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Race 1
Practice 1: 19:20 (30 mins)
Qual 2: 19:50 (10 mins)
Race: 20:00 (20 Minutes)
Cars allowed: Alfa Romeo GTA Volumetrico


Race 2
Practice 1: 20:25 (30 mins)
Qual 2: 20:55 (10 mins)
Race: 21:05 (20 Minutes)
Cars allowed: Porsche 914


Track: Estoril
Time of Day Setting: 13:00
Weather: Dry
Start: Standing

Tyre wear: 1X
Fuel consumption: 1X
Pit-stops: None required

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Password: see above (#post_event_password)


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Let's try dual sprints again. I was working the last time around and missed the event and I think it was Clive who suggested we have another go at this. 2 quick sprints usually work well because most of the race action takes place within the 1st 10 laps of a race. These high action sprints should make a nice compliment to the 60 minute strategy races. Please stick around for both events. You won't want to miss the action from the race 2. Get a 2nd chance to beat your rivals and improve upon the 1st race. If you crash out early, continue on or escape to watch other battles on track until the 2nd event starts. I'm sure all of us can learn from watching the in-car and TV action. Race 2 quali session will take place immediately following race 1. If you disco or miss race 1 you can easily join race 2.

Both races use the same stock track - Estoril, but use different vehicles. Race 1 is the Alfa Volumetrico and Race 2 is the Porsche 914.

Wouldn't mind a few minutes between races as I need to get out to Windows and then come back in again to avoid a screen freeze or game crash.

Tempted for Porsche 914, but I doubt I'll be sober enough to race (having a New Year Party after work). :wacko:

Nice one Mike.
I believe I can attend to this one (if my GT5 let me...)  ;D

Did I fall asleep and miss Christmas?  Or is this New Year in step with Legzy's Christmas; which was yesterday?

 :D Just a New Year Party with friends from work, held on that day. Don't you have the same custom? :)

We have our New Year Party on 31st Dec through to 1st Jan.

Every year I get shoved out in the cold for "First Footing" then just as get interested in watching everybody's fireworks they drag me back in again.

There is a 30 minute practice session between the end of race 1 and quali for race 2. Use this time to practice the 2nd car, restart your computer, top off your beer, what ever you need.

Buggar, buggar .... I really like the Alfas in P&G, and I prefer sprint races. Unfortunately there's no way I can make this one, but I hope sprints will return  ;D

Stig / Hotkeys

the Volumetrico is a new one on me apart from a bit of a dabble when I first started with PnG so it's a bit of a learning curve.

Just had a quick bash and I will open the bidding with a 2:03.8xx, any advance on that?  My front left tyre looks good for about four laps.

I'm being a taxi so will miss this - small chance I may make race 2  :)

Fancy a go at this as its almost the right format for me, just leave out the "dual" bit and you're there :) However, is it just me or is the Alfa cwap/broken? I might have been driving SGT/iracing for to long and lost any little PnG skill I had but the way this thing squirrel's around (i.e veers and jags around willy nilly) on the brakes leaves me frustrated as hell and it ain't fun. (Might be my memory but I'm sure I've had the same moan about the Alfa previously and been told its realistic or something ::)).

The Porka is a different matter :)

The brakes into T1 are a bit of an issue.  Backend behaves as though it's on castors.

I've been winding the brake ballance forward and will soon have no rear brakes at all.

Trouble with it is, it locks the brakes real easy. I have set mine to 68/32 & 80% & also turned the brake sensitivity right down in the controller setup, still tricky but drivable. Best lap so far 2.02.6.

I too moved the brake pressure forward for the Alfa while testing. Stiffen the front bump and reduce rear rebound a bit too which will resist the nose from diving and as a result, increase weight on the rear wheels.

Unfortunately, I will miss the dual sprint race again due to client activities in the city. Matt is also working away from home. Legzy will hold the admin torch for the event. I really want to try one of these so I'll cook something up again for next week. Let me know how it works out.

Mike, there isn't a password assigned for this event. Is this deliberate?

No. I must have forgot to add. Fixed. Thanks for the heads up.

