh. My pit was near the pit entrance (I checked it in practice), so when I came in why did I think it was at the other end!!!!! Must be an age thing  ::) Of course I sailed straight past my pit & to make matters worse I got an S/G for speeding. So not only did I have to pit again for fuel & front tyres, but had to pit again for the penalty. After the stops I don't think I saw another car, except for those in the pits, & some how managed to finish 5th.

Congrats to Navin, Mark & Legzy.

That race went about as well as I could image even with the SnG because I too went too fast in the pits. The start was a little weird for me.. Not sure if anyone else noticed anything weird with their start but it seemed that I really bogged the start even with high revs and expected to be freight trained going into turn 1 but as soon as I looked behind I somehow had a decent gap from 2nd. I was very pleased to see that Paulo and Lorenzo were duking it out for 2nd but even with that they were no more than 2 seconds behind me so I was really worried that once one of them cleared the other they would run me down in a hurry. Lorenzo dropped of at some point to pit I guess and then Paulo was soon after. So I just tried to run some consistent laps till my stop. I stopped around lap 25-6. Fueled up and put soft tires on for the shorter 2nd run. Didn't realize that this track has some sort of speed limit so once exiting I got my SnG. Went around once and then hoped that 50 mph was slow enough in pit lane. Served my penalty and then exited 12 seconds down from Mark J. I had about 9 laps till the end so I just put my head down and put a string of fastest laps together to get to Mark J. Like Mark said I got a good exit on the last corner and was able to draft pass him which was a good thing because shortly after that my tires were knackered from pushing them so hard. It was too bad that so many had connection problems. Lorenzo being one of them I think as he just disappeared in front of me after he had pitted. Grats to Mark J for 2nd place  :) and probably being one of the few that didn't botch the pit stop. Also to Legzy for a solid 3rd place podium :) Now we all know to test the pits before the race I hope we can all avoid the kaos again ;) 
 
 Sorry Mike you didn't make the race but you are a good man for taking care of your family first ;)

 Also to SpecialKS it does sound like you need to enable the terrain patch. Once the new server is up check and see if that was it otherwise please let me know if I can help via PM here or at GTLDK. We have chat working well in GTLDK now so if you have any more issues we can get it sorted out asap ;D. Cheers

I'm disappointed guys, but I had a lot of troubles with my pc during these days... I guess it's an hardware problem, cause my pc don't want to start at all since 2 days...
I put my hard disk on the older pc and it's working, so the trouble is not the hd... 1 thing less to check...
I hope to join the next race, if my pc will let me do it... sorry Legzy, I leaved you alone  :'( :'( :D.
Grats to all finishers, I hope to be more useful in the next races for the Oldie.

P.S. Grats for the podium mate!!!

I just don't have the time to mess about like that Mike.  A few laps when I find out what track we are using and the next time I see it is usually the pre-race practice where I have to make up my mind what car I'm using and which tyres.  Looking for a pit lane speed limiter is not high on the list.

I think that your handicap system is very good but to be perfectly honest, the best "fun" that I get with PnG is from the Gamers-Crib races on Tuesdays.  Two short races in two different classes of car.  Not a pit stop in sight! 

An almost sure podium, to a last place in race and a final 6th place.
I was running less than 2 seconds behind Navin for almost 20 laps, untill the pit stop went rubbish.
The race announcement is clear about pit limiter!
I can't do all races, I have no time to practice any race at any SIM, therefore I have no good expectations to a nice final championship result. However, this race should be cancelled. However, I like the challenge to race in front, even if I don't fight for a tittle. That was my joy last night untill pitting.

Congrats for your pace Navin and to podium.

Again, Bill has done an excellent job when been lapped.

Cheers

I was having a good battle for the 2nd place....i was feeling good, but have been disqualyfied from the race because of the pit lane speed....i didn't have time to practice before the race and couldn't know that rule...

Indeed Lorenzo, you were pressuring me all over the place, was good fun trying to hold you and at the same time trying to catch Navin. It was a nice race untill the  :cursing: pit stop.

