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Title: UKPnG Season 4 Then and Now - Albi (1959-80) - Nov 18
Post by: Mike Miller on November 12, 2010, 04:42:17 PM +0000
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All members welcome

Practice 1: 19:20 (60 mins)
Qual 2: 20:20 (12 mins)
Race: 20:32 (42 laps)

Cars allowed: Refer to this  spreadsheet (http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0AgyClStz4uopdGdEb0FEWmhGMmkzNEZlZmYtVDBJblE&hl=en&output=html). Your car choice is limited to your average finish position (trimean).

Drivers with an average finish of 1 - 5.99 are restricted to cars in the Yellow group.
Drivers with an average finish of 6 - 10.99 are restricted to cars in the Yellow and Orange groups.
Drivers with an average finish of 11+ may drive any car from any group.
If your name is not on the list (first time drivers) you are restricted to cars in the Yellow group.

Yellow (average finish 1+)
  • Chevrolet Corvette L76 Roadster
  • Chevrolet Corvette Z06 Coupe (excluding white #5)
  • Ford Falcon Weslake
  • Ford Mustang Trans-Am

Orange (average finish 6+)
  • Ford Falcon Mann
  • Ferrari 275 GTB/C (excluding Speciale)
  • Shelby GT350R SCCA
  • Chevrolet Corvette Z06 Coupe (white #5)
  • Ford Mustang AATC Gr5 #01

Green (average finish 11+)
  • Shelby Cobra 289 Roadster
  • Jaguar E-Type Lightweight (all)
  • Shelby GT350R CASC
  • Chevrolet Corvette L72


Track: Albi 1967 (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3356.msg54521#post_albi67) (special P&G version)
Time of Day Setting: 15:00
Weather: Dry
Start: Standing

Tyre wear: 1X
Fuel consumption: 2X
Pit-stops: At least 1 stop is required taking on at least 1 litre of fuel and/or changing 2 tires. You cannot take a mandatory stop at the end of the pace lap, or with less than 1 lap to go.

Server: simracing.org.uk - P&G
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Championship standings (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=282&theme=34)

Notes:
(1) It's best if all drivers can make sure they are connected before the Qualifying session as drivers on track during qualifying will not see cars that join after they are on track until they go back to the garage.
(2) Please make sure you are fully aware of the SimRacing.org.uk Rules (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?pid=7) especially the rules about in-game chat messages.
(3) You will need to install Power and Glory v2 from here (http://www.gtlw.co.uk/), 2.1 patch from here (http://www.gtlw.co.uk/) and enable terrain patch.
(4) Drivers are reminded that they must select ISDN as their bandwidth, otherwise the stability of every-one's connection will be reduced.
(5) P&G has no 'Pit Speed Limiter' function. You may go as fast as you like in the pits, but please exercise caution. Penalties will be handed out for causing contact in the pit lane. Use your best judgement when making your pitstop during the race.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 4 Then and Now - Albi (1959-80) - Nov 18
Post by: Mike Miller on November 12, 2010, 04:46:50 PM +0000
Look for the server name under "simracing.org.uk - P&G". The track may be a bit hard to find offline. Look for it as P&G_albi67.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 4 Then and Now - Albi (1959-80) - Nov 18
Post by: Navin R Johnson on November 14, 2010, 06:10:54 AM +0000
I did a quick offline race test at Albi 1967 and there does seem to be a limit at this track. 35mph/56kph is the limit. That said, I did enter the pit lane at a higher speed than 35mph and do not get a black flag so enter at speed at your own risk. Exiting the pits will not let you go past the limit so np there. The pit lane speed limit area is a pretty straight forward deal with lights marking either end of the pit lane. Cheers :)


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 4 Then and Now - Albi (1959-80) - Nov 18
Post by: SpecialKS on November 16, 2010, 08:44:48 PM +0000
Finally I'm online with P & G.

Thanks Navin.

Hope to join for thursdays event.

Btw: are there any online-setups out there?


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 4 Then and Now - Albi (1959-80) - Nov 18
Post by: Mike Miller on November 16, 2010, 11:34:44 PM +0000
Btw: are there any online-setups out there?

