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Practice 1:	20:00	(10 mins)
Qual 2:	20:10	(20 mins)
Race:	20:30	(60 mins)	note: no warmup!

Cars allowed: any GT2 from the UKGTR Physics Pack v2.13.0.0 (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3356.msg54519#msg54519)
Weather: Dry.
Track: Laguna Seca (download from  here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3356.msg54521#post_lagunaseca))
Race Start Time: 14.00
Fuel consumption: x2

Pit Stops: You must make a minimum of one pit stop during which you must take on at least 1 litre of fuel and/or change at least two tyres. You cannot take a mandatory stop at the end of the pace lap, or with less than 1 lap to go.

Server: simracing.org.uk GT2
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Notes:
(1) Please make sure you are fully aware of the UKGTR Rules (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3349.0) - especially the speed limiter starting procedure and the rules about in-game chat messages.
(2) Standings and schedule can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R;group=197;theme=3)
(3) You will not be able to join the server without the skin and ballast pack and track pack (see links above).
(4) Drivers may only change car once in the season without penalty.
(5) Drivers are reminded that they must select ISDN as their bandwidth, otherwise the stability of everyone's connection will be reduced.
(6) Please use the Driver Details (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=profile;sa=driver_info) page to ensure that the league management software has your correct GTR2 'Driving Name' (not necessarily the same as your lobby name).
(7) Note that the track is relatively heavy on frame rates, so if necessary turn your shadows and other graphical settings down to ensure that you get a decent number of FPS.

Not quite ready to get the championship sorted just yet so in the mean time GT2 fun race.

I thought that I would do this track as this was the track that we were going to use for the first GT500 test race until I changed it to Brno.

Filefront link for the track doesn't appear to work

just done a few laps in a 996 RSR - lapping around 1:30 on default setup... 
looking forward to this one already as i loved driving this track on GT4.....

GT2s!!! :w00t:

link now working

Its also a link to the correct track now as well. ;D

40mins?? Any chance we could make this longer ;)

60mins with 2x fuel? :thumbup1:

How about a double sprint with reverse grid like in Brands? ;D

As someone whos always said pitstops break up the racing too much, why ???

Cant see the difference between 60mins x2 fuel or a double sprint myself.

80mins enduro please ;D

gets my vote
think brands was 2x 25mins 8)

Whichever format, but if it's under 40 min please add another race.

My accomplishments so far:
RSR time-trial (http://www.humyo.com/DzKHPZb/Laguna-1_24_878-RSR.GTT?a=v1ZVc6tTi7Q)
F430 time-trial (http://www.humyo.com/DzKHPZb/Laguna-1_24_150-F430.GTT?a=JTo6ophfwfk)

Sample setups - surely undrivable: :D
RSR quali (http://www.humyo.com/DzKHPZb/RSR-Laguna-q.svm?a=PCFBqPSZ40k)
F430 quali (http://www.humyo.com/DzKHPZb/F430-Laguna-q.svm?a=7w33CYryZy0)

Surely time-trials will be made to look ridiculously slow by aliens, so take it as a goodwill attempts only. :wheelchair: Cya Sunday. :-*

Ah yes, the GT2s have been re-optimised for 1 hour races.


Sunday is typically enduro day so I think we should do a 1 hour race with 2x fuel (I was going to change to a 80min race before I noticed the fuel tank size). Does that sound good to you guys?

So the fuel tanks are now so big tha you could probably do 80mins on 1 tank ??? Who's brilliant idea was that ::)

 :yawn:



H@L, can't remember if I told you this, but when we made the tank size increase, Dave did it in a way that he could easily adjust them all/individual classes in future. So if you wanted to make them bigger/smaller it's a quick change for him in the physics pack to suit what the organiser plans for the season.  :)

 ;D

1.25.2 my best so far on 1x sprint fuel.

Well, can some please change the first post and the server to suit.

The cars were changed throughout seasons, so we can always change them. ::) What's all that whining about? :blink:

1st post updated.

We will do 1 hour race with 2x fuel.

I hope my net connection sorts it self out soon, its been fudged all day. It has just taken me about an hour to get this thread updated.

See you all in the race. :)

I noticed the Mandatory pit stop has changed from 0 stops when it was a 40min race
to 1 stop with a 60 min race and 2x fuel?
Surely theres more chance of someone being able to do 40 mins without stopping than doing effectively 2hrs without stopping ( impossible probably).  ???

Maybe this should be in a suggestions section so I'll put it here to see other peoples thoughts.  :angel:

Wouldn't it make more sense to be the other way around.
 (40 min race - 1 mandatory stop)
 (60min race @ 2x fuel - 0 mandatory stop)
Plus one of the best things about Endurance simracing is that for the people who are not so fast to race at the front with sprint race speeds then they can at least drive more consistently and efficiently to gain a few places by using hard tyres, carrying more fuel and driving at 95%, but by having mandatory stops cancels this out.  :(
(I know it will be unlikely to change anything from this race anyway as everyone will surely need to pit at least once)

PS just a friendly observation H@L, I appreciate the job you and others do organising races and trying to make them competitive etc.  :notworthy:

The "1 mandatory stop" on a 60mins x2 fuel race, is more there to warn people they'll need a stop (was the same when we did 80mins with the smaller fuel tanks).... you wouldn't be able to complete the distance on one tank of fuel.
So everyone will have to stop for some fuel, the choice is, do you change your tyres or not? :-\

That was one of the benefits of having 60min races over 80, suddenly there is a tactical decision to be made. :-X

I'm quite a lairy driver (my rear end is all over & I kill my tyres), so it's very rare I can take advantage of no tyre change... but a driver who is smooth, suddenly has a new option to explore. I believe Busy Vs Berger last season was a battle like that at the front of every race. Berger ahead & Busi trying to keep up > they pit > Busi ahead on tired tyres & Berger trying to catch+overtake! 8)

I'd like us to make a decision: either Endurance race with the stop/no-stop possibility with variable weather or Sprint without a stop and dry track (double race with reverse grid sounds nice).
If this is a fun race I say we go with a double race Sprint. If we're testing for the next season format, let's test something. :)

Low 1:26's with a full tank so far.

on default setup i`ve been down to 1:28.1 (panoz) and 1:28.3 (997 rsr) but i dont think i could put up with the awful sounds that both of those cars make... so i think i shall use a 996rsr (1:29.3) instead - i like the cockpit layout and the engine sound of that car so i will enjoy my driving more depsite being 1 sec/lap slower!

....because the 996 RSR has been nobbled in our car pack  ::)  I'm at least 1 sec/lap quicker in the standard car compared with ours and it feels completely different.

Touch and go whether I'll be able to make this one.

We try to make all races so that everyone will need to pit or no one will need to pit, that way the cars are more balanced and the races more fun. The pit stop strategy only really comes into play in the changeable weather races.

If there is ever a single car that can do a race without stopping when all other cars will have to stop then that single car has a massive advantage.

can some one help me my porsche 997 and the uk colors dont show they show up as a white and flourecent color.

Do you have both the Physics pack and the GT2 skins pack from here raceline?
https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3356.msg54519#msg54519

Install the Physics pack first.

It got a boost of Torque in the last car pack :angel: (but maybe it should have been given a bigger one...) :-[

Joining in on this one  ;) Hope to see some familiar faces/names on the server. Cheers  ;D

My usual dire GTR2 performance here. Was having to over drive to hold pace and started making lots of small errors which grew bigger culminating with a visit to the wall and a puncture. Didn't have the heart to limp round to pit so esc'd out.

Doubt I'll be doing much more GTR2 racing as I find it so frustrating. Don't like the SGTs at all and I'm not really keen on the faster Evo classes either. Looks like finding something else to do on Sundays  :(

Had a great race. First part climbing up through the field, helped with the powerful Panoz but the track made it pretty difficult!

I kept tyres in the pits cause I thought others were doing so as well, but they changed and I was in the lead but losing time. Really sad to make that mistake at the Corkscrew which cost me the lead and down to 3rd, defending from API and Lazlow would have been a challenge :( then escaped cause of a phone call, not too much left to do in the remaining 2-3 laps :P

PS: Just as an information, Jamera you were lagging a LOT when I was behind, impossible to race with you at that point really :o

i noticed Jamera was lagging a lot at the start... not that i kept up with him for long enough for it to matter..

All i can say about my race was that i made it to the finish, albeit 4 laps down... i hope i wasnt to hard for people to lap - i tried my best to keep it clean.
One small observation about my race - i ran the first stint on soft tyres, the second on mediums - the car felt much more composed on the mediums,and i made fewer mistakes in that second stint... also, went 1 sec/lap faster in the race than in qual! In all, i dont think that went too badly.

Whichever Piggy GT was in left my F430 for dead accelerating up the hills, I was following with mouth hanging open
could catch a bit in the turns, and maybe top speed was similar, but low speed acceleration was much faster.

Well done Blito :)

Great to be back in the F430 & I think it's finally back to a more level pace with the rest of the cars (except the 997 & Panoz which are still too fast :whistling: & the RSR that is still a little off pace).

Good tactical battle going on at the front & TT & me would have had the same (to tyre change or not to tyre change, that is the question), but he blew his pitstop, forgetting to not change tyres... unlucky mate :lol: :lol: :lol: & instead he came out the pits behind me & I could cruise on home to 4th :-*


Good one all, see you all next week at.... ? ;)

Fun race as always with you guys :) But I had to start way back on the grid after I had to quit and rejoin cause of the FFB went dead on my. I never found the key to work for the speedlimiter after my quick leave and enter thing either... hope I didn't cause any problems for you guys behind me  :-[ Race was fun, made a couple of misstakes in the race and felt it better to leave room for the drivers catching up on my. When I had Legzy in my rear view mirror at the last 10 laps and had to let him pass (He was on 5'th and I was on 10'th). So after Legzy's pass I stayed close to him for the rest of the race and found it not to hard really  :o  I had some weird stats showing up on the pitboard  ??? Sometimes Jamera was one lap behind... then suddenly he was in front of me on the board didn't know how to approach him in the race (and yes he lagged for me as well) Besides that I had a fun  ;D

It was the standard 996RSR Matt. I was concentrating on exit speed which left me woefully slow into the slower corners even for me. Was conscious of you having to throw the anchors out to avoid me a couple of times as you closed in, especially at the final turn. I was quicker over a lap in the F360 but even more prone to errors, hence my choice.

Replay and provisional results posted

LapChart (http://www.granum.plus.com/20110109%20U14/index.html)


Stoopid game, for some reason the Ignition off didn't work for me, apologies to all those stupid chat messages as I tried every key / button to kill the damn thing so I could get some fuel. Eventually the button I thought it was worked (at least 3rd if not 4th or 5th attempt worked) Sadly an unexpectedly good result was well and truly dashed. The Seat was much more competitive than I thought it would be as the track seems kind on tyre wear. However the Seat just seems to have no brakes, must brake so much earlier than in the 997 and even earlier than the M3. Did 2 stints at the end on softs hoping to get a fastest lap but Lazlow beat anything I was ever going to do.

hi racers, sounds like it was a good race tonight, is there a race next sunday night? (SGT/GT2? circuit?) i have got some free time on monday night so was hoping to get some practice in.

SRW

 :hammer: Was berating meself endlessly 'cause of it. :P
After an inital small mistake Legzy was through and while following him closely botched an exit to s/f straight. Apex had a misfortune to be behind me and turned me around - my mistake entirely.  :( Was driving then around 9th place until pitstop and instead of a quick one to leapfrog Legzy I was left 15 sec behind. :-X I count this as a success anyways as it looked much worse from the first laps on.

Well done Blito, just make sure you don't make any erratic moves and you'll do great. :) Nice racing with Legzy, Spanner, Apex and Nsfast - I'm sure there were others but I lost track of them all - good to have drivers around that we can drive closely. Hope Jamera sorts the connection and that MJ can be let to race next time. Were you a bad boy, MJ? :P   

Rather fun after all, was a bit worried before hand as i wasnt getting the hang of the 997 at all, felt the front was sliding too much and was wearing too much. Even tried running meds on the front and putting in my fastest lap in practise in but felt it made the front end worse making you compensate with a lairy rear.
 was reasonbly comfortable early on just watching TT legz and Apex in front but ended up going too wide through turn 1 and must have got on the sand as i ended up going straight across the track and into the wall. Rejoined with GT and Matt which was pretty good. I did seem to faster along the straight bits, thoug i was running 10 wing so ended up having to make passes into the corkscrew which wasnt the best as i had a good exit from the previos Lefthander. Just tried to keep my head down a try and make as much progress up the field wih some good racing with Apex, TT and nsfast.

Not sure what happend at the start, i guess the server had been set to rolling? Never used that starting procedure before. What happend at the front, was there a pace car? Because of this meant we gain a lap or so and with a few laps to go was panicing i wasnt goingto make it, all this as i'd just caught nsfast so on the second to last lap eased off a bit then realised i had enough for the final lap loosing the chance to have a go and crossed the line with 0.6L left!

Sorry guilty as charged, had been messing around and hadn't noticed this setting was wrong  :-[ There was no pace car so apart from some messages and the cars already rolling the start happened much the same as normal with Lazlow running a pace lap.

I presume GeForce's Porka being shown as G2 is just a mapping mistake?

Doh, didn't have a good night did I :(  :-[ You are correct

Luckily those things are easily fixed. ;D I only spotted it 'cause I'm ploughing through possible gotchas in my cunning plan to rework the classification system...

 :ninja: :ninja: :ninja:

Well done DG. :)

he says finishing 4th in a gaggle of F430's ahead of the only 'apparently dominate 997'  ::) still trying that old bleat Legzy?  :laugh: the F430 is plenty capable in GT2.

Didnt race last night by choice. Love GT2, love Laguna but bit like P&G did for GTL for me, Evo GT is doing the same to GTR2, ie making it feel outdated and outclassed. (in my humble opinion). Am sure there is plenty of good racing to be had with GTR2 so will be back no doubt for the new season, though i wish it was spiced up with something new. This was just a fun race so i passed for a natural break. Good turnout for a fun jobby.

 :angel: :laugh:

Seriously MJ, F430 is very close to the pack now. Try it yourself. There Were a couple of comments on TS that it is now too slow! all drivers seemed to be struggling with it in it in praccy, So I swapped to it from the faster 997 ;) to show that it was still competative. I was chugged to just pip Spanner on the grid 8).
I think you'll see from the grid that it is now more in the pack.

 In terms of my finish position, I drove very well & caught a couple of lucky breaks ;D

We were just missing a pro 997 driver like yourself to prove my point about the 997 ;)


P.s. What I did forget to say was, how great it was to see another good new track (for UKGTR2) being used. :)

Thinking about it though in an out and out sprint i think the 997 just has the edge however last night, in these races, i have to change tyres whereas by the sounds of you dont need to in the F430 which is where it gains.

I did fall off early on and so would have hoped to finished a bit higher. I'm sure such a dedicated Porsche drive like yourself MJ wouldnt have. Well, we did miss you MJ :-*

Good to see Jorgen back from the dead.

Oh, Jamera i have just the things for you and your connection!
https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=8841.0

So just how slow IS the 996 rsr? Please tell me its not much different because it is turning out to be my fave gt2 machine!

BTW, what do i need to be practising ready for the next race?

Info for next race here:
https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=8856#event2546

Nice race last night. I could not keep up with API or Lazlow or Busi. I was having a good fight with Picnic for the first half of the race until his pit issues. Very fun track, well done podiums.

Thanks for taking part, it was a good turn out. Good to see Jorgen helping out the Team Pseudo score.

See you all at the next one. :)

It is the nicest of the GT2 Porka's to drive IMO... but sadly it still seems to be about 1sec of pace at most tracks. It probably needs another +2% torque I reckon.
I would say the other two easiest cars in our GT2 class to drive, would be the BMW & F430, I assume you've given them a go.


I would agree that the F430 becomes a better choice for an enduro than it is for a sprint. Not so much because of any minor tyre benefit (the 997 is more than capable of doing the distance on one set, remember it's only 60mins now ;)), but more because it is probably the easiest to drive.... Meaning you make less mistakes. But as you said last night Spanner, "to get a decent laptime in the F430 now, you really have to throw it about" (Music to my ears it was ;D).

I don't think it lacks grunt, it's just that it seems to be so awkward into the corners compared to the standard car (for me anyway). I think it needs a porka expert to compare them and advise what should be done to balance, as atm it's not a viable choice in this company (imho).

Removing weight might help then, that's the other standard balancing trick used in the packs. :-\

Out of interest, when you say "it's awkward into corners", I guess you mean it oversteers?

My base setup on the standard car just feels very balanced and I'm able to carry speed, but the same setup on the pack car just makes it unpredictable. Like I say....it needs to be tested by someone who knows what they're doing and I reckon the standard car would be the best place to start.

The 997 RSR for me is just an awful drive and it seems crazy that this mod is the weapon of choice over what (to me) is a much better base car.

i find the 996 to be very understeery on corner entry - some of the other cars can be hustled around much more effectively.

It's very different how you set it up, Blito. Make it soft in front, low coast diff, brakes bias to the back and watch it spin in every corner. :D A lot can be done with the setup, I even managed to make Marcos turn at Le Mans. Not too well, I admit, but in S10 I couldn't do even that.  :P

Hi Guys, apologies for the lagging, thought it may have been the wireless as suggested last week so I was hardwired for the race, but clearly no better. Anyway after much ranting at Virgin they have admitted that there has been a major fault in my area since before xmas that they were working to fix. I checked this evening and they have said it is now done, we shall see!!!!

Cool. :)