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UKGPL Season 20 Novices Trophy (1965 Mod) Race 7 January 25th

The second race of 2011 and the Novices join the AMateurs on the flight to catch some winter sun in South Africa, at Kyalami. First built in 1961 and first raced by F1 in 1966 following a major upgrade.

This is quite a track of 2 halves with the long straight offering some great slipstreaming opportunities which could end in disaster entering the long and slippery T1 at Crowthorne, especially on lap one. There is a large run off area but most drivers that use it do do not manage to find a quicker line than those who stay on the tarmac.

*** NOTE***
Ensure that you have the pit wall in place. Those without the pit wall will be disqualified.

The standard Papyrus track has a pit wall but there are patches available that remove it. The absence of a pit wall will not stop you from joining the race but anybody seen by the moderators miraculously driving through the pit wall on the server replay will be disqualified.

Follow these instructions to restore the wall if you have a mod that has removed it:
METHOD 1:
To place a wall between the pits and the track, rename or remove the kyalami.trk and kyalami.3do files from your kyalami folder.
METHOD 2:
To reinstall the original Papyrus Armco, rename or remove the Armco_s.mip file from your kyalami folder.

Please see the Novices registration thread for an explanation of the chassis allocations shown below:
https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=8416.0

FULL TIME

DRIVER	CHASSIS
Vosblod	Cooper
NHance	BT11
Miner2049er	Cooper
Il_Lupo	Ferrari
Billy NoBrakes	BT11
HappyAl	Ferrari
Gilles27	BT7
Burtoner	3
Nigel Smith	Honda
Ronnie Peterson	Lotus
Blito	Ferrari
Mark65	1
Artiglietti	Cooper
BadBlood	Honda
RogUK	Cooper
Norbert	Ferrari
Maddog	Cooper

RESERVE

DRIVER	CHASSIS
Karliss	Honda
Adamg67	BT11
Maestro	Cooper

Reserve drivers should not join the server until there are only 30 minutes of qualifying left so as to give the FULL TIME drivers chance to join, and drivers are not to go out on track until there are 30 minutes of qualifying left as this helps all drivers join the server successfully.

Please restrict chat to pit messages if necessary, and this includes the end of the race, until all running drivers have completed the necessary laps.

The Novice races are run under Int Long rules and all incidents will be moderated.

Race List = IGOR
Server = UKGPL5
IP address = ping myjamesonline.net
Race date = 25-01-2011
Time = 21:00 UK time
Track = Kyalami (kyalami)
Variant = 65F1
Damage Model = Int
Qualifying time = 35 minutes
Race length = 24 laps
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

65 Patch: The 2.02 Release of the 65mod can and should be used.
http://bit.ly/d8dECl

Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R;group=279;theme=6)

This is worth ten minutes of your time, if you want to see some great racing at this track.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/9100002.stm (1979 South African GP highlights).

A super detailed guide for Kyalami!

http://racingleague.co.cc/hikiwaza/track-guides/conquering-kyalami-in-1965-brabham-bt7/

This is good - not sure how useful it is 'cos there is NO WAY I am braking that late! In practice I have taken three second off my best to get to 1:27.4 - so by the end of Qually I should be holding the record...

...or perhaps not. :)

Thansk H, your guide will help me alot tonight. I completely forgot about this race, as I thought it was next week.

I will give it a few laps tonight and see if it's worth entering teh race.

Probably not mate :D

(Gotta get some points somehow)

Hey, considering your previous lap time differences, 27.4 is great! You're getting there, just a few more seconds to go!

There has been lots of help (not least from yourself) which is one of the reasons I think UKGPL is great!

I knew this race was going to be tougher than Sundays, as the Lotus was missing, and my advantage was gone.  But it proved even tougher than I'd thought. :-\

As I lingered in the chatroom, the field had already assembled for practice, and GEM wouldn't let me join, latency too high, even though my core.ini has the right numbers dialed in.  So, signal strength checked, then restarted the air cooled, stripped down, ultra-light desktop system, and finally gained access. Chucked out before I could get a lap on the board!  Bars had gone sky high! . . . could've used a drink. Grumble.