I'd be happy to share what I have SpecialKS. I tend to setup the car on the loose side. What car are you interested in?


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 4 Then and Now - Albi (1959-80) - Nov 18
Post by: Navin R Johnson on November 17, 2010, 12:16:02 AM +0000
Finally I'm online with P & G.

Thanks Navin.

Hope to join for thursdays event.

Btw: are there any online-setups out there?

Excellent!!!  ;D As far as setups I've just been winging it so far. Mostly just small tweaks to stock setups so far. But like Mike I'll always be happy to share what I have so far. I think you will have to choose from the yellow group of the cars for your first race. I would recommend the ZO6 Vette or the Falcon Weslake. I have a decent setup for the Vette but nothing for the Falcon as of yet. I'll upload my Vette setup for you. Look for "Navin Corvette ZO6".. Of if you have a problem finding it I can can send you one via e-mail(edit..  you have no e-mail listed in your profile summary..)

  I'm thinking about trying the Falcon for this race so I would love to try your set Mike ;). Do you have one uploaded?


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 4 Then and Now - Albi (1959-80) - Nov 18
Post by: Manteos on November 17, 2010, 11:54:53 AM +0000
Seems that my pc is fully recovered from its sickness :). Yesterday I tried it on a GC races, and it worked without any trouble.

I will be online tonight for some test in Albi. I hope to find someone on the server. Bye guys :)


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 4 Then and Now - Albi (1959-80) - Nov 18
Post by: Clive Loynes on November 17, 2010, 02:23:57 PM +0000
There was definitely a problem with your pc last night!

You were too quick!!!!


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 4 Then and Now - Albi (1959-80) - Nov 18
Post by: Mike Miller on November 17, 2010, 02:37:55 PM +0000
Great to hear you're back in form Manteos!

I created a setup folder on Humyo for you guys. There are a bunch of setups in there.
http://www.humyo.com/FSlWqtt/Setups/?a=oYct0BvPY54


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 4 Then and Now - Albi (1959-80) - Nov 18
Post by: SpecialKS on November 17, 2010, 07:09:11 PM +0000
Thank you Mike.
Not yet decided which I'll take. Maybe the Falcon or the Mustang. But I'll also give a try to the Vette
today.

Navin: I'll add an email-address to my profile. Thank you too for your kind offer.


Background of my question was, whether there does exist an online database for GTR2 / P&G
setups like for GTL (I never player GTR2/P&G online).



Title: Re: UKPnG Season 4 Then and Now - Albi (1959-80) - Nov 18
Post by: Ade on November 17, 2010, 07:16:08 PM +0000
SpecialKS... you should see a SRouk P&G folder at the top of the online list, I've uploaded a few in there.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 4 Then and Now - Albi (1959-80) - Nov 18
Post by: SpecialKS on November 17, 2010, 08:23:44 PM +0000
Thanks. Server is not online at the moment so I cannot check.


What I meant:

is there a thing like this for GTR2/P&G

https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=8645.msg153448#msg153448

?


Ade - you posted this one some time ago, but the filefront link is dead:

https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=8233.0

I think that's what you are referring to


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 4 Then and Now - Albi (1959-80) - Nov 18
Post by: Ade on November 17, 2010, 09:17:42 PM +0000
This should be what your after http://www.filefront.com/17526866/LOCAL_IP_FTP.rar just unzip it and put it in your  P@G install.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 4 Then and Now - Albi (1959-80) - Nov 18
Post by: Legzy on November 17, 2010, 09:20:55 PM +0000
Thanks. Server is not online at the moment so I cannot check.
The server is only ever unavailable when there is a race on (lasts about 7:30pm till 10pm usually).
Mon = GTL
Wed = Race'07
Thu = PnG
Sun = GTR2


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 4 Then and Now - Albi (1959-80) - Nov 18
Post by: Legzy on November 17, 2010, 09:35:21 PM +0000
I will be online tonight for some test in Albi. I hope to find someone on the server. Bye guys :)
I'll be on there shortly, see you there :)


