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Onto our next event, a new one for UKGPL, with Hristo leading the Works by four points over Tom and Ronnie holding the lead in Privateers over Bernie.

Subject to a viable number of entrants we are running two separate grids for Works and Privateers drivers this season. The Works will run on PRO Damage and Privateers will run on Intermediate Damage with the allowance of ONE shift-R reset. No Shift-Rs are allowed in practice unless authorized by the moderator. A Shift-R (fault or not) MUST be followed by a Stop & Go. A Shift-R for tyres/fuel is not allowed. Any driver taking more then ONE Shift-R OR failing to take a Stop & Go will be disqualified from the race result.

Race List = IGOR
Server(s);
Works = UKGPL_5
IP address = ping myjamesonline.net
Privateers = UKGPL_T7_2
IP address = 62.149.202.168
Race date = 05-12-2010
Time = 21:00 UK time
Track = Virginia International Raceway (VIR)
Variant = 67F1
Damage Model = Works; PRO / Privateers; INT
Qualifying time = 35 minutes. Don't start until 30 mins left on clock to allow everyone to join.
Race length = 50 minutes (laps 27)
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Please note in the event the IGOR racelist remains MIA instructions to join direct will be given out in the #UKGPL chatroom


Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R;group=277;theme=6)
The track can be downloaded from : http://dixierunners.speedgeezers.net/smogbike/ (http://dixierunners.speedgeezers.net/smogbike/)
Add-on’s available at : http://srmz.net/index.php?s=88ae7c0755911d954be8b4bd1eef0fe4&showtopic=256&st=0&p=1453&#entry1453 (http://srmz.net/index.php?s=88ae7c0755911d954be8b4bd1eef0fe4&showtopic=256&st=0&p=1453&#entry1453)

Please be in IGOR UKGPL chatroom by 8:50 pm UK Time

Reserve drivers should not join the server(s) until there are only 30 minutes of qualifying left. Please restrict chat to pit messages. Moderating will be by reported incidents only, however the moderators reserve the right to review any incident with a particular emphasis on lap one. The aim is to review the race the following weekend so incident reports should be submitted within five days of the race (ie the following Friday). We're hopeful most incidents can be resolved amicably and recommend a days deep breath with a replay review before posting. A sorry in the forum won't be taken as an automatic admission of guilt by the moderators.
The Works will run on PRO Damage and Privateers will run on Intermediate Damage with the allowance of ONE shift-R reset. No Shift-Rs are allowed in practice unless authorized by the moderator. A Shift-R (fault or not) MUST be followed by a Stop & Go. A Shift-R for tyres/fuel is not allowed. Any driver taking more then ONE Shift-R OR failing to take a Stop & Go will be disqualified from the race result.

With the token system chassis strategy will be a factor. A driver must have sufficient tokens for the chassis he drives in the race.  Any driver who does not have sufficient tokens will be disqualified from the result and his tokens will be set to zero.

Chassis costs;
Lotus 20 / Eagle 17 / Ferrari 15 / Brabham 10 / Cooper 5 / Honda 3 / BRM 0

To see your current tokens hover your mouse over your total points on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R;group=277;theme=6). Ten tokens will be added when you cross the start line.

The Championship is split into two sub-divisions, namely Works and Privateers. The driver split will be;

WORKS drivers

Kinghiro (R)	Evil Clive	Hristo
Tim FMG	Steve Bird	John Roberts
Al Heller	Vosblod	Jethro
Sam B	Bartosz (Pod)	Baab (R)
Beefpie (R)	Rick N (R)	JHalli (R)
Fulvio P (R)	Tommie van O (R)	EasternSun (R)

PRIVATEERS drivers

Bernie	Burtoner	Mike Turner
Billy Nobrakes	Bookie W	Nigel Smith
Fabio (Il Lupo)	Ronnie Peterson	Paul Badblood
Martin Maddog (R)	Ross Gilles27 (R)	Hannah (R)
Nicky I (R)	Happy Al (R)	D-Rock (R)
Toni Niemi (R)

EasternSun (R) - sub-division to be decided upon

67 Patch: The 1.3 Release of the 67mod can be used.

NOTE: Please ensure you join the correct server, due to the way we import if you start the race on the wrong server your result will not count.

IMPORTANT NOTE (5/12/10)

As you will be aware the IGOR racelist has been down for some time. This has caused subsequent problems with race hosting involving drivers having to join direct via IP. From the moderators point of view there are extra problems I won't bore you with suffice to say we cannot fire up the remote servers in the usual way.

