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FUN RACE – Sir Jack Invitational
Osterreichring at Zeltweg 1971

Just in case you’re bored of a Tuesday night & need something to work off the mince pies you shouldn’t have scoffed for Christmas here’s a bit of GPL exercise. Also something a little bit different – a Black Night Racing promotion in honor of Sir Jack Brabham’s fine machinery – the race will be restricted to Brabham chassis only. Those drivers who regularly race in the Amateurs or Graduates Works Division get the BT7 & those drivers who in the Novices / Grads Privateers get the BT11. (I would ask that we are very careful into T1 – it is approached off a long uphill straight. My guess is the faster drivers will out-quallify the slower drivers but the slower guys will have the edge on the approach to Turn 1).

I’m guessing most people will be familiar with this track – if not it is the 1971 version.

Race List = IGOR
Server = UKGPL_T7_2 *
IP address = 62.149.202.168
Race date = 04-01-2011
Time = 21:00 UK time (21:00 GMT)
Track=Osterreichring

Zeltweg

zeltw71 (http://www.f1legends.ch/update/circuits/zeltweg.php)

Variant = 65 F1
Chassis –BT11 & BT7
Damage Model = Intermediate
Qualifying time = 35 minutes. Do not join the track until 30 minutes.
Race length = Intermediate Long

Password: See above

Unlimited Shift-R is allowed in the race. No-fault Shift-Rs will not attract a Stop & Go penalty.  All other Shift-Rs must be followed by a Stop & Go.

Please be in IGOR UKGPL chatroom by 8:50 pm UK Time = GMT).

i do believe the novice crew raced this track a few months back....  my only DNF of the year after i wiped out from last place 2 corners from the flag!
anyhow, i`m up for anything so i`ll be there.... BT11 you say? what sort of ferrari is that again? :D

Really pleased to qually third and surprised it wasn't a gaggle of BT7's with the 11's trailing behind. Must be something in those chassis allocations  ;)

Here we go then and wham bham and oh dear. Didn't fancy a 20 lap solo effort trailing at the back so it felt like time to leave. Shame as might of been a good race.

A fun event so not one for blame but I did wonder if it was all my fault so had a look. Anyway looks like a case of exuberance and grunt over experience on my part. After a good start I threw my lot in with Art and followed him past H up the hill. He went off an I went rather too wide for my liking as Hristo went to resume his lead position. Not sure if H span trying to avoid AA but it was all over after that.
So I'm not exactly saying it was my fault LOL, and wanted to take the opportunity that was there, but I'm sorry it ended in tears at the first corner.

Anyway well done to whoever has won.

Doing good and enjoying the racing until around 10 to go when my puter decided to go slow , real wierd got screen freeze and was about to quit when the thing came back to life again :o  Thought that now it was OK but the same thing happened again soon after , would freeze for 5 secs then OK for 5 secs freeze then OK , freeze OK  :-[

Wierd  :-\ 


Decided to quit rather than wait for some one to come along and find me suddenly stopped in front of 'em .

Wondered what happend to you Bernie. Bad luck.

Great fun. Thanks Billy.

It was my fault for T1 mayhem, I followed the wide line of AA because the car surprised me on cold tires and race fuel, and then I lost it over the gravel and spun. Sorry for those who got involved.

Somehow the BT7 remained intact and I continued after getting hit 2 or 3 times while spinning around. I thought AA was probably out of reach by then because he had great speed in Qualifying, but for the moment I had to focus on the cars in front of me.

There was some good racing in the next few laps and some people were really going for it, so it took more than I thought to pass them. BT11 cars were hard to pass, even with slipstream, and it was only my earlier acceleration in the two left handers which gave me a definite edge.

I caught up Ronnie in a couple of laps out of the 2nd left hander up the hill, and then went for the inside going into the last corner, but he choose to go right in the braking zone when I was already commited for a pass. Tried to go even more to the inside, but Ronnie took himself out and I somehow kept control of the car while going over the bumpy kerbs on the inside.

Much to my surprise it wasn't AA in the lead, and I had a few laps of battle with Fabio which were tough, but entertaining. It was really difficult to shake off Fabio's BT11 once he slotted behind me, because of the slipstream.

Once that happened I could build a gap, but it seems it was also thanks to some mistake on Fabio's end, because the gap grew up all of a sudden. The remaining laps were spent trying to produce a better lap time, but it wasn't until the very last lap when that happened.

Grats to all finishers and see you in the championship races soon!

Yesterday was Tuesday!!  doh!  ruddy Bank Holidays have screwed my body clock. I actually joined in a practice race on the server earlier in the evening and still it did not click that the race was last night.  :-\

Grats to H and all of you who were smart enough to turn up.

Big thank you to Billy for the choice of track and cars which made for some great racing in particular with Tom and Bob. That pass H, I turned right where I normally do to make the right turn and you shot down the inside with an excellent overtake. You made the corner and I did'nt and thats racing, fair play to you. Congratulations to the podium boys Hristo, Atillio and Bob. Oh and big commiserations to Fabio who I assume had run out of fuel/luck or both as I just beat him to the line.

I was glued on your back since the exit off the previous corner, Ronnie, then I moved right to give obvious intentions that I'm going to attack. I was totally in your blind spot just before the braking zone, yet you say you turned right where you normally turn into the corner. What do you expect me to do, disappear by some magic spell? If you just held the outside line we would've made the corner without any problem and then I'm 99% sure you would've passed me back up to either T1, T2 or T3, because of BT11' superior power and the aid of the slipstream from my car.  ;)

Anyway, thanks and hope you stay in the fight for longer next time.

This event was great fun, thanks to Billy for setting it all up. Zeltweg is a good track for racing and I already had a BT11 setup so I could just roll up and drive.

Last time here i quallied in the 43s, but that was with my old PC. I can now get a consistent 36fps here which allowed me into the high 41s this time around. After the carnage of lap 1 I was stone last but it was fun recovering through to 7th by the end. My CH team-mate Bartosz worked miracles in the BT7 and I was relieved to see the flag as he'd been filling my mirrors for half the race. I found the fps dropped a bit in the race so will have to remember that next time. Anyone else have any issues like that?

Anyway well done to the podium boys, a good start to GPL in 2011!

41s?? So we need to find some 10 seconds to catch up to you...  ::) ;D

As for fps, yeah, T1 was always dropping mine on each lap which made it a bit tricky to judge the grip level. It certainly contributed for the L1 carnage. I guess it's something to do with the track, just like with Monza 10k, and it requires a much faster PC than mine to not have any fps drop.

Oops...guess I meant 51s!! If only...

My new PC is pretty powerful so I was expecting to never have fps issues again, but I will be turning off some of the graphics next time I race here. Well done on recovering to the win H after the mess at T1.

Thanks and you were probably doing 43s in 67 cars.  ;)

The format of putting the Ams in the slower chassis seemed to work quite well & I was slightly surprised at the mix of positions on the starting grid. Probably run another one of these during the next break.

Zeltweg is a really nice track – a couple of places you can sit back with your foot flat down & just admire the scenery / graphics.

I ran into a sideways BT7 in the Turn 1 carnage, Hristo I think.  Less excuse on Lap 2 when I spied another BT7 up against the Armco in turn 4). By the time I worked out it wasn’t moving I’d missed my brake point and collided with Fulvio (sorry – & nothing to do with you leaving the server with a different rasteriser!).

After that I spent a couple of laps chasing Badblood who was harder to pass than I expected. After some synchronised spinning he was kind enough to let me through on the next lap. Well done Paul – getting better

Further to my sreen ,stutter, freeze, whatever you call it, I was worried cos nothing like this ever happened before , (although I did have lots of trouble a while ago when I used AVG anti virus) (since removed) .

So I d/l Ad-Aware , did a scan of my PC and was suprised at the stuff it found .

Hope I'm now clean and virus free , I have not been using any AV programme on this computer,  just been careful what I D/L and I never open unknown files , but the worrying thing , some of the "high level" threats where found amongst gpl stuff  :o

 

how on earth did i miss it???? i logged into igor at about 20 past 9, saw no-one in the chatroom and no server in the box so went to watch repeats of csi instead!
hope you all had fun!

I came at 22 past 9 and everyone was in the chat room, so I don't know where you logged, blito, lol.

Bernie, try closing all unnecessary processes from the trask manager (ctrl-alt-del) before racing. I always do that and it helps.

Well, had half a thought of picking the BT7 before the race, but then quickly decided to follow the other half  :). And I was right, since even putting in a pretty decent effort in the low 51s I still was forced to second spot on the grid by the usual suspect, the annoyingly quick Bulgarian..

An average start and as we approached T1, I had Hristo on my left, Vos glued right to my tail, and obvious disaster fast approaching ahead :helpsmilie:! Should have maybe lifted gently, to make Vos know that, erm, at that speed the corner wasnt really going to happen for me, or I should have realised that I was actually well past Hristo and could have opened up my line a bit by the time we reached the top of the hill. Did neither, and instead opted for a solid amount of last minute braking. As a result, I drifted wide on the left soon meeting the armco, had a look at my mirrors and...oh dear, dust and spinning wheels all over the place. When I had a look at my prib at the end of the lap, I couldnt see any of the top 4 guys, tapped again my F8 to go down the order and nothing happened. Jesus!! What did I do!! Wiped off the entire field in a huge carnage at turn 1 and provoked a massive disco, only five of us left :scared: :scared: :scared:!! Right, I managed to piss off the entire league now..Well, it turns out that prib doesnt actually scroll down as I thought it did, and my part in the T1 incident was limited to a distractring dodge line. Sorry about that, but I am relieved I was lucky enough not to collect anyone. Vos, you should have stayed on, there were plenty of clashes later on and I think you would have recovered easily, having fun in the process.

At the end of lap 1 I was still second, following the BT7 of Bob, who had sneaked into the lead at turn 2 making me think he was a miraculously survived Hristo. But it was all soon to go wrong, since I lethargically ran into him when he spun in front of me, and then did it again a lap or two later when Goran did the same. So, it was now down to 10Th place and off to a very entertaining come back, taking advantage of my superior chassis and of the many scraps and clashes ahead.
Grats to the winner and to Bob, who managed to keep me at bay for the last 2 laps in a ridiculously slower car. Big commiserations to Fabio for a stroke of rotten luck after a brilliant race. Its only thanks to that that I made the podium!

Incidentally, I did have some stutter here and there, which is odd since I don't recall anything like that during the race with the novices a couple of months ago. But that race was pretty solitary, so it may be of no relevance. Also had some episodes of crazy warping (like cars appearing and disappearing). But they were strangely sudden and isolated. Might be something with the server settings?

Missed you Jason :(

Big fun for me trying to hold off people who were faster (errr that will have been all of them then :D)

Few mistakes and some comings together so bit alarmed to see Billy moderating...

It is going to take me ages just to pin down my incidents <sigh>

Thx all mates for your kind words but... I only have to blame it on me!! :death:

If the race would have only lasted 15 laps it would have been my best one with UKGPL but, unfortunately, it didn't... :no:

First race of the year: a great track and a car that I didn't drive so much in the past.

Some rust to dust off during qualify but, in the end, I set my PB and I will start the race from the 5th time on the grid.

A bad race start, as usual since too much time, was compensated with a BIG luck so I wasn't involved at all on the crashes happening in front of me.

I finally found myself on 3rd place, with AA and Bob battling for the first place, only thinking about Ronnie behind me.

Then, BIG luck again, after one or two laps they crashed together and I found myself at 1st place!! :jumpjoy:

I suddenly get back down to earth, when I read on the board that H was just behind me :scared: :scared:

It took less than a lap and he was really close but I was good enough (thx BT11... :clown:) to keep him behind me for nearly three laps then I went wide and he pass me.

I was really surprised that he didn't go away so easily as I expect (thx slipstream...) and it was helpful for me to follow his racing lines closely: a lot of fun indeed!! :thumbup2:

Then, lap after lap, the gap from H slowly increased and, with Tommy nearly 15" behind my car, I began to loose my concentration  :yawn: (the last five laps I was quite falling asleep :sleep1:) so I made some mistakes... until the big one!!

On last lap, at the Schikane I spun and I found myself after the armco on the right side of the track...

I sadly recovered and I went straight to the pits, looking for the deepest hole to bury me in :hang:

Well done to H, Bob and AA, to everybody raced and to the race organization.

LONG LIVE GPL, LONG LIVE UKGPL!!

Hristo I use "End it All " great little app , closes 'em for you at the click of a button  ;)


BTW
Since running Ad- Aware I now can't join any on line races , keep getting error codes or (mostly) bandwidth mismatch , have tried 6o fps stuff but still the same  >:(

It's a fun race so no moderating - you can breath easy  ;D

Firstly I'd never risk running no AV, very risky - I use Avast and it's free. I'd scrap ad-aware if I was you, some of them find errors that aren't there just to scare you into paying out money for the 'pro' version.

I use 100% free protection software - Avira as my anti-virus (AVG is equally good and includes its own firewall), Comodo as firewall, SpywareGuard, Spybot Search&Destroy and SUPERAntiSpyware for covering all types of adware/spyware/malware.

All of them are very light (with the exception of Spybot which I turn off when playing games usually) and protect me without fail for the last 2 years. They require some customization of course, but once you do that you forget about them.

I've chosen these programs after reading a great post by a specialist who suggests this combination of protection software and I've been really happy that I followed the advice.

I recently ditched AVG which I subscribed to for 3 years (contractruns out end of Jan 2011 ) I had all kinds of issues with it in GPL and could never get it sorted .

I also use  Spy Bot and never had a problem with it , looks like Ad Aware is for the chop then  ;D

Might try Avast , I have it running free on my laptop and it seems intrusive there Thanks  

I was hopefully delaying trying new anti virus stuff untill S20 season end , any changes to the basic system are usually bad news for me and end up having problems , trouble is I dont have the patience required to fettle a stupid computer that wont do what its told  :(

should have left well alone but was worrying that the screen freeze was some kind of infection , also noted the cooling fan has been kicking in when it never did before , considering the cold in my loft i would have thought the electricckery would need a hot water bottle not extra cooling  ;D

Edit to ask "what do the Flags GG... F etc. mean in VROC maybe I'm jumping the gun here and there all sportscar stuff , tried iGor thats all sporty car stuff too  :-[

Just tried iGor and was able to join on 6 Watkins Glenn so fingers crossed  :clap:

doesnt explain why VROC was a no go though  ::)

Well, I haven't used AVG myself, but been told it's good. Avira is just awesome though. Very light, very non-intrusive and protects without skipping a beat. And I really like that it doesn't include anything else except anti-virus protection, so I can use whatever firewall and anti-malware software I want.

I use AVG free Bernie and I have no problems with GPL at all. It is strange though, on my laptop, GPL runs under windows 7 with User protection on. If I try to put UAC on the main PC Gem won't run. V strange so I think it is down to the various combinations of drivers. You just have to find what works for you.

Hi Bernie, been using AVG free and Ad aware for years with no issues with GPL. But make sure you have updating and scanning set for manual control or sods law says it will start updating/scanning just as you enter a race and bring your PC to a grinding halt. Hope you get it all sorted for the Glen.

Thanks all , the problems I had using AVG were about connecting to servers when I couldn't join any races unless I switched AVG off completley , never did find what portion of it was causing the trouble , but I said it was the "full" liscenced version with a few more bells and whistles , rootkit and stuff , maybe the free version is OK as it isnt so intrusive . Going to try some others but not before the Glenn as its too close timewise to undo any problems if I get them .  ;)

Sounds like the firewall part of it blocking your application, so you probably just need to give it permission to connect through the Internet.

Yes I'm sure it was firewall related but still had problems with AVG firewall switched off , due I supposed to the other AVG applications interacting with windows XP stuff , way beyond my knowledge base .

Have a look back at old posts you will find one's I made requesting help , I had tried countless suggestions from various sources but gave up in the end after sheer frustration , made the conclusion that AVG, me, and My Computer were never going to agree . It hurt because I had paid up front for it and was a complete waste of my hdd space . Thinking back I had trialed the free version first which was OK , paid for the licence on the back of the free thinking it would be even better .

There's a moral in there somewhere   Ce la vi  ;D

liked the race and was surprised to finish...let alone 2nd.  Cheers for the setups guys, used one of H's in the end, seemed to work pretty good, the BT7 is good in the corners :cowboy:, just as well given the lack o powa.  Seems sturdy though.

Saw a red BT11 a bit behind for the last couple of laps, tried not to push too hard and force (another) trip into the barriers, as a result I just kept my nose ahead over the line, good job there wasn't another lap.  I was a tad fortunate to others for tangling, but suppose that is racing.

I find it difficult to race closely without the inevitable contact, any tips?  When behind Tom and Peter I could close, esp in some braking areas, but felt like having a stab would end in tears.  As a result I started braking early to avoid any issues, had to wait for mistakes before I could pop past.  I also cut someone up into the 1st corner, sorry whoever that was, I was driving with the chase view then alternating on the straights, at that point I couldn't see if someone was having a stab.

Finally, can anyone help me to restore the original sounds for the 67 cars.  I swapped em for some off GPLEA and foolishly overwrote the originals.  Not a fan of the new sounds and defo need to restore originals.  In the instructions the deinstallation mentions deleting all the wav files from gpl\sound then overwrite gpl.exe for the CD ROM.  Now GPL doesn't work   ???  May try putting the wavs back and see if it works.  Any help gratefully received.

Bob

Hi guys, maybe someone can help on here. A kind soul pointed me toward 'the racing line' after the race last Tuesday, so I am now trying to re-groove my tracks. In the read-me file it suggests to upload the 5 best replays to create the best GRV file, but when I try it GPLRA only lets me chose 1 replay at a time. Anyone knows if there is a way around it? Thanks in advance

@Baab - when you decide to go for a pass, just commit yourself and stick to your line. Once you have a better exit off a corner and close up on a car ahead, use it to your advantage and clearly signal the car ahead that you're going for a pass. Do that by moving to the side well on time and not in the last moment.

Once you're in their blind spot, they can only hear your engine and will leave enough room so you can enter the corner side by side. As long as you're predictable and in control, there isn't a problem, but it's your responsibility to hold your line (whether on the outside or inside) and not bump into the other car.

@Artiglietti - For a lot of tracks you can use the already made GRV (and CLN) files on The Racing Line website:

http://gplea.rscsites.org/tools/trl/TheRacingLine.html

They're good enough really. For any tracks not covered there, I'm not sure what you can do, because to regroove you need CLN files and I have no idea how to make them.

For tracks which have add-on graphics with an external 3DO file in the track folder, regroove them by loading up that 3DO file instead of the DAT file which is normally required.

Thank you H, I did now download the groove provided on the site (Imola) and it is actually much better than the original one.

Still, there is that strange inconsistency between what it says on the readme file and what you can actually do in GPLRA, wonder if being an old software it is referring to a previous version of GPLRA. No big deal anyway, thanks for helping out.

Yeah, I guess they haven't updated the Help files.

I think you read somewhat wrong here. It says "(2) Load a replay, and select a lap.  Top-5 replays are suggested, for the optimal racing line.

and select a lap, this means you are suggested to choose one of the top-5 replays not a mix of them.

When it comes to make a CLN-file I do not know how to to that either.

Göran

I've been collecting CLN's for a couple of years so have put all the ones I've got here; http://www.megaupload.com/?d=W32X0SU8 (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=W32X0SU8)
I gather it needs someone with trackwriting expertise to produce them. On some add-ons you may find you get a zebra crossing groove so you will need the mip fix if that happens.

Thanks Goran, you are right, I was deceived by that mention of the 5 laps and kind of switched off...it would have taken quite a bit of techy wizardy to make a continuous groove out of 5 different laps!

Vos, very kind of you to put that collection at disposal, I just downloaded, thank you very much.

 ;D unfortunately you've done each and every step wrong ;D . Will take a bit of fixing so I hope you have backed up your gpl.exe before overwriting.

the original gpl.exe only used 5 sounds for the 7 cars. The soundpatch overcame that problem. you can find it at the gplea website. but your hopefully backupped exe will already be patched, so you have 7 sounds for 7 cars.

So if you put your pre-overwrite gpl.exe back in and the new wavs you have you gpl working again. Not sure where to get the old papyrus sounds back though :( .

Tom.

The original sounds are in the sound.dat file. You need to extract them with the tool which can do that, forgot the name. I can extract any gpl .dat file, was called datpack or something.

After that you need to rename the original engine sound files to the appropriate names which are used by the carsound patch, i.e. ferrari.wav to fer.wav, cosworth.wav to lot.wav and so on. Play around, but backup your addon sound files first, just in case.