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Now, for the 3rd round of the Historic Throphy, should have been 4th of cause but.......... we go to Mexico. The well known papy track should not give anybody andy problems right? Well anyway all are wellcome.

There will be chassis restrictions for this one based on the championship standings. Se below.

Please restrict chat to a minimum, (or maybe none).

Moderating will be by reported incidents only, however the moderator reserve the right to review any incident with a particular emphasise on lap one. Please submit incident reports within a week after the race so that the moderators report may be out before the next race.

Best of luck.
 
Race List =         iGOR
Server =            UKGPL_T7_2
IP Address =       62.149.202.168
Race date =       30-11-2010
Time =              21.00 UK time
Track =             Mexico 1967
Variant =           66F1 3L engines
Damage Model =  PRO
Qualifying time = 35 minutes. Do not start until 30 min left.
Race length =     Pro Long (27 laps)

The track can be downloaded from: Papy track



Group I
Mclaren M2B Ford
T1G Eagle Weslake


Group II
Lotus 43 BRM Ford       
BRM P83 
 


GroupIII
Ferrari 312
Brabham BT19
Cooper T81
Honda RA273
 

Drivers Restricted to cars from Group I
Hristo Itchov
EvilClive


Drivers Restricted to cars form Group II
Al Heller
Göran Jonsson

All other drivers have free chassis choice.

Password: see above (#post_event_password)
(2) Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R;group=278;theme=6)





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Looks like I am going to miss this race as I am away on business  :-\ at least I might get dropped to a group 2 car or better next time  ;D

I've caught a bad case of lurgie so will have to pass on onights race  :(

Sorry guys, hope you have a good one

Still no iGOR race list so I guess we will have to connect direct to the server IP 62.149.202.168

Remember to pic the right car in GEM+ and go to multiplayer and connect using PW and IP address.

We meet in iGOR chat as usually some time before 21.00 UK time.

Göran

I have a spare evening so think I will give this a go - not very experienced with the 66's but will keep out of your way  ;)
I've put myself in as a reserve.

What a total waste of time. I had to endure through the problems with the server and Qualifying running more than half an hour later just so Bartosz could take me out at T1 despite having half a track for himself on the inside. My McLaren was obviously no match for the other cars on the start, so I lost a couple of positions, but some people just refuse to realize they can't win on lap 1... I'm disgusted with this.

And BTW, when you warp badly, it's YOUR responsibility to make sure and keep a distance from other cars, so don't dare blame warp contact for erratic driving.

Really enjoyed this one . good feel good float. A bit stressy start with Dave close behind and a mishift (5th instead of 3 rd) gave him a free chance to pass as I fiddled with getting it back quick.Guess he would have got me sooner or later anyway but once behind him the float was really good and I had advantage of the slip. Don t think I would managed to win but I matched Daves speed (when behind at least) and it would have been exciting. then disconnect.The air totally out of gpl balloon now. Next race I m on vacation. I ll give it one more try and if it happens again I go back to my old screen resolution. No idea why it would matter but thats the only thing I ve changed since this started to happen.I was good at spec and I hoped it was that fix I forgot to put in castle combe was the reason for my dc there.Good luck to the rest. At least I ll get to drive cooper next season too it seem :)

Well a few problems that delayed the start. Goran was not to blame and did a brilliant job under the circumstances, we found there are issues with the best way to start this mod with no IGOR racelist and the only way to sort it was trial and error (thanks Fulvio) - come back racelist  :-\

Anyway, firstly I have to retract my partial statement to Paul that setups don't count. I had 40 mins to try the mod on this (not my favorite) track before the event and the only setup I had was for the Lotus 43. Try as I might I was stuck at 1.59. Just before the start Al H kindly gave me his setup and immediately in Qually I got a 1.53 which at least meant I might get some racing.
I think the moral is stick with a good base setup and work on your driving first but admit when you have an appallingly bad setup and change it LOL.

So the race; Quallied at the lower end but looked like I might have some fun. Got an OK start and I was aware Goran was on my right down the straight, plan was to ease in behind him. Suddenly I saw Hristo facing the wrong way and did my best to get round safely but clipped Goran's back end in the process - big apology, did my best at evasive action.
After that I was out of sorts, chewed the gravel and got stuck for good - short inaugural 66 for me.


PS: not commenting on your incident H but check the server replay too - my one showed warp.

I'm sorry Hristo that your race ended like this, but you will not provoke me to discuss it on forum. Wait for server replay and report incident.

Decent histerical result for once , though mostly down to retirements  :D Was P4 at one time then made a pigs ear of corner after polo straight and almost got stuck in the bunker , lost 2 or 3 places then had a great time time chasing Phil down managed to get the tow down the straight and just squeezed past him as he ran a little wide going into T2 . 

Grats to the Pods and commiserations to the rest

Thanks for the fun,  was worth all the start up hassles , I'm still way down in the 66 rank and file , need to do better  ::)

I seemed to have a bit of a warpy connection in qually so I disconnected and reconnected but still seemed bad.  Since I qualified mid pack I didn't want to cause problems at the start so I decided to start from the pit lane.

