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I decided to go for some races over there to see what and how they do it. You will find me there under the name Tom Ostry. :angel: "You have to use real names" - pffft! My name's too long and doesn't fit in any form. :D

Anyways, I don't go out on Fridays much: http://www.racedepartment.com/gtr-evolution-racing-club/43819-bmw-m3-gtr-cup-enduro-interlagos-friday-3th-december.html

B'ah, could have made tonights race if it wasnt 90minutes. Ah well, hadnt done any praccy anyway.

Have signed up for Tuesday nights Porsche super cup at the stupendous Algarve Portimao circuit  8) as has TT and JPS so far i see  :) anyone else want to join the fun?

Was going to race at Interlagos tonight in the M3 event, but after a dozen practice laps I decided against it.....ghastly car  :laugh:

Might join you next week at Algarve.

just did a full grid race against the AI with the supercups at Portimao, great fun, super spectacle, its a feast for my old mince-pies  :)

1:49.4 PB for me so far.

Not sure yet, MJ. Have responsibilty to Legzy for the final 2 rounds of GC GT1 Season. I can always sign out of RD.
Defo a problem here with cooling the brakes, also the gearbox is too short. :-\ Softs are gonna be out after two laps and have to try it out with meds. But I made a laptime, errr, somewhat quicker, MJ. :angel: Mailed. :)

I'd like you to do the one you'd enjoy the most TT.
Just let me know which you decide, as I'll probably copy your choice :)

Err you have a free week next week with the Gamerscrib taking a week off. How dare they ;)

Sorry to appear mean but I'd rather not promote Race Department events on this site. They have a very restrictive policy towards us promoting our events there eg deletion  >:(

This thread is here for our benefit Tony, not theirs.
Effectively, they'll be running a test race for our drivers to try this out & feed back if it's worth pursuing.

Lol, Spanner, useful tip. ;) How about an invasion on RD race. :tank:

I agree with Legzy, Tony. We're not running away, just doing a test race on expence of somebody else. :)

Yeah, I guess your right.

As a strong believer in cross-league co-operation/harmony I just feel it's so shortsighted when "fellow" sim-communities delete posts promoting other communities events or treat it as spam. I like the fact that we seem to encourage others coming here to post about their stuff.

I have posted at quite a few other community sites and generally have received a warm welcome. However there are at least two that will delete post's, one doing so with no explanation whatsoever.

Anyway that's my rant over, sorry to go off topic. I'm outta here.

You're also right, Tony. Just a fact that they're :stupid: doesn't change the fact that they're organizing races we might have to anyways. Let's just use them for our purposes and take the knowledga for our needs. That way we can be just as selfishoriented as they are. :angel:

Just a remainder - you need to sign in for the Tuesday race, modified R2P style. C'mon Legzy. ;)

that was mega, really enjoyed it, close intense action throughout.  8)  My only problem was a shocking jerky frame rate here, dont know if it was the track or their dodgy server or one of the telemetry updates ive added recently. ??? Any one else get low fps there tonight?

Great racing though, the porkers were superb at Portimao.  :)

Great stuff indeed. Chris Butcher also gave a good fight, as did Martin with a complicated Finnish name. ;) Hope I didn't come too agressively, MJ, don't know the exact position of these cars by sound yet. Chris spun soon after you, so it's a shame you quit in the second race.  :-\ Well done Ade and GT and a bitch slap light chin tap for those who didn't attend. :wetfish:

This mod is ready to try here. 8)

No practice and a meeting with a few friends down the pub on the way home from work didn't make me any quicker. As a result was over cautious and got rear ended a couple of times early in race 1 then got stranded on the kerb a couple of laps short of the finish. Race 2 was better with some nice chases.

No problems with stutter for me MJ, but I do generally keep my settings on the low side.

I do like this mod, but I also like the GTR2 version at least as much. Just seems to be more feel/control on the edge with the GTR2 vers. but I'd be hard pushed to choose between them.

interesting that no one else had fps issues. Wonder if i boogered my install with some of the telemtry/XD add-ons. Will have to test some other tracks as first time ive encounted poor frames with Evo/race. :-\

Yeah, sorry for quitting out of race 2. I had no intention of doing a second race as had already been glued to the pc for hour and half just for one race, but the action was so good i got enticed into it. Was loving the 2nd race until i got an oversteer tail slapper out of  a slow corner and decided that would do me for the night, but the action was brilliant throughout. Shame we couldnt run a supercup league here as it makes for a great one make series.

http://www.racedepartment.com/race-racing-club/44674-porsche-mobil-1-supercup-zandvoort-tuesday-december-14th-2010-a.html#post687337

Tuesday. Not sure, might still stay with GTR2 GC.

