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For the 8Th round of the Historic trophy we go back in time and over the sea to Watkins Glen 1948.
I welcome you all to this event.

There will be chassis restrictions for this one based on the championship standings. Se below.

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Best of luck.
 
Race List =         iGOR
Server =            UKGPL_T7_2
IP Address =       62.149.202.168
Race date =       01-03-2011
Time =              21.00 UK time
Track =             Watkins Glen  1948 (V2)
Variant =           66F1 2L engines
Damage Model =  PRO
Qualifying time = 35 minutes. Do not start until 30 min left.
Race length =     Pro Long (14 laps)

The track can be downloaded from: http://srmz.net/index.php?showtopic=2732 (http://srmz.net/index.php?showtopic=2732)


Group I
T1F Eagle Climax
Lotus 33 Climax

Group II
Brabham BT11 2.5lt
Lotus 33 BRM


GroupIII
Ferrari 246
Brabham BT11 BRM
BRM P261
Brabham BT11 2.7lt

Drivers Restricted to cars from Group I
Hristo Itchov
EvilClive


Drivers Restricted to cars form Group II
Dave Randall
Tim Muttram

All other drivers have free chassis choice.

Password: see above (#post_event_password)
(2) Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R;group=278;theme=6)

Because I, when testing, found a little problem with the track we used during the preseason test I have changed the track to the same but without the (V2) in the name.

The layout is the same, the only difference is that the trees have more colours, and the car on the BAPOM Cover is red.

The track dir for this one is :watkin48

Göran

What problem, Goran? We had a fine test race at the end of last year, didn't we? I thought v2 is the more stable and visually better looking version of the two.

Well, the problem was in the section after the two jumps before the field with the railway jump, at one turn there when loosing it a bit in a left hand corner I got a screen freeze. And I tried it many times with the same result so I thouhgt.

But of cause it  was when you like went off so maybe it does not matter.  If the (V2) is more stable, and it surly is better looking, then of cause we can go back to the (V2).

We will have a couple of days to decide so I will keep it open for now.

Göran

I didn't know about the screen freeze in that part. The track probably has a gap in the polygons and you freeze as soon as you hit it. But if the track is exactly the same in the other version, layout-wise, then the problem should be there as well? Have you tried to re-produce a screen freeze at it?

Yes I did and it did not happen.

But of cause I found out on the (V2) version by making a mistake and go off twice at the same place with the same result. and then try it out slowly, but maybe the other version do the same some other place.

Because the two versions have the same layout we do not have to make a decision until it`s time for the race, well except if you have markers by colour of the trees of cause.

Göran

That's a known issue with that version, v2 fixes this.

I did some more testing and when I downloaded the top option on the download link only I did not manage to make the screen freeze appear again. I do not know why but I had a "glen1948" that was 46.7MB, but the one I have now it only 38.8MB.

So, after I took everything into consideration, I have decided to go back to the (V2) version of the track. After all, as Hristo said, there were no problems when we did the pre season test, and if the (V2) version, according to Jethro, were to fix problems with the first one then we have another reason for using the (V2) version.

The track that will be used is the (V2) version that can be downloaded from: http://srmz.net/index.php?showtopic=2732 (http://srmz.net/index.php?showtopic=2732)

Göran

awww all these options. V2? I can t see any v2..

The whole post from Goran's link is V2. It's just different texture options which you can download, but it's V2 on all of them.

Your track dir for v2 should be watkin48. We ran v2 at Vader Trophy a while ago and that had zero problems (apart from drivers inability to drive in a straight line over the hump, we called that stupidity ;D).

thx H :)

GAAAAAAAAA!!!!! :scared:

I glanced at this post over the weekend and saw "Watkins Glen"...did NOT see 48!!! 


Missed out on the trial run last year so have not even downloaded this track yet.....................it had better be EASY!!!!

It's not. :) You can check a lap on my Youtube channel from that pre-season run.

Nope!!  this is does NOT come into the "easy" category.

1 hours practice= 3 slow laps without incident + 2 flying laps without ripping at least 1 wheel off!!!  This does NOT look good. Off to watch Hristo's lap...maybe I was going the wrong way?? ::)

According to the GPL Track Database the (V2) version has track dir: glen1948. The one with the blue car on the BAPOM cover, the one released after, and that was the track we used in the pre-season test race with no problem. When I also, after that I installed the 38.8MB version (the basic top download), had no problems I decided to use that track.

