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Date: Friday 18th November

Practice: 8:15pm (30 mins)
Qual: 8:45pm (28 mins)
Warmup: 9:13pm (2 mins)
Race: 9:15pm (30 mins) - STANDING START - GTC76 cars only

Track: Imola
Race Time: 8:00

Password: usual practice password (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=2929)

Excellent! Another GTL race, and 76 too- much CAPRIciated :)

Don't want to be picky, but isn't this in the wrong forum???

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Don't know what you mean.  :P ;)

 ::)

I'll be there nice and early this time  ;D don't wanna miss another one

I'll be there. Shame I have to park up the Cobra (you can still use tha Pantera :P) but looking forward to trying the 76er's for first time.

Going to have to miss this one I'm affraid, Wolves v Derby live on sky, now I know we will probably loose but hey just gotta watch it.
Have fun guys.

Ooooooh! Hopefully I'll be able to have a punt at this one.

Which car would you recommend? (as I'll have to try to unlock it!)

Pops

Pops, I would go for the Capri or Escort RS mate.

I'll be there, look forward to it. Just need to decide on a car.

yups i will be there also.

And me.

Got a horrible feeling we'll run out of space on the server for this one. Might need to do a 2 night schedule so everyone that wants to compete can.

Hope we get the 36 car dedicated server soon.  ;) ;)

36?  Better hope I get my new processor before then!  :o :)

better get some praccy in at Imola then b4 Friday ;D
Now Porsche 911 RSR or BMW CSL oh choices pity i wont be quick tho  :D


Pete

Yeah, although we'll probably only run 24 on the main server as I don't suppose the PC requirements are any less than GTR and that's our limit for that.

The BM CSL is a good option too Pops- very solid and dependable drive. Just suffers a little under braking compared to the rest. Escort is a hooligan and very chuckable. It has a tendancy to get very light at the rear under heavy braking because all the weight is at the front of the car- really extreme braking can see it swapping ends- set the coast pretty high and come off the revs gradually into the braking zones. Current fave is the Capri. Amazing brakes and nearly the same chuckability as the Escort. A tad too much understeer but you can drive around it if you're expecting it. Cannot get on with the Porsches at all despite driving them almost exclusively in GTR :-\

Have you tried the 914? It's a really easy car to drive, although a bit slow down the straight, good round the corners.
Not unlocked the LeMans one so don't know about that.
The RSR is well understeering but huge lift off oversteer makes it an interesting cornering technique.

There are two CSLs - a lower powered one which is quite well mannered and a high powered one which is a beast.

Hi I will have a try if I can get a capri or escort. Both of which I have driven and race prepared for real. Only driven the rally versions on the road, we used to build and tune both versions however. kindest regards gerald

Wow- it would be really interesting to see how (if) they compare with the feel of the real things Gerald.

Will defo look at the Porsches harder a.s.a.p as I'd really like to drive them. Had to use them for the all Porsche race in the D Cup and obviously didn't tune them enough to get teh best out of them.

GTL not released in the states yet.  :'(  I gotta wait but would love to join in the fun!

Hi Paul the Capri with a german tuned 2.9 v6 used to spin its wheels in 3rd gear as I remember. The rs1600 bda ex works rally car was so fast with its road rally gearing but a pig to drive in town. With forest gearing it was like a rocket and steered on the throttle really well much to the displeasure of the local police (good job I used to fix all their cars and the sergeant was a mate of mine).

Mines being packed now, I'll be with you guys shortly!

Welcome aboard Fozz.

Had a try with 911 last night and got to disagree with Paul. I can't drive them for toffee in GTR but find the natty yellow one pointy and not to twitchy, apart from that tricky downhill section, in comparison. Mind you it might just seem comfortable after many laps in cobra and pantera. Just got to learn how to drive it fast now.

Spent a bit more time with the 911 last night and enjoying it more now that I've had time to tweak things here and there. The back-end is still quite lively but it's nice and 'pointy' as you say. Sounds better than the Porsches in GTR too :)

A fair few cars in GTL seem to suffer from teh same problem (or rather I've not yet fully learnt how to drive around it) namely, braking from very high speed seems to lock up or bog down the rear tyres somehow. It may be caused more by the sudden lift of the throttle than the sudden application of the brakes, haven't worked it out yet. The Alfa is particualrly bad at this, as is the Escort and the 911 to some extent. Is this a peculiarity with race cars of this era?