Reentered, with only enough time to 'run what I brung'.  This meant starting near the back, where the bars immediately started their counted down on, "Time Gentleman, please."  Which meant by the time the flag was dropped, so was I!  So I'm not waiting any longer for that drink, lousy Server!!      :2guns:

server was troublesome during practise but fine in the race...
pleased I hung around for it for i had a fantastic race! I made my first clean on-track pass in at least 7 years!!!
Had a great battle for the whole 2nd half of the race with "peter maestro" that saw passes and re-passes and was only resolved my knackered tyres refused to grip at the chicane on the final lap!! awesome stuff!
 

MASSIVE FUN.

Qually was tough as we kept getting chucked off when I was putting in my fastest lap but I got a 1:28 odd which was Ok - bit disappointing but I wasn't last again - hooray.

Got a good start and gained a few places but overcooked it at the Jusskei sweep and lost them again - went on a mission to hunt down Blito and Alistair and could keep up but not gain - which was lucky 'cos it gave mee a chance to avoid the carnage when Alistair parked his Fezza on the main straight sideways... Al caught me up again soon after and I outbraked myself at Crowthorne which put him under my rear wheels - just held the corner and drifted wide - couldn't see him and thought I just had a lead - I didn't he was beside me and I collected him at T2 :( He was ok, I span. :( Might get some penalties for that one but it is my first actual go at racing so I am not too experienced at this. When it happened I thought Al had tapped me from behind and it might have been his fault. Not so.

Concentrated on being as smooth as I could and put in some sub 1:30's which for me is fine. Made another mistake at the esses? and nearly collected the race leader who did brilliantly for me. I was so busy spinning I wasn't even sure I was facing the right way and I thought I could accelerate away cleanly. AA got a faceful of Armco but I think he was OK, let him past on the straight. Penalties? Hope not. Ronnie had obviously had a problem because I was suddenly racing him - he passed me beautifully (I had time to admire it) into T2 on the lap but I kept pace with him and got a clean pass at Crowthorne - my first ever - I don't think he fought me to hard! We had a good scrap for a couple of laps and when I got the last turn wrong (again) Ronnie backed off and left me room. Got the last turn wrong again but this time went wide on the grass - had to reverse and start again - to my surprise Ronnie was only a little ahead going slowly going up the hill - did he have a problem? I thought so and chased him hard down the straight. He held me off fairly easily and stretched away. We were then passed and Ronnie made a small mistake which allowed me to catch up. This time I did have the legs at Crowthorne but I overcooked it at T2 overcorrected and crossed the track into him - nothing I could do as I was a passenger but I am really sorry about it.

On looking at the replay - Ronnie didn't have a problem - he slowed so we could race - I really appreciate that and I want to pay tribute to him. I also paid him back by punting him off the track and nicking his place (the shame). After that it was just a case of bringing it home and with Karliss behind shown as +1L I relaxed - oops on the last bend he was 68 yds behind and I was going slowly - could I hold him off for a lap - CONCENTRATE. But to my vast relief I had the lap count wrong and saw the chequered flag.

My best race by far. Sorry to anyone I held up, particularly AA.

Sorry also for the massive missive but I AM BUZZING.

To be clear for the future - is the pit wall required to avoid DQ (I had it) or is the DQ if you drive through it.

Worst race ever for me,lost it at crowthorne after about 3 laps braked to late, then chasing Karliss rearended him on the pit straight (sorry Karliss) next lap went to pit and missed the entrance lol next lap to pit crashed into pit wall, time to leave, grats to podium.

I am not sure why we have the pit wall rule - it makes the pit entrance bloody tricky :( As long as it is the same for everyone, it should be OK and most do not have the wall by default, I think.

Can’t be too disappointed as I forgot all about this race and only started practice at 18:00. Luckily I have raced here a few times before and watching H’s race guide helped me remember the track quite quickly. I got to a pace that I thought was OK to race, in the pre race practice races I was going quite well, so I was looking forward to the race starting.

