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UKGPL Season 20 Novices Trophy (1965 Mod) Race 8 February 8th

Round 8 and we're presented with a smorgasboard of challenges at The Scandinavian Raceway in Anderstorp, Sweden.

The second airfield based circuit of the season was built on marshlands in 1968 and became an extremely popular venue in the 1970s, just as Swede Ronnie Peterson was at the height of his career. Don't worry when you think you can't find the Pit entrance, the Pits are located halfway around the lap. Bloody Swedes!

Anderstorp held six Formula One events in the 1970s but when both Peterson and Gunnar Nilsson died during the 1978 Formula One season, public support for the event dried up and the Swedish Grand Prix came to an end, until now.

The circuit is also famous for being the site of the first and only win (as well as the first and only race) of the infamous Brabham 'fan car' in 1978.

You can download the track here:
http://srmz.net/index.php?showtopic=4340

Please see the Novices registration thread for an explanation of the chassis allocations shown below:
https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=8416.0

FULL TIME

DRIVER	CHASSIS
Vosblod	Cooper
NHance	BT11
Miner2049er	Cooper
Il_Lupo	Ferrari
Billy NoBrakes	BT11
HappyAl	Ferrari
Gilles27	BT7
Burtoner	3
Nigel Smith	Honda
Ronnie Peterson	Lotus
Blito	Ferrari
Mark65	1
Artiglietti	Cooper
BadBlood	Honda
RogUK	Cooper
Norbert	Ferrari
Maddog	Cooper

RESERVE

DRIVER	CHASSIS
Karliss	Honda
Adamg67	BT11
Maestro	Cooper

Reserve drivers should not join the server until there are only 30 minutes of qualifying left so as to give the FULL TIME drivers chance to join, and drivers are not to go out on track until there are 30 minutes of qualifying left as this helps all drivers join the server successfully.

Please restrict chat to pit messages if necessary, and this includes the end of the race, until all running drivers have completed the necessary laps.

The Novice races are run under Int Long rules and all incidents will be moderated.

Race List = IGOR
Server = UKGPL5
IP address = ping myjamesonline.net
Race date = 08-02-2011
Time = 21:00 UK time
Track = Anderstorp (atorp)
Variant = 65F1
Damage Model = Int
Qualifying time = 35 minutes
Race length = 24 laps
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

65 Patch: The 2.02 Release of the 65mod can and should be used.
http://bit.ly/d8dECl

Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R;group=279;theme=6)

And the Tyrrell P34 6-wheeler took its only win here in 1976. If I could just get hold of one before tonight's race, that would be great :)

Just to reinforce Mikes comments about the pits I’d recommend a drive through in practice. Not as tricky as Kyalami but approach is via a slip road in a non-obvious place, there is a 90degree turn (or hit the Armco) and the pit lane feeds out almost blind onto a the turn before the airstrip straight.

AND there is a reasonable risk of getting 'lost' on that straight, ending up trapped in the landing strip that lies beside it...Also, the racing line kind of cuts across it, so in my view 'off the racing line'  is all on the right there, but it is not a given thats the same for everybody...

ok, which comedian painted the target on my car? seriously guys, getting rear-ended three times in one race aint funny... incident report going in to the mods tomorrow.....

Hi Grats to podium, not my day again pc playing up took me an age to log in, then on last lap pc froze, sorry to Blito for rear ending you, hope it did not spoil your race (did pit stop) see you all in 2 weeks.

Whoa - good one for me to miss - 1:41 sheesh. I would have been way off the pace - would have been lonely...

39 in the Cooper, AA?! I did a few laps yesterday in the Honda and was doing high 39s! See you in the AMs next season.  ;D

Pleased to get third after a really tough race battling with Ronnie and Norm.

I knew I wouldn't be as close to Attilio as last time out as my preparations did not go as well as I'd have liked. Come qualifying I struggled until the last few minutes at which point I got up into fourth. Off the line this became third when I nipped past Norm and then second when Ronnie made a mistake on lap 2. Ronnie gobbled me up on the straight a few laps later and then Norm and I had a battle to see who could make less mistakes as we traded third and fourth. In the end I got the nod but only just.