Haven't really got time to race here tonight (maybe just the first one) but will be dropping in to test my PnG setup, newly installed for the Christmas do.

Dang Phil makes a rare visit to PG land, an I will miss it!
Can't do starter duties as my Hotel seems to be blocking required ports. am activating plan b, oh, no plan c err d errr "E"

How many amoeba does it take to change a light bulb........
one.  err no 2, err 4 no 16 ah 32....

As Matt is currently staying at her Majesties pleasure (so it appears) the results will be somewhat late, unless Legzy is good enough to oblidge that is  ;)

That's the quite awful "Alfa V" race out the way.

Lets hope Clive cheers up & comes back for Race 2 in the 914 ;)

Well that was more fun than I thought it would be....even in the suicidal Alfa. Had a nice battle with Legzy in race 1. I was scared to get too close in the braking points as our cars both seemed to have a mind of their own  :laugh:

Race 2 was also good fun in the slightly better behaved 914. Had a nice race with Clive as we were quicker/slower in different parts of the track. My back end was a bit loose under power and I kept spinning out on exits which caught me out towards the end. Then I thought the race had ended and put it in the gravel at T1 with 1 lap still to go :wetfish:

Congrats to both podies  8)

cruddy disaster night for me. The Alfa volumetrico was diabolical, terrible understeer and the worst brakes on a car since the model T  ::) Easily the worst sim car ive driven in P&G.
Looked forward to the 914 but kept making errors in qualy in that nasty uphill chicane. Got stuck behind Clive early on after his demon start off the line, but he kept braking like a granny  ;D and we gradually fell back from the pack. In trying to avoid his rear end i had a half spin and that effectively ended any chance of a good race, but i charged on anyway, got past GT and Clive when they made errors. Was all set for 6th place finish when i got a wobble in last flipping corner and Cliver stormed back past to nick it  :'(

Can't really say that that was a lot of fun.

Two cars that I don't have decent setups for and/or just can't drive and a circuit that I haven't used either.

As MJ has pointed out, I didn't have a clue where to brake with the Porsche, especially coming after the Alfa which was trying to swap ends every time that the brake pedal was touched.

Fantastic pace from those at the front though.

Don't like little cars.

Gotta agree about the Alfa. It has the most random braking of any car in PnG, I swear I was braking at the same point each time but it was doing different things, i.e. veering this way and that, each time. Very disconcerting/frustrating. That said, I quite enjoyed the race where API kept me more than honest all the way through. More of a battle with our machinery than each other but interesting all the same :)

I find the 914 very setup dependent and luckily have a base one supplied by PH that works very well for me. Hence I was fast out of the gate. Had some great fine dicing with Manteos, Legzy, Ade and API. Highlight was last lap fight with Manteous where we went side by side for 4 or 5 corners and I held a lovely slide when we touched. Great fun.

Even with cwap cars, it was great to return home to PnG and I look forward to more fun.

As for the format, I'm not sure that it offers much more over a single spring race but its fun anyways. One thing that did occur to me was a superlap quali session, i.e. one fast lap quali. Can we do one of them? Not all the time of course but it would spice things up now and again.


 

Big thanks to Legzy for stepping up at the last minute to do server duties as I was in prison... :laugh:
Mike or I will figure how to do the results eventually. I can probably post replays if nothing else.

Enough people have mentioned the Alfa being tough particularly under braking that it must be so.
I have used the Volumetrico before a couple of times and found it odd, but quite drivable.
If I can get it round Mosport then anyone can here I would think. I seem to remember having to do
an extreme setup,like hard as poss front and loads of front brake bias. I find the IROC Piggy to be way
more "wander around the track", I struggle to keep that in a straight line. Driving it is like herding cats
on ice.

