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For the next round in our GT Fun series we visit the classic British track that is Brands Hatch


Brands Hatch            30 LAPS     Grid START     PITSTOPS         March 25th


To prevent everyone taking one of the "power" cars for each and every race, drivers will have a total budget of 85 tokens to cover all 5 races AND must take a different car for each race.
If you miss a race, then 17 tokens will be deducted from your budget, so that no-one can forfeit a single race and run faster cars in the other 4. Smart thinking for a simple moderator eh???  Roll Eyes

You do not need to register your cars before each race, you can keep your selection a secret, but anyone exceeding their budget over the 5 races will have their best result cancelled.

Once again a single Shift-R regardless of fault.

If you have an incident within the pitlane ( in races where we are using pitstops), then you will have to complete your pitstop, leave the pits and perform the SnG on another lap.

Points will be as before   24-22-20-18-17-16-15-14-13-12-11-10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3 and points are only awarded if you see the chequered flag.


THE CAR TOKEN VALUES HAVE BEEN REVISED

Cars                   Token value

FORD MK2B                          14
FORD MklV                           16
FORD MK1                            15
MIRAGE                               18
CHAP 2D                              22
CHAP2F                               25
FERRARI                              22
PORSCHE                            10
LOLA                                  22

Proposed race list

MONZA                 35 LAPS     ROLLING START    PITSTOPS                                   March 4th
NURBY                   6  LAPS    GRID START          NO PITSTOPS                              March 11th
ST JOVITE            25 LAPS     ROLLING START    NO PITSTOPS                               March 18th
BRANDS HATCH    30 LAPS     GRID START    &   PITSTOPS     (OR DIJON PRENOIS???) March 25th
ADELAIDE              35 LAPS    ROLLING START    NO PITSTOPS                               April   1st

PIT STOP TIMES

PIT STOP TIMES FOR THE BRANDS HATCH RACE.   PLEASE REMEMBER THAT YOU MUST USE A DIFFERENT CAR FOR EACH RACE IN THIS SERIES.


                         SINGLE STOP       2 STOPS
                          
Ford GT40 Mk1      No Stop             No Stop
Ford GT40 Mk2B        13             Too Short
Ford GT40 Mk4        15             Too Short
Mirage M1                17             Too Short
Chaparral MK2D        34                  12
Porsche 910           95                   43
Ferrari 330 P4         111                    56
Lola T70 Mk3         113                    53
Chaparral Mk2F         139                   64

Subject to moderation these are the standings and the tokens used and available .

Remember, if you do not race you lose 17 tokens ( 5 x 17= 85) and you MUST use a different car for each race.

                                                  Tokens Used    Tokens Left               Points ( subject to moderation )

 1  39 Ronnie Peterson                                40                  45                      53                                
 2   7 Fulvio Policardi-GT                              48                  37                      62  
 3  16 Jason Blito                                       39                  46                      34  
 4  24 Paul Whitfield GT                               44                  41                      30  
 5   1 Pedro Berg_vd                                   42                  43                      40  
 6  37 Sam Blood                                        42                  43                      17
 7  38 Axel Cookie                                       48                  37                      -  
 8   2 Juha HalliGT                                       42                  43                      46
 9  21  EvilGT                                             49                  36                      18    
10  15 Nicky Ickx GT                                   49                  46                      16  
11  14 Göran JonssonGT                              48                  37                      40
12  20 steve birdgt                                      54                 31                      -      
13  25 Hristo ItchovGT                                 48                 37                      -  
14  18 Norbert GT Stemmler                          44                 41                      -  
15  12 Bob Whitwell                                     31                 54                      -
16  Tom Ostade                                          39                 46                      22
17   Martin Hunt                                          44                 41                      17
18   Phil thornton                                         42                 43                      27
19  Fran Molteni                                           56                 29                      13

If you think the numbers are wrong  please speak to my wife, then you will know that you are really wrong..even if you were right!!  Wink


 Cars                          Token value

FORD MK2B                          14
FORD MklV                           16
FORD MK1                            15
MIRAGE                               18
CHAP 2D                              22
CHAP2F                               25
FERRARI                              22
PORSCHE                            10
LOLA                                  22
  

Having just had a go at the BREASTS races tonight, which were fun, but with a joystick (I have broken leg in case people are wondering why I cant use wheel) I'll skip this.  While I can put in a semi respectable time in the 1:39's I don't feel steady enough to compete with full grid.

