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Practice 1: 19:20 (60 mins)
Qual 2: 20:20 (12 mins)
Race: 20:32 (33 laps)

Cars allowed: Refer to this  spreadsheet (http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0AgyClStz4uopdGdEb0FEWmhGMmkzNEZlZmYtVDBJblE&hl=en&output=html). Your car choice is limited to your average finish position (trimean).

Drivers with an average finish of 1 - 5.99 are restricted to cars in the Yellow group.
Drivers with an average finish of 6 - 10.99 are restricted to cars in the Yellow and Orange groups.
Drivers with an average finish of 11+ may drive any car from any group.
If your name is not on the list (first time drivers) you are restricted to cars in the Yellow group.

Yellow (average finish 1+)

• Chevrolet Corvette L76 Roadster
• Chevrolet Corvette Z06 Coupe (excluding white #5)
• Ford Falcon Weslake
• Ford Mustang Trans-Am
• Ferrari 250C

Orange (average finish 6+)

• Ford Falcon Mann
• Ferrari 275 GTB/C (excluding Speciale)
• Shelby GT350R SCCA
• Chevrolet Corvette Z06 Coupe (white #5)
• Ford Mustang AATC Gr5 #01

Green (average finish 11+)

• Shelby Cobra 289 Roadster
• Jaguar E-Type Lightweight (all)
• Shelby GT350R CASC
• Chevrolet Corvette L72

Track: Oulton Park Classic (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3356.msg54521#post_oulton)
Time of Day Setting: 16:00
Weather: Dry
Start: Standing

Tyre wear: 1X
Fuel consumption: 2X
Pit-stops: At least 1 stop is required taking on at least 1 litre of fuel and/or changing 2 tires. You cannot take a mandatory stop at the end of the pace lap, or with less than 1 lap to go.

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Is this the correct link for the version of the track we need, GP 1954 - 72?  Link says Oulton Park 2005.  ???

Bill

The Oulton Park 2005 download has 4 track configurations. Classic is the one I'm assuming matches the track name in LM2. I will check though to verify it is correct. Bottom line is we will use the "Classic" layout in the Oulton Park 2005 installer.

Yes, I can confirm that Mike. We did a fun UKPnG race there using the classic layout about 1 year ago :-\

Thanks going on info on link  only.  Yes we did - I raced there then.  Very similar to the GTL track we raced on recently.

Hmm. My spirits soared when I saw "classic" as the one with shell hairpin and no chicanes is really
the "classic" track, If this is the one that uses shell (the full length course) but has the chicanes in
then it's better than the Fosters or Island one, but I seem to remember people getting hurled into
space at the mere touch of the inside edge of the chicane imediately after shell. The real original
course without the chicanes is a classic  layout, and like the Albis the old one is way better.
Of course there may not be a convert of the GPL Oulton....

No chicanes Matt.

The server is running and the spreadsheet is updated.

ExceGuppyLente! Bravisimo!  :thumbup2:
Why have I gone all Eyetaliane, dunno but I shall go and practice forthwith

I just had my first ever run on this track ..... I think it's a blast, and one of the best tracks I've ever tried - it has it all    :thumbup1:

I'm gonna try everything I can to try and get back in time for this last race of the season. I'm convinced, that this awesome track will insure lots of drama, many teas of rage and lost hopes of glory........ and above all, fun by the ton  ;D ;D

Stig / Hotkeys

Did a few laps, and yes this is the proper track version, the maker has made some nasty sharp edges around
the chicanes, but at least we don't need to go through them  8)

Being a "Then and Now" series, I should be doing the version with chicanes next.

True, you should, however if you did, there would be reports of Royal Navy Missile boats off the coast of
Fishers Island.  ;D

Is the server busy on Saturdays?

Can't find it.   :(

Just restarted the server as it wasn't showing in the lobby. There's maybe some problem here as I needed to twice restart the UKGTR practice server on Friday and Saturday. Both servers were showing as running, but were not appearing in lobby even though the broadcast to lobby option was ticked  ???

Do the servers time out after a while if no-one has been on them since they were started?