I guess I'm gonna put aside P&G for a while. This season, everything-and I mean everything-happened to me. I was really looking for these two races, mainly because it was at my home track and because the cars are two of that I like more to drive. Yes!
Despite no practice at all and only 2 laps of qualy, I was happy.
Good start and 4th place chasing the top 3. At 3rd corner I was hit hard at the back, managed to keep the place although lost contact with top 3. And now another odd situation to add to the 3228 previous odd situations this season...the hit at the back damaged my steering... ::) (another reason to prefer GTL)  8),
but ok, lets carry on, even so, I was driving at Ade's pace, so it wasn't that bad. At lap 3 (I guess) my PC froze.  >:( When it defroze, I was at 9th place racing at Saturn or maybe at Darth Vader's native planet. The graphics were mad and the only thing I could see right was the cars, I even managed to overtake Mark. But the HUD, track, dashboard, sky and stands were all wrong and with wrong colours, madness!
So, I quit.
Then, while waiting for the 914 race, I grabbed the PS3 and GT5....  :P guess what, the time passed by like a lightning and when I went to P&G lobby, second race started already.
The positive side of all this is that GT5 is getting all my little spare time now and I'm enjoying like mad.  :D

Congrats to all and see you at GTL and RACEON...oh and at GT5 online too.  ;)

I have to agree that probably P&G v2.1 needs to be "refreshed". In this sense I hope the GTLW won't delay so much the exit of the 3, cause the P&G 2.1 is losing a bit of "appeal" in every league I race at the moment.

Despite of this yesterday I had a lot of fun especially in race 2 with the 914, perfect car to have some good duels on track!

In race 1, I was without a single lap of train, and I really hate the Alfa Volumetrico, however I managed to take an unexpected 4th place. I was too quite til the 3rd turn, but I braked too late at the upward bend, and I tapped Paulo, damaging both the cars. Sorry :(...
During the race, I had some duel, and after I understood a bit better the track, I started to come back til I reached Clive. At the end of the straight of the 2nd sector I totally lost the control of the car under braking, sending Clive in the sand. I saw that he abandoned the race, so I decided to follow him pushing esc.

Race 2 was much more funny! I had a lot of duels during the first laps, and fore some good luck I was leading at some point. After a contact with ade (thx for waiting :)) I went in 4th position, but the guys in front were engaged in some epic battles, and they wasted a lot of time with some mistakes. I reached again Legzy and Ian, and we was 4 car in a really small gap. Fantastic last laps with Legzy & Ian, in which we were side by side for at least 4 corners, til the brake at the end of the staright of the second sector, in which I decded to defend the inside line, but I was "forced" to open the gas some moments later than Ian, cause even Legzy was defending the inside.
Ian managed to complete that great overtake, and I had to be satisfied of the 4th position. However it was a great race. Thx for the fun guys :)

Cu in 2 weeks. Bye bye :)

It sounds like the 2 race format allowed everyone the opportunity to battle with others on track (well maybe not PR because he was busy playing arcade games). If you missed out on a good battle in race 1 then race 2 presented a new opportunity.

I really like Ian's idea of a single lap quali where everyone will have their eyes on you. Imagine the pressure of only 1 lap and all eyes are on you. You guys know how much I like to challenge the group. If I'm not working in the city, then let's try this next week. We'll do 1 long quali session where everyone has 1 opening lap and 1 flyer. Then we'll do a quick 20 minute sprint. It will be difficult to estimate the amount of time necessary to run the quali session so I'll leave plenty of time. We'll likely end it early and move to the next session via the admin.

I'll prepare another dual sprint as well in case I need to work in the city. I'll also work on the results for this round later this afternoon after work.

The hope is the last to die  ???

In 1970, Alfa Romeo created an evolution of the GTA Junior 1300, hoping to continue its competition success in the 1300cc class. The car now carried wide wheelarch extensions, 13-inch wide rims and tyres, and a wider track. At the same time, a new model with bigger capacity was created for the new 2000cc class, based on the 1750 GTV model with the same capacity engine (1779 cc), later bored out close to 2 liters (1985 cc) hence the "maggiorata" addition to the GTA initials. The main visual difference can be seen in the four front headlights and revised cockpit. The GTLWorkshop has modeled and reproduced both variations with historical precision and great attention to detail, which together with our brand new physics, produces an amazing driving experience.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjYHUR-j9lo&feature=player_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjYHUR-j9lo&feature=player_embedded)

This should be a bit better than the Volumetrico ;)

It sounds like the GTLW is getting close to V3.