I'll just stick to fun races for now and the BREASTS races too, just to keep my GPL fix going for another four weeks, then hopefully can get back to using pedals.

Love this track, but I don't want to risk it.

Have fun guys.

You have one leg intact, can't you use that for working with the pedals?

looks like fun event me driving with mk1 with no pit stops.  :D

Hmmm - if I didn't drive on the basis of only being able to manage 1:39's I'd never drive at all ;)

Get well soon mate.

No sadly not, its my right leg that I have broken, and trying to do throttle control with my left foot is no better than trying to use a joystick (I tried briefly).  Also, how my desk is set up, I would have to keep my right leg bent and at an awkward angle for the duration of the race, which really isn't comfortable; I don't want to risk causing further damage just to take part in PC racing.  Its only a few weeks.  I would hate to end up influencing a race outcome by not being able to control the car properly.

Actually using a stick for a few races might teach me something.  I have had to use some very different techniques (no gas available while braking) to get around and have found I can actually carry much more speed through a turn than I thought, providing I set it up properly for a turn (something you have said frequently, I've just never been able to do it properly lol), so it might, in the long run, actually help!  :laugh:

T7 server is ready set for a 30 laps Long race at Brands67 listening on Igor.
Ciao

Thanks Fulvio

Speedy recovery Steve!

Cheers Paul.  Its not the laptimes, I was quite surprised I could get that far.   The Porsche helped along with the fact I love the track.  I just dont want to risk someone elses race, particularly on corner entry where I am a bit random on lines and frequently end up over correcting and spinning.

I was hoping you would have been along at BREASTS last night as I thought we could have had a good bit of close racing.  As it was I ended up running ahead of a few established names anyway  ;D.  Maybe catch you at another fun race sometime, we could practice some close racing for you to get used to the blinding speed you're going to be getting over the next season :)

@Ronnie - Thanks.  Really I just wanted to see what Valentino was going through last year ;)

Well, I've used joystick for so many years in the past and actually still can't beat some of my Lotus times achieved back then. It's definitely easier to control RFB with your wrist than with a foot, but it does take time to develop the habits and precision. As an advice, try moving the linearity slider close to maximum non-linear setting, i.e. 80-90% to the right. It helps a lot with controlling the car in a smoother manner. Also, if you're having problems under braking, try using more clutches; that has always helped me back then, especially at high speed. I used to remove the springs of my joystick completely so it has no resistance whatsoever, it made it easier to control the car, although you need to develop a sensitive touch. Ah and yeah, use higher steering ratio, such as 15:1, with the steering hack turned on for hairpins. Use a more open diff on the coast side to help for turning in as a compensation for the above settings. As for braking bias, I was able to go down to 52bb for the 67 Lotus eventually, but was using 54-55 initially. It just takes time and practice. :)

cool, thanks H I'll give them a try.  Hopefully it wont be long term, but its actually quite fun to try a change.

Because I have been fired from the modteam you will have to find some one else to start the server tonight Evil.

Göran

Np Goran, I can do it  ;)
Ciao

Thanks Fulvio


Password tonight will be   "druids"

Well that was fun until I cocked up my second pit stop.  The Ferrari was a joy to drive round Brands but with such a long pit stop time it was going to be tough to stay at the front.

Got a decent start and was holding a comfortable 3rd for a while.  I caught the grass at South Bank and ended up spinning and got in the way of someone (Goran I think - sorry M8) so that dropped me back quite a bit.  Later on after taking my first 56 second pit stop, I was following H (who had just lapped me) and I crashed into Clear Ways so I decided to take my second stop.  Came across a Porsche taking a pit stop just in front of my box so I didn't get lined up in front of my pit board properly.  Should have realised that and crept forward but didn't so got discoed.  Never mind still enjoyed the pit stop format, although I was passing people after pitting the first time  there was no way to tell if I was pulling away fast enough to stay ahead after my second stop.  Makes the racing more interesting IMO  ;D - it isn't over until the final lap :fencing:

 :o whats that about ? .in front of my pitboard properly  ?? .. I thought its a must to stop as early as could be done inside pitlane , to make all those 1000times little moves , just to tell GPL you are  still racing ....

