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Practice: 19:40 (UK London) (45 mins)
Qual 1: 20:25 (15 mins) everyone out on track
Qual 2: 20:40 (~20 mins) top 6 from Q1 get 1 lap for super pole
Race: ~21:00 (20 laps)
Cars allowed: Ford Falcon Sprint, Alfa Romeo 1600 GTA, Ford Mustang BSCC-Gr2, Ford Mustang NTK-Gr5

Track: Zandvoort 1979 (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3356.msg54900#post_zandvoort79)
Time of Day Setting: 13:00
Weather: Dry
Start: Standing

Tyre wear: 1X
Fuel consumption: 1X
Pit-stops: None required

Qualifing procedure

• All drivers participate in quali 1
• The server will then advance to Q2 where the top 6 will do a 1 lap shootout for pole. All other drivers must remain in the garage. Your grid position from Q1 will be retained.
• 1 driver on a hot lap and 1 driver on an out lap during Q2
• The Q2 driver order will be 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 from Q1
• There are no resets in Q2. If you crash, then make the most of it. Get across the line.
• The server administrator will advance to the race session once Q2 participants have finished.

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Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Championship Standings (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=292&theme=34)

Notes:
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(4) P&G has no 'Pit Speed Limiter' function. You may go as fast as you like in the pits, but please exercise caution. Penalties will be handed out for causing contact in the pit lane. Use your best judgement when making your pitstop during the race.

Sorry for the late track adjustment guys. If you practiced early your work wasn't in vain. Zandvoort 67 and Zandvoort 79 are very similar. I switched to the 1979 version because I found it a bit easier to drive with the wider track and more grip. The straight is a bit longer which will help with overtaking opportunities. The chicane looks odd at first but can be taken almost flat if approached at the right angle.

I think the matchup should be interesting. The Alfa is the quickest overal for me, but it will likely get swallowed up down the long straight if you don't build enough of an advantage in the twisty bits. The differences in character should create some interesting battles.

Nice, look forward to getting in some track time on this combo 8)

Seems like fun.  Shame about the chicane but you can't have it all.

Probably the BSCC for me. 

Shame you had to go and put the Alfa in there as well.  ::)  I suppose that one of them is going to glue himself to my boot lid and then come across all surprised when he shovels me off the track at mid-corner.

Would have gone on the server but it was running Spa.

Would it be considered rude, to appologise for my part in shoving you off track at our next race?

Thanks for the heads up Clive. We have moved to the beach.

LOL

Would you like to open up an account?

We have a Loyalty Card for regular customers.  ;D

OOOOH, yes please. ;D

lol

I'll paint a bull's eye on the rear bumper to help you aim.

Muscle before Fullbread .........   ;D ;D

Stig / Hotkeys

You're getting paranoid Clive, about smaller more agile cars.  ;D

@ Bill:  That's cos they are out to get me!   ;D

@ Stig: Very nice Alfa avatar.(Well it was)  But it should really be fitted with bull-bars (Roo-Bars if racing at Bathurst) to help it to shovel the opposition out of the way after it has smacked into them.  ::)

Hoping to make this, I'll be in the Alfa - never really get on with the muscle cars.

I'll be back in the Falcon - It seems good fun here. That said the Alfa might be quicker, will have to have a go to find out...

Been laid low with manflu and haven't turned a wheel since Thursday night. May not make this which will be a shame as it looks like a good track/car combo.

What laptimes are you guys gettin' here ?

I managed to sneak the Alfa just below  1.48 , is that a competetive time ?

I'm planning to practice on the server tonight, hoping to se some of you guys there.


Stig / Hotkeys

The Alfa has serious pace potential, I'm getting 1:46.2's at the mo on full race fuel and havn't spent long on it - Trouble is that I don't like the driving style as it's too clinical and understeery  :(

Falcon is doing consistent 1:47's on race fuel - low 46's on Qually fuel - and low 45's on the superpole setup and involves lots of arm-flailing and opposite lock so I expect I'll run in that  ;D

1:45.2 in the Alfa at the moment, might just scrape a high 44 on a perfect (clinical) lap  ;)
I'll send you the setup & replay when I get home from work.

I'm looking fwd to that setup ......... 45's even 44's ?    :scared: :scared:

I may need a miracle rather than a set up, cause I have already done 30-40 laps and cutting almost 3 seconds more is definately beyond my reach   ;D

Stig / Hotkeys

If you can nail that chicaine it'll take loads off...problem is I usually clip the inside kerb and nearly roll it!

