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Practice/Quali 1: 19:40 (UK London) (45 mins)
Qual 2: 20:25 (15 mins)
Race: ~20:40 (8 laps)
Cars allowed: Porsche 906, Porsche 906E, Chevrolet Corvette L88, Ferrari 275 Special

Track: Spa 1967 (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3356.msg54900#post_spa1967)
Time of Day Setting: 13:00
Weather: Dry
Start: Standing

Tyre wear: 1X
Fuel consumption: 1X
Pit-stops: None required

Qualifing procedure

• The practice session will also serve as a quali session for all drivers.
• The server will then advance to Q2 where the top 6 will do a 1 lap shootout for pole. All other drivers must remain in the garage. Your grid position from the practice session will be retained.
• Since this is such a long track with quite long lap times, the top 6 will go out on track together, space themselves out, and then make a 1 lap bid for pole.
• There are no resets. If you crash, then make the most of it. Get across the line.
• The server administrator will advance to the race session once everyone has had an opportunity to qualify

Server: simracing.org.uk - P&G
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Championship Standings (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=292&theme=34)

Notes:
(1) It's best if all drivers can make sure they are connected before the Qualifying session as drivers on track during qualifying will not see cars that join after they are on track until they go back to the garage.
(2) Please make sure you are fully aware of the SimRacing.org.uk Rules (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?pid=7) especially the rules about in-game chat messages.
(3) You will need to install Power and Glory v2 from here (http://www.gtlw.co.uk/), 2.1 patch from here (http://www.gtlw.co.uk/) and enable terrain patch.
(4) P&G has no 'Pit Speed Limiter' function. You may go as fast as you like in the pits, but please exercise caution. Penalties will be handed out for causing contact in the pit lane. Use your best judgement when making your pitstop during the race.

Superb car choice and track this time Mike  8)

Last time I raced here it was a night race. This time I hope to see where I'm going  :angel:

Thanks Tony. I wanted to find another car that would be competitive, but everything was too far off the mark.

I tried the Q1 night quali session offline. It is quite beautiful guys. You should check it out. I did so in a GT40 MkII. I don't know how these guys did the 24 hour race in real life. The speeds are simply awe inspiring and the lack of bright headlights back then must have been terrifying.

Mike, the track download link is pointing at Silverstone.

Another spec race in a Porsche...

I don't care if it's slower, please just give us something like the Ferrari 275 GTB Speciale to have a choice.

Thanks Tony. I've changed the link to Spa. I sent Dave the installer. He should update soon. In the mean time, you can download the installer from my Humyo account.
http://www.humyo.com/FSlWqtt/Tracks/Spa1967_2.0.0.0.exe?a=YTlNmQ-sOcY

I've got Spa '67 - That'll work fine with what-ever you guys concoct won't it?  :D

Can't wait to post my 906 through the front door of the house at Masta.

But I can't see the track on the link. 

The server is using version 2. The server is running the track now. Try to connect.

Though the 906 is very popular with most people and at the old Spa will be entertaining
I am somewhat with Legzy, We've done a spec race with my least fave car
now we have a spec race with my 2nd least fave, if i can get the 906 round
then i will probably take it, but it would be nice to have a vegetarian non rear
engined option on the menu.

Mike looks like the track we used in GTLDK Le Mans 1972 Series.  For those who haven't raced here it is extremely fast with many flat in 5th curves - lose it here and it's invariably a big one.

I don't mind the 906 but I feel for those who hate it as there's little room for error here.

The Ferrari 275 isn't competitive, but I can add it for those who want a GT class. Let me do a quick test tonight. I want to make sure the engine isn't too fragile.

Hope to join to Spa - great track, great car choice.

But there is a problem:

Had to make a new install of P&G recently and now, whenever I try to join the online game I get the message "thrown out due to cheat suspicion".

Does anybody have an idea how to solve this?

Any help will be appreciated.

Thanks.

You need to turn on the Terrain Patcher found under Start programs menu

Always lurrrrv the 906 and Spa 67 is such a scarey track  :o

Isn't there a suitable big American beastie to keep less sophisticated types happy?  ;D

Thanks Tony - forgot about that.

What about the 906LH for this race?


BTW: can't await the release of P & G 3

The 906LH is a death trap.

lol  :jumpjoy:

This is going to be a monster slipstreaming battle.  So much of it is foot to the floor.   ;D

The Masta Kink isn't such an issue as it is in GPL, I think I took it flat on my second attempt.