(which by the way I forgott this time , thatswhy I was kicked out )

well to be honest , I am unsure if I can stand that  pitstop-crap .
I do very like the idea of pitstops in a race . But as long pitstops dont been accept in a clean way by GPL itself .. as well dont serve a way for fuel load strategy , for me it turns out as a no go .

Pitty that those moders did stay so realistic to  67 sportcars , cause it seems that of about 60% of those cars arent compatitive .

well , I think Porsche-Cup would be the best way to extract fun and thrill outa that mod .


DONT FORGETT TO WATCH F1 TOMORROW !!!!  :D

There is one place where you can make a Pit Stop and stay stationary as long as you like without being discoed.  That place is exactly in your own Pit Box.  You know when you are in your Pit Box because the pit board is withdrawn.  But don't go too far past the board (no more than half a car length) otherwise you will have moved out of your pit box and into the next one.

Fired?  :o What did you do?  ???

didnt know there was no warm up lap (didnt read rules accurate) and let Hristo go on first lap. Stay a close distande with him but too many error on my side and dropped finally behind Fulvio, 2 times i was enough close him but again mistakes and my final place was 3rd.

good track



Juha

Shame I couldn't make this one. A couple of days ago, my television-turned-computer screen made a loud popping sound which I'm assuming is a blown capacitor. Either way, now the tele makes an awful droning noise whenever I turn it on and the screen constantly flashes into differing shades of blue  ::). Seems I'm out for the rest of the off season as my laptop simply can't cope with the sports car mod. Hopefully I can grab my old screen during the Easter holidays and resume racing as normal for S21  :).

That's unlucky Samb :(
For me this race was a struggle. I've had a very busy week and thus only got about 20 minutes practise. Long enough to set the gear ratios and cambers and thats about it. Everything else on the car was a guessed at setup and it really didn't work at all. I was all over the place and eventually crashed out at Hawthorn bend.
I really must learn to make time for pre-event practising!

Pleased I popped along.  As I posted previously I wasn't going to race, but being off work I had the chance to try a few more laps and got a little more steady with the joystick so thought I'd give it a go if no one objected in chat.

It was a fun race, albeit some 2 seconds a lap off my wheel times.  The stick required a very sensitive touch and occasionally I failed with that resulting in quite a few spins.  One unfortunately resulted in being sat on the racing line just over the brow of Paddock Hill Bend where Juha had no option but to run straight into my stricken car; we were fortunate that neither car seem to take any damage, so I'm thankful for that.  Sorry Juha.

Shame so many dropped out in the end.  I was pleased to manage a finish.

I love Brands where the Porsche excels, the only car I could really get away with at the moment with the stick, need more practice with some other cars if I want to try Adelaide.  Hope we get the chance to try Brands again with GTs when I'm back with my wheel.

Congratulations to H and the podium; well driven guys.  A big well done to all finishers, indeed all that took part.

Cheers.

I do not know, no explanation so far. The only thing I can think of is that I discussed the penalty system from a critical view and comparing with other leagues.

But today, after the initial chock, I think maybe it`s for the best. After all I will have more time for practicing and improving my racing. The only thing I really miss about being a mod is to choose the tracks we race on. But I am sure my replacement will do a good job.

My race was rather compromised by the event of the day, see above, so I was not well prepared and a bit shaky so the result was not good. I managed to put the car on the front row, because of the tight grid, which I do not mind, but did a rather poor start, was a bit too cautious, so I lost one place. But I was running in 4Th behind Phil, and no problem about the spin Phil, the pace was ok but then I started thinking of the pitstops. I decided to take two pistops for 53 sec and after the first one I found out that it was not a good strategy. The time to get into and out of the pits and to find the rhythm after was way too much compared with making just one pitstop for 113 sec. So I ended the race in p8 my worst so far.