Tonights event WILL go ahead but launching the servers may take longer then usual so please bear with me if things don't kick off dead on 9pm. I have tested the servers and they are both fine but can take a while to fire up.
A note of the IP's to be used will follow and will also be provided in chat.

Addendum
IP addresses;

Works (UKGPL_5) : ping myjamesonline.net (currently 90.195.125.43 )
Privateers (UKGPL_T7_2) : 62.149.202.168

To avoid a Bandwidth Mismatch it's best to set your core.ini to 3/84 - 3/384 which should get you onto anything.
Also they probably won't go into the 'newspaper' section at the end of the race until I go in and manually save the replays and shut them. They will just sit on 'complete' at the end.


The Virginia International Raceway (commonly known as just "VIR") is a road course located in the community of Alton, Virginia.The track originally opened in August 1957 and as one of the first permanent American road racing tracks, VIR soon became a fixture on the SCCA circuit and a favorite among racers due to its high-speed straights, challenging turns and dramatic elevation changes. The track fell on hard times in the early 1970s, and that, combined with the fuel crisis of 1973, spelled the end for VIR. The track was shut following an SCCA enduro on October 13, 1974. It reverted to farmland for 25 years until it was redevoloped and reopened in March 2000.

Bet I can still find the farmland...  ::)

Whoa, this is one hell of a track. Every corner is a challenge. If you get your lines just right you can find heaps of time. A good example is the esses which are flat out if you get your line right, except for that last corner.

Feels a bit like Lime Rock really, with some bits of Riverside thrown in for good measure.

Tom.

Seems you can do a whole lot of corner cutting here , can almost straight line the esses and a few others give a big advantage if you do a bit of lawn mowing . (my times are still cr*p though)

Wonder if there are penalties for going green ?

Are you asking me to re-enable the checkpoints?  ;D

Nah, just run through the race replay 18-19 times, watching it from every driver's onboard camera and observe who's cutting with more than 2 wheels.  ;D

Moderators torture  ;D I might just randomly ban people as the whim takes me  ;)

Ban for life?  :o

Maybe dig out the old Cooper Norton for this race then , if it will pass scrutineering  ::)

Don't think it will Bernie! It might need some TLC...

(http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/3624/rusty2.th.jpg) (http://img139.imageshack.us/i/rusty2.jpg/)

Tom.

 :D :D :D

My style of car,  why waste good polish   ;D

Did some laps of VIR to learn the track and develop a setup. Very tricky track, would take some time to get some consistency. Tires overheating excessively is also a big problem.

I suggest taking a Riverside or Bremgarten setup, and adapting the cambers, tire pressures and gears to it. The rest should work quite well as it is. At least mine does.

Here's a lap I uploaded to Youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USfApwBHtjM

Will post a setup, replay and maybe a track guide later on the Waza blog.

Thanks Hristo, good to see if not only me who has problems at some parts of the course :) . Still, gotta figure out where you get those extra 2 seconds from though...

BUT... How do you put up with that Papy engine sound? I'd suggest to visit the GPLEA site ASAP and increase your GPL experience ten-fold!

Tom.

I make that a 1m49 ish lap which puts me about 7 secs behind ( par for the course )   :o

Good to see how much your lines differ from the default groove .

I'm used to the default engine sounds for 67s, so it's rather bad when I don't have that. I actually do have the GPLEA sounds but have reverted to the original for some of the cars, such as the Honda and Ferrari (I think). There are some particular bad properties that some GPLEA sounds have and that's obscuring the tire skid sound too much, being too loud, having either a too low or too high pitch, not looping smoothly or looping some irritating pattern that is really distracting.

The defaults are simple, loop smoothly, mix well with the tire skid sound and have a pleasant pitch. I have very sensitive ears and all that affects my driving by a lot.

@bernie the lap time is in the video description.   ;D

UPDATE: Here's my guide of the track and a ZIP file with the replay and car setup:

GPL Virginia International Raceway Track Guide, Car Setup and Replay (http://racingleague.co.cc/hikiwaza/car-setups/one-lap-around-virginia-international-raceway-in-honda-ra300/)

Huge amounts of chances for me to embarrass myself on this one. It is quite a fun circuit though - I I can get down to 2:05 I'll be happy. Going about 2:09 at the mo but if I push it I find myself exploring Virginia - particularly at the first bend and the bend at the end of the back straight - if I take it easy I lose loads of time <sigh>. Still not having too many problems with tyre temps :D

In all seriousness though, if you cut a corner and gain an advantage in terms of time (overtaking people is not really on my agenda) is that penalised?