This wasn't my best performance in terms of pace but I was pleased to get a podium, it was more about battling for all I could get today than anything else.

Good track choice Mike, the bumps, banking and unorthodox racing lines here made for a real challenge, plus keeping the tyre temps under control was also a factor, for me at least.

Well done to Attilio for a stunning performance, I think I can hear H quaking in his boots over there in Sofia ;) Also well done to Norm and Ronnie and thanks for the battle guys. Finally a shout out to Blito who secured a good slot on the grid in his Fezza.

See you all at Albi.

Sofia is not the only city in here you know, so that must be another H.  ;)

Sorry I meant to say Plovdiv.

And if you have some evil doppelganger in Sofia, tell him to come and join UKGPL :)

In practise leading up to the event I was only doing mid 42s but in Qually was not quite on it, then I made the mistake of changing my setup at the end of qually and added a little more oversteer.

I made 2 places on the run to T2 then spun at T2 with my new found oversteer, hit the barrier and the car was now pulling left which helped through Hansen but meant I couldn't turn right so I reset and took my first SnG.

I emerged in last place and proceeded to chase the pack down, which is difficult when you going more slowly than them, but I managed to make it back to 6th place at which point my engine let go. The first time I've ever blown a Cooper engine, so I reset again and pitted again.

I started the chase again but with full tanks and a lack of concentration it was hard going and I managed to get close to Norbert but I couldn't close up and couldn't see how I would get past anyway.

Great track but I find it much easier in the 69 Matra than the 65 Cooper for some reason. Oh yes, downforce LOL.

Anyway, looking forward to Albi as I like it there.

Any idea what a reasonable time for Albi is? I seem to be struggling for grip and losing a lot of time from making a poor entry for the final straight and then losing time through the corner to the S/F. Maybe I need to soften it up a touch?

Mostly slow corners, so a softer rear/stiffer front helps to put the power down earlier. Aim for late apexes by going slightly wider on entry and cutting across to the inside diagonally. Use the whole track width everywhere.

Thanks H.

We've raced it before so you can see the times.

https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=5966#event1689

Don't be put off by those times in the link Paul. Aim for 1.20 and if you can lap consistantly at or just below that, in my opinion, you will be competitive. Never raced here myself Paul and if it helps even in the Lotus I'm only down to just below 1.19 so some setup work and practice will be needed nearer the time for me too to get anywher near the 1.16's in that race.

Crikey you guys are practicing already!! No wonder it is getting tougher and tougher this season :)

No such luck Ross. Practice for this one will have to wait for now but a guideline for Paul I hope it helps. Great drive last night in that crate of car you have to use.

Good choice of track ~ awesome in the 69 Spec Race & fun in the 65’s last night. Enjoyed some good midfield battles, other than one rear end tap from Fabio’s Ferrari.. For the second half of the race I had Rog’s Cooper attached to my tail pipes on a piece of elastic. The BT11 could pull away maybe 50 yards on the airstrip but the Cooper was back again, particularly on the hair-pin into the pit straight. Rog dropped back a bit with a couple of laps to go & I’d settled for 6th place only to find another Cooper idling on the verge just before the very last corner. I’m guessing Maddog short fuelled again which gave me a rather undeserved 5th place.

Looks like I'm not going to be competetive then  ::)

Thanks for the advice guys gives me something to aim for. I'd settle for 1:20, 1:21.3 at the moment but 1:22 consistently so I might be able to get into the 19's.

As a general question is it better to gear it so that you take the corners in lower gear/higher revs or is avoiding a gear change at the expense of some revs a better approach or is it just down to personal style?

A disapointing qually in view of my pb but the race was really good. For the first few laps I was 4th with Maddog close behind using everything to get past, like, the kerb, the grass, but he must have felt he needed reinforcements because he went to pick up some armco to use ;D. I got  a gap to break the tow. Inherited 2nd when Ross & Ronnie had a spin & I think I started to very slowly pull away from Ross. I'll repeat that I STARTED TO PULL AWAY FROM ROSS ;). Uummm sounds nice!