When it did start I was settling into my Qualifying rhythm, then the server kicked me out. I believe it was the same for everyone, but at first I thought it was just me, so I kicked the kids off the internet :) Once back to a stable server I lost my rhythm (I’ve got the race driver excuses sorted, just the speed to go) and was well over a second off my pre race pace. Was OK, and looking at the other times I was happy enough were I was.

At the start I took the first lap or two steady, and was straight into a fight with Pete M, I got a really good run on Pete on the finish straight, I when the wrong way (hindsight is great) and went to the right, which was running out of tarmac very quickly. I checked my mirrors and I thought I was fully past Pete so moved back onto line, needless to say I wasn’t 100% past him and the back of my wheel hit his front. Sorry about that Pete and I hope it didn’t ruin your race too much. After that my car was running but very slowly, so I took a Shift & R.

I got back too it and caught Pete M again, I nipped past him as he was very slow into the first corner. We had a small battle for a while until I made a small mistake coming out of turn 2, Pete got a run on me and got past me into the fast turn 3, and unfortunately he didn’t leave me any room and punted me off. After a spin my car was OK so I got back to it.

Badblood has got past me during these off’s, I caught him up and was looking for a way past, he made a small mistake and went wide going into turn 2. The space looked good so I went for it. I kept a tight line, as I knew he was likely to make the corner so I left him space. He came back on line, as he obviously didn’t think I was next to him, the collision didn’t effect me but I saw him spin out, sorry about that if it was my fault.

After that I was pretty lonely, I reeled the remaining laps off without too much incident. I was still slow, the whole race I was at least 1 second off my best times in the pre race practices. I can’t be too disappointed as I thought this race was next week so had about 2 hours practice. Will be back stronger for the next race.

If people don't have the pit wall it gives them a wider start finish straight so it is easier for them to pass people who do have the pit wall.

For that reason we require that everyone has it so that we all have the same amount of track to use.

It is not an automatic DQ but the moderator will watch the replay and see if anybody drives through it, meaning they don't have it installed.

For some reason the server was misbehaving but eventually it got going, unlike me. I've never been that fast at Kyalami and my previous win here was through consistency rather than pace.

Qually was OK and my time was where I expected it to be but was only good enough for 11th.

I spent the first couple of laps trying to find a way past Billy who had a set of bright purple tyres that were playing him up a bit mid corner and eventually I squeezed past but wasn't able to get away from him, and once he warmed his racing purples up he reigned me in before driving right past me on the straight.

I never troubled anyone else in front after that and just picked up a couple of places as people fell away.

Anderstorp next and another track with a loooooooooooooong straight.

Oh boy!

Yeah whose idea was that? ;)

Certainly one of the more entertaining races. Almost a full grid where a few 10ths made quite a big difference to your grid position. Great discipline by the whole field on lap one with no major incidents that I’m aware of.
Enjoyed a good battle with Mike early on, was gifted 3 places by the Norm / Ronnie incident and spent the last few laps trying to catch up with Vos but really needed another 10 laps.  The long straight definitely favoured engine power – although AA & Gilles seemed to find a way round that.
I know it was the 60’s & GPL decided to jazz up my car. According to my replay my tyres were black but others were seeing red & purple rubber. Also the front half of my BT11 was a brilliant white – so it looked a bit like Honda but without the extra engine power.
On to Anderstorp where I’m going to race in Jimi Hendrix shirt, flared trousers & stack heels.

Wow! That was pretty intense racing :)

My best performance since joining UKGPL and although I didn't win I'm still delighted with the result. Spent the whole race chasing Attilio, usually between 2 and 3 seconds behind. We both drove right on the limit for 24 laps without errors which is certainly something I've not managed before. Grats to Attilio on a great victory.

I am starting to enjoy the BT7 now and recent changes to my setup, particularly the diff, are allowing me to go quicker than before. I feel like being given a slower car has forced me to improve so perhaps I should thank the moderator after all :) With three races to go my points lead is healthy but I am concerned that once the two worst scores are dropped it could be pretty tight :)

A quick shout out to Fabio who continued his great form - three podiums in a row now well done that man. Also to Nigel who bagged his best result of the season (so far!) with fourth.

Best of all it was great to see a packed grid hope we can keep it that way till the end of the season.

