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Endurance Championship Division 1 - Season 1, Round 10 at Monza

Date: Sunday 20th November

Practice 1: 8:30pm (30 mins)
Qual 2: 9:00pm (30 mins)
Warmup: 9:30pm (2 mins)
Race: 9:32pm (60 mins)

Cars allowed: Any. (Seat Toledo will not be eligable for points.)
Weather: Random (via dual-dice throw and sophisticated weather table ;))

Notes:
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(4) Please make sure you are fully aware of the UKGTR Rules (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?pid=7)

Need some praccy?

My serv is up now, will be up at some point on sunday afternoon too, I need the praccy.

Foz

Your server still up Fozz?

just killed it bout 15  ago, stuck it on again

Cheers.  8)

 ???Just had a Very sudden PC shutdown/restart (violent in a way)

GTR sometimes gives me those too, most wierd.

g3 with bimmer I think. see you gerald

Short & sweet. Out with less than one lap completed  :o

Doing quite nicely in my BMW until I got a tap and ended up in the wall with broken suspension :(

Pops

Sorry Pops, my fault, I was having all sorts of problems, did a drive thru, after my stop go for my start arse up, then spun it a few laps later. I'm not a water creature :-(

Id done loads of practice too!

Was really looking forward to this & feeling pretty confident but went out to warm up then next session came up so waited for race & it said I hadn't qualified!!

Any ideas anyone? or does this just happen sometimes?

Hope you all had a good one.

Cheers,

codsworth

Well I managed to blow ANOTHER engine  ;D, thought I'd try the Bi-Turbo for a laugh, done loads of praccy in it and got down 1:53/1:54 in dry race setup.
Arrived on track to find it p***ing down. Decided to stick with the beasty and quickly cobbled together a wet setup. Qualified with 2:00 which I thought was ok. Race started and I seemed to be doing ok, quite enjoying it really, except in the wet with that you need to be braking about 250yrds out, which made me a bit of a sitting duck for out braking. Anyway going along swimmingly down the straight when there was a pop and started slowing, checked rear view to find a flaming  (quite literaly) smoke trail. oh well lets hope for a dry race next week :)

"#$%&/()=   >:(

I would really need a pit adviser. I started with 100 L and when there was 30 min past I decided it wasn't gonna work. I pitted and somehow managed to make them change my tires (which were fine) and not pour any fuel. Then I had to save fuel, short shift etc. and was losing places (well, due to some mistakes, too). Three laps before the time ran out I decided it was time to pit if I'm gonna make it at all. I pitted and just when I crossed the line the next time it was finished - I would have enough fuel for that! I would have finished before Rich_A and now I was behind Matjaz. What a sorry bum I am!  :'(

Real shame that JonM didn't make it, sort of anti-climax to the championship which with my comfortable 3rd place tonight sees me take the championship. Was looking forward to the duel.

Was a bit dissapointed that it rained again at Monza, seems to be our most rained upon track in UKGTR, although I guess that means it's the track we've most practiced in the wet too. No incidents the whole race, just cruised home to 3rd. Well done to everyone that finished, wet weather racing is quite a skill. Backmarkers were exceedingly generous as usual so thanks there.

Congratulations to Matjaz on the NGT championship win and Greg on the G3 Championship.

Have to work it out but I think the Ze Insane Penguins have won the GT team championship and dERacing the NGT! Well done to all, great stuff alround.

Reasonably steady race for me, car only ever span at the most slowest speed and minimum revs, usually in the first two chicanes...bizarre, like it just loses all grip ??? (would that be a coast/power setting??)

Brought it home 3rd in NGT i think which i'm pleased with considering the mighty Matjas was one of the two in front.
Don1 caught me so fast on the straight that i moved out the way thinking it was a lapping GT car :o, i was obviously running too much wing?...i had 2 front, 8 rear? Couldnt stay with him and coasted to 3rd on worn tyres.
Was gutted it was wet as i did a 1:52.8 in dry spec praccy and had a fast steady race pace.
That was only my second ever wet race...they are bloody hard work for an hour :P

Well done to Leuven and Matjas on their wins....they earnt it in those conditions 8)

Fairly lonley race in the Z3 for me, just couldnt close the gap on Jon who always remained 15-20 secs ahead, grats on another win mate and grats to Shark ans Maj for their champ wins.
I really hope it dosnt rain next week for the div2 final race.

I'd say so yes. In the dry i run 1 and 4 on the Lambo in GT would be something similar in an NGT.
In the rain I upped my wing to 1 and 7 on the Lambo.