Having watched the video I can see that the Alfa is actually designed to swap ends at the corners.  ::)

I think I must be the only one who likes the Alfa! The thing I find odd with P&G is that some of the cars seem to behave differently on some people's PCs to others. Yeh the Alfa is a little tricky but much easier to me than the Porsche 906/8 which is just uncontrollable on the brakes & the IROC which I find almost undriveable. Yet others love these two cars.

Enjoyed both races last night, although I made silly mistakes in both which dropped me well down the field. Also liked the format of two short races. Maybe we should run 2 or 3 different P&G series with different formats like Tony is with GTL.

With you Geoffers, I like the Alfa, and struggle big time with the 906

 :lol:

It's not arcade, in fact is more SIM than P&G in all ways. And I play it in a 40" 1080p Samsung TV. The game image quality is outstanding, as the physics. Btw, the online damage (last patch) is brilliant. :yes:

 :jumpjoy:

P.S. my PSN ID: pribeiro66

@ Manteos: I had a 1971 Alfa Romeo 1300 GT Junior. Dark Blue paint. My very first car and I must add that every 3-5 months I had to take it to the workshop to fix the double 2 Webber carburateurs.  ::)
Maybe because I drove it almost at red line revs. Young kids........ :angel:

@ Geoffers: No, you are not the only one to like the Alfa. If you read my post, you will see that I like it pretty much than several cars. My opinion concerning the other cars driving is the same as your's.  :)

@ Mike: I like Ian's idea aswell. One hot lap qualification is perfect. More challenging undoubtadly.
Btw, I hope to see you at GT5 online some day.... :devil:

REPLAYS POSTED

Results included in file, Can probably generate standings for Race1, not sure how to do Race 2 as well.
Watch this space...

Sorry folks couldn't make it, a late afternoon appointment in Taunton was running much later than I'd allowed for so didn't get home - knacker - until late.

It's a matter of taste as ever, but I played GT5 3 days ago, and I have to say that is a big step forward comparing it with the older GTs, especially for the graphic side... it seems real!
On the other hand, I have to say that the physics of the car, are getting a bit more "realistic" than the other GTs, but we are so far from a SIM handling of the car... of course is my opinion.
Comparing the work that the GTLW has done for the new version of P&G, I can only say that we are on 2 different worlds.
A SIM is thought to get closer to a real behaviour of the car physics, tyres, damages, and if the P&G is arrived at the 3rd version of this mod, is because during these years the GTLW modders discovered a lot of good things into the physic engine of GTR2 to exploit!
A videogame like GT5, is much more oriented on a larger mass of people! They are focused on the graphic side, not on the tyre grip and wear or car physics, that seemed to me to be "standardized" on a single physic and tyre file.
Probably the main difference between the developers of a game like GT5, and a MOD like P&G 3, is the salary of the workers...I guess that for the "Poliphony" guys the password is "SELL", while for the GTLW is "PASSION".
While the Poliphony delayed the GT5 exit, they were probably thinking about: "How can I simulate the movement of this tree when it's windy?"
In the same time, the GTLW guys were probably thinking: "How can I have a different tyre wear and grip on every single tyre? How can I eliminate the understeer of the American tanks in the slow corners?"
These are simply different games in my opinion. They're not comparable in terms of simulation, because there's no comparison at all.
I can only say, that after a lot of time of work, the GTLW is about to pull of a masterpiece for who like the sims, and I've no doubt a lot of people will like it and especially the GTL lovers will change their minds and come back to P&G again ;)

Now let's hope in a xmas present by the GTLW!!! 
Cu guys :)

Results are posted.

If I didn't say it already... many thanks to Legzy for administrating the race and to Matt for compiling and posting the replays. This was truly a team effort.
Since it is unclear if I am going to be in the city next week, I'd like to do another dual sprint for next week. I'll cook something up for us.

Been Cooking yet?  :devil: