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Onto race seven and things are hotting up in the championships with Tom V O pulling a, not yet, unbeatable gap in Works and Bernie, Ronnie and Fabio slugging it out in the Privateers.

Subject to a viable number of entrants we are running two separate grids for Works and Privateers drivers this season. The Works will run on PRO Damage and Privateers will run on Intermediate Damage with the allowance of ONE shift-R reset. No Shift-Rs are allowed in practice unless authorized by the moderator. A Shift-R (fault or not) MUST be followed by a Stop & Go. A Shift-R for tyres/fuel is not allowed. Any driver taking more then ONE Shift-R OR failing to take a Stop & Go will be disqualified from the race result.

Race List = IGOR
Server(s);
Works = UKGPL_5
IP address = ping myjamesonline.net
Privateers = UKGPL_T7_2
IP address = 62.149.202.168
Race date = 23-01-2011
Time = 21:00 UK time
Track = Kyalami
Variant = 67F1
Damage Model = Works; PRO / Privateers; INT
Qualifying time = 35 minutes. Don't start until 30 mins left on clock to allow everyone to join.
Race length = 50 minutes (laps 37)
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R;group=277;theme=6)
The track can be downloaded from : original papy track
Add-on’s available at : http://srmz.net/index.php?showtopic=1925 (http://srmz.net/index.php?showtopic=1925)

Please be in IGOR UKGPL chatroom by 8:50 pm UK Time

Reserve drivers should not join the server(s) until there are only 30 minutes of qualifying left. Please restrict chat to pit messages. Moderating will be by reported incidents only, however the moderators reserve the right to review any incident with a particular emphasis on lap one. The aim is to review the race the following weekend so incident reports should be submitted within five days of the race (ie the following Friday). We're hopeful most incidents can be resolved amicably and recommend a days deep breath with a replay review before posting. A sorry in the forum won't be taken as an automatic admission of guilt by the moderators.
The Works will run on PRO Damage and Privateers will run on Intermediate Damage with the allowance of ONE shift-R reset. No Shift-Rs are allowed in practice unless authorized by the moderator. A Shift-R (fault or not) MUST be followed by a Stop & Go. A Shift-R for tyres/fuel is not allowed. Any driver taking more then ONE Shift-R OR failing to take a Stop & Go will be disqualified from the race result.

With the token system chassis strategy will be a factor. A driver must have sufficient tokens for the chassis he drives in the race.  Any driver who does not have sufficient tokens will be disqualified from the result and his tokens will be set to zero.

Chassis costs;
Lotus 20 / Eagle 17 / Ferrari 15 / Brabham 10 / Cooper 5 / Honda 3 / BRM 0

To see your current tokens hover your mouse over your total points on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R;group=277;theme=6). Ten tokens will be added when you cross the start line.

The Championship is split into two sub-divisions, namely Works and Privateers. The driver split will be;

WORKS drivers

Kinghiro (R)	Evil Clive	Hristo
Tim FMG	Steve Bird	John Roberts
Al Heller	Vosblod	Jethro
Sam B	Bartosz (Pod)	Baab (R)
Beefpie (R)	Rick N (R)	JHalli (R)
Fulvio P (R)	Tommie van O (R)	EasternSun (R)
Pelle_B (R)

PRIVATEERS drivers

Bernie	Burtoner	Mike Turner
Billy Nobrakes	Bookie W	Nigel Smith
Fabio (Il Lupo)	Ronnie Peterson	Paul Badblood
Martin Maddog (R)	Ross Gilles27 (R)	Hannah (R)
Nicky I (R)	Happy Al (R)	D-Rock (R)
Toni Niemi (R)

EasternSun (R) - sub-division to be decided upon

67 Patch: The 1.3 Release of the 67mod can be used.

NOTE: Please ensure you join the correct server, due to the way we import if you start the race on the wrong server your result will not count.

Ensure you have the pit wall in place.  The standard papy track has a pit wall but there are patches available that remove it.  The absence of a pit wall will not stop you joining the race but anybody seen miraculously driving through the pit wall on the server replay will be disqualified.
Instructions for restoring the pit wall are;
If you have installed the GFX update that removes the pitwall here is how to get it back for the race .
1. Rename or remove kyalami.trk and kyalami.3do files from your kyalami folder.
That will give you back a wall you can crash your car into. If you want the old papy Armco GFX back do this.
2. Rename or remove Armco_s.mip.

Kyalami (My home in Zulu) is a motor racing circuit located in Midrand, Gauteng, South Africa. The circuit has been used for Grand Prix and Formula One races and has hosted the South African Grand Prix many times. In recent years, the area surrounding the circuit has developed into a residential and commercial suburb of Johannesburg.  The original, sweeping circuit was in use from 1967 until political sanctions eliminated the Grand Prix after the 1985 race. When the circuit was rebuilt in the early 1990s as part of a commercial development, the pit straight, Crowthorne bend, Barbeque and Jukskei sweep corners were either eliminated or heavily modified, with the result that the circuit became a narrow, twisty ribbon rather than one of the fastest circuits on the calendar. Formula One abandoned the rebuilt circuit in 1993 after just two races (and a bankruptcy on the part of the promoter).