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 4 Then and Now - Albi (1959-80) - Nov 18
Post by: Mark J on November 17, 2010, 10:22:28 PM +0000
will jump on in about 10mins or so, havent done a lap at Albi before  :o


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 4 Then and Now - Albi (1959-80) - Nov 18
Post by: Legzy on November 17, 2010, 10:35:32 PM +0000
will jump on in about 10mins or so, havent done a lap at Albi before  :o
Sorry MJ, calling time for tonight after best part of an hour. You'll learn the track after about two laps, quite straight forward. Might take a bit longer to get your times down though :-\

I've done 1:25.7 in race trim so far... but you should know that I'll make 20secs+ on you in the pitstops, so you need to be doing 25.1's to have a chance  :-*


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 4 Then and Now - Albi (1959-80) - Nov 18
Post by: phspok on November 17, 2010, 10:52:43 PM +0000
Cool little track, just enough turns to make the racing interesting, without too much learning to be done
(You got yer ears on Clive?)  :) into the low 24's with the Aussie Mustang, Stig getting into high 23's in Ferri !
Be interesting to see what aliens manage.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 4 Then and Now - Albi (1959-80) - Nov 18
Post by: Geoffers on November 17, 2010, 10:57:54 PM +0000
I've got a problem with the track, it causes P&G to crash on start up. If I remove it, P&G runs OK. I've tried the download from here & also the download from NoGrip and the same thing happens with both. Any ideas?


Edit: OK solved it, I had the non P&G version of the track installed as well & it was causing a clash!


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 4 Then and Now - Albi (1959-80) - Nov 18
Post by: Clive Loynes on November 17, 2010, 11:15:45 PM +0000
Cool little track, just enough turns to make the racing interesting, without too much learning to be done
(You got yer ears on Clive?)  :) into the low 24's with the Aussie Mustang, Stig getting into high 23's in Ferri !
Be interesting to see what aliens manage.

24.2 here in the z06 but the XD tyre display is like a rainbow.

Any sign of a pit lane speed trap? Or perhaps we have to weave down the pit lane avoiding stray mechanics and people on bikes?

Did half a dozen laps tonight, off-line.  It's a track that I liked in GPL and it feels much the same in PnG.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 4 Then and Now - Albi (1959-80) - Nov 18
Post by: Mark J on November 17, 2010, 11:18:11 PM +0000
server was off when i tried to go online  ???

did some offline but only handful as dog tired. Way off the pace of the rest of you at present. 1:27.0 in the L76 but suspect i am quicker in a mustang from quick go of one lap. Hope i can get some praccy in before the race tomorrow eve but working late so might not  :(


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 4 Then and Now - Albi (1959-80) - Nov 18
Post by: Manteos on November 18, 2010, 01:02:31 AM +0000
After some laps on the Z06 (non white) I'm on the 24 high with full tank. When the car starts to be a bit more light I can manage some 24 mid-low at the end of the stint I guess.
As usual it's probably not needed changing the tyres, but I guess that the pit stop with such a narrow pit lane, will be a good challenge if there are some cars in it.

Didn't practiced in quali fuel, so we will see tomorrow what I will able to do. Cu for the race. Bye bye :)


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 4 Then and Now - Albi (1959-80) - Nov 18
Post by: Navin R Johnson on November 18, 2010, 01:16:13 AM +0000
Great to hear you're back in form Manteos!

I created a setup folder on Humyo for you guys. There are a bunch of setups in there.
http://www.humyo.com/FSlWqtt/Setups/?a=oYct0BvPY54


Thank you Mike  ;)  I appreciate it  ;D


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 4 Then and Now - Albi (1959-80) - Nov 18
Post by: Mike Miller on November 18, 2010, 07:43:23 PM +0000
There is a pit speed limit tonight guys. 36 mph is max speed.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 4 Then and Now - Albi (1959-80) - Nov 18
Post by: Legzy on November 18, 2010, 07:50:41 PM +0000
There is a pit speed limit tonight guys. 36 mph is max speed.
Yeah, just tested myself in an offline race (read = 1 lap & pit) entered pits as quick as possible... it does force a limit on you (35mph) but I was above that at entry & so it rightly awarded me a stop n go for speeding ;D

p.s. it's quite hard to get above 60mph by pit entry following the last bend anyway