Server shows fine now :_ )

Stig

Beat me to it.   8)

Great track and it's my local if you discount Aintree, which isn't used for serious racing any more.

Seems to have a few more lumps and bumps that the GPL version.

No. They are supposed to hang out and wait indefinitely.

cant we add a euro spec classic racer to the group A (yellow) ? My race at Albi was effectively ruined because i was shoe horned into a US muscle car that i very rarely drive, and as usual had little time for any praccy, and now it seems i am still stuck with them despite being away for Albi part 2 ?  Just a simple request and i know i am not alone in thinking there should be one in the yellow group.  :-*

Stick the Elite in Yellow?  ::)
EDIT:
Clive may be right, Aintree isn;t used for serious racing these days.. but here's a couple of very short
clips of me "trying" to be serious in Village corner  :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNEWQ9qKxxg

EDIT:
It's a Peugeot 106 Rallye Mk1. it is in a road going Hillclimb and sprint class under 1400. regs mean you can
only change certain things. The engine is a 1360 8 valve head, limiter cuts in at 8500, peak is
150bhp at 7200, car weighs around 760kg. suspension is very stiff particularly the rear, there is very
little roll with it, making it "entertaining" in the wet. It's currently having the gearbox rebuilt as it snapped
the output shaft... it has a quaife ATB diff, but most of the gearbox bits are standard, and it's putting
out 1/2 as much power again as it was designed for. it had to run on normal road tyres so could be
quite a bit quicker of track day tyres were allowed. If I put slicks on it it would go up to the Modified
Production class with full blown racers which are fully stripped out etc. Mine has to have a working heater
and radio, because it had them when new...I drive it to events, real "gentleman racer" style as I have
nowhere at home to put a trailer.
There are some in car and external vids of it's previous incarnations on my site
(had to use a proper "Rallye" shell to keep within some people's idea of the regs.) :
http://www.matt-rowe.co.uk/

The external Ty Croes ones are My pal Ed in my previous car, then Craig Lawton in a 205, then me. Loadsa tyres squeal!

Nice video Matt ;). Good tire squeal. Sounded like you were at 9.5/10th's Can you tell us more about the car. Mods etc.? Sounds like you are turning some high rpm's :D I love hot hatches.. Scirocco owner here ;).

I added the Ferrari 250C to the Yellow group. It is similar in performance to the Trans Am. It will be interesting to see how it stacks up in the race.

Bit late in the day for changes to the car groups.

It's to be hoped that the yellow group do not all turn up in 250Cs and lock out the front rows of the grid!   ;D

I doubt the front row will be locked out by Ferrari's. I was faster in the Mustang, but that may be my prevalence to yank tanks talking.

LOL

I have learnt not to underestimate the powers of the aliens to turn up in a car that I have dimissed as to slow and proceed to wipe the floor with everyone.

thanks for adding the euro car Mike, appreciated. Perhaps we should have added the proviso that only 'mortals in yellow can drive it...usual aliens have to use the rest!'  It just seemed a little unbalanced that there were 'only' US cars in yellow as they have their own distinct driving style required, which is fine if you have plenty of spare time for practise.

1:49's race pace in my usual yellow F275 so far. Hoping I'll have that down to 48's come the race :-\

Lovely track for PnG. 8)

Legzy:
How do we say NO to alternate weeks? I think the same people will turn up most of the time whether we
run bi-weekly or not. It just spoils the fun reducing the number of races in a week for me.

Ha!

You are always sandbagging until qually.

You're in the same boat as me Matt. I just don't understand the decision the two historic leaders have come too on their own. ???

With regards your question, I have no idea "how we say NO to alternate weeks". But adding the slogan to my signature has recruited you, maybe if you & a few others feel the same & add it to your signatures, the two organisers might review it. :-\

What's the matter guys? You don't enjoy GTL? Our hopes is that some of those who race GTL only will mozy onto the P&G farm and those who race P&G only will do the same with GTL. I'm also thinking there are others like me who could benefit from committing to 1 less night of racing whilst still getting their fill of historic racing from a 2 different platforms. Until P&G 3 comes out, GTL still has the edge with the number of cars available.