TEST HELP NEEDED

We are looking at the feasibilty of running events alongside and on the same server as the GTR guys at srou. They have a GTR2 race starting this Sunday (23/1) at 8pm.

Would some (ie as many as possible) of you guys be able to make a Kyalami warm-up event at 8pm before our race proper at 9pm? I'm thinking maybe 20 mins qually followed by a quick Nov run on Int damage.
The main thing is to give feedback on any glitches you may experience. If you have problems joining via IGOR the server IP is 81.19.209.165


The event proper will, of course, run on our usual dedicated servers.

Try to make it but night before School Monday ain't great - would it be ok for one of the boys to race? They are OK but slow.

Sounds fine to me, just make sure they know all about bad rejoins etc  :D

he he! thats OK!
Paul has taught them all he knows about how to do bad rejoins ;D ::) :P

Didnt take me long - "yeh boys just keep pressing Shift-R - you'll be OK and if you go off just steer wildly and press all the pedals..."

Its working for me so far :D

This may create some confusion at the start, we know it from casual Vroc race where someone has pit wall...others have not.
If you know it, no problem...but I can't find rules since 2008:
I've always used the pit wall/fence, but it has sometimes I get squeezed out of the wall because others think I can use pit  :o

Not quite sure what you're getting at Pelle.

There's a big paragraph at the bottom of the first post telling drivers to ensure they have the wall.  If anyone drives through the wall (they don't have it showing) they get DQ.

Thx Steve  :laugh:
DOH...how could I over look it  :whistling:

 ;D

To prove you have the pit wall in place, it is mandatory that you rip a wheel off by hitting the armco during the race.

Best do that early on, as there could be a shortage later.  :yes:

Pit wall has been tested...it has not become softer with age  :D

HAHAHA ;D

We'll, let me be the first to talk about my race, seeing as I have a lot of time on my hands.   ::)   5 seconds in, 20 feet down the track, and I'm punted over the fence into no-man's land!   And that concludes my race description!

 :'(

An embarressed apology for messing up the start. Couldn't see the flag man so only moved when I saw the car in front go. I saw a car passing me on the left (fair enough) so tried to go a fraction right and the car 90'd.
Short race for me - think that counts as a DNS. Sorry if I caused anyone problems - early doors in the race and don't think anyone else went out.

For some reason I get great starts in 65's but always have trouble in the 67's - some offline practice methinks.

That sort of leads me on to another subject. I must admit I've found the move up to Works a struggle. When you take a currently reduced available practice time (read zero) combined with racing with the big boys I've really struggled. Yes I know 'it's the only way to improve' etc but, at the end of the day, running as the runt (mostly) doing 50 minutes solo has deflated my enthusiasm for this series.
I sort of felt obliged to move up having won the Privateers but I've gone from really enjoying my races, and being competitive, to an exercise in boredom control.
Obviously I'm Grads mod so I'm not leaving, I enjoy the admin/modding side (I know; I must be odd), but I'm thinking of dropping back to Privateers. srou would automatically carry my meagre points over but I won't be a champ contender with only three events left but I might get some racing fun.
Anyway I will dwell on it...

Just seen your post Rick. Oh dear I'm guessing that was me. I'm really sorry, don't know what else to say. Someone else will be giving me the big stick for that as I don't mod my own incidents.

Don't you dare move down - its hard enough getting points with the drivers there are let alone another rocket propelled merchant.

That is my worst ever race - didn't have the right mind set and considered skipping it but decided to give it a go - I've been improving so it couldn't be too bad could it?

Yes - it could. I was embarrassingly bad in qually. Slowed it down and got a 1:30 - my best is 1:28 so that wasn't too bad for me. Nigel shot past me at the line - my gearing was obviously rubbish but I followed Hannah into Crowthorne and he was a bit wobbly so I thought follow him round and try and draft up the long straight - didn't get close enough and that went by the board but I was staying close - I might have a race here! Immediately span out of T2 and without thinking did a Shift-R - bugger - ok no prob I'm not too far back - drive within yourself - aggghhh I've got to SnG that;s me buggered. Ah well get some practice in. Turn onto the straight and head for the pits - whoops forgot about the wall couldn't slow down, took a wheel off. End of.

Total crap. Depressed. Got to do the same on Tuesday and I hate this place. Never mind - Mexico on Friday - hate that even more. Please God don't let there be a Monaco race anytime soon :(

Went off for some practice and that was even worse - sigh. Still Vos is gonna join us - great ;)

I think that was me passing you on the left Tim. Sorry for causing you to spin out  :(. As for my race, well it was great fun while it lasted, but sadly my sodding internet disconnected me from the race. It turned out the adapters I'd been using weren't fully connected into the plug and lost power  :censored:. Guess I'll have to be more careful at the next one!

Well, that was all a bit pants; well actually it wasn't as I am trying to use my slowest ranked car in a hope that it might improve my driving eventually; however, it puts me way off the pace and acting like more of a mobile chicane than normal.  I was going to say that I'll see the season out in Works and then register for Privs next season, but after seeing Tims post above, if there's a chance of moving now then I will.