Even in the wet, you need straight line speed at Monza to compete.  8)

Pray to the god of weather (Picnic and his trusty dice), or possibly a back hander might sway it.  ;) ;)

Yep, thanks Shark, thought so....showed my newbie in-experience again ::)   I was running 1 & 6 in dry setup but presumed i'd need extra downforce to keep it on the track through the sweeping bends like Parabolica. I've got no wet setups or much experience of wet racing...yet!
Never mind, i'm happy with the result. :)

I'm very sorry I couldn’t make it in time for race, but my little son took me all the evening till he went to bed.

Congrats to the winners and to you Shark for the championship victory

EDIT: sorry for long story   ::):D

 I joined the server, no-one else in there but it said something like 3/24 in lobby.

I noticed it said WET/RAIN and other horrible words :D, so I Exited thinking I joined the wrong server only to re-join to the same conditions :( ,
F#@~ not a wet race.  >:(

Filled it up with Fuel and planned to put about 10 laps worth in during the pit stop as backup, only to forget to put any in ::)

Was Just thinking about how long I should stay out for............Only for me to spin :(

luckily I kept a steady gap from Shark and eventualy pitted on the same lap, After being persuaded by a little slide I had at Parabolica  :o

Came out (of pits :P) in 3rd/4th,climbed to 2nd and by the time Id done a few laps I was Praying to the gods that whoever was in front was NOT on a 0 stopper.

Turned out to be the case of another of Blaz's famous 1 stints :P. Must have been really tough on the same set of tyres. 8)

Closed the gap on 1st place (Blaz) and started trying to work out how much fuel I was gonna need. (started using brain again)...............yes you guessed it, another spin :O

Realised Id need about 13 Ltrs of fuel and I only had about 9, so thought sod it, try and catch and pass Blaz then short shift and leave it in a higher gear to save as much fuel as possible.

Got passed Blaz, started my strategy, ran wide at the second Lesmo for trying too hard to save fuel, ended up with a mirrior full of Blza but luckily stayed just infront of him by going defensive. Nice driving Blaz :)

Went to the end of the lap with no chance of doing another 3 (based on time left) had enough to do 2 laps with very conservative driving but there was over 4 minutes left :O.
Crossed Finich line. Race has finished. :D

That was tough.........well done guys!

Just before joining for this rainy race I've finished another Monza race with a Porsche GT2 so drivinig in the rain felt a bit similiar to driving that strange GT car. I needed a few laps to find my braking zones and from then on it felt pretty good. For the race I took soft wets and enough fuel for 28 laps so no stops for me. Start was calm, no preassure from behind. Just when I thought this went very smooth I saw a glimpse of red car totaly out of control in my rear mirror. I'm not sure what happened but if I would have been a second slower turning to that first chicane I would have received a direct hit from that red torpedo.

After that I managed to find my rhythm and car felt better from lap to lap as I got used to wet condition. I even did my qualifying time in the race which felt satisfying. GT guys started to pit and there I was in 4th position because I stayed out on the track. Soon I was cought by two GT cars and gave room so I was back to 6th but then Truetom went into the pits again so I regained 5th position.

For the last 5 laps tyres were begining to go away and I had to be extra carefull not to lose it a couple of times. Still I had no warning for worn tyres so I guess they were still in decent shape after 28 laps of racing.

I'm very happy to win the championship, especially the team championship with only 1 car competing.
I would like to thank everyone who managed to put this league together and giving us a chance to have some nice and fun Sunday racing. Special thanks goes to all the drivers for fairness and great spirit throughout the season. It was a privilage to race with you and I hope we'll meet again on track some other time.

Best wishes from Slovenia !

This game is just a comedy of errors (BUGS). Qualled less than a second behind Matj and had a good race set up. Got on grid, clicked into gear, hit accelerator....nothing, steering fin, all the buttons work but pedals sem to have been left in the pits. Whens GTR2 released?

I thought that was rather considerate at the time the way you moved over. I was on new rubber and able to accelerate out of the Parabolicia and only had a rear wing of 5.
I also had the problem of spins at low speed!
Enjoyed the race especially the novelty of rain.
Don.

One other thing I forgot to mention: when Fozzmeister spun in Parabolica there were two GTs relatively close behind him. As soon as he saw he's not gonna make it, he hit Escape. That was really more than considerate as probably there would be a crash. Thank you, Fozz !  :)

Same with others who were lapped or spun, they were all really fair and careful. Good job, guys!  :)

In the Season2 (will there be GTR Season2 at all?) I plan to drive an NGT and I hope I will play that role as good as you guys were. Cheers!