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 4 Then and Now - Albi (1959-80) - Nov 18
Post by: API on November 18, 2010, 08:53:32 PM +0000
I'm so sorry about ruining your race, Geoffers. :( I completely missed my brake mark. Sorry. :-[

I'll submit an incident report as the race ends.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 4 Then and Now - Albi (1959-80) - Nov 18
Post by: Mark J on November 18, 2010, 09:24:31 PM +0000
Pants event for me. Had no time for practise before the event, only having done about 6 laps prior to tonights sessions.

Tried taking the Mustang but dont enjoy driving any of the cars in my alloted group and dont feel there is a 'driveable/race-able' one for mortals like myself who manage to get a couple of good results to get promoted.  :( Part of the allure of this season for me was being able to take a regular car i enjoyed driving rather than being forced into one i dont. This race quickly turned into a slow-hotlapping contest by myself as i couldnt race anyone, just haul the barge around the track for lap after lap. So i parked up and left the circuit as couldnt face another 30laps of the same.  :P

Nice track and sure the rest of you had some fun  :)


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 4 Then and Now - Albi (1959-80) - Nov 18
Post by: Hotkeys on November 18, 2010, 09:28:43 PM +0000
Had good fun chasing Mike and some others, but as usual ..... I lost my focus, damaged the car, tried to make it to end finish line loosing 3-4 sec a lap, only to find out that the engine didin't last till the end  :'(

Hope to CU all next week

Stig / Hotkeys


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 4 Then and Now - Albi (1959-80) - Nov 18
Post by: phspok on November 18, 2010, 10:29:10 PM +0000
Comedy of errors for me, might have been on for a pod, or top 6 at least, was flying 1st couple of laps, passed
people, was catching Manteos when I got a pit in blue light! I had forgotten to fill up after qual... :taz:

Took my extra stop, and then set about trying to unlap myself, was doing ok until I got a wheel up the inside
of the fast right onto the straight and rolled..... then was doing ok (again) and was watching gaps in display
forgot to brake for next to last and smacked into the wall big stylie... bent steering a bit, but was drivable
finally caught Alex, might have caught Navin if I hadn't had offs. ah well was fun race all the same.
Results delayed because EifelBlitz was know to the database as "SpecialKS" a lightweight breakfast cereal?
Anyway, that's what it decided to call you  :)

EDIT: Not sure which of the many forums to post this in so....
Had trouble inporting results txt files. The file was correct on the server, but when trying to upload from
within the .zip on replay server it complained about the name not matching. I copied the files manually
to my PC and imported them from there, but may be a naming issue? too long now it's simracing.org etc etc?


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 4 Then and Now - Albi (1959-80) - Nov 18
Post by: Navin R Johnson on November 18, 2010, 11:03:08 PM +0000
What a great little track this was. Lots of fun :D. Had a very good start and then had a tons of fun battling with Mike. We were so close in speed we couldn't shake each other. Interesting battle as Mike was better in some areas and I in others. We kept slowing each other down by getting side by side and raced very hard but had no contact at all ;D. Then I got to my pit stall and totally screwed up by accidentally hitting the Enter key before I set my fuel load :-[. Lucky I had pitting with 1 lap left in the tank so i was able to go around again and get fueled up. I came out in 10th place and was well aware that a 9th place finish would still allow me back into the Orange Group of cars so that was my goal. It came to me easy as an unlucky Hotkeys seemed to have an engine blow up :(. After that I just cruised the rest of the way. Grats to Manteos for his well deserved 1st place. Also grats to Mike for 2nd and Clive for a solid 3rd place podium. Great fun fellas ;D.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 4 Then and Now - Albi (1959-80) - Nov 18
Post by: Geoffers on November 18, 2010, 11:06:57 PM +0000
I'm so sorry about ruining your race, Geoffers. :( I completely missed my brake mark. Sorry. :-[

No worries API, happens to us all.