I don't want it to affect the current Privs championship though, by potentially robbing points from people fighting for places, so I'll leave that up to Tim to decide as Chief whether it is a reasonable option.

If it helps I will continue to use my slowest ranked car for the remainder of the season, which is likely to be the BRM or Honda mostly.

Tim - PM sent

Grats to podium and all finishers.  Hard lines Rick, it looked spectacular from my car!

Cheers all.

Great  ::)

happy happy :D . third place in the end maybe becuse I took time to see that the fuel used was much less than suggested in gpl.1 st lap was slow and intense careful not to shunt and still defend towards JW (I think) who seemed to be looking for passingpossibility. stayed with Tommie a big part of the race but he gradually went faster as my pace was the same so I switch to worry for Al who was approching from behind.2 secs at the smallest but then Tommie had a spin where his car was positioned very unfortunate for a quick rejoin(unlike his more lucky 360 some laps earlier that gave me possibility to pass him and get some secs down to him but he passed me again allready after 3 laps or so). I guess he was racing Al and I managed to keep a 4 sec lead till the end. Bob had an accident as well and then I was third.. 8 secs behind FMG who I think also must have had a spin.

Big grats Hristo  :o ...amazing that after so many years in GPL, you are still too fast  :laugh:

Wild fun to be back in GPL, although it did not go as planned  ::)
I got the starting place at number twelve, came up to a seventh place, but on lap 18 engine exploded (Shift-R is allowed on Works server???)...& ending where I started, in twelfth place  ;D
Fuel for 47 laps was not used anyway...maybe I should have taken the Eagle  :-\

Too bad to hear more maybe move server, I think we had a really nice field with most of the cars presented...slept on it, take the gloves on & see you next race  8)

Apology accepted.  I really must figure out why I keep getting dealt the car skin with the bulls eye on it!

As for the rest of your post...  I can sympathize with all your reservations about the move up to Works, but hey, your not alone in that.  My last season in privateers was very exciting and competitive with me and Al and Bartosz fighting it out for wins.  Since then it's been mid to back of the pack with only a few fights here and there.  (If I can finish at all!  ::)  )  Why don't you stick it out at least to the end of the season though.  You might feel different by then.

I seem to have lost my way in 67's. This season has been way below, even my usual pathetic standard.

I cannot seem to string a series of race pace laps together, without ripping a wheel off or charging off into the undergrowth  :-\.

Maybe I need to go back to the ninja basic training camp and start again. :-[

The best race of the season so far in several respects from my point of view. A mid field qualifying position as usual but at one point I found myself, through a process of attrition, in second though Bernie soon put an end to that. Very enjoyable racing throughout against Bernie, Billy and Fabio with a couple of minor offs and an unavoidable bump with Bernie following a spot of confusion between Bernie and Ronnie. Fortunately I'd sacrificed a goat prior to the start so the gods were with me and I emerged undamaged.

I was also pleased with the performance of my new rig (i7/5870/Win7 64bit). I'd had big problems trying to run GPL with Win7 32 previously to such an extent that I'd reinstalled XP on a separate HDD and ran GPL from that so I was expecting even bigger problems with the 64 bit version. Surprisingly though everything ran very smoothly - no graphical, connection or framerate problems at all. The only problem arises when I try to launch GEM and get 'Unknown message for FatalError' appearing but GPL and IGOR load fine on their own.

I was concerned to read that some newly promoted Works drivers want to move back to the Privateers because they are no longer able to dominate the field. In doing so, they would of course put those drivers in the Privateers who are currently enjoying a degree of success in the position that they themselves so resent but that seems not to have been a consideration. I hope that the Administrators will continue to allocate drivers to divisions according to ability rather than personal preference.

I have some sympathy with Vos & Steve looking to Privateers - the bar has certainly been raised even higher in Works this season thanks partly to our rapid new joiners which makes it tough to get a decent result... though equally I do find it all the more satisfying if you can bring home a good finish in such a competitive league. Been a bit strapped for practice time this season so I was pleased with 4th place & to stay with my teammate Tom's (MUCH lighter on fuel it turns out ;)) Lotus. Spent the whole race under pressure from behind - first Jethro, then Pelle (that's some GPLrank you have there btw :o) then a nice fight with Juha & finally a nailbiting pursuit by Tommie who was closing fast after recovering from a spin. The final laps were pretty much qually laps for me so I was relieved to hang on... especially considering my woeful performances in other mods recently. Congrats to H, FMG & Tom.

Hi Michael,

I don't think that is quite how Tim and Steve see it - they don't want to dominate necessarily, just enjoy some racing with a chance of the podium. However the divisions are arranged there are always going to be some drivers towards the middle and back of the pack. There is a similar issue with the 65s where a few of the drivers in Ams want to go back to Novs where they were more competitive, but I don't want them stealing points off me either :) Ideally we would have a middle division but the numbers aren't there to make it work.