Don't think it was you, Alistair - I had, as you said, lost it into Crowthorne and was wide as a result but that is my preferred line anyway - I thought I had my nose ahead but the replay shows you much further up than I anticipated - I thought that you would have had to drop back at Crowthorne to avoid me there but you got a pretty good run. Lack of racecraft on my part but it is really my first experience of reall wheel to wheel racing. Hope ther is no penalty but I fear the worst!

What makes you think yuo'll improve those scores? The wazas are coming... :)

The default is WITH a wall, what most have is an add-on, but that doesn't mean everyone has it. Besides, it's much safer on the start with the wall in place, otherwise you get people going into the pitlane and then coming 3-4 wide into T1 which almost always leads to a disaster. Besides, the pit entry is the same to everyone, so you're not handicapped in any way.

Quallied 5th and finished 5th which is about right.
An enjoyable outing for me. I had no chance of a look in against the lightning speeds of Art and Ross in the Coop and BT7 (well done you two) but was pleased to head up the remaining Coopermen. During the race Fabio and Nigel passed me on the straight and I just had to watch them slowly dissappear, even a bit of tow didn't help. Still, can't moan, the chassis allocation didn't stop the two frontrunners.
After that I had a bit of a gap ahead of Billy but not enough to get comfortable. Sure enough it dropped in fits and starts but I kept pushing knowing if he got into my tow I'd be watching him waving as he passed on the straight too.

Don't know the last three circuits that well so must do some practice.

PS: very strange but Norm had bright red tyres, and that was before he heated them up. See Mike was treated to a psychedelic experience as well.

No problems on track Paul but a few slight issues around my PC (headphones falling off, steering wheel loose, hearing Utd had got the winner etc) had me driving a little stop start for a while. After dropping out of the battle at the sharp end, due to an earlier coming together with Norm, I did drop alongside for some racing with yourself, ensuring I did not interfere with anyone lapping me during the course of our scrap. Was that pass on me genuine??? Well I saw you go past me so yes. But don't do it again.

On the subject of our coming together Norm, sorry, we both deserved better. I looked at the replay and yes I had the inside line, wheels just ahead, but to my eye I was only going to make it stick if you had backed off. No reason why you should have I hasten to add and the inevitable happened. I was only racing but if you feel I was out of order and want to report it, no hard feelings from this side. After Imola and this one we really should stay apart or people will be talking! Did you really have red tyres?

Conratulations to thje podium. Attilio and Ross did wonders with those cars and yes I agree Fabio was excellent again in that Ferrai. As for me after this and the Privateers race at the weekend I’m just glad to see the back of Kyalami, total nightmare.

WOW! A third consecutive podium was really unexpected here...
I must thank Pete and Ronnie that eliminate themselves and I only had to avoid any mistake until the end of the race.
Grats to Attilio and Ross that yesterday were racing in another world.
Thx to everybody raced and to the organization
See you all in cold Sweden (not the right place for a February race I guess...)

Long Live GPL! Long Live UKGPL!

I'm with Rog. This was my worst UKGPL race ever
Seen your post Ronnie seems your not going to report it so I wont. No hard feelings, Its closed unless the moderators  raise it. My tyres wern't red but the car body was, just like Imola.

The 3 or 4 laps that followed really got to me. ShiftR but made a mess of the difficult pit entry so set off on another lap whereupon my brand new engine blew before I completed a lap. ShiftR again & called at the pits for s&g then did another lap & another s&g so all my dues are paid. These 2 laps were slow & scrappy & I went off the track & several cars passed. The leaders I think. Started again & by now prebluda was red & I didn't really know my position. Joined behind a duel between Karliss & HappyAl but not sure if they were on the same lap. Passed Karliss but I'm sure he deliberately allowed it & I had some more "offs". Decided to retire as I was now driving very badly. I didn't want to cause an accident & ruin anyone's race. The first time I have ever voluntarily left a race. Spent the rest of the race viewing on board with Attilio, Ross, Fabio(well done you 3) & Pete (not in a BT11) & Billy ('cos he was in a BT11).