3:48.4 is my best after about five laps.

wish everyone would stop whining when a porsche happens to be picked for a single car race like its some conspiracy against their driving prowess  ::) , its not like its every bleeding week and there have been plenty of races using other car makes & types, so just get on with it or wait another week if it doesnt appeal. Peace be with you  :angel:

Great car and a great track  8)

Think I proved it wasn't at Hockenheim last season actually - taking the only LH to 5th and only let down by my normal strategy issues IIRC  :P

Your Hockenheim run was amazing Tim and I still haven't figured out how you did that.

I used the LH at Sarthe and found that it was an awful thing to drive, particularly at the flat out kink on the Mulsane.

Hockenheim, to my recollection, did not have anything similar to the kink but Spa has a whole shed load of flat out corners.  Have you tried the LH yet?  I suspect that it will suffer more here.

I understand that the GTLWS boffins accept that the LH has a bug.

I did some testing with the Ferrari 275 Special and some additional testing with the Penske L88 Corvette.

When deciding on this track, I originally wanted to run the L88 as it's huge engine suits this track well. I was able to get the locomotive running a little over 170 mph. I don't recall the top speed as brake zones come up quickly at those speeds and it takes some time to look down. While the Ferrari sounds incredible, it's corner speeds are only slightly higher than that of the Vette, but it gives up quite a bit in the straight bits. The 906E is flat most of the track including the Masta kink and is a joy to drive. It seems like this car was designed with this track in mind. In the end, I chose the 906 because I thought it would yield the best racing. I imagined a conga line of 906's drafting NASCAR style.

In the interest of attempting to satisfy those with a distaste for Porsches (blasphemers) I am adding the L88 Vette and Ferrari 275 Special. Here are my lap times and setups for each.

• 906E = 3:44.3  http://www.humyo.com/FSlWqtt/Setups/?a=nc8Yq6fpHaw,Fv8k5LFeut8,x7S8krgNJP8
• Penske L88 Vette = 3:47.7  http://www.humyo.com/FSlWqtt/Setups/Spa67-L88%20Vette.svm?a=x7S8krgNJP8
• Ferrari 275 Special = 3:51.2  http://www.humyo.com/FSlWqtt/Setups/Spa67-Ferrari%20275%20Special.svm?a=Fv8k5LFeut8

Crivens!  I need another four seconds.  :surrender:

I agree Mike, as I did my second lap I thought that the two of them were made for each other.

It feels to me to be a totally different animal when compared to other Porsches and whilst it might be a bit low I don't think that I can call it an ankle biter.

The combination of the 906 and Spa is like chalk and cheese compared to the last round and I thank you for an imaginative combination.

And if you are only at 47s with the L88 there is no way that I'm even unlocking that garage door!

MJ, I don't give a monkeys if a Porka is available as a choice to drive. But they are 'special interest' type cars & not everyone's cup of tea (Just like sticking on a Mini only race).
The last race was a Porka only & I sat it out through lack of interest, just as you suggest... But here we are, two weeks later at the next race & it was posted as another Porka only race. By the time this race comes round, it will already have been 4 weeks since the last time I got to race UKPnG (due to the new Thursday Time-Share agreement between Mike & Tony for GTL+PnG ::)), I love PnG (& GTL) & it has so many fantastic cars! Single spec races week after week just rob people of opportunity. Opportunity to experience the joy so many PnG cars offer!
So don't get in a panic & feel the need to defend Porka's MJ, if it had been a single spec *insert any car name here* car race for example, I'd have been equally baffled. Once in a while (as a treat ;)) spec races can be great, but in the last four races, this is the 3rd single spec one.

p.s. Though I will say, this is the one of the three spec races that stands out as a great match up of car & track.

Talk about a massive generalisation. So the 914, 906, RSR and IROC all drive exactly the same?

Do i have to point out your Avatar? ;) ;D

Sorry, my mistake... This would have been the 4th single spec race from the last five races & the third Porka only one. So MJ was right, it not quite every week :laugh:

personally im still of a preference to a free reign of cars at all our P&G events, so everyone gets to drive their favourite cars flat out. It makes the grid look and sound fantastic and seems to generate better attendances. Just read an article on the last Spa 6hours classic event and it had a great array of different racing cars taking the top slots at different points of the race.
The flipside is you could end up in a car that has no-one to race if they havent picked a similar paced machine, and the other negative is that people always seem to go straight and pick 'the' fastest car for that particular circuit  ::)

'Till then, learn to love the Pork  ;D

Great chat-up line MJ

Yup. Historic GT racing is all about different cars imo from a time when cars were not designed on a computer and tested in a windtunnel.
So I don't mind if I have slower car... I am slow anyway  :P

Can the Fezza and Corvette be added to the server please?