To a certain extent it is all about defining success for yourself, relative to the quality of the division you are in, as Al H just stated. Trouble is we all play this for fun and toiling away at the back isn't most people's idea of fun!

That's a little harsh Michael and I'm sorry you feel that way; it is not because I want to dominate the field, it is because I don't want to shuffle along at the back of every single race and have decided that I would like to try and improve my racing by using my slowest ranked car rather than bashing along in a fast car at a slow pace.  In this case that was the BRM and I was running 1:24's and 23's.  Without the results posted yet I can't tell how that compares with the Privateers race this time around but around 4 seconds per lap slower and 2 laps down really is no fun whatsoever for me and probably very irritating for the fast boys.

I did actually say
So I would appreciate if you did recognise that I have taken it in to consideration.

I sadly seem to fall into an area where I am potentially too quick for Privs, but way off the pace in Works.  Looking back over the races this season, Nurby seems to be the only track where I was quicker than all Privs, the other races I was slower than at least one but often 3 or 4 of the lead runners so I doubt very much I would dominate anything, especially in my slowest car.

Its not done and dusted, I would like to stay in works, but I need to find a way to get better and the stuff I have tried before isn't working for me.  I expect I'll probably continue in Works for the remainder of this season as I do think its a little unfair to jump half way through, it was my choice to start with, but I may consider Privs next season, unless I get better racing in works for the remaining races.

Maybe I should go back to privateers?  ::)

Qualified with more fuel on board than I thought, but quickly decimated a second off my time by putting the boot in where needed. 1:20.8 I think the best I could hope for. Hristo's time was rather impressive, had I painted one of Chapman's cars white I may have had a sniff of it.

The race was going OK, up until about lap 16 or 17 when those ever immortal parents decided to curtail my fun and switch the internet router off. Much swearing ensued, but at least I'd started that lap.

Something of a dilemma about which division certain drivers should be in. We do have quite a spread of abilities which is always going to be difficult to allocate across two grids. In an ideal world we could get enough drivers to fill thee grids; fast, not so fast & not very fast at all. But for now it’s two grids.

Steve & Vos would slot in somewhere between the bottom of the Works & top of the Privateers. If they are clearly going to get lapped on grid one & be competitive on grid two then grid two is probably the correct place. In like for like chassis my guess is that Ronnie would still take pole position.

That said Mike T has a fair point about the existing championship table, particularly at the sharp end. Perhaps a suitable compromise would be Steve & Vos finish the season on the Privateers grid but:
a) As guest drivers i.e. they don’t score championship points or
b) Voluntarily taking the slower chassis; maybe Cooper, Honda or BRM.

I think there were on 9 cars on the Privateers grid at Kyalami  – fuller grids do make for better races so we have room to spare. Ultimately, I think most of us do this for fun (pay is lousy)  so we should fit drivers in where they want to race provided an individual is not clearly quicker than the rest of the field.

BTW my comments are made from my perspective as a driver, not part of the moderating team.

What's that like then Ross? lol


Who did you have in mind Billy?

I wouldn't mind a grid of three or less :D Might get a podium then!

Seriously, I wouldn't mind Vos and Steve moving down - but no points, obviously. Don't think I'd be happy with Clive though - he needs to get that team championship!

This must be a nightmare.."PELLE", "VOLVO"?another Swede???
awwww Danish I just saw..the people who adore Norwegian soccer and lost us to sweden after the napoleon war.Welcome to UKGPL m8 :)

That certainly would not be my motivation for moving, as I say it's a case of wanting to have some fun by having the chance to do some actual racing - at this stage of the season I wouldn't have any kind of look in at the championship. That said, and on reflection, I don't think it's fair to move if any of the Privateers drivers object so I will stay where I am for the rest of S20.
Works is looking a bit top heavy though; 17 drivers versus 9 in Privateers. And NO Clive you can't move ;)

Anyway results uploaded and replays in the usual place, any Incident Reports by close of play Friday please. A review of the Privateers shows everyone complied with the single reset rule. I'm not sure of the rules regarding Ronnie's stop though, two wheels were stationary whilst the other two carried on down the road in the hope of continuing to compete. As he retired at this point there's no need to ponder it more.

Three divisions? Works, Privateeers and 'The Lapped' lol
Only joking I think. There's always going to be some question of how someones form is going to vary year on year and present results seem to bear that out. For example I was enthusiastic about joining HER ranks this year after having a couple of decent drives last season in the white whale, but its not happened for me this season. I can blame lots of things but in the end you get out what you put in. I shall persevere.
On that thought, last nights race followed recent trends. Got home late, 6 mins of qually left, wheel playing up, sort that put race fuel in and get on the grid with default setup. Oh boy who worked out those setups? Took the 1st lap really steady and waited for things to improve as the fuel load went down. Just as laps were getting faster I wiped a wheel off exiting, widely, T2, and was lumbered with full fuel after a Shift R. A stop n go and I was 2 laps down. Oh Misery.
Must find the missus something to do in the evenings so that I have more time to practice.
See you all at the next venue- oh its Kyalami again- what fun. :)
ps Paul shall we start a division all our own ?

You are probably too good for me :D

I am wondering if I might change next season. I just find the Honda too damn difficult to drive. The 65 is fine but the 67 is too much of a handful for me. Not sure any teams would be receptive tho' lol

Tom do not blaspheme it's Football, not soccer. It's maybe stupid game, but it have a proper name ;)

Strange race for me , qually was the usual mediocre event , though I did enjoy the pre race warm up with Ronnie who was flying in that red thing  :) Sat on the grid pondering what I could do about the hot shots in front , but soon after the flag dropped I realised the answer was "not a lot " . My set up on race fuel and cold tyres was a real handful early on , I also got pre occupied with watching the lag meter which was going full scale , and was waiting for the impending disco , but I woke up after running wide in the esses and losing a couple of places. After that it was heads down and I really did enjoy the rest of the race which went on at various times with Fabio and Mike. On about lap 20 I was suprised to pass Ronnie as he exited the pits , by the time we both arrived at T1 he was back up to top speed , I kept to the outside line but was even more surprised to find Ronnie sliding across the track in front of me , not sure if we touched , my replay shows not , but it was very close , think there was some warp involved , anyway the outcome was Ronnie going off with Mike and Hannah who were following also getting involved in the debris , luckily we were able to recover but it seems Ronnies Fezzer being made of cheapo Italian metel , got a bit bent causing him further terminal problems . Another hard luck for Ronnie who must be thinking the world is his enemy atm
The 3 Brabbies were pretty evenly matched and we all had the odd off or two but  somehow or other I finished up p2 after Fabio and then Mike made one mistake to many .

Big CONGRATS to my team mate Mike on his podium finish , you really deserved to have been a step higher up mate , wha a great result for the Soggie Bums

Watching the replay I would love to have been one of the fly's inside Ronnies crash helmet , bet they all had six hands over there ears   ;D

As for the above discussion , I will go with the flow , but just to add , its not the first time we've had late joiners in a series , some I recall with painful results. Realistically though it's too late in the season now for any newcomers to really upset the apple cart but I also respect others points of view.

From where I'm sitting right now ,  I dont think I could have much to lose , but of coarse they could take valuable points off the others who are in the championship hunt , then again the bonus could be better and more interesting racing .(well for some anyhow )  

Team Soggy Bottom is a bit light on membership , you would be very welcome if there are no other offers  :)

I thought football was american football and soccer european football :o. Weird I m still confused about this.

It's quite simple, just watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sD_8prYOxo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sD_8prYOxo) - Soccer vs Football  ;)

The issue here is that Graduates/Privateers have no handicap system whatsoever. The tokens system is the same for all and the only ones who are actually handicapped are single slower chassis teams like ours. This is evident from all our drivers positions in the championships, including myself (was 4th or 5th before this race). Even though, by using top cars, drivers have to use a BRM once or twice during a season, it's not enough to equalize the difference and therefore they still have an overall advantage.

Apart from having 3 divisions, which seems impossible atm, how about either tweaking the tokens system so fields are more varied and top cars are used less often, or we use some sort of a handicap system like the one in Historic where top championship drivers can only drive the slower cars. We could even use the Amateurs system (which I'm against normally) because it would, at least over the course of a season, allow slower drivers to be consistently challenging faster ones, race after race. The choice of cars would have to be very well thought out of course.

@Nige - I don't understand why you used the default setup. ANY user made setup is better than that, so you should never ever rely on default setups. Apart from some mods and tracks, default setups are simply too bad.

As for my race, it was very difficult, especially in Qualifying. I was doing near flat 19s in practice before the race, but couldn't quite put in a lap to get there during the event. Had a final go in the last minute of the session and just managed to snatch it away from Tom.

I was having a lot of reservations for the race, expecting to be passed early on by all those Lotuses, but something must have happened at the start and on lap 1, because I was leading comfortably in front of Tim and nobody else in sight behind him. Tim seemed to be taking it easy early on and so did I as a result, trying not to overheat the tires and the engine too soon.

My consistency was quite OK, even though I had some near-offs in T1 from too late braking. For some reason I always have problems braking for T1 in races, the brakes never have enough force to lock the wheels with more fuel. Eventually the gap grew gradually up to 3 seconds and stayed there for many laps, until Tim finally dropped further back and gave me enough room to stop worrying about him.

Grats all who finished, see you next race.

P.S. And just to add something to the above discussion of driver divisions. It is definitely much tougher these days than in the past, because there are clusters of drivers of very close ability. This requires a lot more practice and preparation, and conscious effort to improve race by race. Otherwise you fall behind. Even I, who would normally not practice in the past few seasons, am forced to put in a couple of hours for each race. For example, had I not done that for this race, I would've probably finished 4th or 5th. So before considering moving down or changing rules, ask yourself if you're really doing your best to prepare for races. You can't expect to keep up with someone who practices more than you (in both divisions) and is simply better prepared.