So once again the track that will be used is: http://srmz.net/index.php?showtopic=2732 (http://srmz.net/index.php?showtopic=2732)

Göran

First time this season I've been restricted and naturally it's on a track with massive straights!  :hammer:
The Fez or BRM would have been damn handy round here  ::)

It's not a track where you actually gain much time on the straights, the corner sections are so tricky that the real time is gained there.

or lost!!! :-\

Not to worry - Florists are standing by! :turned:

Very short race for me  :(

Lap 1 - Goran went wide before the railway lines so I moved right and got a nasty wobble over the crossing and slew badly left on landing.  Sorry Goran, didn't mean to pull across in front of you.  Then I selected 2nd instead of 4th for the fast left hander (I was getting used to this H shifter).  Survived that but then I came across Bernie in the middle of the road.  Tried to ease by on the left but got stuck in the fly paper that seems to adorn the trees around here.

Feel a bit robbed after losing a wheel to the invisible wall that extends a metre or two from the end of the little bridge, after the two jumps.  Hristo also seemed to be the victim of something similar when he got a bit close to a dangerous leaf that also gave disastrous consequences!

Such as shame, as the circuit is a fun challenge but seems to contain a few nasty surprises.  In qualifying I went into the trees after the aforementioned bridge which froze the PC, so V2 does indeed still have such issues.

Well done to the winner and to all finishers

Sorry to here that Phil, not exactly what I had planned , didnt last much longer myself though my acco was elf induced , maybe it was the thought of doing another 12 laps but lost concentration went flying and ripped a wheel off

Somehow we dont seem destined to cross swords in GPL these days , not a bit like old times  :(

more like "old timers"   ;D

maybe S21 if your in 67Grads/privates ?

That nabbed my front wheel with 3 to go - I was a mile and a half in the lead by then  :(
Still tryed to finish and 'may' have held onto 3rd if I hadn't wobbled into the invisible wall that took H out, and damaged Clive and a few others. I wasn't so lucky that time and rolled.
Really don't know how I didn't scream obsenities at the PC!  ::)

Well Done to Tom, Al and Clive on their podiums, And Fulvio who I think finished(?) but was a lap down I think so I nabbed his 4th still  ???

Hope so Bernie.  I've tended to opt for the faster divisions because they tend to run the newer more challenging tracks but I'm not alien material and I tend to be totally outclassed.  We'll have to see what offerings Vos and the team dream up for Season 21.  What ever happens I need to be in a division that allows me to race with others rather than circulate on my own at the back.

You guessed right, Dave, it was an over-extended collision box of that yello post sign or whatever it is at the fast long right near the end of the lap. It was just shaping up for a good chase after my early troubles which dropped me down the order...

Had a horrible start and lost many places. Not tested the start torque at the line only other places.Touched Evil in t1.sorry for that,but I felt I had nowhere to go. got stuck in traffic, but after Bernie had an incident I barely avoided I had martin as single in front of me.gøran and another car behind got caught in that incident so I got relief from behind. I passed Martin at end of l1, but a mistaken brakepoint t s/f let him by again he had a halfspin and I was in front again up towards the the 3 rd gear righthander and fast sjikane before the first straight. I felt the sjikane was a "one line"place and since there was a straight right after I really didn t think he would dive in there but he did.He banged the trees but made it .I hit the trees in effort to give room for both and span. Noone passed me and after this I got a good float climbed all the way to the top because of others trouble xpt my great teammate Al who gently gave me room. very lucky to win this race since my dance with martin easily could have clipped of a wheel, but I was unharmed. :).I also had one stupid spin in the brakedown before the left right s/f section where I thought I blew it.also unharmed from that, but cost me additional 7 secs.Oh well..there have been other races where others have come through loads and myself have bend car after one small touch.This time I was the lucky one :)

I seemed to forget absolutely everything I'd learned about this track from the pre-season fun race, so when I came to practise here I seriously never managed more than 2 consecutive laps without crashing... naturally this did not bode well for a 14 lap race! So considering all that I'm rather pleased with my performance - beat my PB by over 2 seconds in Q & then was able to capitalise on Hristo's slow start to nip into 2nd behind Tim. I was keeping Tim in sight for a while but then but had a near-disastrous landing at one of the jumps which served as a timely warning to stay at my own pace. Had a moment of confusion soon after when Evil arrived in my mirrors & then moments later appeared in front of me with no wheels & burning like a roman candle! I gather it's just a relatively minor bump on the official race server but my replay shows total carnage so I was extremely puzzled to see Evil still lapping on Prib as the race progressed.

With Tim now some 30+ seconds ahead & Tom a similar gap behind, I just concentrated on running as hard as I dared go without trashing the car. It simply wasn't enough though - Tom was taking huge chunks out of my 2nd place every lap so when he arrived behind me I just let him through with the ol' teammate switcheroo. Tom's done the same for me on the (increasingly-rare) occasions when I've been able to lap much quicker than him & anyway my disastrous practice runs had firmly proved there was no way I could run at that (qually) pace & stay on track. Towards the end of the race I had a heart-stopping moment arriving at the jump just as a 3-wheeled car was attempting to wobble its way through & was even more surprised to find it was Tim! That allowed me back up to a last-gasp 2nd - shame I didn't have enough to keep Tom at bay for what was ultimately a win but frankly even getting to the finish here felt like a victory ;) Congrats to Tom & all the brave finishers - commiserations to Tim.

