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Following issues regarding both versions of Riverside the re-run has been moved to the new Sebring 67 track. It has been throughly tested online by the GT modding team and is one of Ginetto's which speaks for itself.

This race is a re-run for the WORKS drivers only replacing the original event on 25 October

Race List = IGOR
Server = UKGPL_T7_2
Race date = 19-12-2010
Time = 21:00 UK time
Track = Sebring 1967
Variant = 67F1
Damage Model = PRO
Qualifying time = 35 minutes. Don't start until 30 mins left on clock to allow everyone to join.
Race length = 50 minutes (laps 18)
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R;group=277;theme=6)
The track can be downloaded from : http://srmz.net/index.php?showtopic=6123 (http://srmz.net/index.php?showtopic=6123)
Add-on’s available at : n/a

Please be in IGOR UKGPL chatroom by 8:50 pm UK Time

Reserve drivers should not join the server(s) until there are only 30 minutes of qualifying left. Please restrict chat to pit messages. Moderating will be by reported incidents only, however the moderators reserve the right to review any incident with a particular emphasis on lap one. The aim is to review the race the following weekend so incident reports should be submitted within five days of the race (ie the following Friday). We're hopeful most incidents can be resolved amicably and recommend a days deep breath with a replay review before posting. A sorry in the forum won't be taken as an automatic admission of guilt by the moderators.

With the token system chassis strategy will be a factor. A driver must have sufficient tokens for the chassis he drives in the race.  Any driver who does not have sufficient tokens will be disqualified from the result and his tokens will be set to zero.

Chassis costs;
Lotus 20 / Eagle 17 / Ferrari 15 / Brabham 10 / Cooper 5 / Honda 3 / BRM 0

To see your current tokens hover your mouse over your total points on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R;group=277;theme=6). Ten tokens will be added when you cross the start line.

Works Drivers;

WORKS drivers

Kinghiro (R)	Evil Clive	Hristo
Tim FMG	Steve Bird	John Roberts
Al Heller	Vosblod	Jethro
Sam B	Bartosz (Pod)	Baab (R)
Beefpie (R)	Rick N (R)	JHalli (R)
Fulvio P (R)	Tommie van O (R)	EasternSun (R)

67 Patch: The 1.3 Release of the 67mod can be used.


Sebring (pronounced "sea bring") Raceway is one of the oldest continuously-operating race tracks in the United States, its first race being run in 1950. The raceway occupies a portion of Sebring Regional Airport, an active airport for private and commercial traffic that was originally built as a WWII Army Air Forces training base called Hendricks Field. For much of Sebring's history, the track followed a 5.2 miles (8.4 km) layout. In 1967, the Webster Turn right between the hairpin and the top of the track was removed and replaced with the faster Green Park Chicane, which was closer to the hairpin and allowed a flat-out run through a very fast corner to the top of the track and the runway, which made the circuit 50 yards longer. The race is now considered one of the premier endurance races in the United States and is famous for its "once around the clock" action, starting during the day and finishing at night. For many years Sebring was part of the World Sportscar Championship.

Well that practice was a waste of time.....

You would've known earlier if you paid attention.  ;)

And how did you bear to practice around that terrible alternative Riverside?!  :o

BTW, how come UKGPL has F1 67 cars records for this track? I think it's a mistake and this is probably for the other older Sebring track. I still don't recall setting that Honda time though...

I didn't practice around that one, I did the proper Riverside, the one that was the freak cause of a mass disco.

There's still another week until the race if you can fit some time in.

Oh, well it was pointless to race that one again and have more people drop out because of screen freeze.

........................please send new brakes..stop.. can't stop. ..stop.. speaking difficult with mouth full of straw bales..stop.. Also new parts needed to repair several aircraft with slightly deformed undercarriage..stop..