Nothing in the least bit clinical about my 1:47.xx in the Mustang.

If there is a server about later on tonight then I might manage a few more laps after the MARA race.

That's what I kept doing  ;D Luckily the Falcon is so lardy clipping the chicane merely makes me look cool instead of demented  8)

from about 9:30 there should be Clive, I'll be there too I think

I wuz there.

Actually I'm bored with knocking down catch fencing at this place.  Can we do something else?

Many thanks to Johnw for sharing his setup for the Alfa. It helped me cut more than 1 second of my laptime ( 1.46.500 now ) and I also felt I had better control of the car in general.

It's a very interesting setup IMO. Most people, including myself, tend to use very stiff setups and lots of diff. lock for the Alfa, but this is almost the opposite.

Ik hoop dat de beste man winnen op Zolder

Zolder? 

I think you are the only one in Belgium and therefore also the best  ;)
The rest of us is driving in Zandvoort, Netherlands  ;D

Unfortunately I have a double appointment and my racing night lost the toss.
Hope you all have a good drive

I may join you tonight.. seems like everything is shaping up nicely  :angel:

Can't wait!

Well off course it's called Zandvoort  :wetfish: it even makes good sense:  you get caught in the zand, and it's all vorbei !

Stig / Hotkeys

Let's hope that everyone has read the race format this time!

Practice: 19:40 (UK London) (45 mins)
Qual 1: 20:25 (15 mins) everyone out on track
Qual 2: 20:40 (~20 mins) top 6 from Q1 get 1 lap for super pole
Race: ~21:00 (20 laps)

As we kept pointing out last time - We did!  :P
Just going to hop on the server now if it's running ATM - otherwise see when it appears  :thumbup1:

booted for possible cheat  ???  ???  joined the practice server before without any problem...  ??? ???
 :'(

You get that from time to time. Just keep trying.............it lets you in eventually

Sorry I couldn't make it tonight, just not feeling right for it.

A couple of weeks ago when I was one of the six involved in the "Super pole", I thought it a waste of time. Sitting there twiddling my thumbs for 15 mins this time, watching the top 6 drivers not get near their previous times was not entertaining & did not enhance my enjoyment of the evening.

Luckily worse was to follow. ::)

Joined the grid. Waited. The lights turn green & I eventually react & make a rubbishy slow get away. Yet I get black flagged?!!! ??? >:(
Was my pressing of the gas peddle so delayed that the marshals decided to punish me? :-\
I drove round & completed my 1st lap, hoping the incorrect black flag would disappear. It didn't & I saw about 8 other drivers ducking into the pits :o
So I pitted at the end of the 2nd, thinking that it must have black flagged everyone. I stopped & hit enter very quickly... but then thought that I'd seen that it had awarded me 2 stop goes for the non-existent false start, but I couldn't be sure as I'd already hit enter. I left the pits & had no black flag on display, but then I saw Clive doing his 2nd pit stop.... :-\
As i approached the pits on the next lap, a couple of drivers showed as DQ on XD, obviously not realising they'd been generously gifted a stop/go. So i realised I couldn't take the chance & slammed on the anchors. Skidded into the wall opposite pit entry :'(, waited for a couple of cars to pass & entered the pits again. Managed to turn off all my tyre changing instructions etc, but guess what, I didn't have a 2nd stop/go & I'd just wasted my time pitting >:( >:( >:(

I left the pits, 22 secs behind the next driver. That driver was Clive who had been 3 secs a lap quicker than me in practice & qually & the next driver was about 10 secs further up the road from him & I'm a few corners away from being lapped by the race leader.

So I quit out on what had been a dreadful evening at what is such a good track.

p.s. I checked the replay & unfortunately (on mine at least), it didn't show the start lights changing. Is that the same for all?

Rookie night.

Jumped the start and then got s/g
Forgot to turn off the engine and waited for 20 seconds wondering why nothing happened.. :P
Fortunately had some good fights with the Man from Eifel

... and  I got a 'I survived Zandvoort in a Mustang and all I got is this lousy t-shirt' t-shirt.

Congrats Geoffers with the win.

No comprende. was sure I'd seen lights go green,so went, as did most, got black flag also, went into pit
and sat there tyring to figure why it was saying no/2 or 3/yes against stop and go. so canceled tyres etc
hit return and took a 33 sec stop. ah well, had some fun chasing Alex, then trying to catch Fulvio while keeping
Clive at bay, shame it made it into two races on the same track at the same time. Those who got blacked
and those who didn't.