Let's see how the numbers work out when the change goes into effect.

In fairness, since I added that signature, Tony has put up a cracking series & I'm right back into GTL. It seems I'm not the only one his current series has attracted either, with 16 & 18 drivers at the last two Monday races. 8)
My signature should probably has been updated to say: Just say no to alternate UKPnG & UKGTL races. ;)

I've been wrong soo many times before it's not funny... but while you might get a couple of drivers that will be happy to start picking up the other sim 'because that's on a Thursday now', I imagine that equally you'll lose drivers that want to do just PnG or just GTL weekly. Some will find other leagues who race their choice of sim, others will just settle for fortnightly races & possibly fade away from racing gradually :-\

The other negative side effect will be that for quite a few people like myself, it'll be reducing us to one historic race a week instead of the two I enjoy now :(.

Anyhow, I won't harass you further. :)

PnG is my sim of choice and I'm racing with it on Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday.

I don't do GTL and have no intention of mozying anywhere.

I find that if I am to make any progress with a sim then I have to do it on an exclusive basis, especially when learning, which is the stage that I am at with PnG.  I haven't used all 104 cars in PnG yet so why would I want any more?

When PnG3 arrives I will have a whole new learning experience as I understand that the physics have been tweaked to achieve even greater realism.

PnG also offers great racing and whilst Mike's PnG seasons have presented me with a serious challenge(several actually), the best fun that I have is with the Gamers-Crib races on a Tuesday.  They have two sprint races on the night with two different car sets.  It is usually elbows out action from lights to flag.

Would that not be a possibility with the Thursday night races, one P&G race & one GTL race. One short race & one longer race, alternating between the two sims each week. Everyone would get at least one race per week then.

I have always given priority to my UKxx racing, be it UKGPL or UKPnG, but if PnG is such an embarrassment to SROUK then perhaps the time has come to clear off and race elsewhere!

I wouldn't say P&G is an embarrassment here. I think we offer challenging racing with accomplished/clean drivers. The numbers here are on par with Race 2 Play (other league I race with).

I'd be happy to try the dual sprints again. Let's do a test next week. I'll work on a tasty set of cars for a single track.

I should have stuck with the flipping Transam, i was both quicker and more stable in it here but loved driving the 250C when it was on song. Dont know what went wrong with my race setup, the car just kept constantly oversteering into a spin and by lap 8 i had already span 5 times and ran wide 3 ! A disaster. When i span a 6th time with the leaders approaching to lap me i decided enough was enough.  >:(  Odd, as my test laps with full fuel it felt alright.  ???

The car is like a ballerina and feels great when it works right, dancing through the apex's but it takes more talent than ive got to keep it constantly on the black stuff and the constant spins took the fun out of it.

Great track and nice car spread, shame i couldnt race anyone.

I hope that next season, if there is one, we can dispense with joke lighting effects and iffy tracks.

With little to aim at due to the sun straight into my eyes, I used half the curb at Dentons and the next instant I was flying through the air.

Not a happy camper.

(http://www.planet-venom.co.uk/PnG/Dentons.JPG)

I would rather have a season based on the standard tracks that shipped with the game.  

Shocked that I won that round in the Ferrari 250. Like MJ said earlier, it is an incredibly difficult car to drive. The car was dancing over the bumps and threatened to snap around on me many times throughout the race. I had to deny the car the pleasure because it was so damn fun trying to keep up with Navin the first stint. We were never more than 2 seconds apart.

Just before my stop, I took away a little fuel knowing the only chance I had to pass him was in the pits. Fortunately, I had 1 more lap of fuel than he did, but unfortunately, my handling went off sharply 2 laps before my stop. I focused all I could on getting the best in lap, pit and out lap possible. My plan worked as I exited the pits with 3 seconds in hand to Navin, but I could clearly see that wasn't going to be enough. His car was working much, much better than mine in the 2nd stint. I knew I couldn't hold him off, but I fought as long as I could. He got by with 3 laps to go I think.