On a lighter note. The qually of Ross & Attilio with a 1.24.99 was unbelievable. I have a theory that Attilio is a direct descendant of Alberto Ascari. Same initials. Only explanation I can think of  ;D
I'm over it, I'll be back. See you in Sweden. :)
Norm H

Well, thats the thing NH: Alberto Ascari, Nino Farina, Attilio Artiglietti, Tazio Nuvolari. I think it blends well, has got the resonance of one of those ancient and legendary, but also bizarre Italian names... :laugh:

This was the best race I drove out of the handful I have under my belt. Within my obvious limits, it was as close to spotless as they come. Managed a good time in qually (with a tow..) among a lot of traffic and distraction due to the server probs (same for everybody of course). Good start, incredibly intense race. I turned my prib off, not to lose focus, but whilst I was pushing, I was constantly reminded Ross was there and I couldnt afford any mistake, since even when I could pull off a gap sufficient to shut up that annoying high pitched buzz he tried to distract me with, I could see his dotty shadow sweeping through my mirrors here and there along the circuit. Fantastic race mate, will remember this one.

Had a little adventure with a Honda, which I found lazily laying across the track just when I had passed the crest at the beginning of the esses :scared: :scared:. For a change, almost a first for me, I made the RIGHT split decision, and went left for the grass and the armco. Speed was low, so I could unglue the thing quickly enough to rejoin in front. Following lap was my fastest, it would have netted me pole, and without a tow..I got a notice for reported incident about this one Paul, it was you I suppose, but I dont see anything wrong with what you did, when you spin you stop where you stop!

Special thanks to Alistair who let me by going on the grass when he realised I was getting ragged behind him. I obviously dont expect people to do that on a regular basis, but it was much appreciated since I was finding difficult to get close enough to have a proper lapping, and I had a buzzing thing up my backside all way round..

I noticed myself the field is becoming more competitive; at this rate, you are going to have a Cooper championship next season....

Grats to the other podium boys, see you at the next one.   

Yeh, sorry 'bout that Atillio, I was just having a little picnic... Once I'd stopped spinning I wasn't even sure I was facing the right way which is why I pulled away a bit tentatively. You truly saved my bacon. It wasn't a reset but I might get a smack on the wrist :(

It is surprising the mix of races - some great, others woeful. Perhaps a measure of my ability when I am cock a hoop at 11th (even if Ronnie should have been there).

Just to let you know how a real novice thinks:

I was lapping at high 1:28s relatively easily with odd 1:34 thrown in when I made a mistake. My plan was to be really steady and I calculated that if I could just average 1:30 I might not even get lapped. I thought pole would be 1:25.7 or so so I reckoned on losing 4 secs or so a lap - or 1:36 in the race.

Well that plan went out the window. Mistake on the first lap gave me a 1:39 and then more little errors meant I was lapping at 1:32 :( Best I could do was a 1:28. something which was a bit disappointing but the thing I found REALLY tough was finding out from Prib who the hell I was racing and who was lapping me. I wasn't going to fight anyone too hard for a place (you are all quicker after all) but I found myself in a couple of real races which was a new experience. What a buzz.

So on to Sweden and I'll be steady there - I promise,  I really will, No! I will. I mean it...

Yeah, thats the problem I have while lapping, I am always worried the guy in front doesnt know it is not for position. I mean, everyone was fine last night, but for instance during the last spec race I followed someone for the last 2 laps, because he didnt let me pass and I could afford to slow down since I had a big margin behind. I think he didnt realize he was being lapped, but arent you supposed to be shown blue flags that only the lapped guy can see? I think it works like that with the AI.

Blue flags definitely help

Just tried out Anderstorp - oh dear. Think a time of 1:45 will be more than sufficient there - only got to find 8 seconds :(

Yes but sometimes I think GPL forgets to do that, at least from some of the past race reports I've read. Prib can tell you, if you have it, but sometimes that plays odd tricks so I never rely on it.
Before anyone starts saying 'don't use Prib' ;) I know and completely appreciate the non-Prib camps point of view, I just choose to as I like some things about it.

In the end it's awareness of who you're racing with directly (ahead and behind), how far they are (were) on the previous lap (pitboard/pribluda) and then listening carefully for car engines and looking at your mirrors, to distinguish the cars, and to judge their speed. Blue flags or Pribluda should only be used to fill in the gaps.