Actually had quite a good race, after recovering from the 1st lap incident I had a good little battle with Bill until he ran wide at the final turn. Chased Ade for a few laps then blasted past on the straight, then caught Legzy & did the same. After the pitstops (I found my pitcrew this week ::)) I had a lonelyish race but enjoyed hurling the Mustang around & came home 6th.

Had one amusing incident when Eifelblitz spun into the bank at T3, his car looked like it had been shot out of a catapult as it hit the bank & flew over the track.  :D


Congrats to the podium.
Cya all at err.... Albi.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 4 Then and Now - Albi (1959-80) - Nov 18
Post by: Sandor M on November 19, 2010, 08:38:31 AM +0000
This was a typical before and after the pitstop race for me.

Before pitstop:
Nice race with close action all the time. Had Alex just behind /in front of me for many laps.
A big handicap was Hotkeys with his fierce smoking Ferrari just in front of us making it difficult to see anything  ;D

pitstop:
A typical Ferrari pitstop.
You stop and only ask for fuel. But they know better and decide to give you new tyres and a complete polish and wax of the car.....
Took me about 30 secs extra but the car looked as new.

After pitstop:
Alex was already gone in the distance and Bill was 30 secs behind me.
Had a very lonely second half and that forced me in some minor offs .

Unfortunately I have to miss the next race so no change for revenge.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 4 Then and Now - Albi (1959-80) - Nov 18
Post by: FullMetalGasket on November 19, 2010, 09:54:39 AM +0000
It's not just the Ferrari mechanics Sandor - My Shelby pit crew did the same despite my having fitted 'hards' to the front and 'very hards' to the rear purely to avoid the dreaded tyre change  ::)

Add to that the fact I accidentally disabled my cockpit guages at the end of quallifying so I thought I'd stalled the car before racestart - Of course in my attempts to re-start I ended up turning the engine off just as the red lights came on  :censored:
Luckilly most of the field avoided my stationary tank, so I eventually pulled away in dead last - only to then spin in turn 3 just as I'd found the button to make my dials work again  :'(

By the time I reached double droit I could only see one car infront of me I was so far back - really hope my race next week goes better!

Sorry to (Bill I think) in the L72 who I rear ended while lapping - I'm sure I saw your brake lights come on just as I floored it to turn inside you on the exit of T1. Had no time to brake and couldn't avoid you as I was now over halfway across you towards the infield  :( Hope I didn't ruin your race.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 4 Then and Now - Albi (1959-80) - Nov 18
Post by: BillThomas on November 19, 2010, 11:08:56 AM +0000
Pleased I finished last night - wasn't feeling too well earlier in the week, hence no show Monday and Wednesday.  Luckily I'd got the car setup over the weekend - having tested a number of cars first.  Managed to get some track time during the morning including a quick race to check out pit stops.  Apologies to the red Ferrari (?) I bumped in the pits - I thought I was well over to the Armco.

Set a new PB in practice but couldn't match it in qualifying.  Made a very good start - all those Yank Tank cu ins.  Kept out of trouble in the early laps and saw Geoffers behind me so I put the hammer down and went, luckily although I was slower in the tight corners I was able to get power down early and had good drive through the faster ones.  I braked later, used more throttle through the turns and accelerated earlier, until the inevitable happened and I over did it at the end of lap 8( set a new PB during those laps, breaking into the 1:25s.)  Did a repeat out of the last left hander, loosing a further place, took me a few laps to settle down again.  Thanks FullMetalGasket but I'd already spoilt the race myself by then, clipping the inside verge and spinning - haven't got use to that with P&G yet.  Got punted off again entering the main straight without causing any more damage.  Mark gave me some passing practice, quite chuffed to be able to drive around the outside of that fast right hander onto the back straight, also into and out of the turn at the end of the straight.  Pitted and just took on fuel - I have set up for a singe pit stop with a specified fuel load and only need to hit return, NOT actual do it with the direction key.