Something which might help here is that you can alter the default setup. Border Reiver on SRMZ says

"once you find a good base setup that suits you for any particular chassis, in any particular mod, you can make that your personal default by copying the setup, renaming it to match the default naming convention for that mod, (setupXX.yy1 for example) and then putting the file into the gpl/setup/setupXX folder that corresponds to that mod. That way, if you select default from the drop down menu for any track you will get your personal default settings and only then need to tweak the gears, cambers and pressures a bit perhaps to get something that will be familiar to you straight away and without having to scroll through a long list of tracks to copy your favourite settings from somewhere else"

More details here

http://srmz.net/index.php?showtopic=6556&st=0&p=58656&#entry58656

I didn't know this but will probably give it a go when I've finally found the ultimate setup for the BT7 ;)

Good idea, Gilles, I've never thought of it. Alternatively and maybe more precise is just to copy a setup you've already used and liked from another track, preferably from a similar track in terms of layout characteristics.

Yeah that is what most people do I think. The problem with overriding the default setup is that your base setup is constantly evolving and so the default could become out of date.

Having looked at some of your BT7 setups H it seems that way for you so what hope for the rest of us? :) I guess there is no such thing as perfect setup anyway.

To be honest I'm not - real life keeps getting in the way.
Anyway your suggestions are definately something to go into the melting pot when we come to look at the structure for season 21.

Massive congratulations to my practice sparring partner Martin on a fine win and well done to the other podium boys Bernie and Michael. Bernie, when you caught sight of me I was not exiting the pits. That was me taking a shift-r after my final fatal third encounter with the Hurricane. Check out the view from Martins car its awesome. Any chance of salvaging some points disappeared due to that reinstated pit wall which caught me out when I attempted to make my stop and go next lap (easily done Paul).

My biggest thank you is to Nigel who showed exactly how to behave when being lapped and an example I will follow whenever I am in the same situation. It was a shame for my championship challenge that this attitude was not adopted by everyone. But thats racing and unlike my Ronnie Peterson I woke up the following morning ready to race again.

Last bit, I' happy to drive with anyone of any ability if they are happy with me so I look forward to any old and new faces on the Privateers grid for the remaining races.

Well done again Martin.

Absolutely agree, more practise is required to get better and be more prepared, and no I'm not doing enough.  Sadly I haven't got much more time.  I did do some practise, it wasn't enough by far and simply wasn't quick enough, although I did take my BRM PB down by over 2 seconds.

I was hoping to keep the race 07 stuff going on a Wednesday, but have run out of time for put in practise for that too, I have done none for the upcoming race this week; so I'm gonna have to make a choice and I will concentrate more in GPL than race as I don't want to waste what I have learned already, including the great information from many guys on here, not least JR and the other Team mates who has helped me a great deal to get me this far.  As a few of you have already said, I'm probably diluting what little talent I have across too many styles of racing.

As Tim has suggested (in PM), and what I effectively alluded to earlier, I will keep going in Works for this season and re-assess how I get on.  Perhaps this 'lowest ranked car' theory isn't a good plan now, maybe that's something for later on, or even when learning a track or something along those lines.

Not sure how familiar you guys are with the learning process and its 3 stages of confusion, frustration, success! Well I'm the frustration stage, lol.  Anyway, we'll press on for now and just do the best we can.

The issue that has to be addressed may not be a tokens issue. In real life there are several good cars in F1, several mediocre and several poor. The driver is not usually the deciding factor. This is NOT the case in UKGPL because drivers select different chassis for different races. You want the best drivers to come out on top but to keep a carrot for the midfield. The car is usually not ultimately the deciding factor. A fast driver in a slow car will always beat a slow driver in a fast car - teams drive on different bases which introduces an unevenness.

The tokens are meaningless for me because the Honda is cheap - how about introducing points for things like PB's or consistency. If you wanted to make it REALLY interesting you could introduce a rolling start where the first lap is to organise the field back to front? This would allow prizes for the less able drivers and provide extra tests for the aliens.

This is NOT a suggestion for any of the series we currently run but speaking as a confirmed backmarker I can generally count on there being no racing unless somebody makes a bad mistake. Even I want to race! Some creative thinking before S21 may be in order.

BTW I'm in Confusion stage.

                            :jumpjoy:  HELP!  I'm being mobbed! :jumpjoy:

Must've done something noteworthy, to deserve all this pseudo-attention . . . how do you turn them off?

It was time to bring out the big guns, for the big event at Kyalami.  The Lotus 49 was a revolutionary car, as were its wheels, and anyone who's not seen the film, 'Nine days in Summer', has still some homework to do.  "Get on with it!"  Right, well I arrived with a very promising setup, gave it a tiny tweak mid-practice, gained some time, and gained a second on the grid. ;D 

I was confident of outperforming the Brabham cluster, early in the race, but a well equipped Ronnie posed more of a problem.  So it needed a perfect start, to briefly leave my problem behind me, but his rapid Ferrari was readily able to match my pace, and doggedly started hounding my tail.