And can we choose from both Roadster or Coupe versions of the L88?

Thanks for the heads up Tony. I added the cars this morning. All L88's are welcome.

I'm having trouble accessing the forums again. They weren't available the past couple of hours.

Just finished a rather eventfull 60 car race here. The AI have some stupendous pile ups. Best time of 3:56 in the Porsche 906-E.

The 906 I find a pleasure to drive. The 906E I can't stop from swapping ends at every bend.  :-\

CHortle

I don't hate real piggies, just the P&G ones (and maybe GTL one) I am not generally much use in any rear engine cars
and the 911 variants here drive like thay are not connected to the road, and have half a ton of cement
in the back. The 906 is almost as strange at most tracks IMHO. MIke is correct though for here they drive
quite well and are not difficult. That is with my "safe" setup which is also likely to be slow. my best so far
is a low 59 in the 906-E. Tried the silver 275 spec, and kept falling off.... not tried L88 yet.

I like the idea of spec races with varied cars, even all the time, but two rear engined piggies in succesion
that I usually avoid like the plague is too much masochism for early February.

Try Mike's setup for it Phil, I found it still a little tailhappy but softened it up a little & immediately went 4s faster than I'd managed with the 906.

I just had a conference call scheduled for 21:00 on Thursday. I'll be able to join you guys for practice/quali and maybe 1 or 2 laps, but I will not be able to finish the race. Shame. I was really looking forward to a drafting battle.

A 3:56 too for me in the 906E.

It was Mike's setup I was using. Looks like it was a car problem. I was using #22 - the Fred Baker green thing. I can barely get it out the pits without it spinning. Try it. I just tried one of the others and knocked 8 seconds off my best time in the 906. Still only managed a 3.50, so lots of work required yet but at least it stays pointed in the right direction now.  :)

Um

I think I meant 59.... best now is a 51

Guess I should have been specific on the car I used. That is one of the things I love about the P&G tire model. Each is uniquely different. I was using the blue 906E on the Goodyear tires. The Green #22 car uses Dunlops. Interesting that I didn't take this one. I usually prefer the feel of the Dunlop tires over the Goodyears.

As an ex-GPL driver at race winner at this track in GPL, I have to give this a blast, got it all working, just need to get some setups and tweak about with the sensitivity on wheel, or wheel ratio, then im sorted..

What G25/G27 settings are people using in PnG?

I've just spent 40 minutes wrestling with it and am feeling a tad mashochistic - Can you confirm it's deffo not an option for idiots like me, as aside from the brown trouser moment each lap (Masta kink on opposite lock anyone? :eek:) I actually prefer it's handling to the other 906's available. Don't fancy a honking great V8 or screamy V12 either as the 908 just seems to work here.....


I'm using 540 degrees on my wheel I think Burt, coupled with max steering angle in the P&G setup screen and strong feedback  :)

It's getting too late to be adding cars FMG. The event is 2 days away. I'd prefer if we keep the field set as is.

Similar here Burt:-
Wingman Global Device Settings
Overall Effects Strength 92%
Spring Effect Strength  0%
Damper Effect Strength 0%
Enable Centering Spring in Force Feedback Games is NOT TICKED
Report Combined Pedals is NOT TICKED
Degrees of Rotation 394º
Allow Game to adjust Settings is TICKED

In Game:
FORCE FEEDBACH EFFECTS High
FORCE FEEDBACK STRENGTH 97%

Maximum Steering lock in car setup.

Mike, Q2 is a qualifying session in the dark, is this what we will use.  ???  8)  If so folks you'll need one of the many "Bright Headlights" down loads.  :thumbup1: :wheelchair: :rockon:

At least there are plenty of start lights on poles on this version, as opposed to those silly little lights, on the standard GTR2 versions that you can't see from my customary place at the rear of the grid.  ::)

Is there a brighter headlights mod for GTR2? I know there is for GTL

You think that's hard? You should try starting at the back of a grid in GPL, as often as not you can't even see the flag man  ;D

Should make this one tonight. I've only had a few laps and I'm well off the pace of the times posted here. I'll just try to keep it facing forwards and to finish in one piece.