Congrats to Hristo and the podium and WD Steve.

Göran

Excuse me guys, whats this about, can someone explain? This is an April fools in advance, isnt it? Because of course we all know Goran is the voice of common sense around here.

Quite relieved to hear that Goran, I didn't want to be responsible for wrecking your race.

Yes I think that is probably the best strategy.  If I had done one long stop I wouldn't have made a mess of my second one :taz:

Don't congratulate me, I didn't take a pitstop, so I expect to be DQ.  ;D

can someone upload a race replay somewhere , pls.

i didnt use even pribluda on the race so i was driving blind, least i t feels like that

Please, if someone could load up a replay  :angel:  :angel:  :angel:

Thanx
Axel

Maybe Fulvio can upload the server replay for us, as he has access to the T7 server??

I have access to server replay of course, but how and where can I upload it to usual UKGPL replay storage?
Ciao

 ;D good to hear I am not the only one suffers under a corrupt bad working memory , lol .

I was looking forward to this but after about five minutes I started getting frame rates of about 6 :( I turned EVERYTHING off to see if it would improve matters but no good. Started but pulled off. Major shame.

Ah well. Adelaide - that should be interesting.

Sorry only just spotted this. Bunged the replay in the usual place (http://www.jamesonline.net/ukgpl/ (http://www.jamesonline.net/ukgpl/))

Subject to moderation......some drivers may have omitted to take their pit stops!!!  Stewards are investigating  ::)

Track: Brands67             Wed Mar 30 00:06:24 2011

PRACTICE TIMES

Pos No Driver                           Team     Nat      Time      Diff Laps
 1  51 Hristo ItchovGT                  GT40MkIV JPN 1m36.348s              9
 2  67 Juha HalliGT                     GT40 MkI FIN 1m37.829s   01.481s   10
 3   8 Göran JonssonGT                  Lola T70 SWE 1m38.194s   01.846s    6
 4  59 Axel Cookie                      GT40Mk2B GER 1m38.447s   02.099s    9
 5  24 Phil ThorntonGT                  Ferrari  GBR 1m38.928s   02.580s   10
 6  25 Ronnie Peterson                  Mirage   ITA 1m39.221s   02.873s   11
 7  61 Pedro Berg_vd                    GT40 MkI HOL 1m39.359s   03.011s    9
 8   6  EvilGT                          Mirage   GBR 1m39.577s   03.229s    6
 9   9 Fulvio Policardi-GT              GT40 MkI ITA 1m39.656s   03.308s    7
10  53 Nicky Ickx GT                    Lola T70 VEN 1m39.761s   03.413s    5
11  10 Joystick SBird                   Porsche  GBR 1m40.718s   04.370s   10
12  11 Jason Blito                      GT40MkIV GBR 1m42.400s   06.052s    9
13  52 Paul Whitfield GT                Mirage   GBR 1m53.172s   16.824s    3
14   3 Skymole 2173 -m                  Porsche  USA 1m59.617s   23.269s    6
15   7  EvilGT                          GT40 MkI GBR   No time   No time    0
16  27 2 UKGPL_T7                       Ferrari  ITA   No time   No time    0

All times are official
Generated with GPL Replay Analyser


Track: Brands67             Wed Mar 30 00:06:24 2011

RACE RESULTS (After 30 laps)