I know it's difficult when you're occupied with driving, but what helps is to establish a few points around the track at which you'll do those checks consistently and focus purely on your driving the rest of the lap. Good spots for doing checks are most corner exits which lead to longer straights, just after the car has been balanced after taking the corner.

I'm a prib fan. Without it most people have no idea who is behind them and in what position. Am I biased in my opinion? Probably, its lack of use by another driver on Saturday most likely cost me the win at Kyalami. But I believe in freedom of choice and agree with Hristo that if you listen and look and pay more attention to who you are racing with then you should not need to rely on it. How do you get the damn thing to work with v2 rasterisers in Direct3D anyway?

There are two main problems with Pribluda (which I've already spoken of in the past):

1) It doesn't always show you the correct driver ahead/behind of you, and it doesn't always show you the correct distance/time gap to them. It probably has to do with it skipping data during each update step, due to any momentary connection issues, but it's a real problem and I've had it happen many times back when I was using Pribluda, and I know it's been happening to everyone else.

2) It's very distracting! Taking your eyes and focus off the road to read all that info can lead to a lot of trouble. We've had multiple examples of that as well.

There is a thread here with the answer Ronnie because I wrote it.

I have the patches you need at home. Took me a while and a disco from Zandvoort to sort it.

Yes you do get shown Blue flags (most of the time), but sometimes they are difficult to see and, as H has already pointed out, when you are busy trying to keep the car on teh road it can be difficult to notice them.

I use Prib, and have points on the track where I know it's safe to look at it, I work out my points during pratice. If I'm in a battle and I know there is no one going to come up behind me I tend to just focus on driving, but if I'm lonely I will always keep an eye on Prib.

No problem getting out of your way AA, and Russ, I really don't want to mess with a battle for the lead, I saw that you two were close so I thought it was best to completely get out of the way.

    Just a few observations as there have been some lengthy posts already.
   Weird graphic glitches included Fabio's Ferrari/Honda hybrid and Ross's white BT7, but all tyres were
black- very strange night.
    Qually for me was just a matter of getting a lap in at all what with the server problems and 7th for me was a definite improvement on my recent qualification performancces.
    Steady Eddie on lap 1, and see what happens. What happened was I got around to the straight and found I'd cocked up 5th and 6th gears somehow- almost bogged going from 4th to 5th, and 6th was no higher! The good news was a very controllable setup and I'd remembered to put full fuel in for once:)
    The race itself was a combination of luck [gained a few positions when those ahead decided to love it up] and steady pressure on Vos for a few laps, who finally caved climbing the hill before the line. Did you miss a gear? I went around the outside of you as I didn't want to stray over the pit wall I hadn't got.
    Last part of the race involved trying to get closer to Fabio's multicoloured Fezza, but there just wasn't time .
    4th will do methinks- for now!
 PS Thanks for the compliment Ross.
PPS And thanks for all the help, guidance of everyone and the sheer fun that is UKGPL

Great result, Nige, grats! All your 4th places are belong to HER!  ;D

Yes well done Nigel, the only problem being that you've admitted having no pit wall in place which DQs you as per the race announcement.

Shame really. Still, at least I would pick up another place..............................

Any latitude on this Mike? If no advantage is gained no damage was done. Nigel didn't stop and didn't go through the wall. The announcement is ambiguous as I alluded to but I, for one, wouldn't like to gain a place because somebody misread an announcement. I don't think (with all respect, Nige) the points will have an effect on the outcome of the championship. Perhaps a vote amongst the drivers? We ARE novices after all :)

If he never cut across the line where the pit wall is, why should he be DQ? I definitely remember people using the no pit-wall patch before and simply stayed within the boundaries during the race, never getting disqualified for that.