I need points now not heroics, so when Ronnie got to 3rd he closed up & was obviously faster so I let him through. Trouble is he brought Ross with him. We were fairly even although he is in truth faster than me. I hatched a cunning plan ::) .I would give him room to pass at the end of the straight IF he could make it but not slow down myself so it was up to him to take the chance. I would only do this once. The plan was ok but I was so busy watching the mirrors to see what he would do I outbraked myself & went off. By the time I was back on he had a 4 sec gap. I did close it a bit once but suspect we were both just strolling it home for the remaining laps.

All in all a good result as I held off Maddog & played a tactical game with two faster drivers to pick up good points. Engine lasted as well. Well done the podium it was the right result & Attilio just gets faster with that amazing qually lap.

Norm H

Stop going on about what a good race this was! I'm already gutted I had to miss it! Sounds like a belter...

 ;D ;D If H did a few laps to get down to that time, I bet it took me a few more, in the hundreds more than the tens...so, I think he can stop quaking wherever it is that he lives, he still has his boots firmly resting on UKGPL table for the foreseeable future..

As for my race, not much to say. I am not sure what happened here, but I found myself with a massive performance advantage, and since the first ten mins in practice it was all for me to lose. Luckily, the layout of the track helped the underpowereds, with a short run to T1 and a long twisty section to make up some margin before the straight. I spent the race just trying to avoid mistakes and counting the laps, with just a little scare during a rather rocambolesque lapping of Mikes cooper. At the end, I couldnt see the chequered flag, so kept going for another lap just to make sure, I suspect the other podium boys had the same doubt, or they were following me around just for inertia...

See you at the next one, which I suspect is going to be rather tough for the lightly equipped.. :P

Great race Attilio and a  brilliant qualifying lap. Poor Ross did not stand a chance in that BT7. Norm next time feel free to battle it out. At the time I suspected you had either missed a gear, let me through or fallen off your chair! But I was not waiting to find out with Ross in close attention. If Kyalami was in your mind forget it, we both know we were just racing for the same bit of tarmac and sometimes the mods have to sought the mess out. Like I think Ross mentioned above, this was the first race where I really had to pay attention to the tyres overheating but Attilio was never in any danger from me. Well done again your championship battle with Ross will go down to the wire.

Gear it so you keep the revs in the maximum torque range inside the corner and thus have maximum acceleration. Usually you should reach maximum revs at the exit or just after the exit of the corner, then shift up. If you find it difficult to avoid spinning the rear wheels under throttle, make the gear longer so the revs drop a bit.

Thanks for a third time  ;D I'll try it.

Thanks Ronnie, well done to you for lapping in the race at your qually pace or there about, while keeping an eye on the tires temps. I really needed you there to keep my hopes alive! The first laps when you guys where battling behind me,  each time I was passing by the start and checking the board it was all a 'Oh yes', 'Oh no', 'Oh yes'! ;D ;D

I am interested about this thing of the temps. When I first started practising I noticed my right front going up to the 100+, which never happens to me. But after a while, I could easily keep it at a little above 90 for a whole race. Especially if you have a spin, it takes a while for the tires to come back to lower temps, I think. Would be interesting to know what kind of temperatures did you guys have. Also, in pretty much all the other circuits if I exceed the 80 its pretty high for me, but I am starting wondering if this is actually too low a number for optimum tire temps?

a belter? i didnt think so.
you missed nothing except for another demonstration that the rear half of the novices grid needs more practise at close running.
I think normally we all do our practise off-line, just chasing laptimes and that "ideal" setup, never thinking about how we actually go about the business of racing each other! As a result, i think some of us are little more than hotlappers (me included judging by recent performances).
To try and combat this I suggest that next tuesday, at 9pm, we have an official Albi test session so we can get some meaningful practise at lapping together and passing each other cleanly. If we do i think we will all benefit from having better races, with fewer errors and some closer racing!
Thoughts please guys....