Quick heads up from someone who didn't get a black flag for jumping the start...

The lights here went off-red-green instead of red-green, and I saw a lot of people moving as soon as the red lights went on. Could have been lag but I'd hazard a guess at that being the reason for so many "jumping the start".

I had to do two because the place was jammed full on my first attempt and someone else was being tended to by my pit crew.

I tried to look at the replay for the lights as well but like yours it doesn't show them changing.

A miserable night but thankfully the other Soggies did better.  WD John for climbing almost back to your start position and grats to Stig for staying on the tarmac in our hour of need.

One positive thing, I didn't hit Matt's shed.  No matter how hard he tried to tempt me.  :angel:

Well that was lucky  ;D. I sat there waiting for the start lights & suddenly everyone sets off........... I was watching the pit exit light.

Next thing I know everyone (nearly) is heading for the pits.

Then Ade suddenly dissappears & I'm in the lead.

Drive fast but not riskily for another 18 laps........ win the race.

Well that was lucky  ;D

Seriously, bad luck to all those who got penalised, probably wrongly by the seems of things. If I had been watching the correct lights I would have too I guess.

Congrats to John & Mike, a few more laps & I would have been 3rd.

CHortle

Yes you did well Clive, my shed with good tyres was a lumbering hulk in the tight turns, when you caught, my
front right was in the red, and It was a handfull to not do something unexpected. Top marks that man.  ;D

Replay and Results in the usual places

Well that didn't go exactly as planned. The track/car combo worked very, very well, but the super pole quali procedure and the start lights made for a somewhat dissapointing night. In the end, I got exactly the race I was expecting with John once we both got through our stop/go penalties.

In order to do the super pole, it seems like we have to use Practice 1 for practice, Practice 2 for quali and then Quali 2 for super pole. I know some of you don't like it, but for those who are in the top 6, the added pressure of performing in 1 lap does mix things up and should be an opportunity for all to learn from the driver on the hot lap. After looking at the quali times for each driver in super pole, geoffers would have switched places with Ade at the start. It should work. I just need to refine it.

As far as the stop/go penalties, the start light sequence caught us out. I usually do practice races in preperation, but knew I did a race here earlier this year and I didn't remember the funny start sequence.

Congrats to Geoffers for good pace and holding it together. John made a gutsy pass and defended smartly after my only mistake. Great race for me.

Massive appologies to Miguel for the bump - totally my fault but I didn't expect you to slow there in my defence  :ninja:
Felt it best to wait for you as the track was empty, rather than simply scarper!

Otherwise I was on form for a good run, dropped the hammer almost exactly as John did and got a run up his outside into Tarzan. Nearly turned in on Mike when I spotted John pull behind me but a quick glace right at the last minute saved me  :sweatdrop:
It looked like I had enough pace to hold the lead had the pits not bekoned...
After my SnG I came out immediatly behind Miguel who was just behind John. After my unfortunate meeting with Miguel's rear end, and the time I lost waiting for him to rejoin, my race was suddenly looking much worse  :(
Decided to carry on and press hard to save what I could (Had to as I was leading the championship into this race so needed the points) and after passing most of the field - some great battles on the way! - finished 4th still slowly pulling mike and John back to the tune of maybe .4 seconds a lap average over the time they were visible on my pitboard  :)
(I suspect they were either on soft tyres or slowing each other later in the race, as both posted faster race laps than me)

Despite that I really enjoyed the race, the Falcon was a hoot to drive here and my newly modified 'long throw' 'floor' shifter for the G25 only added to the realism/fun  ;D
Looking forward to the next race - I'm going to practice my starts against the AI for that one I think!  :wetfish:

Grats Geoffers! Great fun, that. Close action from start to finish.

Got swamped by Falcons off the line, no idea what happened with the lights - I definitely went on green, might be an idea to start watching the counter instead.

Bit of a ropey first lap, was put off a bit by the stop/go warning so didn't push too hard as I assumed that any chance of a good result was long gone. Then the realisation dawned that half the field was in the same boat as all the "pit in" messages started appearing. Managed to leapfrog FMG in the pits somehow and came out halfway down the field.