It was 7 or 8 laps before I got tired of the view, and decided to throw a rear wheel onto the grass, thereby performing a quick 360, to survey the scene.  This let Red by, and a fast approaching Fabio through into 2nd.  My turn to chase, and Fab soon ran wide, which meant . . . the Hunt was on. :)

Second at 20 laps, I'd still not given up on the lead, but I'd struggled with Ronnies pace.  I suspect, he'd even switched to cruise mode along the way, with a comfy cushion.  But all that changed, when he was suddenly in view!  And a half lap later, he was suddenly in view of Tabletop mountain!  I believe I passed somewhere under his car, mid-main straight.  A sad end to a promising career.  And from that point, it was simply a matter of reeling in the laps.

Happy to have a first win, thanks this time, to some luck on my side!  The footage suggests a fun time was had amongst the clustering Brabhams, who were well matched.  And my sympathies to the driver of a very bent Ferrari. :( :D

LOL - I was going as fast as I dared!  ;D
For a collection of reasons I hadn't done ANY practice before the race and as a result used a recent setup from Rouen and tweeked it in practice...
Far from ideal but as it was at least a recent setup it was sort of tuned to my current style, so I was able to manhandle my way around the rough edges  :hammer:
I'm quite glad you buggered off into the distance H as a prolonged battle with that setup wouldn't have ended well!

Pity about Bob - He passed me when I span out of T2 then Span himself a lap later at Sunset.
Didn't think his car looked too damaged as I re-passed him but he then quit out, it had been a good battle till then, at a distance but with the two of us fighting to manage the gap between!

I'm still laughing over the start from TvO's viewpoint  ;D


And you are right Giles - there is no such thing as a perfect setup. Just differing shades of OK on the night  ;)

Sorry Martin, I didn't know you took a win, many grats.  Well done.

Paul - I detest reverse grids.  Nice to see some 'out-of-the-box' thinking though.

That's unnessicary Paul - You can edit the starting grib so it's in reverse order quite easily  :)

Yeah, I keep finding new things that work better from time to time, so previous setups become obsolete, but I also think it's your driving style that changes as well, so in the end it's a bit of both.

Well, Kyalami has never been one of my favourite tracks... but on qualify I shave my Brabby's PB nearly half a second!

Starting the race from third place on grid (and in front of Bernie) wasn't so bad but, after few kms, I immediately realised it would have been an easy race...

Ronnie and Martin were flying away while I had to fight for the whole race with a real nervous car: very often it seemed to be skating on ice...
It was quite fun but, unfortunately, I made too many mistakes so I missed my third consecutive podium...

Well done to Martin, Bernie (he never missed a podium when racing: he reminds me of LH on his first champ...) and Michael.

See you all in Edmonton (who already knows such track?!?)

Long Live GPL, Long Live UKGPL

Pity about Bob - He passed me when I span out of T2 then Span himself a lap later at Sunset.
Didn't think his car looked too damaged as I re-passed him but he then quit out, it had been a good battle till then, at a distance but with the two of us fighting to manage the gap between!

yeah, couldn't believe my luck when I saw you spin Tim, but predictably I did the same the next lap, hit the bank engine first and that was that.  Needless to say I was gutted.  My concentration was wavering and I'd also been outbraking myself into T1.  I had no match for H's pace, but was surprised to see I had the FL when I went out, so wasn't doing too bad.  Was pushing it a bit, trying to drive safe but fast, short shifting slightly to protect the engine!!!

Car was a right handful on L1 and I ran wide at T2, which is why you had a gap H.

Grats to all finishers, I'll have to work on that part of the race!

Bob.

not too good at the quotes thing!!   :blink:

So do I - but there are advantages :D


Didn't know that - thanks - first lap is warm up for the rolling start then! :)

Grats Martin  :clap:

Sry if I've missed some post.
Thx, but it has been tough. From the day I started really active in GPL (2001) it took me 3 weeks to go in negative. The first year I only went in Lotus, later changed to Eagle. All the other cars I only run to get my Monster Rank...it took me 5 years  :) I was Danish Champ in 2002.

Yes, a little confusing...so much Swedish, but I'm Danish  ;D
I have had much contact with Norway in GPL 'NGPLS', do you know??? Unfortunately, the Forum was on the old RSC & I don't know if the club is still alive.
Runar was the man behind, who was also behind: 1967 40th Anniversary World Championship...is it really only Hristo & I who were in it from UKGPL :D
http://1967legends.rscsites.org/standings.php (http://1967legends.rscsites.org/standings.php)
Maybe you want to see this video: Denmark vs Norway - a race I got set up in collaboration with Runar.
http://www.gt-legends.dk/GTLDK/showthread.php?210-GP-Legends (http://www.gt-legends.dk/GTLDK/showthread.php?210-GP-Legends)

After I saw the replay from Kyalami, damn how I speed switching, a habit I need to drop after several years in GTL. For the next race I'm thinking of upgrading to a Ferrari  :laugh:

That's a fantastic race documentary - one of the best I've seen!  Very high driving standard too! :)

Have you jumped in a GT yet, and competed in different mod years?