Yes, AA, the optimum seems to be around 100, just like with 67 cars. On must tracks I find it impossible to reach that number in the 65s though, it's usually around 70-90. The next AM round at Sodegaura is going to be a different story though, it's next to impossible to prevent the right tires from overheating excessively. Never seen another track having such extreme effect on the 65 tires!

I'm a prib user Attilio and this was the first race where tyre temps were in the red!!! Can't remember the actual temp with certainty but well over 230 °F.

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Great idea Blito. On the rare occasions the practice servers are up I'm amazed sometimes how few people avail themselves of the opportunity of some fun racing without the stress of worrying about points/championships. I count myself a regular and try and try and join as often as other commitments allow. For me its the only way to hone those racing skills plus have some cracking fun at the same time. See you next Tuesday or sooner if a server is up.

Two points. Agreed Ronnie I should battle it out more but I've had some pretty shabby results this season & a top 4 place was what I need right now to give me confidence. That penalty place at Kyalami was my first in 21 consecutive Nov races & its a record I'm proud of.

Secondly Blito is absolutely right I spend my time chasing good pb's & the best set up which always makes me feel confident of a high place going into qually. BUT I'll admit I can't race very well, get jittery under pressure, & find it difficult to run in close company & pass others. The on line action usually starts about 9.00pm which is not always convenient but I'll consider making more effort. It doesn't have to be the next track we are at its all experience. It's also a chance to drive other cars 'cos I'm a bit bored with the BT11 , good as it is. For smiles per mile you need a Honda or BT7. I only do 65's though & it will probably stay like that.
Norm H

I'd certainly be up for some practice online with you all next week if Mike can make the server available. Blito has a good point, I certainly feel that my speed is OK but my racecraft needs more work. And as Ronnie says it could be good fun too :)

   :taz: . . . . . . .  ah, that's better - I needed that!


What month is this?  If it's January, I've been having this run of terrible luck, not the least of which, was running out of fuel with a lap to go at The Glen, and watching Billy pass me as I pitted, on the last corner, of the last lap!!

But hang on - not to worry, this is February 1965, and all is well.  Even better, I'd found a nice, well balanced setup, and an early 2nd on the grid, so hoping for a fight towards the front.  Except when 2nd then turned into 6th by the end of practice - thus is life in the fast lane.  Perhaps I could yet hang onto the front runners tails, and pounce on a mistake? :angel:

My plan worked well for all of 2 or 3 laps.  But ye car wasn't enjoying the ride, and I was soon left to wave a furious foursome on their way.  Had some glimpses of the action following me, in the following laps, and it all looked quite interesting.  Excitementwise for me however, there was none to be had.  The gaps just grew larger, and I can verify that, "It's lonely at the top."  Or in 5th place in my case . . . with the main interest being the sporadic changing of the guard to my rear, every few laps.  (Note : must stop using so much anti-contact spray at racetime.)

The countdown to the finish eventually commenced, and with a lap and a bit to go, the unthinkable also commenced . . . "Oh no, not again!!"  Hindsight would suggest it's a track, where a lot of time is spent near redline, and it's thirsty work, or so my car insisted on telling me, rather late in the proceedings.
Grumble!  Wretched hindsight!  So now I had to decide if I could make the finish line, still waiting a lap away from my obstinate machinery?  :-\ :-\ :-\

At Watkins, in a '67, I'd decided to reset, and lost out to Billy's opportunism. So this time, I went for glory - figured I could still stay ahead of the next car, while running on fumes.  And it was working out beautifully . . . right up to the end of the long back straight, with 2 corners to go, at which point, the engine died! Grumble!  I consequently stopped in sight of the last curve, watched a driver called Billy scream past, reset, and blasted over the blasted line!  At which point, there was steam emanating from my helmet.  If someone had come up with a push mod, I could've almost pushed the car across the line instead!

The slight problem at this late point in the proceedings, was, how to pay penance for my refueling on the track?  The pits were a half a lap away, and my race had now finished?  Would I be disqualified for reversing a half lap?  Turning around would very likely DQ me.  And would the other finishers still finishing be disturbed by this?  Mike - some ponderance and adjudication required here!