I do have a Honda 67 Sebring setup in my setup pack, but it's for the other version of the Sebring track (which isn't that much different really, so it should work fine).

the long straight is rather bumpy ... thats where they used to practice landing with trainee pilots , big bombers tend to weigh a bit even if the runway is concrete...

john

bumpy??!!  BUMPY!!!!  I should say so!

 For the first few laps I thought there was either something wrong with my graphics, or my setup was bottoming out because of all the fuel I was carrying!! ::)

Hi all,

This track turned out to be a great choice. It's a great car equalizer, so I thought I might even have a fighting chance with the BRM, which I chose to save up some tokens.

Ufortunately I was struggling in quali and I couldn't find the extra time I could in the practice races beforehand. In the very last lap however I managed to do a good lap which put me 6th on the grid.

The start was good for me, unfortunately not so much for John who held me up a little bit, but I didn't dare to switch lines so stayed in his wake. Next coupla corners went well, then I saw Al sideways at T3. I chose the inside line which was the right choice and I instantly made up four spots to P3 :) .

The race progressed from there with a charging Hiro and John behind, but I managed to hold them off, before Bob in front of me made a mistake at T5. He was in the middle of the track but I could get around him quite well so now I was in P2! I was extatic, especially since it seemed I could keep up with the rest fairly well. This progressed for a coupla laps with the bunch behind swapping places back and forth, and me getting away together with Bob.

That's when it all went wrong. I was just accelerating out of the second to last corner when my camshaft failed and my engine exploded into a million pieces! I was pulling low revs at that slow corner and wasn't amidst a gear change, so I guess it's bad luck rather than driver error? Either way, bummer because I was en route to scoring the best BRM result of the season!

Ironically this happened at Riverside as well, only that time I was in the lead! Argh, America hasn't been very kind for me lately. Let's see what the other brings. The Glen is my least favorite track out of them all but by then I will have my Fez back so I hope to score a good result regardless. After hopefully surviving The Glen I hope to do well at Kyalami as well, one of my favorites :) .

I also see Hristo still has a four point lead after substracting the worst two results, hopefully I can find those in the second half of the season!

Tom.

loved the track and those laps I was competitive. unfortunatly I let myself stress by jw behind me and span. after that I just lost concentration wondering why jw didn t show up in front of me on pitboard. "forgot" to brake amd damaged the car. extra fun that tim passed me on last lap.After a brilliant season start my last 4 races have been mess up, connection, conection then mess up. happy for the undeserved 5 th though :).Big commiserations to Juha.

hi all!

Practise went well and got comfortable 1st spot to the grid,others seems choose Brm's for the race so i was easy to take pole.I was comfortable lead running 15 laps until my engine explode, dont know why ,maybe i tried save engine too much   >:(  Car feels very good and setup was excellent for this track, track itself was fun to drive too.Ginetto's top quality with no massive disconnections.

did i earn any points ?

hope i get more speed coming races too



Juha

You'll have points, just not sure how many till Tim sticks the scores up  :)


Has to be my weirdest race ever - had to pull off on lap 5 to attend to some plumbing!
Thanks to attrition and Al's smoky BRM I somehow still rolled in 4th even after loosing a lap while parked by one of the houses!  ;D

I went for a 2 hours nap before the race because I haven't slept in more than 20 hours, and I set my phone to wake me up on time, but...