It took me a while to adapt to different sounds too when I first tried them after I started driving GPL again, back in 2006. I was having troubles judging the revs in the Brabham BT24 which I used to drive regularly. But it did sound like a V8 rather than some Atari- or SNES-like noise, which I liked as it added to the experience of 'being there'. So I decided to stick with it anyway as I enjoy GPL much more when using them, even if it meant I could be slower. It made for even more satisfaction when I topped the charts regardless :) .

This is really one of the more tricky tracks I've ever driven. I have no idea where H pulls those 2 secs, I seem to be stuck at 1:49.86. But then again I'm no quali man so hoping to be more competitive in the race. This sure is no Tilkedrome though...

Tom.

I love the fact that Tom is stuck at 1:49:86 - I measure my laps in seconds or tens of seconds. It really shows the difference. I know that people say practice practice practice but I feel like I am just ingraining bad habits - I miss an apex run wide, hit the grass and spin. Cure is hit the apex properly but what I end up doing is going in more cautiously and staying on the black by being slower - car is not on the limit so does not rotate so I have to wait to get the power on.

I need a two man mod so that somebody can give me driving lessons :(

At least I am enjoying it.

Don't worry Paul, I managed to get half an hour practice at VIR after our chat last night, and I'm stuck at 2:03. So at least I should have some company. Formation Waza-ing?

Backwards?

Good point and, having gone through the rules, I can't find anything specifically addressing this. This might be because the GPL checkpoints would pick it up and you would be black-flagged. The reason we disable them for online racing is there is a nasty habit of drivers being unfairly black flagged due to warp/server predictions etc.

Clearly the odd mistake is just that but if someone deliberately tried to gain an advantage by corner cutting I would say it was the equivalent of Railriding (rules here (https://www.ukgpl.com/index.php/rules/railriding)) ie 'a driver uses track side objects, typically armco barriers to control the car. Clearly a driver is not using his skill to control the car and will not be allowed to gain an unfair advantage as a result of his actions.'. It being the same thing, ie trying to gain an unfair advantage from the track, I would use that rule and replace 'railriding' with 'corner cutting'. I don't think it's ever been an issue at UKGPL?

I seem to be spending a lot of time on the green stuff but I don't think I am gaining any time :)

The question occurred because I kept needing to recover over the grass and after spinning the only straight line cuts off several tough corners - not intentional but unavoidable perhaps. If I felt I had gained such an advantage would a Stop and Go mitigate any penalty?

BTW I am going to try and host that BREASTS race tonight at 9pm

Well it's a fine line but I think the word 'deliberate' should cover it. If you're recovering from a spin I don't think the cutting of the corner would make up for it and it would clearly be better then rejoining onto the line mid-corner ;)
If it was looking like you were doing it in a calculated manner (a calculated spin? LOL) that would be a different case. Common sense must apply but I wouldn't propose introducing a specific Stop and Go requirement.

The easier way (note I said easier not easy )

Check lap times using GPLRA , anyone lapping less than 1m59s gets banned  :)

I think the only issue with cutting is if you gain time or position on your direct competitors. I also don't really think you can really gain an advantage by cutting at this track, it's rather dangerous to do when you're on the limit and it would compromise your acceleration. I'm finding it easier and more beneficial to stick to the tarmac and only cut with 2 wheels at some spots (which is perfectly legal) as explained in my track guide blog post.

Is that from general motor racing rules as I don't think UKGPL have anything specifically addressing it?

Yes and from past online races in this and other leagues.

I think everybody needs to be tested for band substances prior to qualifying.

The last race (Mexico) seemed to be an abscence of blue flags so the backmarkers wouldn't know if being lapped , at least I never saw any waved  :P

Hope this feature will be included for the forthcoming race or it "could " cause some friction  ::)

Hannah, I've no room in the cockpit for the drum kit, I'll leave on the grid in front of you :)

bernie, the only flags I did see were blue. You should have seen them as you lapped me.

I've been reliably informed that the way GPL works only the driver being lapped would see the blue flags. So in that case Nigel would have seen the flags but Bernie would not.

That's correct, although it looks different on the replay and you can see the flags there.

very droll  ;)

I was kind of hoping for 2:05 ;)

Incidentally all I ever see is blue flags - even in Qually!