An opportunity to try out my newly acquired Race On and STCC package.......

http://www.racedepartment.com/race-racing-club/45800-s2000-jyllandsringen-sunday-january-2nd-2011-a.html

Jyllandsringen is a very tight and twisty track with some nice camber changes which should suit these cars. I've been building up my Brownie points, so I'm hoping to sneak away for an hour to do this Sunday morning.

jeesh...more touring car action  ::) very popular though, already 21 drivers signed up !  Think i'll save my brownie points for the 2hr LM race sunday evening!

Something to think about. :)

GT Pro Season start @ RD (http://www.racedepartment.com/race-racing-club/45967-gt-pro-gt1-virtual-season-starts-abu-dhabi-tuesday-january-4th-2011-a.html#post702680)

ooh yeah that does look good  8)  think i am free that night too  :)

Nothing else to do here on a Tuesday night... think I might well sign up for that

Will I be able to do it with my Evolution disc?

AFAIK this will be GT1 mod, so I don't see any problems here, Legy. I sent a pm to Hugo how to enlist as the thread is closed. Says he's still working on it - whatever he means by that. ::) Gotta keep an eye on this.

Happen to know where I can download that from?

It's not set yet, nothing to download. :(

Being that they quote the class as GT pro which is a standard class in game i'd imagine it uses the standard cars.

yeah i read it as using the standard GT Pro class that comes with Evo as stock, so we should all be good to go. :) How about planning an online praccy sesh before the event? Though no idea how or who would host  ??? (or do they have a praccy server set up?)
Ive signed up, dont know why you said thread closed TT, it isnt !!

Nice line up  8) 60mins race too!

Class: GT Pro
Practice starts @ 19:00 GMT
Qualify starts @ 20:00 GMT (hotlap)
Warmup starts @ 20:10 GMT
Race: starts @ 20:15 GMT (60 minutes)
Weather: local weather

Briefing
All tracks are the same as the real FIA GT1 Championship (except race 8 and 10). There will be an automatic rolling start with a mandatory pit-stop.

Sign-up format
Driver name: Your name

Tracklist

1. Abu Dhabi | 4-1-2011 | Winner
2. Silverstone | 11-1-2011 | Winner
3. Brno | 18-1-2011 | Winner
4. Paul Ricard HTTT GT | 25-1-2011 | Winner
5. Spa-Francorchamps | 1-2-2011 | Winner
6. Nürburgring | 8-2-2011 | Winner
7. Algarve | 15-2-2011 | Winner
8. Pace park | 22-2-2011 | Winner
9. Interlagos | 1-3-2011 | Winner
10. Sebring 12h (2 hour enduro) | 8-3-2011 | Winner

This looks rather spiffing too....

http://www.racedepartment.com/race-racing-club/45802-formula-masters-spa-franchorchamps-thursday-6th-january-2011-a.html

could be something to do on a thursday when/if P&G goes every other week  :(

GT Pro season looks good....I may well sign up for this.


You'll need Race On for this one MJ. May as well grab STCC in a bundle from Steam while you're at it  ;)

It was closed at the time, MJ - hence my pm to Hugo. :)

okay, just done some laps at Abu Dhabi  :)

2:10.4 Aston Martin
2:11.3 Vette C6R
2:12.1 Gumpert.

Did more laps in the Aston hence probably why quicker time and never ever driven a Gumpert before!.

These GTP cars are mega in Evo, listen to them from external replay..the finest engine sounds ive ever heard in a race sim  8) Sound wicked in-car too with the volume cranked up  :) Loving the extra ffb effects too.
All bodes well for GTR3 when it finally arrives if they can combine all these great features/candy with the endurance racing elements of GTR2. Why the heck did they leave out working headlights and darkness is a mystery to me!  ???  The italian makes are conspicuous by their absence too  :P

C6R 2:08:827. :)

Quali setup:   :wacko:  (http://www.humyo.com/DzKHPZb/q.svm?a=9A622B4tB8k)

Time-trial:   :wheelchair:  (http://www.humyo.com/DzKHPZb/truetom%20-%202_08_827.ta?a=Grv6VrKYQ2k)

Looks like MJ needs to pull his finger out :laugh:

Nice time TT, i only did about 10 laps in the aston and half that in the other two cars, with untried setups, so no surprise TT is quicker than me ! ...besides his missus lets him play for hours !  :P

Interesting track for today's race:  :scooter:  (http://www.racedepartment.com/race-racing-club/45868-new-year-kick-off-wtcc-87-rattlesnake-point-saturday-january-1st-2011-a.html)

It won't let me sign up for the series ( I.e. I can't post in that thread), any ideas what I have to do?

Are you a licensed member?

http://www.racedepartment.com/misc.php?do=form&fid=1

I filled mine in yesterday....still no response yet.
When I PM'd Hugo today, he said I needed to be a licensed member before I could put my name down for the series. (I hope they accept me soon....places are getting short)

Thanks guys, I'm now waiting in the same boat as Lazlow :)

Be prepared for some pretty ruthless racing at RD and a fair bit of bad atmosphere if tonight's experience is anything to go by. I bailed out after witnessing some dreadful driving in race 1 and in the first few corners of race 2. A shame as there are also some good and fair drivers there.

Well, I can't really complain. I had both good races, even if there was some frantic action and door to door paint rubbing - I like it. :) Can't say I saw any unfair behavior, only too much chat of some spoiled children. :P And yes, some not so polite answers to perfectly legit questions. :-\ But all in all, I like that site and races.

in the few races ive had there with the Porsche super cup most of the drivers were pretty decent as well as blinking fast, but there were one or two prize-A tw*ts on occasion who would dive for an apex no matter what the outcome or chance and happily take you out. I would hope a GT1 series would be fairly professional as they have an incident reporting process with quite strong punishments i believe.

managed to break into low 2:09's eventually. 2:09.1 PB in the Aston  :)

Signed up...c u on track 8)

 :thumbup1:

how did you manage to get in Laz? Saw there was a sell out 28 drivers listed !!  :o

Should be an intense race around Abu Dhabi with a full grid like that!

Hope the p/w is still winter...d ?

Had a superb race here tonight, really enjoy hustling around these GT cars with a full 28 car grid race on a tight and challenging street circuit. Was first long distance race ive had with Evo so was a bit of a learning curve but i thought it was an excellent endurance race.
Ran 10th for most of the race and feeling chuffed with myself. However as usual the pitstop god kicked me in the goolies...based on TT's sage advice about having aero fixed in the pre-set pit choice  ::)  :laugh: and i exited the pits down in blinking 17th place.
Took 19 secs out the guys ahead in final third of race but one of them decided he didnt like me overtaking him with 1 lap remaining and took me off at T1  >:( but i finished 16th in the end.
These GT1 cars are cracking, sound and look superb and the racing was fast and furious. Looking forward to the rest of the series.  8)

Would have finished top 10 if not for that stop.  :angel:

Me and TT are signed up for next weeks race at Silverstone GP  8)  anyone else?  Laz?  16 drivers already signed up.  :)

lol, I can't find it on their calender ???

http://www.racedepartment.com/race-racing-club/46371-gt1-virtual-season-silverstone-tuesday-january-11th-2011-a.html

only a handful of spaces left folks !  :o Silverstone GP will be a right blast in these powerful GT1 cars with the improved ffb  :) 

Grid is fully booked now...28 drivers and 4 reserve ! 5 days before the race was even due  :o  and we cant get 15-20 drivers together for a gt race here most of the time ...probably because we are clinging on to ye olde GTR2 and a fudged old car set ::)

Sorry MJ. :( Some small consolation is the confirmation of other drivers about the chaotic start. That clump of Mr.Beans really don't know how to do a start after formation lap. >:(

Anyways, a new race looks tempting: Pro class @ Brno (http://www.racedepartment.com/race-racing-club/46868-gt1-virtual-season-brno-08-tuesday-january-18th-2011-a.html)

Am signed up TT  8) Lazlow, Legz anyone else? your missing out on some action packed races that look and sound the bizz  :)

Probably not mate, I did some PnG at No Grip last week (with a few others from here).

Glad to hear the organisers have responded to the sloppy formation laps in the first two races. Now its a proper 2 by 2 staggered formation with the lead car controlling by pit-limiter  :)  The moderators will also be monitoring the start process for any numpty behaviour...so watch yourself TT  :laugh:

 :-[ I'm still embarased but I don't think anyone of the sane mind and normal behaviour would slam down the brakes the way some did. >:( T1 winners, the bunch of them.  :-X  Hope we can do better now. Should UKGTR demand some patent rights for the start procedure or some such? :P 

**New race has been announced...sign up quick or be disappointed.**
http://www.racedepartment.com/race-racing-club/47259-gt1-virtual-season-paul-ricard-httt-gt-tuesday-january-25th-2011-a.html (http://www.racedepartment.com/race-racing-club/47259-gt1-virtual-season-paul-ricard-httt-gt-tuesday-january-25th-2011-a.html)

Am signed up thanks. Paul Ricard..30 GT1 cars...ooh yeah  8)

just to wet the juices:-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Zs2d9CSB04

 8)

Well i blame you lot for not highlighting the RD races soon enough :P

I'd already decided to carry on doing the tuesday iR races when someone higlighted RD.

Come on Spanner, you know iR is :yawn: good for hotlapping only. As soon as you race somebody one is out. And I mean race, be close, force him, nudge him, scare him! All I was ever afraid in iR was that somebody will go off 'cause of me, so I prefered to let him pass. Racing? :whistling:
Anyways, I'll get my portion, here or elsewhere. :(

Finished? ;D

Erm, sorry, it's hard when PC crashes. :P

NAGP ALMS series comes to RD soon using GTREvolution  :drool:

http://www.microsofttranslator.com/bv.aspx?from=&to=en&a=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.racedepartment.com%2Ftrue2life-racing%2F46216-development-nagp-2007-2009-alms-gt-series-possible-2010-gt1.html

Told you we should have used it, i will be racing in this for sure as long as the day and time fits.

And your reading this through microsoft translator for what reason, lol, struggling with your english!!!


Err GT1's to include a Mustang, Dodge Charger and Dodge Challenger ??? Interesting group!

:lol:
Was thinking: "Wow, is MJ really what he says he is?" :blink:

Lol  ;D  its through Translator because thats the only sneaky way i can get past our firewall/IT restrictions at work. Any website with the word 'race' in it is blocked  ::)

Despicable. :-X

Nurburgring this week in the GT1 (GTP) class  8) Am signed up  :)

Corking race again tonight !  8)  Me and TT are getting quicker over at RD  :)

Qualied 6th, finished 10th...after, yes you guessed it...a slow pitstop which dropped me from 4th to 13th  ::) fought my way back to 10th in a photo finish.

TT finished 6th i believe  :thumbup1:

Still loving this GT1 series with full grids, quick drivers, great tracks and lovely jubbly gfx and sounds. Jump in, the waters lovely  :)

Lol, MJ, I set everything up and then just pressed Enter even before I stopped. ::)
Finished 5th. :) Got some places through consistency and some through being pesky. :D Good stuff. 8) Wish more of you would come and test these truly wonderfull beasts. Still waiting for some decent  Sport class race, I think this class would be most enjoyable to race, same as GT2s in GTR2. :)

I hear on the grape vine that we will be doing our own Evo races soon 8)

Cool, I hope the GT Sport class (hint). ;)

So you get other people to read the threads for you?  ;)

Last chance for this season. :)

http://www.racedepartment.com/race-racing-club/49898-gt1-virtual-season-2hr-sebring-tuesday-march-8th-2011-a.html

Not sure yet whether this is a new season start or just a one off race, but should be good:-

http://www.racedepartment.com/race-racing-club/50794-gt-pro-monza-1970-tuesday-march-22nd-2011-a.html

My Steam still plays it's own games, so...  :(

Idea for tonight: Sport class @ Estoril (http://www.racedepartment.com/race-racing-club/51396-gt-sport-estoril-tuesday-april-5th-2011-a.html)  :)
 

Go on then TT....I'll see you there.

I can't connect to their server TT.....I think they are running an outdated server :P

Seems like you were able to after all. Congrats for pody. :)

as hardly any racing going on here lately  :'(

RD appear to be continually running some decent 'Race/Evo' races each week. One every night in different classes. WTCC monday at Pau, GTsport at Oschersleben tues, GTPower pack Beemers at Valencia weds.

http://www.racedepartment.com/race-racing-club/

And actively advertising other leagues is going to improve matters? :P

You not joining us for GTR2 F1'88 at Brno on Tuesday (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=9190#event2623) then MJ? ???

A driver of your ability would probably be able to slot straight into the McLaren/Ferrari in this handicapped style event ;D

there is method in my madness.  

1) there are fuller grids there at the moment for GT and TC races using Evo/Race
2) if i cant race my regular racing buddies here, i'd like to see them there in the same races, and no-one here is running regular Race/Evo events.
3) the more of us that appear in their races and show our decently paced and clean racing, the easier it is to entice some of their drivers over into our league. I've already had offline comments from one or two drivers there who commented that its nice to be able to race someone close without being nerfed off.
Good promo for our league wouldnt you say? its all about awareness   :)

Re: the F1 mod, no not for me thanks. I just havent got time to spend ages setting up an F1 car and its yet another tangental distraction from any gt racing here  :(

im signed up for the GT club race at Oschersleben this eve if anyone wants to join me.  :)

Didn't you basically right off GTR EVO for a couple of years before trying it & going all weak at the knees for it? Maybe you're missing out on something else even better again here :-\

Didnt realise we were called GTsimracing.org.uk  :-*

Seeing as it has seemingly slipped under my radar...............

Congratulations to Spanner who has become Race07 Director  8)

Welcome to the trials and tribulations of League creating.

Now all you have to do is please all of the people, all of the time.

Good luck  ;)

I really should have announced this shouldn't I  :-[

I'm pleased to hear you've taken on the mantle Spanner and that we can all look forward to more Race07/Evo events. I'm happy to help out in any way I can, as I know others will be too.

Once again, congratulations and I wish you all the best with it.

huh?!...lol, is this the same spanner who is seemingly negative about GTR-Evo ?  :-X   As for GTsimracing...it was pretty much all we raced here up until iR reared its ugly head  :P

and yes legz i was one of the not that impressed brigade early on with Race. I never tried evo as i foolishly relied on someones comments about it on here and missed out on a year or so's good racing with it. It may be my newer rig also having something to do with it also, as to me it just looks stunning in full detail & shadows etc...especially compared to....well you know the rest  ;) oh and did i say the ffb is also much better?  :laugh:

Really? :o ;)

Thanks guys, will take me a little while to work out the organisational side of things but please bare with me.

MJ, thats Race 07...not GTRevo lol. Personally, i prefer GTR2 to Evo, but i do enjoy, along with many people, the Touring cars and with Goldtop not able to enjoy them i thought i'd pick up the mantle.

Knowing there are others far more vocal about Evo than i (every other post!), I thought i should plan to run a series of Evo races as well which we had started doing on wednesdays anyway to try and please others and alow them to enjoy evo (take note). I had originally planned for one long wtcc type series.

You know MJ rather than moaning about what others are organising maybe you put you hat in the ring.

your the one bleeding moaning mate, all i do is say how good GTRevo is !  your like a flipping troll following my posts around. Why the hell are you and legz even posting in this thread if you have no intention of racing over at RD ?..other than to troll that is  ::)

Anyway, had a great GT club race with my new european buddies over at RD  ;) ...except in the 2nd race where some guy managed to nerf me 3 times :laugh: Tough close racing with 16+ evenly matched cars  :)

22 drivers already lined up for a race at Valencia this evening using the new BMW M3 GT2 from the GTpower update, if anyone wants to race their new toy  :)
http://www.racedepartment.com/race-racing-club/53249-wed-april-27th-2011-gt-power-bmw-m3-gt2-valencia-long-4.html

doubt i can be there as raced last night, but will see.

the new M3 GT2 is good car to drive and the sound is very cool too, i like it.
i was yesterday in this RD race, but short before race did start, i had to leave server (wife was comeing home to early :o)
quali laptimes was very close, can be good races with this car perhaps.

servus

yeah i like the car too Berger, its nicely done.  :) Obviously popular with the big turn out!  Another race lined up already next week at the Nordschleife  :o

Im waiting for a zonda race  8)

ooh this looks rather tasty  8)

http://www.racedepartment.com/rd-gt-championship/53303-race-department-gt-championship-s4-league-format-information.html

anyone fancy it?  I might enter as a single driver, though if TT or anyone fancies making a team up?