Pos No Driver                          Team     Nat Laps   Race Time       Diff
 1  51 Hristo ItchovGT                 GT40MkIV JPN   30  49m00.897s            
 2   9 Fulvio Policardi-GT             GT40 MkI ITA   30  50m19.254s  1m18.357s
 3  67 Juha HalliGT                    GT40 MkI FIN   30  50m23.286s  1m22.389s
 4  61 Pedro Berg_vd                   GT40 MkI HOL   29  49m07.750s   1 lap(s)
 5   6  EvilGT                         Mirage   GBR   29  49m14.446s   1 lap(s)
 6  25 Ronnie Peterson                 Mirage   ITA   29  50m06.710s   1 lap(s)
 7  59 Axel Cookie                     GT40Mk2B GER   28  49m24.388s   2 lap(s)
 8   8 Göran JonssonGT                 Lola T70 SWE   28  49m55.523s   2 lap(s)
 9  10 Joystick SBird                  Porsche  GBR   27  49m52.904s   3 lap(s)
10  11 Jason Blito                     GT40MkIV GBR   16  28m29.916s  14 lap(s)
11  24 Phil ThorntonGT                 Ferrari  GBR   15  26m27.220s  15 lap(s)
12  53 Nicky Ickx GT                   Lola T70 VEN   14  24m50.692s  16 lap(s)
13   3 Skymole 2173 -m                 Porsche  USA   10  23m29.181s  20 lap(s)
14  52 Paul Whitfield GT               Mirage   GBR    0   0m00.000s  30 lap(s)
15   7  EvilGT                         GT40 MkI GBR    0 DidNotStart  30 lap(s)
16  27 2 UKGPL_T7                      Ferrari  ITA    0 DidNotStart  30 lap(s)


Race results are unofficial
(Replay might have been saved before end of race)

RACE FASTEST LAPS

Pos Driver                                 Time Lap
 1  Hristo ItchovGT                   1m36.342s  27
 2  Juha HalliGT                      1m37.412s  30
 3   EvilGT                           1m37.515s  29
 4  Phil ThorntonGT                   1m38.299s   4
 5  Göran JonssonGT                   1m38.427s   4
 6  Fulvio Policardi-GT               1m38.599s  24
 7  Pedro Berg_vd                     1m38.647s  25
 8  Ronnie Peterson                   1m39.385s  19
 9  Nicky Ickx GT                     1m39.713s  11
10  Axel Cookie                       1m40.028s  18
11  Joystick SBird                    1m40.392s  23
12  Jason Blito                       1m41.388s   4
13  Skymole 2173 -m                   2m03.977s   9
14   EvilGT                             No time
15  2 UKGPL_T7                          No time
16  Paul Whitfield GT                   No time


LEADERS

Driver                           Laps
Hristo ItchovGT                  1-30

Number of lead changes: 0
Number of leaders: 1


LAPS LED

Driver                           Laps led
Hristo ItchovGT                  30

After checking the replay the revised standings are as below. Hristo forgot to take his Pit stop


Pos No Driver                          Team    
            
 1   9 Fulvio Policardi-GT             GT40 MkI ITA  
 2  67 Juha HalliGT                    GT40 MkI FIN  
 3  61 Pedro Berg_vd                   GT40 MkI HOL  
 4   6  EvilGT                         Mirage   GBR     
 5  59 Axel Cookie                     GT40Mk2B GER  
 6   8 Göran JonssonGT                 Lola T70 SWE  
 7  10 Joystick SBird                  Porsche  GBR  
 8  25 Ronnie Peterson             Mirage   ITA

1  51 Hristo ItchovGT                 GT40MkIV          DQ  no pitstop  tut tut!!!
      

Grats Fulvio !

i could win the race without that spun off on last lap, good fight with Fulvio  ;D

You do me a disservice Clive. After completing my stop and go for my single shift-r at the end of lap 2, I left the pits came back round and did my 17s single pitstop at the end of the following lap. Do I understand that I could have saved myself the trouble of coming in twice?

Sorry if I made a mistake about your stop. I will check again this evening and make the necessary adjustments to points etc.

I watched the race at 16x normal speed and had to do it for each car. After about 45 minutes of that anyone's eyesight is suspect!!

As regards SnG's after a Shift-R, those must be taken as a totally separate trip into the pits.

At least there are no pitstops at Adelaide and probably just as well, because the pit exit is blind and directly on to the racing line into T1!!! Brands is not quite as bad if drivers are sensible, but there were a couple of "racing incidents" at Paddock Hill bend as cars emerged from their pit stops.

just posted some files that might help with disco problems at brands


http://srmz.net/index.php?showtopic=6811