Hi Bernie. I had the good foirtune on occasion to twirl spanners for a chap that owned a 750cc Cooper-Norton. Classic case of too much money, no talent.....but it was fun to play with.
Geoff.

where are the servers on Igor?

Thanks,

Malcolm ( hannah )

The IGOR racelists are down/disconnected because they are linked to the GPLRank website which is also down. In the absence of someone setting up the server and posting an IP address here we will just have to wait for details in the chatroom tonight.

I am thinking this is a straight forward.

My GPL is set up for TCP/IP and all I have to do is type in the IP address?

We will not use GEM+2. Correct?

Thanks for replying.

Malcolm ( hannah )

Thats about the size of it and I'm sure the guys in the chatroom will give details and help everybody join the appropriate race.

IMPORTANT NOTE (5/12/10)

As you will be aware the IGOR racelist has been down for some time. This has caused subsequent problems with race hosting involving drivers having to join direct via IP. From the moderators point of view there are extra problems I won't bore you with suffice to say we cannot fire up the remote servers in the usual way.

Tonights event WILL go ahead but launching the servers may take longer then usual so please bear with me if things don't kick off dead on 9pm. I have tested the servers and they are both fine but can take a while to fire up.
A note of the IP's to be used will follow and will also be provided in chat.

Maybe it's a silly question: why it's not possible to host both races with VROC tonight?

Good point, it's 67s so why not

Because it does not work!

It does... I can go right now and host a 67 race on Vroc, and it works just fine.

Sorry, your right it was a problem at my end which is fixed now.

I think that some people do not have VROC wheras all of us can join a '67 race via GPL Multiplayer screen.

Less complex to organise maybe?

If its hosted by VROC you will still have the option to join by IP  :)

Yeah, it doesn't change a thing for those who want to join manually.

The servers are geared up for IGOR and, tbh, I have always struggled to host on VROC - trust me it's safer this way ;)

Anyway IP addresses;

Works (UKGPL_5) : ping myjamesonline.net (currently 90.195.125.43 )
Privateers (UKGPL_T7_2) : 62.149.202.168

To avoid a Bandwidth Mismatch it's best to set your core.ini to 3/84 - 3/384 which should get you onto anything.
Also they probably won't go into the 'newspaper' section at the end of the race until I go in and manually save the replays and shut them. They will just sit on 'complete' at the end.

Screen freeze just 1 second after the start, at the precise moment I crossed the s/f line. Fantastic track...  ;D

yep same here - screen freeze after a few laps...  :cursing:

Early bath for me. Go Bernie!

black screen after maybe 4 laps on back straight   :P


very unusual i get black screen  ???


the track was quite nice flow , a bit shame it ended this way again.

My race ended the old fashioned way, while comfortably in the lead! Argh. However, kudo's to the guy who designed the scoring system, as I still get some points for the effort unlike the scoring system at GPLRacer, where you only score points if you finish. Now I feel only mildly frustrated ;D .

Grats to Evil, Tim and Bartosz.

Tom.

Not a great race.
Excellent start took me from P4 to P2 but mangaed to get the car sideways into T1 which caused some pandemonium behind (SORRY to all concerned) - my replay shows everyone got through unscathed. Managed several trips to scenery in the first few laps - managed to string 10 good laps together but then missed a corner span where Badboood was recovering. Used up my life-line shift R earlier so that was it for me.
For what its worth - great track.

I'll say this now -
if we went VROC I'd resign, believe me it's like stepping in to the middle ages and not worth my hassle - someone said, I forget who it was Mike, if it's not fun I'd walk away. That aside I have both replays saved.

Sneakily took out Billy to gain a place by brilliantly parking where he was spinning...

I was on the point of giving up when I noticed Ronnie had stopped... gave me a fresh lease of life and although I didn't actually manage any laps without investigating the grass, spinning or generally rebuilding the fences i plodded on and finished sixth. My best ever.

Slightly ashamed of it.

Sorry, but I don't understand what all that fuss is all about. VROC is so simple to use and doesn't require to do anything on the server side. For running 67s especially - you just host the race and that's it. Anyone can do it and VROC itself is, excuse me, much better in some departments than Igor. It's a robust piece of software and just because it lacks features doesn't make it bad or unworthy.

Anyway, I don't see a problem joining manually either, as long as the server hosting the race is set up and launched with the help of GEM+ properly.

A great circuit, but a shame that it has some problems with freezes.