Hell's teeth!  Not qualifying in the dark again!  Same think happened on Tuesday with the 2004 version.

Can it be fixed?  Or can we just draw lots?

I thought it was Q1 that was in the dark. Let me do a quick check again.
Yes. It is Q1 that is in the dark. Q2 is bright and sunny. If you haven't tried the Q1 session, I hightly recommend it. The starts and the artificial lighting on the trees look fantastic. When going by the trees, just imagine a dude has a bright spotlight on them.

My ability to make this race is looking more and more sketchy. My house in East Haven sprung a leak in the water pipes and I need to go now to look at it. Add to that, my 4:30 meeting is still on. Hopefully I'll be able to join in on quali and a couple race laps.

Pah! wimps

You need to try a whole race at night in a '72 Corvette  :ninja:

I use 540 degrees just because I prefer to keep my hands on the wheel all the time.

No we don't.   ::)

I can't see the UK-SIM server or any Spa 67 track from the lobby / internet. Actually I can see only 7 games hosted there, which looks odd.

I something wrong, or is it my connection or something ?


Stig / Hotkeys

same here

Server has just restarted
I couldn't figure how to do Qual 1 without Prac1, so we have Prac1 (hopefully not dark) Qual2, then race.

Hmm ...... strange ???

I see only 6 games available and still not our race   :(

Stig

Apologies to all who got involved in the carnage I caused at Malmedy on the first lap  :( :( :(

I would be one of them sadly. Was tailing Alex nicely in about 6th, saw an issue ahead & eased off, started braking a bit to be able to pick my way through & got hoofed up the rear end, someone still going full tilt, ignoring the cars slowing down ahead :(
So found myself in 2nd last & did the rest of the race with broken suspension & a wheel tilted round... all on my own till the last lap & half when I found Alex again.

An evening to forget from start to finish.

phew, after initial timing chaos with praccy/qually, the race turned out all right...ish  :)

Had only done 2 timed laps prior to tonight so didnt expect much pacewise. Qualied 6th, but was moved down to 8th for some reason  ??? Got a good start, clean run up eau rouge and diced with a couple of peeps round until sector 3 where there was an incident ahead in top 5. Managed to avoid any carnage by hitting my anchors hard and jogged on for several laps in top 6-8. But then got a wheel wide on grass and lost momentum and places, dropping to about 9th or 10th.  :(
Closed right up again on great battle ahead between Pribeiro and Ade and was only 1.9 secs away from PRs car when i again got a wheel wide and lost about 8 seconds...grrr.
Finally with 1 lap to go i ran wide a 3rd blinking time and lost a place to Tony  ::)

Ho hum, think i finshed 9th, not bad for no practise.  :) Good challenging track though surprisingly hard to 'race' on for fear of high speed spills and contact. Can see why it was such a widowmaker in the 60's  :-X

Congrats to great pace up front and fine win to Muttram  8)

Results and Replay posted
Qual did not go quite as planned. Appologies to anyone who was upset by it.
I believed the session start times were correct, but more than one complained qual2 was 10 mins early
So opened qual to anyone who wanted to. Grid was much the same as if people had come in good time and we'd just
done the top 6 as planned, so was no biggie.
Race was messed by pile up on lap 1, as many did, I also slowed even before the brow half expecting some rail riders
but was not able to slow enough to completely avoid, and took some front damage car felt ok
but was one or two mph down on the straights. had fun catching and passing some, then slowly reeled in Phil
but I made more mistakes than he did, and he took the place.
EDIT: Seems I hit Legzy, despite trying to slow as best as I could. Sorry Chris.

Really enjoyed that combo but if only it could have been longer. By lap 8 I was ready for another 8. This is a seriously good track for an Enduro (Christmas Special  :shifty: )

Got a slight nudge from Bill into Eau Rouge which set me off on a roller coaster from one side of the track to the other, thankfully no-one else collided with me but the carnage at those first turns first needs to be avoided. You don't win races on the first turn, so I've been told  ::)

Pretty uneventful from there on in. Just keeping it on the track and going as fast as poss, avoided the various waifs and strays along the way. Tried to catch MJ but he was too good until a misshap on the penultimate lap let me blast by him.

Yeah, good one.  :thumbup1:

Hope it wasn't me..  :-\

Had great fun with these ultra fast cars on an ultra fast circuit.
Managed to get around the first lap melee somehow and found myself on 6th place... waaaay out of my league.
Soon other fasties came thundering past me but had some pleasent drafting fights with Mister Cosworth.
Then Coz did some flip-flops and just managed to clip the grass, spinning round and getting stuck against a hill. Bugger, bugger bugger..