With 2 to go, I realized I was going to be half a gallon short so I backed off knowing I couldn't catch Navin and had a ton of time back to 3rd. Shortly thereafterwards, I see Navin doing the same. My 1st thought is he sees that I have conceded and he backs off to ensure he makes it home as well. Turns out he had the same plan as me with short filling the car to get the track position after the pit sequence. He ran out going up the hill in the last turn. Sorry to see you didn't make it Navin. It was an epic battle.

Many, many thanks to Matt for taking on server responsibilities this season. Without his help, the races we enjoy wouldn't happen. Thanks again Matt.

I don;t like the sun in your eyes stuff either. But didn't put me off much though
Fell off early on with a dumb error, then clawed back up the field, not sure if Legzy spun trying to avoid my
fat posterior or there was contact, if there was I felt nothing, so continued. Lorenzo seemed to be struggling
some, so caught and passed him, I need to say that again "caught and passed Lorenzo"  ;D
then went into pits with 95 sec "Shall we replace your susupension sir?" no you pilcharding will not
left Tyres as they were still a dirty green, and pressed on, have to say I wasted more time mucking around
with the keyboard on my lap trying to tell XD about not changing tyres than if I'd just driven hard on my
in lap, practice I guess, and Yes, Thanks Manteos I got it now  8)
Had Geoffers and Ade 10 secs or so behind, and went off slightly letting them gain, then Ade got past
Geoffers and started to "Reel me in" err like a, err (cough) fish.... Kept a couple of secs to the end
and got a Pody, possibly second if the Nav Fuel report is correct.
Love the track even if it is a bumpy version.

Unofficial LapChart (http://www.justanotherpage.nl/Srou/PnG/Oulton/)

Great race, awesome track (bumps are not that bad in real life I hope). Proves you don't need a Tilke to design difficult and challenging tracks.
Race was more about keeping the Oil Tanker on the road but was having fun sliding through the corners.

Congrats and thanks to Mike for organising the championship. Congrats to the Kerbies.

 

What a treat this track was :D. I would rather run out of gas one turn to the end here rather than win a dozen races at another boring track... Which is just exactly what I did!!  :-[ That was a big surprise to see Mike so close to me for the whole first fuel stint. I kept looking behind to see Mike totally sideways driving that 250 brilliantly. I had just enough to stay ahead but did have to pit one lap earlier. Like Mike said after his stop I was about 3 seconds back with 9 laps to go and just tried to be clean and hit my marks to close the gap. Mike was still driving very well and had good pace but given I was in the 275 I was able to get to him. I wasn't going to press the issue to hard because I wasn't sure about the championship points situation for Mike. Not realizing he was uncatchable for first I didn't want to crash us out and screw up anyone's championship. So I just ran as hard as I could and hoped for a small mistake that would give me a chance to get by. In turn 5(banked 180 corner) Mike was a just a little high going through the corner which was just enough for me to poke my front end in and get a good exit out. It was a drag race out and I just got by. It was then 3 laps to go and I wasn't even thinking about fuel.. Then with 1 1/2 to go I looked at my fuel gauge and went GLUP!!! :o I knew I was sunk for 1st but just hoped I could get to the end. I realized that Mike was either having a similar fuel problem or was just going slow for the last lap.. I was in 5th gear almost the whole way but in the end it wasn't enough  :angel: Wasn't the first time I've run out.. And I'm sure it wont be the last  :P Was glad Mike got the win as his drive in that 250 was truly epic.. Have no idea how you could get that wobbly kneed car to go so fast for sooo long.. ;)

Grats go out as well to Matt for 2nd and to Ade for 3rd place. :)

A big Congrats to the Championship winners Mike,Legzy, and Lorenzo

My first championship in PnG and it has been a ton of fun racing with you fellas. Great to race with a good group of guys and this group is one of the best I've had the pleasure to race with. No hotdogs short of talent.. Just a bunch of fast guys that are considerate of others.. Good stuff ;D Thank you Mike for all your work.