Start was OK for me, but I was 15 seconds behind the last man before I even got going LOL.  No problem though, within a couple of laps I started to get of the back of the pack. Made some progress mainly through people crashing or spinning.  At one stage I got up to 5th and was challenging Goran but I managed to spin and lost ground.  So with about 15 laps to go I decided to try to manage the gap back to Bernie who I'd passed earlier whilst he was in the gravel at T3.  Bernie had other ideas and started to close me down.  With 5 laps to go I still felt confident of staying ahead.  With 3 laps to go I was getting a bit worried.  With 2 laps to go I ran wide in T1 and Bernie nipped through on the inside.  Red mist down but I couldn't catch him, Bernie had a good hundred yards on me when we crossed the line.

Nice racing Bernie.  If you were sweating in your loft in this weather you must have been trying!  :clap:

Less said about the race, the better. Picked my way through the early mess and after a lap or two noticed my pitboard [ still cant get Prib working perfectly] said 4th. What, hey, a mistake surely. Whatever the reason my race went to pieces. A couple of stupid spins and I soon found my position gone.Then the middle of the race was awful, and I resolved to get to the finish, which I eventually did.
Technical question for Guru's- went to check my replay and it crashed GPL. Checked other replay's , they are fine apart from those saved under my 66mod, all of which crash GPL. Anyone able to point me towards a solution?
Well done to the podium and all the others able to enjoy a race.

Aha. I may have a partial answer to my own question. I can watch my replay through GEM-GPL, but not through GPL alone.

Mystified-Waza.

To see any mod with GPL alone you have to set it hitting the Vroc button before, so he builds even the GPL.exe with the right mod.
Ciao

Fulvio is right, but there's an even easier way, try opening your gpl directory in Explorer, which should be C:\SIERRA\gpl, and doubleclick on gplc66.exe .

It sounds like your trying to open a 1966 mod replay with your 1967 standard installation. This won't work since there are more than seven cars in the 1966 mod. 1965 and 1969 mods will open no problem even if you see the wrong cars in action.

Tom.

I'm not provoking you and I'm not going to protest either. I know you didn't do anything intentionally, but I also know my car didn't snap on its own for no reason to spin into the wall on the left while I'm turning right. There was some warp contact involved, but I'm pretty certain you drifted a bit too much there on the inside otherwise it wouldn't have happened. It's your own replay that can show that best, but at least on mine you drift wide and hit me on the side.

Anyway, I couldn't hide my disappointment from losing the race like this. I also want to comment on how some people seem to take way too big risks on L1/T1. There were 2 situations that unfolded in front of me on the entry to T1 and after the apex which could've easily ended up in tears. Can't you be a bit more cautious, people? Do you really think that gaining a position by taking such risk is justified? What would you do later when the faster driver you passed with such risk is behind you, block him for 27 laps?

Hristo what you have seen at the front at T1 was Martin going sideways cause a too deep entry turn and me reacting  to that trying to keep the inside avoiding his possibly spin. I was very cautios at T1 Lap1 entry keeping inside line after have been roared up the straight by Dave and Martin. At the hairpin I passed Martin that had a stop after a little bump on Dave at the apex, but on the following main straight Martin was on my tail again and I entered too deep and gently drifted to the rail and was glued by it. Martin went even more deep and bumped me on the same rail. I followed the rail cause I knew that if I had tried to leave it I'd have been suddenly launched in the middle of the track, but when the rail ended my car was launched the same on the track cutting Martin course that had rebounded better on the rail, sorry Martin. After hitting Martin my car was pushed to the left grass over the tires involving Bart in the process that was stuck on a concrete tire, sorry Bart. To rejoin the track safely I got a BF for cutting the course and had to pit to serve the penalty.
I restarted from pit behind Phil that spun at Peralta the following lap, then it was the time of Natan that spun in front of Goran at the end of the esses and I passed by both.
After a couple of laps I was on the tail of Bernie and drafted him on the straight to pass him at T1. Now in third I had about 25 sec. gap to Al in second. I saw that I could gain about a sec. a lap so I settled for a steady and safe pace trying to not do any big error hoping for some Al's error  ;D
At last lap I was on the Al's tail and drafted him on the straight to pass him at T1.
It was a very hot pursuit trying to not lost concentration, but it paid off :)
Ciao

OK Send me that Lotus 43 setup NOW - I've only ever managed 2:05 :( I really hate this track. Not as bad as Monaco though ho ho.

All things considered I'm happy to grab a podium here... despite the agony of losing 2nd place on the last lap to my dastardly nemesis Fulvio (again! :censored:). The postponed Efexx race meant carrying over the handicap chassis which didn't fill me with glee as I felt if anything Mexico increased the disadvantage. So I wasn't expecting too much from this outing - especially as I'd never really got to grips with the Lotus 43 before & was finding it quite hard to drive at the limit round this twisty venue. 