Ok I appreciate that I didn't read the race notice closely enough. I tried the instructions for replacing the wall but, probably due to my own computer 'numptniness' the whole track disappeared.On the re-install the pit wall still wasn't there.
So I blithely wandered on remembering PREVIOUS race announcements that  qualified the subject with an 'if any infringement onto the pitwall area' is noticed etc etc .
Both my hands are up [they're no use anywhere else] and I will stand by any decision by the modds. My neck is offered, in the very best tradition.

what should be a competitive time for anderstop?
id did test race with Ai, but seems on that track all virtual drivers are slow and after 2 laps going mad... crashing in T1 one behind other

I  have always understood that it is "at the drivers discretion" whether or not to have the pitwall in place.

However, if the driver is seen to pass through the pitwall regardless of any advantage gained, or not, he will be disqualified.

Therefore the rule allows you to have Kyalami WITHOUT a pit wall, but the onus is upon you to keep well clear of that area or risk a DQ.

Even if you have the pitwall on show, it is suicidal to drive along that side of the track anyway as it narrows and will cause you grief for sure.

Nigel,

I have a Kyalami post, with a link part way down, which connects to an Armco barrier, which you can modify to damage 65 cars. :angel:
https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?PHPSESSID=cbc80f7761817b4404bc514a3c643dc6&topic=8216.45

Thanks Maddog, will work on that when I next get to the home pc.

Shut up you fool, there is a place at stake here.


 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

i should think there were quite a few drivers without the wall........

I read this as it being OK to join without the pit all but to do so was at yer own risk of being DQ'd  if seen to drive through it .

Some had trouble replacing said wall,  as was the case with at least one driver in the Ams race who discussed the matter in chat but was unable to resolve the problem and was told to join the race regardless but was warned not to cross the line   ::)

N.B. my own wall was fully intact having spent the previous evening building it

You can't actually prove he didn't have the wall in place unless he crossed it on the replay.  ;) Everything else is just words, even if it's from Nige's own mouth (fingers).  ::)

There may indeed be a place at stake ...but its a Waza place!!! ;D.......not that I am in any way biased you understand  ::)

Hristo is quite correct. There is no way of knowing for sure if anyone does or does not have the pitwall in place, unless they are seen to drive through it on the server replay. :angel:

I think what Nigel meant was "The pit wall I didn't have in place before I fixed it"

That IS what you meant, isn't it Nige!

I'm sitting on the wall on this one  ;D

You better hope Nige doesn't drive through you.  ;)

Mike = I;ve changed my mind - disqualify all the drivers you even SUSPECT of not having a wall - I might get a podium here.

BTW - I definitely had a wall and I can prove it - ha.

I've done ten laps or so and I haven't changed my gears yet which will gain me a second maybe and I am lapping at about 1:47-1:48. So the quick boys will be doing 1:42-3 I would guess. Maybe quicker - I find this one quite tricky. I think the WR is something like 1:39.

Anderstorp -

There is very little grip. I avoid the ridges in places so the marked race line ain't always the best. Set up - well I tried a downloaded one (desperate now you see) from Clutch's favourite Sim Racing race engineer & couldn't get below 1.42.  My own set up is a bit erm.... odd but if you were in UKGPL last season have a look at what you were driving at Westwood.
Ok I can get in the 1.41's for qually, but I'm inconsistant so it'll be embarrasing if I can't on race night now. The top two( you know who ;)) will be in the 1.40's at a guess & if it's 1.39's :'(.
Norm H

Well, you are a pretty pessimistic chap Norm...if it's 39s in one of the saloons is a WR or there about , by the way! But yes, it is a tricky track, I agree on that. And dont forget there might be a problem with tire temps during the race, which would be a first with me...

Anderstorp is tricky.......even for Ronniepeterson!!!

i love anderstorp! PB is 1:43.1

Anderstorp - yuck yuck yuck. 1:46.5 and that is after 50 laps practice :(

Back to the rear...

Turns out I can't make Anderstorp after all  >:(

Have to go away for a couple of nights unexpectedly. Was looking forward to using the Honda grunt on the straight too!

Lengthy race mod published.

Thanks for all the overtime.

Thanks for the mod Mike

Just a couple of things - Nigel should DEFINITELY be disqualified and Alistair should get a lap and 30 secs for his outrageous failure to take an SnG...

...that's me ninth then :D

This was a fun race.

Just to be clear - I am kidding....

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