Had some fine racing at first, then couldn't avoid Matts Mustang, as it came galloping right across the track. My car was pretty hard to handle efter that, but I still had some fun duels untill my wheel came off the table  :o  arghh.. I was so surprised I jumped of my chair and fell flatt on the floor  :laugh: Some finish of the season  ;D ;D.

Congrats to the winners of this race and those who made the podium for the whole season.

Stig / Hotkeys

Gutted I missed this - as despite the exagerated bumps and crests* I love this version of the circuit  :(

Havn't raced at all this week due to a cold is my only excuse. I was looking forward to fighting the Shelby (My new favourite toy) round here...


*Have driven Oulton in real life, It's a must-do for anyone into their trackdays, this layouts fairly good but a lot of the bumps seem exagerated - also the track is much smoother for real  :)

By my quick calculation it looks as though my late participation may have resulted in Kerbies winning the team prize.  8)

Not my favourite sort of track - too many bumps!  I don't mind the sun - it helps the realism.  Thanks Clive for your help in getting the Cobra 289 Roadster setup.  A bit disappointed with qualifying and in the race I had too many unforced errors.  Finished 8th due to other drivers making worse errors than me in the race.  (Not as many flying cars as in the GTL on Monday as we had at Pembury :devil: - no really nice profiled grass banks.)

Only pleasing thing was the fastest race lap was within a few hundreds on a sec of my PB set on my own - online. :whistling: :yes:  Once I'm the last runner I try to keep alert  :yawn: by, providing the car is OK, trying to beat my qualifying/PB.

Ah yes, got a wheel onto the grass and spun across the track, I remember gritting teeth and hoping
to not get hit, but was not to be, appologies for my crap driving Stig, at least we both carried
on with bent cars and had some fun. I snapped my G25 wheel a couple of weeks ago fighting
with a slidey car, had to poke 4 inch screws into the two halves of the wheel and apply a few firkins
of araldite... It has a bit more "mass" now  ;D

Then also congrats to you Bill  8)
Looks like us gentlemen drivers ploughing on at the back  sometimes can make a difference  ;D

First of all I want to thank the organizers of the championship. I didn't join all the races for the  other "commitments" with the VDA, but as ever It's a real fun to race here, and this formula proved to be the best way to have some balance between car groups & drivers.

Here there's a great atmosphere for racing, a lot of strong and fair drivers and I like this place so much!
I want to thank Chris, for his invite to join the Oldie Team, and I can confirm by now I can surely stay in the Oldie Team, at least for the next Season if you want.

Grats to Mike - Legzy - Lorenzo for the podium in drivers championship, and to the kerbs - SRBC - Oldies for the podium in team championship!
Cu the next thursday for a fun event maybe? I don't know what Mike is preparing for us :D

Bye bye!

I have finally found time to catch up on the paperwork.

Many congratulations to Mike for his Championship crown and also to the Kerb Crawlers, we will get you next time, if there is one.

I had foolishly entertained thoughts of winning this round.  ::)  A 1:46.7 in my pre-race practice did nothing to dent this belief.

As soon as I went on line it all started to turn to rats.  I even managed to crash at Hilltop due to reading the chat messages.

I was still waiting for someone to join the grid when I sudenly realised that the lights were on and thus only just managed to stagger off the grid.

Things began to settle down and I was in my usual position of chasing Ade but with Legzy in his yellow Ferrari doing all he could to stop me concentrating on the job in hand.

Legzy had only just left me alone when my blind run into Dentons resulted in my taking too much curb and the car was on its roof.  Very unfriendly I thought.  I didn't actually want any curb but I had found that the best line was close down the right hand side.

They can't race at Oulton past 6:00pm so what the sun was doing that low I don't know.

I really don't know why we can't just have a straight forward race where all the corners are visible.

Didn't see any sunshine Clive, must have been above my roof line in  cockpit view.

Me neither, don't recall any problem with visibility. Maybe you should turn the brightness down on your monitor Clive  ;), or wear some shades!

I need shades for the monitor.  LOL

I'll take a screen shot from my monitor and you can tell me if you could see more.