I only remember turning the alarm off and going back to sleep.  ;D

Bring it on, Tom!  :P

Oh dear. After qualifying 3rd, I made a right dog's dinner of the start, braked a bit hard to avoid rear-ending Bob & managed to get marooned facing a haybale right on the apex of T3. Waited for the inevitable crunch & sure enough got t-boned which shoved me into teammate Bartosz & triggered FMG's graceful triple back somersault (with pike). Massive apologies to all concerned. Car was still in one piece so resumed at the back & my thrilling recovery drive lasted about 1 lap before the engine started billowing black smoke. Was just about to park it but saw on Prib that Evil was dropping down the order so thought I might as well see if the engine lasts long enough to nick at least one ill-deserved place... Managed to get to the line & after that I just kept trundling round waiting for the engine to finally catch fire & die but the ruddy thing kept spluttering & coughing until the end! Couldn't get above 120mph so tried to keep out of everyone's way & in the end crawled over the line in 7th. Oh well, that's racing - had a chance of a decent result & screwed up but at least this time I was the architect of my own downfall rather than getting another infuriating screen-freeze. Very nice track by the way - though I wonder if that bumpy straight had anything to do with all the engine failures (not mine which was impact-related I think). Commiserations to Juha who had the race sewn up before his DNF & congratulations to Bob, John & Jethro. Hope everyone has a great Christmas & New Year - looking forward to a nice break with no more tracks to learn for a while!

I was rather hoping for a reasonable points haul here after getting a setup sorted that kept tyre temps sensible and turned in a good race pace. It was nowhere near Juha's times in the Fezza, but I thought I might keep all those BRM's honest.

I was not too concerned with a good quali time as this track is certain to have a few "incidents" and excursions. As quali finished I had a weird sound glitch on my computer and all the engine noises went into a strange cyclic warble, which I think ultimately caused the end of my race.
The start was ok and as expected someone managed to slow things down at T3 ( thanks Al  ;) ) I intended to run the first 3 laps at a steady pace whilst the tyre temps built to a good level and that was working out ok even with Mr Nauman trying to make life difficult for me with his Brabham. He dropped back and Jethro was tailing me, I had Tom ( I think? ) in front in his BRM and everything was fine ...except for the sound!! I found that I could no longer rely on the engine sound from my speakers to judge the revs on the Waza turbine. As a result I was having to glance at the rev counter more often than I wanted to on the approach to the corners which was distracting and I was missing some braking points.
Then I totally messed up a couple of corners by down shifting too early, and yes, it must have over-revved the engine because exiting the hairpin that horrible sound was repleced with an even more uncomfortable noise.....silence!"  :-\
Grats to all those who survived to the end.

See you all in 2011.

A

Results uploaded and replay in the usual place.
Any incident reports by close of play Friday (24/12) please.

Grats for 3rd place, Jethro!

Heyy!!!  apologies for not noticing that Jethro  ;D well done mate.

So there was a Waza on the podium  ;D

I'd have had him if I hadn't had to go lie under the bath  :P

That's not an issue in Waza, we actually drive our bath-tubes. You can too if you come back.  ;D

Had to restore some pride for the Fundoshi after SHE overdosed Hristo's cold medication and one of her minions left a spanner in evil's engine when he sneezed and dropped it.

Learning the circuit in qualifying helped, found I could push in places I didn't think possible, and explored those limits in the race on full tanks and a far better setup tweaked some more between qualifying and the flag dropping.

The start was.... tentative. Never seen T1, T2 and T3 taken so carefully and yet screwed up so badly. Got the best start of the Hondas, slotted in behind evil, waiting for a moment to settle into a rhythm.

Seeing Al's stricken Brabham was a wakeup call from hell. I cursed hitting him but there was nothing I could do to avoid him. Surveying the standings I find myself up a couple places and homing rapidly in on the pack, Juha galloping away upfront.

After people dropped out I did all I could to keep myself focused. Pushing harder does that to you! At one point I was 2nd, and comfortably so ahead of Bob. The Honda had other ideas though, and tried different tricks to spit me off the course. One of which was to fail to flag me down for the chicane after the hairpin. Waved bye-bye to 30 seconds and settled into 4th, which became 3rd when Juha's stallion gave way and left parts down by the hairpin.

Good racing was had, it's a great circuit to push. Chuffed to bits I got the Honda down to a 2:40, so nearly had a 2:39 on the board though!

Just for the record...this was not critisism.It was fun racing with you JW as long as it lasted :)

No probs, was happy racing you, but it was funny to see so many people fall off in front of me. Anybody'd think you lot didn't wanna race with me. ::)

I would've been happy to race you but some BRM mechanic screwed up my engine! :'( . Or was it a Waza engineer...