Roll on this patch is all I can say!

Much needed. Stuck in the garage even with a reboot and change in car meant ZERO practice and many people crashing in the lobby including me.

Erg. Didn't enjoy that.

Damn!!!

That race was epic!  Franky and I were nose-to-tail for the whole race and I only nipped 2nd from him on the last 2 laps.

And what does the game give me for a replay???  one quarter of the LAST LAP!!!!

Arrrrrggghhh!!!!

Good fun, but hard work. Got really bogged down at the start and lost about 7 places, will need to practise that. That long braking zone down the hill seemed to get more difficult with every lap, so easy to lock-up. Was pleased with my new PB in qualifying though. :)

Quick reminder - please try to remember not to chat until all racers have finished. I nearly went off twice in the last few corners and the car behind me did. If you've been lapped you'll be finishing a lap early, and cars can be finishing more than 2 minutes behind you.

Hi Missed race joined with crapi at second sitting had not driven this track so race came a bit quick . Got dq for not getting to grid fast enough?. Car felt a bit gutless as ours would spin wheels in 3rd. Brakes were a bit lacking but there again we were probably allowed more grunt and better brakes in club racing .gerald

Hmm I was optomistic of GTL being great online until now, that was shocking.

Firstly it took literally 5 attempts, 4 CTD's and 1 total reset just to get onto the server, only to end up in a locked garage.  Then a further CTD or 2 and a few attempts more to get into the game properly!

Then there was such a gap between cars it was rediculous.  I was in 5th I think with Shark following on about lap 4.  There was about 13 seconds to 4th place, and once Shark got past after a spin (in about the 4th chicane, damn I hate what they've done to that track), I was about 6 secs behind Shark and a full 17 secs infront of 6th.  Decided I actually might wanna race someone so crawled round a lap, still a few secs in front so I decided (in an absent-minded way) to do a drive-through the pits, only you can't because the AI take the car into the pits for you and you have to stop.  Then I ended up turning off the limiter about 2" early and got a stop/go, at which time I hit esc in frustration.

I can't quite believe how much of a difference in speed there is between the cars in the same class, it's gonna take a hell of an effort to get GTL to work in a league in a fair way.

Had a great time, hopelessly heated the rears on the Capri in the first race and got a tap into the big downhill braking zone. Had fun trying to control the slides after that. I always get huge rear wheel lock-up into the massive 1st corner brake at Imola... even if I just lift on the throttle- not sure what to do about it but the rears just kept getting hotter and hotter  :D

2nd race took the big CSL. Lovely little motor, very well mannered. Dorve the arse off it though and just couldn't keep up with Dave (who actually got bored and waited for me ;D). Just seems a bit heavy.

Hope you aren't right about the disparity between cars Zacari- if you are well probably see the same old car time and time again, and with the limited skins on offer in GTL, that could get really tedious.

Bloomin hard work GTL- 30 mins feels like 45/50 mins of GTR to me!

I enjoyed it as well.  Must apologise for first race when I spun and created havoc in a blind spot. Funny thing was I got whacked three or four times but had no damage, dissapointing. All those cars on start was amazing ;D.

Second race was superb while it lasted. Took Escort for first time and scared everyone to death as I tried to get to grips with it from pole. Then had good battle with Paul and Dave, with all of us making the odd mistake ;). From my experience so far, and the second race tonight, I would argue that some cars from the same class do run on an equal footing, but time will tell. The first race saw big gaps simply becuase those at the front set an awesome pace. 

The cars are very physical aren't they? :D

First race was a bit of a disaster, I'm still learning the circuit and went into the second set of tyres at the final chicane after a few laps, having had a frenetic but fun battle amongst half a dozen other cars for a few minutes. Bent the suspension a little but it was still drivable, so I set about hacking my way back up through the field only to have the engine go pop coming out of Variante Alta - presumably a holed radiator. :(

Watched the battles for a while, including seeing Shark hit the same set of tyres I did. :D :P

GTL then crashed ::) >:( but I rejoined for a lightly populated second race. Toyed briefly with the 911 but it needs such a different driving style that I decided to switch back to the Capri in which I'd practiced. Drove like a muppet for a few laps at the start of the race but that did at least afford me the chance to fight my way back into the lead. As Paul says I got bored then and waited for him so I could do it all over again. ;D Contemplated repeating it but the gap suddenly grew to 38s+ so I decided to knuckle down and see about getting my PB down, eventually getting a 2:06.something before melting the tyres on the penultimate lap.