The drive after my pit stop was uneventful  apart from being spun off backwards and down a short steep bank.  Couldn't get the car up over the "lip" to get onto the track but had enough room to reverse onto the Armco and run parallel to the track and rejoin further down.  Feeling of D'ja view - in a UKGTL race a few weeks ago I overdid it and slid off sideways parking the car into a slot with about a foot clearance trapping me and causing me to quit.  Luckily the Yank Tanks are a bit more robust than BMW 320 Grp 5s.



Title: Re: UKPnG Season 4 Then and Now - Albi (1959-80) - Nov 18
Post by: Clive Loynes on November 19, 2010, 12:24:57 PM +0000
A reasonable race that, despite the novelty pit speed limit and the fact that T1 was blind for a good deal of the race.

I started 5th on the grid and made a good getaway, to wedge my Ferrari between the two Mustangs of Lorenzo and Geoffers, API’s Ferrari having vacated the middle slot.  After the initial gain, the Mustangs then got into their stride and were back past both me and API by T1.

This left me fighting Navin in his Vette throughout T1 and since I was on the inside I prevailed. ;D

When we hit the straight I was able to slipstream and pass API well before the end of the straight but as I was braking for the Double Wasname I could see API steaming up the inside.  I stayed wide and let him hit Geoffers instead of me.  :sweatdrop:

That compromised my corner and I was then promptly mugged by both Manteos and Navin.  It also let Matt have a run at me into the following lefthander.

So I was back to fifth!

After a few laps, Matt went to the pits and after that I was able to chase down and pass Navin for third.

This left Navin and Mike fighting it out behind me and Manteos in front, with Lorenzo way off in the lead.

I found that I was catching Manteos and pulling away from Navin/Mike or was it Mike/Navin?  Anyway, I caught Manteos and actually passed him at one point, although he came straight back past me again.

I was happy following Manteos for a while but then we entered into the difficult phase of the race.  I really shouldn’t try to do mental arithmetic whilst driving.  I had originally intended to do an early stop to find some empty track for serious and consistent lapping but I realised that I was in the ideal place for that already.

So I changed strategy.  My lap times suffered as I tried to take 28 from 42 with any certainty and then to multiply the result by five.

Then I added in about ten litres for luck.  My lap times also suffered as I attempted to change the amount of fuel that would be put in.

My pit stop was about 33 seconds, apparently, but Mike just nipped past me as I emerged.  A lap down, Stig was just ahead of Mike, laying down enough smoke to hide a battleship!  It was difficult to see where the track was at times.  A pit stop might have been a good idea Stig.

I was still third because Lorenzo had obviously changed everything and gone for the full valet as well.  He started off about 18seconds behind me but was closing fast.  

It looked as though I was going to make it but then I started to push, trying to close on Mike.  I made a couple of errors with my knackered tyres and Lorenzo was right with me and Mike was out of reach.

I didn’t put up much resistance to Lorenzo, my teamie, and so I was relegated to fourth.  Sadly for Lorenzo, he encountered a back marker two corners from home and I was able to reclaim third.

Grats to Manteos and Mike and tough luck Lorenzo.

Nice circuit.




Title: Re: UKPnG Season 4 Then and Now - Albi (1959-80) - Nov 18
Post by: Lorenzo Galluzzi on November 19, 2010, 01:16:29 PM +0000
Not happy at all about the race....
The car was fantastic, belanced, fast in the straights, and didn't deteriorate the tyres that much....apart the front ones, but i decided to change all the 4 tires in the pit stop and destroyed my race.....i think i need more experience to be competitive for the win in this league...

Cheers

Lorenzo


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 4 Then and Now - Albi (1959-80) - Nov 18
Post by: Hotkeys on November 19, 2010, 03:26:39 PM +0000
Apologies to the red Ferrari (?) I bumped in the pits - I thought I was well over to the Armco.

No harm done mate, my merchanics all wear safety-shoes :- ))

A lap down, Stig was just ahead of Mike, laying down enough smoke to hide a battleship!  It was difficult to see where the track was at times.  A pit stop might have been a good idea Stig.