I've had that happen last Saturday in my oAo race. Started last with the BRM due to a previous race penalty and ran at 8th or 9th initially, but then people in front of me began dropping out 1 by 1 as soon as I saw their names on my pitboard. Creepy! Took 2nd eventually, lol.

Gahh, annoyed I missed this one, no more graduates races before I leave. :(

Race moderation now published.

Hmm...well after receiving the email for the incident I knew I was going to lose the win...shame as it was to be my first Grads win...and in a BRM!  I understand we can't have people bashing into each other and I also read the rules post incident so the judgement was not a surprise (although I slid wide rather than lost it, is this the same thing?). 

Perhaps because I have been the subject of this judgement I find it a bit harsh.  I hit John therefore see that I should be punished, but I don't see the justification for a 2 place drop (other than this being the rule).  I have been demoted behind Jethro but the incident was nothing to do with him.  I cruised the last few laps so could have eeked out more of a lead, would a time penalty have been more appropriate?  I was in two minds whether to stop and let JR past, but thought this could cause further incident and with no prib I wouldn't have been sure which was JR's car.

Bob.

Hi Bob, you have the right to appeal but I think you have hit the nail on the head there, that is the rule and penalty. The rules/penalties have been built over the eleven or so years UKGPL has been going so have stood the test of time. Of course nothing is perfect so if you have any general comments re rule changes there is a section regarding this in the season review (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=8774.15) thread.

It does seem a bit harsh to me as well. I mean, he didn't cause JR's retirement, did he... nor was what he did an intentional move to take JR out. In a way it's good to teach him a lesson for the future, but it does seem a bit over the top.

I can think of several situation where I was in JR's position and had people go wide and turn back into the line as if I wasn't there. Had it not been for me anticipating it and easing off, it would've ended in a similar manner. Does that mean that I should report all those situations even if no contact occurred?

That is the rule; it really doesn't matter whether John retired, scratched his bum or decided to jump out of a parachute, Bob still did it. If we start doctoring the penalties to the aftermath it would not encourage safe and great driving.

If anyone intentionally tried to take another driver out they wouldn't be driving with UKGPL in ANY future races.

So I'll repeat my question - should/can I report each occurance of such rejoin by a driver, regardless if I managed to avoid being hit or not, and reglardless if a collision led to my retirement or not? That has the potential to lead to A LOT of protests which would decide the outcome of a race outside the track... I don't like it.

I know it's the rule, but that doesn't mean it's flawless. Do you really believe it's fair to hand over the victory to someone who couldn't beat someone else on the track and would've finished behind, with or without this situation happening? What a dirty way to win a race after it's over IMO, and if you say I can do this because the rule allows it, it still goes against my principles so I'd rather not.

I'm not saying there's no bad driving in this and that it shouldn't be punished, but the penalty should be lessened to a time penalty or staring from the back in the next race, or just a yellow card. I also think you can't classify all such situations under a single rule. It's one thing leaving or spinning off the track and doing a risky rejoin, and another to just go wide but remain on the tarmac. And in both cases it should be taken into account whether you collide with another car or not, and whether a colission causes a retirement or not.

Yes you can report any incident, the rules for rejoins are here (https://www.ukgpl.com/index.php/rules/bad_rejoin). The rejoin rule specifically addresses whether or not contact was made.

The penalties can involve a loss of places, they do not account for following drivers. I don't see anything dirty in the penalty system but it is always open to discussion.
I agree not every incident is clear cut, if it was you wouldn't need a moderator to review it, but the rules are there to show drivers what is acceptable and what can be expected in certain situations. The penalties are clear.

It's not appropriate to discuss this incident specifically but, as per the moderation, the rule says 'The rejoining driver was NOT in full control but nevertheless attempted to drive straight back onto the racing line without any consideration for other drivers and contact was made, 2 places lost'. If you feel the rule is unfair it's open to discussion via the season review.