Managed to drive back to 10th spot but made another mistake which enabled the crippled Porsche of Legzy to catch up.
Legzy passed me but did the same flip-flop routine with just a couple of corners to go....

Thoroughly enjoyed this one with the slippery grass looming when going full speed through the corner... one can only imagine how this would be in real life.

Stuff of Legends.

Rushed out as soon as given the all clear for quali and so just managed to squeeze a lap in before the session ended and we went to race.

Was just a little behind the leaders so had a good view of the lap 1 incident allowing me time to slow down slightly and pick my path through. The driving view in the 906 is pretty difficult in traffic and I think that partly contributed to the incidents that followed with perhaps some drivers being unsighted  :-\

Had a nice little dice with Phil changing places for 2 or 3 laps until I just let a back wheel stray onto the grass while setting up for a corner. This sent me up the grass bank and flying over the armco where I landed heavily and rolled a few times. A career ending crash if ever there was one, but miraculously I escaped with absolutely no damage to rejoin the track and finish in 5th  ::) Gotta love the realism  :laugh:

Congrats to pody and finishers.

So, PnG is more realistic than GTL, is it?  ;)

(http://members.lycos.co.uk/philipgilliland/png.jpg)

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PnG....the greatest flight sim  :laugh:

Sorry I missed the event guys. I was really looking forward to this one, but work and in this case, life often gets in the way.
It sounds like there was some drafting action. It also sounds like there was potentially impatience in the first few corners that caught out inicent victims.
What happened with the quali procedure. Did the practice times not translate properly to the same order in quali? I tested offline, but not online.
Which quali method do you guys prefer? Everybody gets 1 lap in quali session or only top 6 from practice get shot at super pole?

Phil, you auditioning for Dukes of Hazzard?

Oh... interesting to see the ratio of Porsche 906 drivers to the late offering of the L88 and the Ferrari 275.

As far as I am concerned the evening was a complete waste of time and it's probably best if I say absolutely nothing about qualifying procedures or first lap incidents.

Practice times translated perfectly, but several people turned up thinking they had time for a couple of laps
before the qual. Partly perhaps not reading the post, and possibly me getting the times wrong.
There was so much outcry that I opted to just let people go qual if they wanted
If anyone has an axe to grind it is me, as I was so busy trying to sort things out, I missed my own qual lap
and started several places back from where I would have been.

I sat near the final turn I thought far enough off line to be in no one's way, apparently not  :o :angel:

LOL, that's actually Clive, taking "flying lap" to extremes!


I'm not sure, because I was one of the 6 qualifying (I never completed my flying lap because I hit a stationary car on the racing line. Was that you Matt?) so I wasn't reading the chat messages, but I think there was general discontent and some surprise that not all were being allowed to qualify. Matt opened the track for all and a couple managed to squeeze in a time.


Personally, I like them both, but judging from those chat messages that I did manage to read, the 'top 6' idea is not a popular one.

It was all explained perfectly well in the race announcement. Problem being some folk just don't give them a second glance. One guy tonight actually had to ask how many laps the race was right before the race start.

That's not good preparation  ::)

Sorted that for you Tony  ;)

Quite a few of us turned up 'on time' by the race announcement only to be advanced out of qually while still on our outlaps - hence the discontent and Mike allowing all and sundry out if they wanted.
A fair response to a simple mistake/misunderstanding IMO so I'm not complaining - also I have no prob with either of the qualifying styles as long as the times are correct so I can get a lap in!  :D

As for the race Clive's incident (not 100% who the other car was) actually looked fairly innocent rather than a passing attempt from my ringside seat (I may still be wrong as I havn't viewed the replay of it properly) - doesn't detract from the fact that it caused absolute chaos though and lead to quite a lonely race for me - I think I needed a fellow GPL'er to get a fair chance at competition here  ;D

I'm with Tony. it was a very good car/track, but with the high speeds and relatively close times, if you went off
you had little chance of catching (except Cossy, who kept falling off lots, but caught very quickly  :)) so more laps
would have worked well. I tried and liked the 275, but was 7 secs slower, so opted to go for the 906, which was
rather good here.