Oh, but that wouldn't have made any difference Clive, you see my Ferrari is the only two-stroke engined model ever built. In a four-stroke Ferrari, I would have smoked even Mantheos  ;D ;D


Stig ..... ring ding ding ding


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 4 Then and Now - Albi (1959-80) - Nov 18
Post by: Manteos on November 19, 2010, 04:54:41 PM +0000
Really good race for me! I won it on the strategy again  :P

Even this time I obtained a bad result in qualif session, but I knew that in race it would have been different using the other car trails during the first laps even with a full tank. Unexpectedly at the end of the main straight during the first lap, 2 cars in front of me had a contact, and I took advantage of this situation taking the inside of the right corner, reaching immediately the 2nd position, with some car chasing me with better laptimes. After some laps and a little mistake Clive passed me, but at the end of the main straight, I pulled the brake and I passed him again. My car became light enough to keep a good pace, and start to put a small gap on Clive lap after lap. At the same time, I tried to lose as less as possible by Lorenzo, that was really flying  :o :o
The hope was that of a tyre change of Lorenzo, or a little mistake in pit lane approach... Lorenzo anticipated the pit 2-3 laps before me, and I pulled as fast as possible to reduce the gap during his pit.
Lorenzo entered the pit lane with 18 seconds advantage on me, but he must have been very slow in his pit stop, cause I even lapped him during his pit. So I started to think that he surely changed the tyres, and that his pit was near to a disaster.
After my pit, without changing tyres obviously, I had some small fears about my refueling... but this was due to a wrong calculation. After I realized I would have finished my race with at least 7-8 litres, I started to turn quietly on the 25 every lap, trying to avoid any risk. Mike was 12 seconds behind me, Clive was close to him and Lorenzo after the pit was over than 30 seconds behind me, and even behind Legzy if I'm not wrong. With a better pit stop, Lorenzo would have surely win the race, but it needs a bit of training to make it in the less time possible, and it's sure that is a decisive moment for the race result.
Remember that to change the tyres you need 22-24 seconds, and that refuel up to 10 liters more than needed can cost you about 4 seconds. That advantage is obviously amplified if you make the pit as later as possible, (in this case Lorenzo probably put at least 15 litres more than me at the pit, and this makes about 6 seconds difference only on refueling time!!!)
It's difficult to gain an amount of seconds equal to that you lose to refuel much litres at the pit, starting the race with no full tank. This is probably wrong in this champ, with a 2X fuel consumption, cause it means that to have an advantage in starting with less weight, you have to push as a devil, risking so much without a great advantage in terms of laptimes, and with a sure disadvantage in terms of seconds needed to refuel.
 
Sorry to Bill for the tap when I lapped you, but I think you lift up the gas when I was behind you at the exit of the corner that bring to the main straight, and this was totally unpredictable for me. Try to lift up the gas only when the lapping driver is flanking you, if you want to make the life easier for the lapper, otherwise it becomes difficult to avoid a car that in front of you lift the gas on the straight or in acceleration after a corner, because there's no time to react for the following driver. However it was not my intention to hit you obviously, and I'm disappointed for this fact  :-[

Thanks to the Oldie mechanics crew for the perfect job at the pit stop ;)
2nd race, and 2nd victory for the Oldies... not bad as a novice :P :P ;D!


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 4 Then and Now - Albi (1959-80) - Nov 18
Post by: SpecialKS on November 19, 2010, 06:40:28 PM +0000
Geoffers wrote:

Had one amusing incident when Eifelblitz spun into the bank at T3, his car looked like it had been shot out of a catapult as it hit the bank & flew over the track.  

 ;) :D :)

But I survived!  ;D   ;)



First race with PnG, first race in a Corvette and some typical debutants mistakes for me.

4 (!) pit stops: first one it looked like another car was occupying my pit so I went back on the track,
second one I missed to fill up fuel  :blink:, third one I took less fuel due to a misreading  :whistling:
and forth finally all went well...
Although I would have finished in last place anyway, it wouldn't have been with 3 laps back to the next car.

However - great fun. Sorry Ade for the little nudge towards the end of the race.