I had managed to get a few laps practice in around here before the race and had used Hristo’s video lap as a benchmark. I was certain that his lap of 1:51 was not going to be his best and fully expected him to get sub 1:50. Even so his 1:48 qually lap was impressive.

I was more than content with my 3rd spot behind Tom with a 1:50 lap, especially as I had done that with race fuel on board and although pushing that hard had warmed the tyres somewhat, it was good to know that I had that sort of pace for early in the race if I needed it.

Hristo suffered a freeze as he moved off the grid and I was worried in case it was a Klingon Cloaking move and he was going to re-appear on my bonnet at T1!!. Fortunately, all I could see as we approached T2 was Tommie’s exhausts ahead and Tim’s Brabby nose behind. I knew that it would take a couple of laps to get the tyres settled, if I could afford to relax that much with Tim behind!!
It seems that I had enough pace to keep Tim where I wanted him ( 50 yds or more behind ) but Tom in front was just a fraction faster than I was prepared to risk at this early stage and he crept slowly away. After a few laps Tim must have had a small prob because he dropped back and I was able to relax and concentrate on stringing a few good laps together. The setup was just about perfect and I found that I could comfortably do 1:51 laps without overheating the tyres or the engine.
About half way and I almost caught Tom recovering from an excursion on to the green stuff, but could not quite get hooked onto his tail pipes and he drew away again. Tim dropped further behind and I had quite a lonely race once Tom had crept away over the horizon.
I had a momentary lapse of concentration at one point and had several minor excursions on one lap as I totally lost my rythmn and had to back off slightly and rebuild my pace.
 It was not until the last few laps that I realised that Tom had quit and that I was in the lead !! now I was really stressed and started short shifting to protect the engine and with 7 laps to go I glanced at the fuel guage and wondered if there was enough left in the tank. I monitored the fuel over the next 2 laps and was relieved to find I had a couple of gallons to spare, so I cruised to a very surprising win, but some points that I badly needed after a poor start to this seasons racing.

Grats to all 4 finishers and commiserations to those who got frozen out……
All our victories are belong to Her .

Interesting people talking about running low on fuel and protecting tyres. Thought I might give you a nebie view. Might make you smile.

Joining directly threw me a bit because my default profile has a Lotus! I had also changed PC's and didn't have a setup - ok, I thought, I'll go with the default. Ooooh - hard to drive. Evil mentions that he could comfortable do a 1:51 - I was uncomfortably doing 2:20's. That green tarmac is really slippy! Possibly made one apex all the way round. Did about two laps where I didn't spin or go off at least once :(

Anyway, because I was in a bit of a panic I didn't have time to check out the race distance so I guessed at 22 so I filled up for 20!

Good call because I didn't Shift-R once and finished with 0.4 gals :D

Made up some places due to the misadventures of others and found extra room to let others past by ignoring the track at the esses. This went spectacularly wrong on lap 15 or so when I touched the grass lost it in front of Nigel and span, taking him off in the process, the other two that I had been trying to let through went past without incident. I reversed off and did an immaculate three point turn and rejoined very carefully... only to find my mirrors full of Spinning Billy. Although it was not my fault, he took a wheel off and was out which opened the door for me - opportunity knocked - I was only three laps down. Four immaculate 2:14's later I was in sixth place.

Really crap driving but a huge learning curve and I ended up feeling quite chuffed to have finished. As some of you know I have had a serious illness which is Ok now but it has left me unable to concentrate for long periods. That is more challenging to me in the race than the actual driving. If it was real life I'd get a medical ban!

Well done to the podium and especially my team mate, Nigel for his steady third.

My race started with a problem, while trying to reach the BRM.  I cold gain entry to the track, but get no further.  The wrong pit pass perhaps?  A computer shutdown, a fresh exe, and some general poking and prodding produced results, but there was only time enough for one decent practice lap.

From the rear of the grid, I was briefly entangled in the inevitable brawl, after a lap.  Decided to learn the track better, while watching an occasional car pass by.  

During the second half of the race, I sensed the smell of rubber, coming from somewhere.  This was followed by several unsuccessful attempts, at ploughing the local fields, with the sedatory speed of a tractor.  Ineffective, but on the plus side, I'd ample opportunity to study the local caterpillar population. >:(

With a few laps left, I found myself immediately behind a much improved Hannah, and fighting for 4th place.  There was a coming together at the first corner, when he veered across my path in the braking zone.  Hannah and the caterpillars, got the worse end of things, while I made a stop & go, to even things up, and retook the place, on the last lap.