I must say I find these faster 76 cars much harder to drive consistently than the 65 cars. I'll seem to be braking at the same place on two adjacent laps but one I'll make the corner with loads of room to spare and the other I'll go sailing off into the gravel without any prospect of making the corner. ???

Really enjoyed last night, set a PB too in the 2nd race of nearly 3 secs better. Like Dave I was still learning the track and it showed in reduced lap times as the night went on. I agree with Dave on the braking points, I found exactly the same thing where I'd be ok for 2-3 laps then off, then ok again for a few ???

All in all a good nights fun, but clearly there are a number of bugs that I hope will be addressed in the patch if we are to be able to enjoy some really solid online racing

P.s. Anyone up for some more tonight? ;D

Allthough i could not make the race last night grid was full and did not know there would be a second  :(.
I also found the Capri to be unpredicable in that you have the same line and braking point lap after lap and suddenly find it sails off in to the gravel.
Or as i have found at Zolder will snatch at the brake when least expecting it , or is this just my driving style  ::)

I love the Escort i can fling that around and keep control of it , try it in anything else and its disaster lol. :D

Pete

I always disable chat in-car... I still get join leave messages I don't know if that can be turned off. You can't really complain about folk chatting when there's option to disable it..

Crazy race, was going ok was catching aother yellow 911 but he lost it and instead of lifting and trying to control his off road excursion it looked like he floored it which started a spin straight into my car. Thanks, why folk take out there own shortcomings on others i'll never know. The race is within yourself, not against others - or more you should be willing to yield until ready to race against faster drivers, show some respect. ::) You can use the 'Name Tags' option and assign to wheel button, study the current seasons and see what's what.. if you got a guy you've seen doing well in season then there's no chance you can race with him untill you are more confident.

Rich steady on. It was me in Porsche and show me some respect. I didn't take my "shortcomings" out on you, I made a mistake for which I have apologized.

Oh ok np sorry gingsters. You're leading Div2 nice one..

It sure looked like you could have lifted and controlled but I can never be sure of what's going on in your cockpit.

Remember the rules about public incident discussion please. Just because it was a fun race doesn't mean the forums can be turned into a Kangaroo Court.

Lol, that was a faster u turn than a labour party spin doctor  ;D

Perhaps you should read the SimRacing.org.uk Rules...
https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?pid=7#chat

I quote...
"At the end of the race, in-game chat may be freely used only after all cars have completed their final competetive lap."

So yes i can complain and will continue to do so.

I'm a bit disappointed to start seeing the "so many bugs" type posts here, without specific details; becoming a bit RSC-like :(

The specific bugs which have been mentioned are already listed as fixed in the patch list (http://forum.rscnet.org/showthread.php?t=230430), if you find more, please post the details - the generic "isn't it awful" posts don't help us (or anyone quite frankly).

(BTW Shark, I tried to reproduce the 906 not showing up in the dedicated server car filter, and couldn't - all cars were shown, regardless of their unlock status.)

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Unfortunately GTL takes over your car even if you hit escape, so you can't tell just by using the monitor whether there's anyone still actually racing (especially as the AI tours back to the pits at very close to racing speed). Perhaps the colours of the drivers as shown in the (unscrollable ::) :D ) list give (or could give) an indication.

And on that note I'm off to post some more onto that list. ;) :D

Rightly or wrongly there's a bit of ill will hanging around toward Simbin by some after GTR. It feels like Blimey are trying to make amends a little with the new game and I really like the way you've gone about publicising the patch and the work going in to it on various forums.

I think the moaning is a bit of a back handed compliment in that it's such a good product that the bugs in there will continue to irritate a little more than with other games until we get that patch.

That's a matter of opinion. I imagine the "isn't it awful" posts on all the racing forums haven't been helpful to SimBin's bottom line, But I wish I hadn't reccomended GTR to a mate who's PC was a bit of mish-mash of peices for which I spent far-to-long getting it going. The "isn't it awful" posts would have been helpful to me, if I would have listened.

Certainly Pop's thread makes me think GTL isn't for my mate.