Thank you guys for the friendly welcome and all the help you gave to me to make the game
work online and in case of setups.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 4 Then and Now - Albi (1959-80) - Nov 18
Post by: Alex vV on November 19, 2010, 07:04:59 PM +0000

Unofficial LapChart (http://www.justanotherpage.nl/Srou/PnG/Albi67/)

I guess all is said about this good race (API's somersault, Stig's smokescreen, messing up pitstops).
Think much is related to the great track.. a little afraid how the new layout turns out.

Great turnout. A record for this reason I believe (18). Great to see some GTL/GPL regulars.

Fortunately we can leave the camper at the tracksite this time.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 4 Then and Now - Albi (1959-80) - Nov 18
Post by: BillThomas on November 19, 2010, 07:31:19 PM +0000
Really good race for me! I won it on the strategy again  :P

 
Sorry to Bill for the tap when I lapped you, but I think you lift up the gas when I was behind you at the exit of the corner that bring to the main straight, and this was totally unpredictable for me. Try to lift up the gas only when the lapping driver is flanking you, if you want to make the life easier for the lapper, otherwise it becomes difficult to avoid a car that in front of you lift the gas on the straight or in acceleration after a corner, because there's no time to react for the following driver. However it was not my intention to hit you obviously, and I'm disappointed for this fact  :-[


My suspension was damaged earlier in the race - not repaired at pit stop, so had to blip throttle to get sufficient turn in to avoid running wide.  I intended to stay on line and was not lifting for you to pass - been told perilously not to lift off in this situation for the very reason you say.  Just glad it did not ruin your race, last thing I want to do is ruin people's races.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 4 Then and Now - Albi (1959-80) - Nov 18
Post by: Legzy on November 19, 2010, 08:39:29 PM +0000
Good race that. Lots of action in the 1st half & then the second was just a steady cruise to pick up the points.

Congrats to SpecialKS for 1st race, always great to see a new face. You'll be amazed at how you'll progress with each one you get under your belt. 8)

Looking very close now on drivers championship (if Mike can just have one bad race :angel:) & team championship is still alive (just), well order on the podium at least! (nervous yet Clive? ;))



Title: Re: UKPnG Season 4 Then and Now - Albi (1959-80) - Nov 18
Post by: Legzy on November 19, 2010, 08:52:29 PM +0000
Tried taking the Mustang but dont enjoy driving any of the cars in my alloted group and dont feel there is a 'driveable/race-able' one
I agree MJ (which lets be honest is rare! ;D).

The only thing I dislike about this series (P4TN), is the car choice for the yellow group. They are all muscle cars. I don't enjoy muscle cars & I'm sure I'm not alone.
The Orange group has the F275 & the Green group has Lightweight Jag to give them 'happy' choices.
It just seems like the yellow group has a big hole & is crying out for something like the E-Type Roadster, which would fill it quite nicely IMO.
FYI:
Legzy in F275 in race trim              = 1:24.5
Legzy in E-Type Roadster race trim  = 1:26.1


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 4 Then and Now - Albi (1959-80) - Nov 18
Post by: Mike Miller on November 19, 2010, 10:20:24 PM +0000
Good thought on the E-Type Legzy. I'll have to do some testing with fuel usage to see if it is too much of an advantage for the Yellow group drivers..


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 4 Then and Now - Albi (1959-80) - Nov 18
Post by: Legzy on November 19, 2010, 11:26:52 PM +0000
Good thought on the E-Type Legzy. I'll have to do some testing with fuel usage to see if it is too much of an advantage for the Yellow group drivers..
If that E-Type roadster proves too fast/economical/kind to it's tyres... the next slower car in the game of that driving nature, would probably be the F250 Competizione.... which I can just about break a 1:26.9 with here... in case that helps. :)


I'm not in that yellow group, but if I was (or will be) I'd rather be possibly slower in a "nice" car, then driving something I don't enjoy. (having said that, the TransAm can be decent enough on the right track if you're able to put lots of practice in)


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 4 Then and Now - Albi (1959-80) - Nov 18
Post by: FullMetalGasket on November 20, 2010, 04:26:50 PM +0000
Ohh! The 250 C will do fine! :wub:

Only I'll never have a hope of winning again  ;D