You will find a gentle wander across the Virginian plain very effective at cooling your tyres - I didn't have any problem at all <ahem>

Another crash, another DNF, but at the end of this race I felt there was more light at the end of the tunnel. For the first time in the 67s, I've finally parted ways with the BRM for now at least, and have taken on the Brabham as my car of choice. This race was more a test session, as out of all the cars in GPL, the Brabham is probably the one I've driven the least.

The differences between the BRM are astonishing! The car feels so much ligher, and it just turned into the corner, though I did find the torque curve of the engine catching me out on a number of occasions. The only downside is I've found the Brabham is a complete sod on cold tyres. I needed a lap to make it somewhat drivable. I made an awful start because of it, and my lead foot at the first corner. After driving the BRM for four seasons, you find your finesse on the pedals is somewhat lacking  ;).

Eventually I got more comfortable with the car, having a nice battle with John, spinning, passing John again and Bob after he spun. For a few laps I was about 10 seconds behind Bartosz, comfortable in 5th, but not able to close the gap. Soon after, I had a massive brain fade, braked too late and spun the car into the haybayles getting trapped, race over. When am I ever going to learn  ::).

Still, I'm going to treat the rest of the season as a test session if you like. With any luck after the new year I'll be returning to my trusty desktop which means I can run GPL in all its glory. I have to say I loved this track. It's a shame so many people suffered screen freezes. For now, it's time to find time to practice in the Brabham or failing that, continue my less-than-stellar driving this season  ;D. See you all at the next one.

Got a good qually lap in for once, a PB too ,  Iv'e no idea how it happened, dont recall doing one lap that felt any good so maybe a good tail wind or warp helped?
With all the excitment I hit the PC standby button ( the one HP placed next to the ESC key on my keyboard ) so instead of entering the nice cosy Virginia pits, all the lights went out,  and there I was sat in a cold dark loft somewhere near Wigan England , all I needed now was a bowl of gruel to make me feel omplete  :-[  After what seemed an age worrying that the race had started without me, I got back in with minuets to spare, "panic slowly chaps"    

Front row alongside Rocket Ronnie felt good , I suprised myself again with making one of my better starts to find myself leading around T1 , around the first lap there was no sign of the persuing pack , my thoughts were I might have disco'd or somehow there had been a pile up . prib wasn't telling me anything but soon I had Nics riceburner showing in my mirrors, Lap 3 I ran wide and both he and Fulvio went through but later on the same lap they both kindly let me through back into the lead again (thanks boys) After that I turned the mirrors round the other way so as to concentrate fully on the road ahead . I think Fulvio and Nic were falling out over who should mount the challenge, Fulvio getting very close at times but then dropping off for some reason .
It seemed a short race to the flag ( did we really run 27 laps ) I couldnt see the pit board properly (pops up just as your concentrating on braking for T1 ) so no idea what laps were left to go and was suprised to see the chequer waved at the finish .

So another suprise and undeserved win for the Soggies,  more thanks to other people's mistakes rather than my own driving ability , but hey,  i'll take it while lady luck keeps smiling this way  :)    

Grats to the podium boys and all who finished , Commiserations to team mate Mike and those who didn't inc. Fabio for getting frozen off at the startline .

Just a word about Poor Ronnie (pistonbroke ) (been there more than a few times myself  ::) ) should have been his race he had the skill and the speed , impressive drive back matey , think you must be drinking alien blood .

A great little track , but the racing line wants re doing , someone ?

I think if Sam gets to grips with the Brabham and coaxes the same level of performance out of that car as he did with the BRM, we had all better polish our mirrors!!!

Sorry to sound like an old whingebag re VROC, I have had problems in the past.
Anyway thinking about it logically and following some feedback it seems we can use it (on T7_2 at least) for 67 and 65 races. I gather 66's are more problematic so we might have to continue joining direct while the IGOR racelist is down. The only issue is that of disabling checkpoints which I gather requires tweaks to the track.ini when not using IGOR.

Congrats to Bernie and the rest of the podium and all who finished. For me this race had everything except a happy ending. The high of qualifying on pole. The low of a typical Brabham start bogging down off the line immediately followed by a shift-R and stop and go before even completing a turn let alone a lap. The high of fighting back from last to second and smelling the exhaust of the leader. The low of an unnecessary downshift and no shift-R to save my race. To be honest it was still great fun while it lasted and I will be back for more. Damn the next race is not until 2011!!!!