Thanks PR, it's the only racing maneuver I'm any good at - I get so much practice in all forms of racing.  :yes:  :wheelchair: :thumbup1:

And you had no notification after that you needed to serve a stop and go?

I dont see why people are blaiming Mike for their lack of preperation. How do you know where you need to stop? do you need to stop in a particular position? Many addon tracks have particular quirks when it comes to this. It doesnt take anytime, rather than hitting escape just carry on and drive into the pits.

The race announcement states there is no pit limit in these events. I rehearsed my entry at the end of quali and my limiter kicked in as I passed the green light and I entered the pit lane. This put a doubt in my mind, so I asked the question during the race countdown and was assured that there was no limit. Everyone would have seen that and so would not expect to have to use their pit limiters.

It's not a question of attaching blame as anyone can make oversights. I do think it ruined the race for many though (not for me...I managed to do that all by myself  :))

As for my race;
I was a couple of seconds quicker in the fezza but chose the L76 Roadster as I really enjoyed it at Road America. Had a good start but braked slightly later than planned into T1 and this combined with some early brakers meant I had to take to the grass to avoid contact, which put me last :( Enjoyed battling my way back, but made too many mistakes. My favourite one was doing a 360 off the inside of the kerbs which I perfected by about the 4th or 5th attempt, to the point where it was hardly costing me any time :) Had a nice little battle with Sandor who chased me down and managed to pass me into T1 on the final lap, which kept me awake till the end.

Congrats to pody and those who finished.

I remember it perfectly.

You are right GT, noone is blaming anyone. Period.
In my case, I just stated a humble opinion concerning the race and the pit stop limiter issue.

I didn't see any notification probably because i was concentrated driving at my best. My fault anyway.

I'm not blaiming Mike at all, that is your wrong reading

I knew where to stop because my box was at the end of the pit lane.

Unofficial LapChart (http://www.justanotherpage.nl/Srou/PnG/Kyl70/)

My apologies to Mark for wrongly accusing him of having a Ferrari battle for 10th position. It was Hotkeys in the red Maranello produce which I kept swapping positions with  ;)

well at least now i know why i normally lose so much time to others in the P&G pitstops ::) i have always stuck to autopit for P&G and so my limiter comes on automatically when i enter the pitlane for my stops whereas the rest of you have been steaming full speed into your pitboxes  :taz:
When i saw in the instructions about no pitlane speed limit i always assumed it was for general pitlane use like in praccy and qually, ie bombing out the pits, i didnt know you had disallowed it from the actual race pitstops.  :(

Seems this time around it worked in my favour as all you lot came in too hot for your own good...rough justice i'd say  ;D

Well I think that the whole thing sucks!!!

Can we be told in advance of any "joke" features for the Albi race?

It might be nice to have a complete list where to download the remaining tracks from!

I haven't tested the pit speed limits for the remaining tracks yet, but they are all found in the downloads page

• albi 1967
• albi 2006
• oulton park

All I can say about the pit speed limit is so very sorry to Goldtop :-[as I was the one that confirmed no limit. In my previous PnG races we didn't have that problem with the track imposing a limit. Live and learn ;)

I did a quick offline race test at Albi 1967 and there does seem to be a limit at this track. 35mph/56kph is the limit. That said, I did enter the pit lane at a higher speed than 35mph and do not get a black flag so enter at speed at your own risk. Exiting the pits will not let you go past the limit so np there. The pit lane speed limit area is a pretty straight forward deal with lights marking either end of the pit lane. Cheers :)

No problem Navin. Might be an idea (if we get the chance) to test with offline races as Navin has done and then feedback on each event page so we know where we stand.

Oh rugger, I think I must have pressed modify instead of quote. It's Sunday morning here y'know. GT  :laugh:

Finally got time to check the replay and wasn't very happy from what I saw.
Got a good start and made up a few places.  But in the first turn I was hit from aside and had a 360 on the grass.
Unfortunately nobody had the politeness to wait for me .....

The rest of the race was good fun . In the early laps I had my teammate just behind for a some laps untill I screwed up.
On the end I had fun chasing down Goldtop and just passed him when we started our final lap.

Great fun all the race.