There was a tree, with my name written on it, at this track!  It said, "I love maddog," so I hoped it wasn't written by one of the drivers, as I'd heard there's no love lost, between drivers at the track.

I had the Ferrari handling nicely, and realized if I didn't bounce off too many trees, a decent result would be possible.  ::)

Managed to sneak the anti-pileup radar past scrutineering, and made full use of it, at the first corner. Then somehow survived the first lap, and settled down to some fast laps, around the track.  

I'd just started to sit back, and enjoy the scenery, when I spun landing one of the slow jumps.  This allowed Tom to grab onto my tail, and then insist on passing me, while in midair over the railway crossing!  It was his third time by, and I think there should be a limit set.  His BRM power was overpowering, and my response was to let loose with some engine parts.  Race over! :'(

I stayed and watched FMG's valiant efforts . . . it should be noted that, the best drivers are said, to drive the wheels off their cars.  However, it's not normal to continue racing competitively, once this happens!  But anyway, a bit of a disappointing race for me, and also for that tree.

My one hours practice at the circuit on Monday evening and trying to learn all of its little dangers was obviously not enough by the time 9 p.m. came around on Tuesday!!

So Qually was a going to be an intense learning session whilst still trying to sort out the gears etc. I really fluked an early lap with some very hairy "near misses" to post a pb lap that eventually claimed a reasonable grid slot.

at the start I almost ran into Tom who bogged down and found myself approaching T1 with cars beginning to squeeze in from the outside , so I tried to keep it as tight as I could. It seems that I also squeezed Tom's space and the contact flipped me around ( NP Tom my replay shows that you had nowhere to go except up my exhaust pipe!!)
 I  recovered and got going without any apparent damage and was surprised to find myself in 4th place ( I think??) , but Tim and Al had skipped away into a healthy lead.

My Lotus Climax was just outclassed on the straights although seemed to be better through the corners. Martin materialised in my mirrors and then de-materialised to appear again in front as he pulled away on the straight, but I came upon him again at the first jump climbing down from a tree, where I presume he had gone to scout for directions.
I fully expected Hristo to come sailing past at any moment, but it appears that he had problems of his own with the scenery  :-\, something that I was to share very soon afterwards!!

Up until the point at which AL had his moment at the jump I was content to keep things safe and calm and concentrate on getting to the finish, but when I glimpsed Al's car only a couple of seconds ahead.....well??  I just had to push , didn't I?? It took about a lap to get into his slipstream and as we approached the Railway Crossing I was beginning to close the gap very quickly. That fast left hander after the crossing had been a corner that I struggled to get right, always turning in too late and dicing with those straw bales around the outside. But on this lap I got a far better line through there and emerged travelling considerably faster than AL, so I went for the pass approaching Big Bend. I got alongside easily and knew that I could throw the Lotus into Big Bend confident that it would hold a tight line if I needed to.

What I had not allowed for was Hristo's yellow sign, that slipped a metre sideways as I passed and clipped my car sending it spinning like a top. How I did not collect Al as well I do not know??!!

I thought that my race was over for sure, but to my amazement I still had 4 wheels and the engine running!! Unfortunately it was not all good news ! When I got moving again the car was about 30% down on power and I could only reach max revs in 4th gear at the ends of the straights. Dropping it into 5th made the engine drop off the cam and lose speed.
So I concentrated on carrying as much speed as I could through the corners, to maintain momentum, and wondered if the damaged engine would hold out for the next 11 laps!!

Al pulled steadily away in front and Tom began to close quickly from behind as my laptimes dropped by about 12 secs a lap.  :'(    Tom eventually swept past and there was nothing I could do, but I was running in 4th spot and only Fulvio was behind me and a looooong way back.
As the laps counted down I almost quit as I had no chance of racing anyone even if I could find another car on the track, but I cruised on until about 3 laps from the end when Tim was suddenly losing huge amounts of his lead. I was doing huge calculations in my head for the next 2 laps trying to work out if I could catch him befroe the end of the race. On the final lap It became clear that it would be VERY close, probably on the dash out of the last corner!! and  a chance of a podium :o

Then I passed Tim's car stuck in the trees at Big Bend!!

Grats to Tom and Al and hard luck to Tima and Fulvio.

Really grew to like this track, but it is a shame that it has a few danger spots that can finish your race when you think you are safe .