A lap or two later and Mike exited the pits from his S/G just as I was coming to the end of the straight. I didn't quite have the pace to attempt a pass and was a bit frustrated at the time that had I done a better outlap I might have got in front. In hindsight though I think it made for a much better race for the both of us ;D

The rest of my race was spent trying in vain to find a way past Mike in the twisty stuff and desperately clinging to his bumper down the straight - that big Falcon creates one hell of a hole in the air as I wasn't that far behind each time by T1.

Just when I thought a mistake was never going to happen he gave me a single chance and I took it. Had just enough of a gap to be able to defend at the end of the straight and then capitalised where the Alfa was best. Good racing Mike, I got a bit too close for comfort a couple of times under braking but I don't think there was any contact. Good car choice and good track :thumbup1:

I'm sorry to have joined late for qualy, but I had problems to download the right track.
I was lucky to be last on the grid so I waited for all to start and avoided the false start. Indeed I was very confused when I saw a lot of cars pitting at the end of first lap, and I thought that there was a mandatory pit that I hadn't noticed in the rules. In doubt I carried on  :)
During the race I had some wide here and there, but nothing serious to damage my GTA.
Toward the end of the race I had Matt and Clive roaring behind  :o, but managed to bring it home safely  ;D
Ciao
 

Well as long as the quickest 1/3 of the grid get to enjoy mixing it up for an extra 15 mins each time, while everyone else has to wait, it must be worth pursuing.
Lol.

Not sure that people change their grid slot much, sure someone might, but mostly people are going to not be
gung ho when they get just the one lap. I was watching the order very carefully last night as I was asking cars to go
because as I moved view back and forth to the running and waiting cars, I was conscious that someone who was 6th
after their run might now be 3rd and I would foolishly ask them to go a 2nd time by mistake, but it didn't seem
to happen. I like the single lap qually thing in general. I like it when we somehow (can't remember how)
got an out lap and then best of two laps. The reliably faster people tended to get up front, but it did mess
the order up a little.

Thanks Alex. :thumbup1:

And sorry about the elbow in the ribs as I came past last night. ::)

I'm with Legzy on the one lap shoot out qualifying, I  just don't see the point  ??? so me a Geoffers would have swapped places wow (from what i saw we both had the exact same quali time anyway) and I'm sure i would of got ahead off the line in the Mustang then he would get back past in turn one with better brakes plus i always lose places at T1 lap 1 with being over cautious.
 Some drivers only get to fire up their PC on race night and the extra time on track can only help  and hopefully get them higher up the grid.
why not just make quali shorter ?? if you get stuck in traffic  and miss out on a good flying lap then that's racing, I'm sure that would mix up the grid. 

                                                 I'm not that fussed where i start on the grid so you could do a random grid for me.
                                                                                   Cheers Ade

                                                                   
 

Sorry folks for being absent but we had our 18 yr. old grandson staying for half term and he wanted to see as many on the sights of sunny Somerset as he could.  Wore “the olds”  :wheelchair:  out, trekking around with him.  :yes:  Hope to see you all next week as usual.    ;D            

On the subject of the superpole - I'm not sure I'm overly in favour of it either.
I think either normal (Perhaps shortened) qualifying, or single lap for everyone.
As mentioned, superpole for the top 4/5/6/7/8/whatever is largely pointless as positions either won't change - or won't change much  :)

Disappointing practice for me.
Could not beat the 1:50 (offline best somewhere within 1:49) in free practice and was even slower in qualification (1:51.77), ending up in 13th position.
Seems that evolving my setup went into wrong direction.

Race was fun.
Very surprisingly I found myself on seventh place after lap one and even on 6th place after lap two
(now I know what happened).
Then during the race I lost place after place - as usual - due to individual mistakes
and after some crashes and damages of suspension and aero with increasing problems with the handling of the car.
Sorry to Miguel de Raton who was forced to stop once during the race after I lost the car.
Nevertheless I had some nice laps with AlexvV and Fulvio Policardi and could finish in last place. ;D

See you next time and thanks to all involved.

Tim, SpecialKS.
Never mind. Preparing for this race didn't cost me anything. As a result, rear bumps happens when you slow as I was  :)


I don't like this qualification system. I waste my time in watching chat window, because don't follow other drivers and want to be concentrated on my driving. And too much chatting during flying lap.

My pleasure. Glad somebody reads it  ;)

Was running out of talent in Scheivlak with the Pony Car. Tried to leave you room but maneuvering an oil tanker through the English Channel is easier than driving the Mustang at bumpy and twisty Zandvoort (not that I own an oil tanker).