5 90min races running on a monday night using the BMW M3 GT2 car. They had 62 drivers last time..already 51 signed up this time!

I can do Mondays, though one series car seems a boring. Can you find the way to get us on a list? :)

P.S. MJ, if you would be my teamie, don't you think you should embrace me as a (Steam) friend first? ;)

true, i would rather it was a pure GT class with different makes, but should imagine a one make series using a good car will make for some excellent close racing as well as its endurance factor with the 90mins. Some nice tracks too.  8)
Exciting looking series, will add us both then TT as a team  :)

Thinking along lines of also promoting this site, would anyone be prepared to knock up a simple legends skin (blue&orange) for me and TT with some nice prominent Simracing.org.uk logos on ?

Re: steam, thought i had already accepted your invite as friend?

yep checked, you already on my friends list TT  :-*

No worry about the skin, simbin havent released the template for the new BMW anyway  :(

me and TT are added as the Legends team. Anyone else up for it? 57 entries already! should make for excellent close GT racing action and its on a monday night which doesnt clash with any Srouk events.  :)

As you've mentioned steam. I'm sick of having messages pop up as invites to be a friend at steam every time I log on to my computer. I'm a member of the communities I wish to be a member of and don't wish to be a member of some faceless organisation like steam. No offence to anyone who's invited me, but I don't do friends  >:(

Well that's my Monday morning rant out of the way....I'm back at work tomorrow so can direct my rants at the usual audience  :)

I don't get invites  :(

But then my Race 07 has stopped working since the last update and so far nothing back from steam support.

Try exiting steam and then load it again at your tool tray (if you haven't done so already). Usually does the trick.

Would be helpfull to know your Steam name. Mine is Turetom64. Yes, the right one is Turetom64. :D  Fingers quicker than my brain. ;)

i know im like an annoying Dog barking on his own in the garden  ;D

but if you needed any encouragement...this is what awaits in this championship

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeUaOpqdiyA&feature=related

and thats just for pre-qualification!  You only have to do a couple of laps here and compare with that vid and you see what a great job they did on this track. Class  8)

Never liked the Nordblabla so I'll suffer through pre-q in hope to get some racing, not hotlapping. :(

heh, by its very nature, 'qualification' is hotlapping !  ;)  Pretty sure the 5 rounds of races at decent racetracks with a full grid will give us plenty of racing  :)
Though i admit the full Nordschleife/Nurburg Endurance layout is a phenomenally tough track to use for a pre-qualification to the series! It will naturally favour the ring-lappers rather than normal racers so not sure why they chose it.  :-\

Didn't know you can have headlights on in Race. ???

from rules for prequali (http://www.racedepartment.com/rd-gt-championship/53874-race-department-gt-championship-s4-pre-qualification-nuerburgring-endurance-layout.html):

- switch on your headlights (no flashing) when you are in a hotlap

headlights are present, always have been...they just dont throw a beam  ::) thats got to be one of the stupidest things Simbin left out considering you can actually turn them on and they are visible on the car model  >:(

Got down to 8:40 if that's worth anything. Then got sickened by it and left. I'll never understand that German obsession by that track. :thumbdown:
Can't say I really like the car, it feels either understeary bulldog or a snappy nervous poodle.  :-X

8.35 for me  :)  i think the car is great, handles very well i thought. From a man who drives the Marcos online, your handling statement is rather odd!  ;D

Nordy is great, just needs a gazillion laps to learn all those corners. Amazing how much of it is actually near flat out!  I enjoyed the challenge.

Still 1st round next week, Nurburg GP...great race track  8)  Two servers running full with live commentary and feed  :)

 ;D

Gotta try the car on a normal track and see how it goes. :)

I have a 3 hour fun race (http://www.racedepartment.com/race-racing-club/57663-500k-enduro-gtp-gts-bahrain-saturday-july-2nd-2011-rescheduled.html) today. Anyone up for it? :angel:

would love to have joined but got bbq's and birthdays galore this weekend, so no chance.