No I never knew Ngpls. I have been almost inactive from 99 to I joined this league autumn 09. Just did drop in races to lazy to contact any league for some time but I m real glad I finally did. Almost joined a brazilian league though. Nice blokes but my portuguese is n t that good and I needed a translator to join.again too lazy.I didn t use too long time on your links maybe but what was that 40 th anniversary? almost 150 drivers?
and I don t see video? :-\ ..well I ll go back in and see if I find out something more.
Why are you not in 65 and 66 ??? we need drivers and even better .theres a swede we can beat there... :)

The video link is a tiny Windows Media Player button at the end of the post. Almost 300 MB WMV file.

The Aniversary was in the Summer of 2007, celebrating 40 years since the real 1967 F1 Championship. It was quite good, we had 2 servers running because of the number of people, but the results from both were merged in a single standings after each event. It was very competitive as you can tell.  :)

mmm so it s the americans who call it soccer I got it.. :laugh:
and thanx H..for explaining anniversary and the movie. I ll go dl it :)

For those who may be interested in how aliens from the Norse countries ( and a few other places) manage to lap at world record pace even on full tanks!! here is the link to the results of the 2008 GPL World Cup.

It not only shows the results etc but there are downloads available so you can see how it should be done.....not that it ever helped me much, coz I still cannot get anywhere near those laptimes!! :-\

http://2008gplwc.rscsites.org/

I was using GPL TV to watch one of those WC races back then, at Spa. It was insane to watch 15 or so people lapping at almost equal pace consistantly, and being faster than my PB on each lap even on full tanks.

This one is for Vosblod,

This my opinion. I would consider it an honour to be in your position. You have earned your place in the top league and from what I saw of your lap times you are doing very well.
The best competition breeds excellence.

Enjoy,

Malcolm

Ehh? An honour??? I'd say say it was not a job most people would want until they did it ;D

TBH mate you just have to be a diplomat...

Maybe he means 'an honour' as in 'Vos! You have the honour of leading the suicide squadron over the deadly minefield...' :D

This was a fantastic race & it was supposed to be run each year, but people disappeared from GPL & this was also the reason that Denmark was not in the 2008 GPL WC  :(
No, have only driven GTL from the time I took a break from GPL...& I'm still running in UKGTL.

Now did you met some of them in the video from the good old days in NGPLS  ;)
I've always cared a lot on my GPL installation & therefore no Mods inside.  :D ...but it was tempting to tease a Swede  ;D

On the server I have messed with Gem+ and it works. Unfortunately, it also teased a lot & the server is started with Gem+, but if I choose Igor, server will not run in loop  ???
However if I choose Vroc in Gem+ running server perfect. Until one day I will have solved the problem, I have set the server up to run Edmonton...in Vroc  :)

Question: Where is this thread ?
UKGPL Season 20 (2010-2011) Graduates Cup (67) - Edmonton (GP) - Feb 6

Not up yet Pelle - only goes up a few days before the race.

As Paul says it won't be up for a bit. We try to avoid having too many race threads up in one go.

Whew, quite a late reply but thanks to Gizmo for fixing the forums for us!

Anyway, my Kyalami race was one with a lot of ups and downs. I'd practiced quite a lot here so felt ready to challenge everyone, however I didn't expect everyone turning up in a Lotus! In the first half of quali I couldn't string a clean lap together, but with about ten minutes left, I managed to completely nail my lap spot-on and smashed my PB with .3 of a second. Suddenly I was on pole and feeling confident it was a time that was going to be hard to beat for the Hiki Waza's and Colin's gang. Unfortunately Hristo managed to pull an even faster lap together right at the very end so I was moved back to P2. Was kinda disappointed about that as I really thought I nailed it there.

At the start I had a lot of wheelspin unfortunately, and then made the mistake of staying in first gear for too long, so a pair of Lotusses blew past me with their V8's like I was standing still. Bob and Tim got away together with Hristo but I managed to fend off Hiro and Al in the other 49's. In the first couple of laps I was struggling to find speed, my diff was kinda loose which felt safe but I had to push very hard to keep up with Bob in front. Hristo and Tim were slowly disappearing into the distance and I began thinking to myself: "This is not going to be my race". I then had a spin and Hiro managed to pass me. Behind Hiro I started to feel more comfortable with the car and times began dropping, being motivated by an ever growing image of a Cosworth V8 in front of me. I managed to outbrake Hiro going into T1 some laps later, and was slowly beginning to reel Bob in when I noticed a yellow flag meaning he had spun. In the excitement I spun my Fez too so I was back to square one. After that I pushed too hard leading to more mistakes, and eventually I dropped back behind Hiro and Al after a spin where I hit the barrier quite hard. After that I realised I was in luck to actually still be in the race after that hit, and I finally settled down. I found the pace to chase Al but he had nerves of steel and managed to get faster to the point where I ran out of laps to challenge him for position. So after Bob retired that was 5th place. Before the event I was expecting a podium at least, and maybe I would be able to challenge for the win, but I tried too hard and in the end I'm glad I managed a 4th at least.

Grats to Hristo, Tim and Tom!

Tom.

Moderation now published.

Must be feeling awkward to talk about yourself in 3rd person and also warn yourself like that.  ;D

LOL well I don't mod my own incidents, the others look at them.

Shouldn't that read "the others laugh at them" ?  :)