I actually did an extra lap, and a stop & go, in case it's of interest to anyone.  Putting annoyance aside, it looked like a superb driving display by the dominant front four, so my helmet's off to them.  And by the way, if I see a Spec. race official with syphoning equipment, anywhere near my car before the next race, there's going to be trouble!!! >:( >:( >:(

This track is fantastic but I wasn't able to practice so much before the race, so I didn't know it very well when starting the qualify.

Even, I wasn't confortable enough with the setup and my tyres became hot soon during the race.

The beginning of the race it was really fun, then I had some problems to stay on track on some turns...

WD to the podium, to everybody raced and to the organization.

The only bad thing of this race was my missing GT Blue Team mate Paul... ;D

Au revoir in Albi


Billy, I well understand your disappointment so, after reading your post, I checked my replay and it confirmed my first impression of yesterday night: I didn't hit you but... you suddenly moved away as I would hit you!
I think it was a problem of network connection.

I would advise you to upload a clip from your replay, because if the server shows contact I will base the moderation on that alone.

If your replay shows no contact, you may not be penalised.

i had a great race!
most exiting in this season for me. so battles during all race long, someone push me or i push someone.
pity i did one major mistake (caused by pribluda on long airfield straight.... lol) and one stupid late braking spin in lefthader before circus.
otherwise great.
also my PB in qual. nice

Well done Karlisss! glad you enjoyed the race and scored a good result. Keep practicing and you will continue to improve I am sure.

Thanks H, if thats your typical range as well, it means theres not much left to scrape in that department for me. Too bad... ::)

On the subject of Blitos idea, isnt there a way to actually host races with a normal pc, without having to ask the mods to fire up the server each time? Or am I unaware of issues with that?

Yeah, you can host without much problem as long as your system and Internet are stable, and connection has decent upload bandwidth.

Yes, I often host on my PC.

Select the Host button on Igor, then   "host locally".

select the circuit, mod etc and fire up.

The only downside is that when you quit the server will shut down, unless you are feeling generous and leave it running for others to use.

I can host quite happily on my home PC. Only thing to watch out for is your core.ini settings to make sure joiners don't get a bandwidth mismatch. I think, and someone can correct me, if you set your net_mdm_server_send_size to say 100 and everyone else is higher (most use 384) there shouldn't be any problems.
As Clive says the downside is if you quit (or freeze out/disco even) then everyone else goes too.

we used to self-host at BYGPL back in 2002(ish) with no issues on what was then just 512K broadband....

Anyone downloaded Albi this week? The links seems dog slow, less than half a kilobyte per second!

Race Mod Published

[Blito starts to spin exiting T1 but catches it.
Just as he does so Karliss hits him and spins him around
Despite being warned about taking care at T1 in Kyalami, Karliss takes risks off the line again and drives straight to the middle of the track.
Even when Blito's skid starts to develop in front of him karliss is still accelerating and does not leave himself enough space to react.]

sounds like from some comentators page.
1.i did perfest fast start, thats why i raced in midle of track, cos car in front me was to slow in start!
2.in T1 i raced fast + were i can to avoid collisions with other cars.

3.if i hit someone who spins infront of me, how do i know when to take shft+r with SnG or without SnG....
(in this case i had no place to go)
crash was caused not by me and i didnt take shift+R!!!

4.WHAT TO DO? brake? and wait until i will be rearended by car behind me?
i tried to avoid, BUT, if i would avoid MORE, then i would spin myself and cause a HUGE accident with cars behind me.
and then i would be a blame person.

ps
i still dont understund why before penalizing no one dont ask your opinion. rules are rules but them also are flexible by situation, like in every sport.

albi i will quaalify midle and after green will wait untill all cars will pass me by :)
what kindergarden starts you talking about?

ps2
in mosport you penalized me just for nothing. for server replay LAG... and penalty is still there. this is not very inspiring.
i am angry.