Started 5th & held back a little from the front 4 during lap 1 as it all looked a bit fruity up there. Starting lap 2 both Fulvio & Martin caught the armco on the outside of T1 right ahead of me but as I turned in, Martin sprang out (was ejected?) from the barrier right into my path - I was fully committed to my line by then so had nowhere to go & we collided pretty hard. Not sure how I managed to survive that impact but I see that GPLRA reports some medium damage for me (so that'll make a good excuse for what happened later... ;)) A further incident occurred between Fulvio & Martin behind me & by the time everything settled down I found myself in a very solid 3rd. That became 2nd when Tom discoed (bad luck mate - I hate it when that happens) but by then Prib was reporting that a recovering Fulvio was about 25 seconds back with 19 laps to go. With Fulvio in the Brab I knew it would be close by the end so I was pushing as hard as I dared - the fact that we set the two fastest race laps is testament to our battle but the Lotus was such a handful that I knew it'd be a miracle if I held on. Sure enough as we started the last lap Fulvio finally appeared right in my tow & breezed past on the inside into T1. I wondered afterwards if I should have tried holding the inside line & forcing him out wide but looking at the replay I think he had enough to get by no matter where I stuck the car.

Anyway throughout all this Dave was doing a sterling job out front so congrats to him on a very good win. Fulvio's laptimes show that without all his delays he could well have won so WD to him too (I will wreak my revenge at a later date ;D). Also a special WD to Bernie - if your attic is anything like as cold as mine you deserve a prize just for getting to the end without freezing certain parts of your anatomy off.           

I have a problem with GPL replay analiser , I can load and quality test a lap , go to the replay screen , replay works fine but when I hit the reports button I get a fault message which basically says "you have a fault and GPLRA needs to close"  :o

It's Ok with all other 65 & 67 mods races, just 66 mod afaik  :P


 

Have you tried the new version of GPLRA (version 7.9)? Might help - http://srmz.net/index.php?showtopic=6319 (http://srmz.net/index.php?showtopic=6319)

There are times when it pays, to remember the days of 'PG' (prior to GEM).  There was an era when many cars, would show up to a big meeting, without the use of a fancy transporter.  And so it was with Mexico, where some GEM transporters refused their cargo.  For us, the old fashioned way, was to click on the proper GPL exe, and select our weapon of choice, once inside. :angel:

I suspect the transporters drivers to have been corrupted, yesterday.  Perhaps they took a bribe to refuse certain cars, though it's dangerous to speculate, and I hope everyone managed to prevail.

I put in a decent practice lap, and decided not to hang about during the race, as per my previous outing.  This changed tactic, saw me jump from 6th, to 3rd at the 1st corner.  But this quickly unraveled a lap later, when I played follow the leader into the outside Armco.  In the space of 6 or 7 seconds, I managed to hit the Armco, Fulvio, Al, and Fulvio again!  Hmm . . . I'm beginning to think 1966 was a dangerous year!  :o

It was a relief to see Fulvio able to snuff out the flames, and he and Al able to continue on, with some success!  Being the junior member, my car had lost a couple of cylinders in the scuffle, and I switched to limp mode.  Was immediately black flagged for dropping oil, but could find nothing in the rulebook about this, so hope my additional limp laps are officially scored.  Did nothing naughty enough to stop that I'm aware of?  Retired to the pits, once lapped.

Some spirited driving by both Fulvio, and Bernie, to liven up the finish.  With sympathies to those early departed from the race, from which I'll include commiserations to myself!  :(

66 was definitely a dangerous year - I was born! :D

Qualifying could have been a bit better as I know if put a perfect (for me) lap together I should be in the 1:50's.  To see Hristo put in such astonishing lap times never ceases to leave me in awe and I'm at a loss to know where another two seconds can possibly be.  ???  However, was really comfortable with the car handling and looked forward to a reasonably competitive race.

Got away from the line well and was up to second for T1, tried to keep it as tidy as possible and was relieved to get through without anyone ploughing into me, bad luck to those not so fortunate.  I agree with Hristo about risks on 1st lap, although I don't expect any of us would do anything but keep it nailed when you sense a chance to pass on the straight before the first corner.  For some of us that's the only chance we get to pass you H!  :)

The next challenge would be the hairpin, when the inevitable 1st lap bunch up would occur, Tom seemed a bit slow mid corner and I had to hold back resulting in a bump from behind.  Thankfully, I escaped damage or being launched across the border and a lap later manage to take the lead into the final turn.

Head down and wary of those cursed white tyres I managed to pull a reasonable gap, as those behind seemed to be having various issues.  Noticed Al was holding the gap fairly constant which kept me on my toes and I pushed a bit harder when necessary to try to maintain the gap.  Feeling very tired from the week's stresses at work meant my mind was prone to wandering and I found it very hard to focus properly.  Four laps from the end the front wheel just clipped a tyre on the twisty section and then I was facing the wrong way.  Keep cool, there's still a reasonable lead..  Got going again but now I could see Al and Fulvio pushing hard as I exited the hairpin, but was pleased to bring it home without any more mistakes.

Looking forward to Thruxton, though where no doubt I will be brought down to earth with a bump and normal service is resumed!