No mate, I was the car behind you lol.
It's not a big deal, as we said at the time on team speak, it's dificult to slow to avoid something on a track like that, when all around you might not be aware & still going full tilt. Just one of those things, unlucky & a shame.



 

It was me who caused the accident, one of the penalties of driving laps on your own, you don't know how quick other drivers are through a particular section of track. Clive slowed more than I anticipated, not an excuse, I should have been a bit more circumspect. Anyway, just to make those who got involved more miserable, I would not have finished the race anyway, we had a power cut about 15 mins later.  ::)

Well......I enjoyed it.  Even racing in a middle of a 906 cup race and starting from last row  ::)
Race story is short tho, plenty of high speed, plenty of tire wear, plenty of understeering entering corners, plenty of oversteering exiting corners, plenty of braking 50 meters before 906, plenty of fun!
Ade made my night, battling with me for several laps. Quite interesting and challenging concerning the huge difference between both cars.
Thanks for the fun.

Cheers

Help Wanted !

I couldn't join the race yesterday, becayse I couldn't see the game or the the players, that I knew were online . I could only see from 4 to 6 available races !

This is what my Lobby looks like in my game:  https://picasaweb.google.com/crix2000/PG#5572387548275704066

It seems I'm the only one with this problem, but has anyone ever experinced something simular ?

Any help is most appreciated.

Stig / Hotkeys

The answer is at the top LH corner, Hotkeys. You are in 'Novice' mode, you should be in 'Simulation'.

Sorry Tony - a night to forget.  Didn't, like lots of drivers, get a time in practice.  A couple restarts due to my driving, and a couple due to other drivers accidents, on a good lap when practice must have finished - lap almost completed.

Due to my joining time I was well up the list of non qualifiers and got mobbed by all the frustrated faster drivers - tried to hold a line but got a number of nudges and got caught in a pincher move at one point.  PR passed me and I  hung on to him then we caught up with a number of cars of cars by the time I realised what was happening we had 3 cars in echelon and the car in front of me was stationary leaving me with no where to go.  When you're with the group you see often see clouds of dust or tyre smoke and realise there is a problem and can slow but when you're last exiting a fast curve, life gets a bit more difficult.  Apologies to the driver of the stationary 906,

Thanks a lot Geoffers ...... the problem is solved :thumbup1:

The only problems left is, that I still DRIVE like a 'Novice'   ;D ;D ;D

Stig / Hotkeys

You had one..................briefly!

I was doing 45s off-line in practice mode so should have kept you honest.  Shame it didn't happen.

Not a fan of last nights qually method.
Everyone getting one lap is entertaining to do occaisionally, worth alternating with normal qually? :)

Right on  8)

Unofficial LapChart (http://www.justanotherpage.nl/Srou/PnG/Spa67Feb2011/)

Must warn that the qually results are a bit odd..

There is a fix for this flying phemomenon that affects the GTR series of sims. Think it applies to GTL too. I came across it a while back in one of the other sim racing forums but i cant remember which. Its a simple entry in one of the text editable files. Wish i had made a note of it now, might even be in the plr file.
Though difference between p&G airborne crashes and GTLs is that you dont get to carry on like nothing happened  ;)

During practice I went full tilt head-on into the armco leading into Eau Rouge. Engine life reading didn't flinch and the only visible damage was a popped headlight bulb! But I do agree with you that PnG is usually less forgiving than GTL, so maybe it's just these cars or this track?

Hi all guys! I was reading some comments on this race, and I saw some flying objects :).
Into the .PLR there are these 3 strings. Try to modify it with these values, then save your .PLR. Remember to make a backup copy of your .PLR before doing this :)

BoneSpring Threshold="1.00000"
BoneSpring Min Constant="25.00000"
BoneSpring Max Constant="125.00000"

I hope to race with you soon. But you know... I can't. Have some good races guys. See you!!!

Thanks Manteos, are they the settings that prevent the airborne reactions to any impact, and prevent the over the top barrel rolls from a simple crash?

Wouldnt everbody (including the server?) need to edit the same setting to prevent any 'cheat' reactions when trying to join online race? or doesnt it affect it?

No MJ it doesn't cause any online conflicts or mismatches, but you can usually spot the ones that haven't discovered it yet.

I thought the 'simple car collisions' in the options was what was needed to ensure this didnt happen.

Nope, that appears to do this according to plr:-
"Simple Debris Collisions="1" // simplified collisions use less CPU but dont interact with walls"    ???

ive edited the lines that Manteos mentions.....not that i ever roll the car  ;)