Karlisss, you cannot race like you're alone on the track and go at maximum speed after the start given the close proximity of all cars around you. You have to allow for any possible mistakes and account for the lack of vision of the drivers ahead of you, who are often too focused on what's going on around them to look in the mirrors. In fact, it's unsafe to look at your mirrors right after the start, so it's up to the cars behind to be predictable and maintain a safe gap, unless they're certain that going for a pass is a relatively safe thing to do. And of course, there's the ever present threat of warp contact...

You can't also drive through someone who made a mistake and lost control of the car, unless you have no other choice. The race is never won on lap 1 and if you're fast enough to make up any positions, you can do so in the following laps once the field spreads out a little. I haven't looked at the replay for this particular situation, but reading about it in Tim's moderation report, I can pretty much imagine what happened and I agree with his decision about whose fault it is.

As an example of a situation where it was impossible to do anything about avoiding the car in front which spun, you can check the GT race at Monza - Lesmo 2 on lap 1, with Martin spinning right in front of me. I had nowhere to go so we collided. But I assume there was a gap in your case and yet you never lifted up to try and slow down, as if Blito's car was not there at all.

As someone who was responsible for the carnage at the start of the race at Imola after what I thought, at the time, was an excellent get off the line prepared to those ahead of me, I feel your pain.

The mods see things we don't. But more importantly, while fair and impartial, just like Judge Dread, the Mods are THE LAW! Just be grateful they did not put you into Iso-Cube 666!

Obviously if your not a 2000AD fan this will all be meaningless.

He can always file an appeal and submit his own version of the events and client replay, so I wouldn't say they are "THE LAW", lol. If there's anyone who can confirm this, it's me, as I've had quite a number of arguments with mods and they really do listen. Otherwise I would've given up on UKGPL long ago...

what means:
1 place lost (plus 2 for penalty points)
what are penalty points?
is it not enaugh 1 place lost....???
how can be hiting one spining car 8place lost? (p8 +8 = 16!!! BUT race entires was 13... so who will be infront of me?  EMPTY SPACE)
so no point to race after unsuccesful T1 in race?

It means you already had penalty (yellow) points from being at fault in previous races and those add up towards your new penalties.

Actually, you're asked to put your version of incident ;) In PM about this incident, there's a button witch send you to a place where you can write your version of what happened ;)

so how can i clear up all P-points?
thanks

and i cant find where to read sporting regulations.
only i see sentence about shift+r by fault or no fault...

You can't, You need to wait till they expire. In your case last one will expire in 21 November 2011 - https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=profile&u=1902&sa=racing_history&driver=1902#aliases (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=profile&u=1902&sa=racing_history&driver=1902#aliases) ;)


In this PM you should find this:

"To submit your own report on this incident (if you have not already done so)" - next to it, there should be a link ;)

In case you don't know, Karlisss, PM means private message. You can check those in your Profile, from the menu at the top, where it says My Messages. You should have received such PMs for each incident that you got involved in.

Well no, thats not necessarily the case. I received a notice for incidents investigated about me only in the case it had been another driver filing the report. For instance, I didnt have any notice both for the penalty I received in zandvoort and the 2 I received in Ccombe, just got a notice there was something about me when the report had been put out. I suppose its something to do with the fact races in the novs are moderated in full.

i know that, but problem is that allways this message arrives with changed results (penalty or no penalty)
what i ment was: message with incident involving, and then i can explain my point etc, and after admin decides is there a penalty or no. but now situation is like this:
1.i had an incident (in race heat i think i am clear), for me there is no reason to inform admin. (right?)
2.i recieve mesage, that i am involved in incident and i was guilty and have given Penalty points

i think there should be 1,5.. when i have oportunity to explain or defiet my view, before penalizing. cos i reeded this
No-fault Shift-Rs will not attract a Stop & Go penalty

Hmm, I didn't know that, I thought you always get a PM whenever an incident involving you is being moderated. I guess we'll have to wait for an answer by a mod.

It is me that did the moderation Karliss, not Tim so aim any points at me.

Firstly, to say you were totally surprised and the first thing you knew about it was the penalty points is not strictly true. You hit somebody in a race and took a SHIFT R so surely you expect something to happen?