Sorry about the wet weather  :D

Replay and provisional results now available.

Congratulations to everybody who took part in D1 Endurance this season and especially to those who've won their classes  ;D

Yes.

As christmas is coming up it's likely to be sometime in the new year.

Had clean nonstop race.
Was my 1st wet race.
I was doing 1.55(4) hole race. Fuel and tires werent problematic. Tires were OK to the finnish. Becouse it was last 60 min race i had to do my last nonstoper.
Bravo Leuven and Matjaz, u had very good race.
Thx for good season.

Congratulations on Shark & Matjas for wining the GT & NGT championships.  8)

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Another reminder - please do not discuss race incidents in public. This is clearly covered in the rules. There is a moderation process for reporting incidents, please use it.

Thanks Greg  ;D managed to hang onto a 911 early on which i think towed me away abit.Was glad to see the flag as my tyres were cooked and you were closing at the end
Grats to Shark and Mats on there titles
and you Greg  ;D

Many congrats on the titles guys  :)

Hi Guys I cobbled a wet setup for the bimmer(hard wets to hard lol) Though I was going to be ok but it just slid off on parabolicker and I got a puncture. Then a really strange thing at one of the chicanes a car was blocking the road I took avoiding action was gived a stop go for cutting the track. When I came in I got an extra pit stop not a stop and go . Lost interest after that.cheers gerald

Grats on the championship shark  8)  8)  8) And Matjaz  8)  8)  8)
Wanted to upgrade my internet connection but my isp turned it off instead and then blamed bt evertime I phoned. Wouldn't have made the race anyway because I broke down coming back from me old man's in wales, oh how I wish I was in the AA now. I expected to be anxious behind the wheel on that sunday, just not behind the wheel of a ford escort  :D  See you all on the track soon  ;D

I absolutely hate this no-cutting stuff. Sure for public servers, but ones like ours, we have moderation of races etc, its much more likely to get unfair penalty than rip someone off by crashing into them or using a shortcut to gain time.

Here, here Fozz, having been on the receiving end of a couple of those i completely agree

I'm with you guys, nothing more annoying than taking avoiding action and getting penalised for it. If anything it is even more stringent in GTL so I say have it on for quali but off for race please.

Its far worse in GTL. I took too much curb (my inside wheen was still in tho) and got a penalty, so I gave up.

Can these things be disabled? Would UKGTR/L consider it if they could?

One that gets me is Hockenheim and the last 2 right handers in GTL. If you drift too wide, i.e. take a longer and thus inefficient line you get warned :(

Not sure if it can be disabled, if it could we would have to consider very carefully the cutting of corners issues. Currently only the reported race incidents are examained and not every lap of every car, thus cheating is possible if no one reports it. There are places where this is important IMHO, Bus Stop at Spa for intance.

I certainly hear you Picnic, if it were possible it'd certainly need a lot of thinking about.

How many times do you have to cut the track before the game gives you a penalty?

3 I think.

It'd be nice if it could flag a racer as needing investigation, maybe even flag times when they were out of track. But I'm into dream territory again...

Fozz

It appears to me the game penalises you for getting between 2 points too quickly. It could forget any incident where the overal lap time is not too quick and where no places have been gained during the incident that weren't given back after say 2 or 3 more corners (count a complex as 1 corner) The real downer is when you mess up, go off, lose a shed load of time getting out of the kitty litter but are still liable for a penalty.

But again I suspect this is too involved. Maybe GTR3 ;)

I have had stop/go penalty on penultimate lap in the cup races but thought thats OK I will pit for penalty, cross finishing line, and all will be fine.  I know shuey did this a while ago but I got dq'd (fuming after 7 bloody laps around Spa in Cobra). Have rules been changed now?

Schuey shouldn't have done that, full stop.  He crossed the line before actually stopping in the pits but for some reason they allowed it.  I expect Mr. Ecclestone had a quiet word with the stewards ;)

AFAIK now, if you get a penalty in the last 3 laps, you can either stop before the end or get a fixed time added to your overall race time.  (though that may be solely for F1)

I've done this in GTR (I think it was a cup race), there's no penalty, I finished in the position I should have, but I don't know if it added time on.

I think the head race organiser lost his job for the Schuey thing actually. You can bet Ferrari were just playing by the rules, its the person who drew up the rules who should get sacked, but that was probably Max.  ::)

you can cut the track to take avoiding action just make sure you do it slower than you would have got round on the track
no warning then  ;)

as far as I can figure, keeping the brakes applied during the 'short-cut' avoids a penalty too.
i've never got such a penalty  ;)