Marketting and Hype and SimBin's strong point

With respect Fozz, you grind that axe a bit to much for me. Superb (the best) artwork, design, graphics, sound and driving engine are in there with the marketing too ;)

Yeh very true PaulW, probably on both counts if I'm honest :-)

The do have superb artists, sound ppl and other stuff. Actually I feel they are just far too good at Marketting.

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With you on that one. Hope they are moving on with the way GTL customers are handled. The dialogue with their customers over what's needed for the first patch is a great start.

Well IMHO they've kindof said a lot how they've based it on GMotor2 but have changed it a lot.

GMotor2 has been overall pretty rock solid in stability, tho _we_ haven't done any big grids, I'm not seeing any mass bad feeling towards ISI, even at RSC. So hopefully its built on quite a solid base, and they have access (and skills) to solve the problems that will/have arisen.

On the positive side, mines in the post now.

Fozzmeister

Agreed, the problems with GTR were so annoying because the game itself is so good. GTL is looking a lot more promising already. I've not seen any problems while actually racing online yet.

The unscrollable grid list is fixed in the patch, the fix for which also helps with the end of race problem - you can right click on a driver and it shows you a list of their lap times. Not a perfect solution, but you can see how many laps they've done and therefore if they've finished the race or not.

(Monza door also in fix list, to address your other RSC bug Dave.)

Whilst I did have a very frustrating (and eventually very expensive!) time of it, I'm convinced it wasn't GTL's fault, it was a hardware problem.

Pops.

My post obviously came across a bit wrong, I think GTL is a great game even as stock. I am also really pleased that there is a published list of things being fixed in a patch, however, you can understand my frustration at not being able to drive the car during any of the practice/qual sessions and having to keep restart when the lobby crashes. Yes both known problems and both listed as being fixed in the patch. I think it's fair to be annoyed about these bugs as we haven't got the patch yet and so they are still occurring for us. The reason I said roll on the patch is that I know you've fixed most of them already so I really want them now because for me the evenings racing was completely spoiled by the fact that I couldn't even get the car out of the garage to drive.

I don't think there have been any "so many bugs" posts anyway, I listed 2 problems and I've been a big supporter of GTL since even the demo. I was merely summing up my race which is what this thread is about.

Yeah, I was in a rush to restart the server after putting the wrong cars in in the first place, so must have just missed that one. I didn't know then and there whether I had seen it but obviously it was just me missing it out.

How does the 906 compare to the RSR in terms of lap time btw?

Hmm actually I don't want the SimBin flame wars here, GTR is still has a load of dire bugs, GTL certainly has some right now (from what I'm hearing). Perhaps AndyG being here is a blessing, hopefully he'll be in the any GTL championship we run, and if GTL causes GTR any of the things that we've all seen GTR do, then hopefully he'll be doubly motivated to fix them.

We've got GTR and will keep battling with it, hopefully GTL will be better.

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K, Sorry Shark, Dunno what was so combustable, but it sounded good when I wrote it...

I think may be we're all getting a bit guilty of forgetting that we're just enjoying some good games here rather than life and death, just want to calm it down a bit and keep things in perspective.

It's Chico Time!  :o :o :P :P ;)

Hard to say for sure since I'm no alien, but I think the RSR is probably a tad faster on an all out lap, but the 906 is easier to do consistent race laps in.

Where is the engine in the 906? Front, back or mid?

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GEUA,GEUA:2005-30,GEUA:en&q=porsche+906 :)

Those old cars are so beautifully low spec.
2 litre, mid engine, 4 gears, 220bhp, still 30bhp short of my beautiful S2000.  ;D Top speed is higher though!

Reminds me of learning to drive, well apart from the 2 litres (that's about 1100cc more than the car I learnt to drive in  ;), same number of gears and probably had 100x more grip than my old ma's Talbot Sunbeam)

Oh dear!!!!!!!  :-\

That wasn't ma's Lotus Sunbeam was it?

We wish! 928 cubic centimetres of Hillman Imp-engined (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillman_Imp) glory putting out maybe 40 donkey power.

I got my copy now, and I have to say its nice driving different cars, unlike GTR where your basically setting them all up to be the same, its impossible virtually on this so you have to modify your driving style. I like that. As for setting up, it'd be nice if they supplied some defaults, sure you can download some, but as usual most of them are crud and SimBin seem to make things hard sometimes http://forum.rscnet.org/showthread.php?t=233222