All drivers in Novices are expected to submit reports for all incidents they are involved in, but if they do not, I will almost certainly see the incident anyway. If a driver reports an incident that driver A,B,C and D were involved in, then drivers A,B,C and D will all get a private message telling them an incident they were involved in is being investigated. This gives them the chance to submit their evidence.

If driver A and driver B are involved in an incident but neither report it, then neither will get a message, and in any other division the incident will perhaps never come to light, but in Novices the whole replay is moderated and the moderator will see the incident and investigate it, perhaps penalising either driver A, driver B or both. that is not unfair at all. Both should have reported it and put their case forward beforehand.

The lesson to learn here is to submit a report for any incident you are involved in, no matter how minor it may be.

As for your flying start, I always stress to drivers that the first corner or half lap sometimes is the most risky time when racing online, and the lag is always higher at this time when cars are close together. You should always be prepared to keep in the grid formation and your own side of the track until after T1 if necessary, and in our next race at Albi, you will see I have advised all drivers to take care through T1 and again at DD which is halfway into the lap but all cars will be arriving there at full speed and bunching up again.

You can't win the race in T1 but you can certainly lose it in T1, and not just for yourself. Some leagues even have a rolling start with no passing until a certain point to avoid the risk of collision off the line. If drivers act responsibly and safely off the line there is no need for this but you must be careful when starting, as if you collide with somebody after moving to the middle of the track you will almost certainly be penalised.

Sorry, Mike, of course it's not Tim, my mistake.

Karliss,

If you do not agree with a Mods ruling then you can appeal it however incidents on Lap 1 are dealt with more harshly than other incidents since they are potentially calamitous for so many. The main point is that Warp is almost always a factor at the start since so many cars are close together so you HAVE to be cautious. Unlike real racing a gap opening up at the start isn't necessarily usable.

The major reason you got penalised was that you did not lift - you can't worry about being rear ended and drive through the man in front - the driver behind you has to be able to avoid you if you lift so don't worry about that.

I know that the penalties can feel harsh - I am still smarting from my second one at Mosport and I STILL don't agree with it but I have accepted it and modified my driving because of it. I believe that is the main reason for the penalties - to encourage more cautious driver behaviour.

As far as it goes I think Mike does an excellent job for us (it is a LOT of work) and I am certain that he is both fair and impartial.

Chin up and let's enjoy the next one!

Ok Karlis, heres another point of view ---
i`d qualified well and was looking forward to the race but at T1 i got a little too sideways and was slooooow out of the corner but I held it together just long enough to get a punt from behind, spinning me out of contention.
Obviously i was a bit pissed off about that!
So i set off in a red mist chasing down Nigel, i made a stunning move on him but we touched (probably lag as the mod says i moved left but my replay shows nige moving right {btw, i`m not apealling as i was dead last anyway..} ). Having recovered from that i set off in an even greater red mist and basically barged my way past rog and out-braked myself causing shunt no3.

So basically, Karlis, you not lifting at T1 like you should have screwed my state of mind to the point where, myself  nigel and rog all had our races spoiled, as well as you receiving the penalty. Perhaps, in retrospect, you might like to reflect on how better your race would have been if you had lifted!

Blito, you can't blame Karlisss'es mistake for how you drive afterwards, lol... it's totally your responsibility to deal with your emotions, whatever the case.

No problem, Tim does most things around here ;)

can do so, did do so, will continue to do so
:D

I understand what your saying there H,(and incidentally, quite agree with you)  but the point is that once something happens to destroy your composure, no matter who is to blame, then its more-or-less game over which is clearly what happened to me in this instance.
Now, when it comes to this kind of incident we can either get all psychoanalytical or we can just point and blame. We tend to choose the latter because its easier, but if you really want me to start to analyse peoples on track behaviour and its consequences then i have plenty of materiel kept in reserve, although i think for the interests of the community it is probably best kept there!

As for the point in hand here, sometimes its right to just admit our own failures when the moderators point them out to us, after all I have been far from blameless in this season and have not once had reason to complain about either competitor or moderator in any judgement.