Results uploaded and replays in the usual place, any Incident Reports by close of play Friday please.
Seems Fulvio did some qualification in the Privateers but not an issue as he did not start the race.

An inital review of the Privateers Shift/R situation throws up a couple of interesting scenarios;
1) One driver was rather too enthusiastic to pit and seems to have impaled themselves on the pit straight hay bales and taken a second reset to get back out. However the driver then retired within a minute so I would not propose any penalty under these circumstances as it would appear to be a genuine error quickly corrected.
2) The second involves a possible oversight of the 'stop' in 'stop and go', further review is needed.

Tim,
it seems that we had a new driver yesterday evening that set the 2nd place in the Privateers race and earned 41 points... :o :o :o
pls. check the race result and update the standings page accordingly: il_lupo_mannaro should be now at third place with 96 point  ;)

thx in advance

I don't think he can appear in the results unless he registers here at SROU.

EDIT: Ah, never mind me, I didn't notice your sarcasm LOL.  ;D

Oops, all these drivers names don't know how that happened.
Now fixed, apolgies.

NP Tim.
It looks really better now...  ;D

Well, I found myself very comfortable on this track I never tried before last week.

On qualify Ronnie set a Works laptime (did you notice we are Privateers?) while Bernie set exactly my PB

At race start there was some trouble on turn one but I was lucky enough to avoid any contact.

Unfortunately I made some mistakes during the race so I wasn't able to stay close enough to Bernie in order to fight with him for the 1st place.

For me a 2nd place + the 2nd FL of the race: it seems like a deja vù...

BTW I'm quite sure that Ronnie would have won this one without the piston problem happened to his Repco engine.

Grats to everybody raced, to the winner and to the organization.

Long Live GPL, Long Live UKGPL!!

See you all next year at the Glen

Sorry for the no-show guys, had done zero practice before this race and did not feel like joining only to be a chicane. Only so far I can learn the track. I'll take this as one of my "dropped" races since Riverside's two-weekends away.

Grats to evil, shame about the screen freezes. Only seems to be certain tracks though.... weird!

All our victories are belong to her!! ;D ;D ;D

I was on my limit in qualifying but very happy when 1.52 came up. Race pace was always going to have to be slower to survive 27 laps but a poor downshift cost me dear just when I had got back in contention for the lead. It just goes to show, you need more than speed to win in these 67 cars. Great fun though.

Tim - Being a chicane has its benefits :) Fifteen of them to be precise!

Ronnie - you hare, I'm just a big old tortoise ;)

Firstly, I am uber-chuffed to be on the podium ;D It's my best result ever with the 67 beasts and I hope for more to come.
The race itself was a bit of a mixed bag. Picked up a couple of places on lap 1, then was gifted the lead on lap 3, at this point I was loving it.Then I tried to pick up some time taking corners in a higher gear, big mistake. A couple of stupid offs and by the middle of the race I was back to 6th  >:( Five or so laps of trying too hard followed until I settled down and fought back to 3rd. Swapped 3rd for 4th a few times before the end and indeed I was hoping it would be my turn in 3rd at the flag. As it was, with the engine spluttering, I coasted home tired and happy-ish.
I can at last hold up my head in front of HER, with no fear of the kiss of the blade.
Well done to Bernie and Fabio and all who finished, it wasn't a packed grid but there was room for some fun. Commiserations to Ronnie, at that pace he should be in Works ;)

Paul you kicked my ass....again!

WTG Nige!  ;D

Hi, sorry i couldnt participate in this race. Been sick and not been able to do any racing. Hope everyone had a good race. See you on track soon.
 ;)

Only reason I turn up :)

Thanks H, your setup was a big help. Hard luck Paul, a points a point though :)
Go to go get some sleep now, 65 hours awake is long enough.

A pretty disastrous session on a track where I never felt really comfortable (too many treacherous camber changes). I was taking it easy for the first couple of laps but ran wide at speed on the long back straight onto the grass losing steering and braking effectiveness as a result and consequently ploughed into Billy (apologies) on regaining the track. An over enthusiatic  attempt at an SnG necessitated a second SR and subsequent retirement..

Fortunately Bernie was around to preserve the honour of the Soggies and many congratulations to him. :clap:

Had a shocker of a race, couldn’t stop spinning the BRM, finally put it in the hay bales!  Big apology to Rick, watched the replay last night and saw that it was you that I made contact with.  At the time I wasn’t sure if it was warp (but it wasn’t) because it didn’t affect my car at all.  Contact seemed disproportionately harsh for you, flipping your car over.  I was trying to miss you and had lifted to keep to the right as I saw you come back in from the left, but it wasn’t enough.

Quite liked the track but hadn’t done enough practice in the BRM.  At least I know the track for the next one.

Bob.

Get well mate you were missed!

I know how you feel Michael. I found the camber swap at the end of the back straight particularly difficult.

When I came up on you and you were trundling along I was so shocked that I forgot to brake for T1 lol so you may have seen me zoom past and then go straight off!

Hard luck.

The camber swap at the end of the straight I found very easy...

Instead of trying to take it as 2 corners I take a straight line across the first apex aiming for the inside of the tighter right hander.
I don't brake heavily just a a gentle pedal pressure to keep the car settled and ensure the Honda is into 3rd gear as I pass the first apex, look to drop into 2nd just after I cross the high point and then 1st to hook the car around losing speed all the time, aiming to line up with the outside of the hairpin before smoothly accelerating away...............simples  ;D

Moderation now published.

Interesting remark in the privateers mod "risque manouver" - I presume you meant risky Tim? Or perhaps not...maybe we should check the replay, or is it X-rated? :)

LOL - I was using the bit of definition that says 'Hazardous; risky; esp., fig., verging upon impropriety; dangerously close to'. As to being x-rated I have no idea what you drivers may get up to during your racing...  ;D

Have a care sir!  Hannah was the unfortunate offsprung of our tangle. :(

5th - woohoo and only 20 seconds a lap slower than anyone else - the shame :(

You're still not heeding my advice to ignore lap times and focus on other things.  ::) ;)

I am - really, I just can't resist the joke ;)

It is nice to get some points though, however earned.

I wasn't worried about the lap times at VIR, I used it as an extended test session whilst trying to stay out of other people's way (not entirely successfully, sorry, Nige). I am learning quite a lot about how the car behaves but on some tracks I find the Waza a real handful whereas on others it behaves like a pussycat. I still can't get that 'feel' of driving on the edge and pushing it.

I'm still way too cautious and in particular I turn in too late and lose LOTS of speed BUT with all the help people have been giving I feel I am improving.

Actually, as far as lap times go, I don't even look anymore. I am aiming for a feeling of smoothness and un-hurriedness. That seems to produce better laps.

With all due respect to the moderator decision, which I am clearly accepting, on the incident it would not have worked out well for me anyway because, based on the ruling, if I had held the outside line I was going to get smeared off the track anyway because Mad dog would not have been able to hold an inside line around the turn because of his position entering the turn and the speed he was carrying. It would be up to me to hold my out side line and brake harder to avoid an accident even though I was in the lead?

So in the future, learning from this if somebody is coming hard up the inside trying to out brake you for the turn you had better get out of his way and let him go if you are racing for position?

Could this be a scary precedent for the front straight at Watkins Glen?

I tried to make it a Cooper sweep. Apologies to those gaining the one/two in the Cooper.

Thanks,

Malcolm ( hannah )

In my experience , driving etiquette apart , if Maddog makes a move on you its always best to give him some elbow room in the sure knowledge he will always  launch hiself into the boondocks trying to pass you anyway  ;D

Better than him taking prisoners  :o

Joking aside , notice your driving is coming on in leaps and bounds , GPL 67's take more than a good bit of skill to race online with  :)   

Has Billy lost a place or not? Nothing personal Billy, I'm just desperate to get points back on Bernie!

Aha!! a small glimmer of light for student of Waza way. ;D
As you have observed glasshoppa, it smooth and relaxed that get result, not clazy flantic move. ;D maybe there chance you will come to her knee with offering of podium points soon.  :shifty:

Yes Master

LOL Spotted tha t myself  ::)

However if you discount the 2 lowest scores I think you'll find we are level pegged  ;D

That's a far too sensible long term way of looking at things for a short sighted person like myself. But now you point it out, it does makes me feel a lot better about that blown engine.

And the tokens advantage  ?

Seeing Evil talk about "smooth and relaxed" is rather disturbing... Have you ever seen his driving style, Paul?  ;D It's his secret weapon and even I have been put off (read as in gone off/spun) just by focusing my eyes too much on his car.  ::)

I'm saving absolute 10/10ths commitment for when I really need it ....be afraid... be very afraid  ::)

LOL