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Practice 1:	20:00 BST	(10 mins)
Qual 2:	20:10	(20 mins)
Race:	20:30	(60 mins)	note: no warmup!

Cars allowed: Any GT2 from the v2.13.0.0 physics pack. You will also need the v2.12.0.0 GT2 skin pack but, the v2.10.5.0 sound pack is optional (download from here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3356.msg54519#post_physics)).
Weather: dry.
Track: Valencia Streets v1.0.0.0 (download from here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3356.msg54900#post_valenciastreet)). NOTE - Track now uploaded.
Race Start Time: 14:00.
Pit Stops: You must make a minimum of one pit stop during which you must take on at least 1 litre of fuel and/or change at least two tyres. You cannot take a mandatory stop at the end of the pace lap, or with less than 1 lap to go.

Fuel Use: x2

Server: simracing.org.uk LE
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Notes:
(1) Please make sure you are fully aware of the UKGTR Rules (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3349.0) - especially the speed limiter starting procedure and the rules about in-game chat messages.
(2) Standings and schedule can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R;group=241;theme=3)
(3) You will not be able to join the server without the car physics pack and track (see links above).
(4) Drivers may only change car once in the season without penalty.
(5) Drivers are reminded that they must select ISDN as their bandwidth, otherwise the stability of everyone's connection will be reduced.
(6) Please use the Driver Details (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=profile;sa=driver_info) page to ensure that the league management software has your correct GTR2 'Driving Name' (not necessarily the same as your lobby name).
(7) The server will be set to 26 slots, not 28.

jeez, this is a horrible track, its like a bland featureless version of Long Beach  :(  Just done some laps but wasnt inspired enough to bother for more than 20 minutes.
Didnt help that i did my laps after spending some time with GTrEvo at Brands earlier, the difference in feel is night and day and sadly GTR2 is the loser by a long chalk. Its quite amazing when you run one after the other how different they feel.

2:14 q  2:16 R but very early installation laps.

So would you say you prefer Evo then MJ? ;)

Another MJ 'I hate all games other than Evo' posts  ;) You been giving Oily tips? Mr 'mention the mx5's in every post' Oily

 ;D ;)

 ::) where would i be without my two friendly trolls following me around the boards  :P

I would hardly ever call myself a GTR2 hater considering ive owned it and GTR1 since they came out and raced a gazillion events on them both !  Im telling it how i see it, Evo is a step up, no doubt. Im always after the feel, noise and grip i experience on track in my own car at the very least. Im more surprised at you guys who dont think its an improvement  ??? Even the blinking touring cars in evo feel better than the GT's in GTR2 and i dont even normally like touring cars !!  :o

Besides...have you tried this track yet? Its blander than bland, just like the real track on telly when the F1's on  :yawn:   Should have been Paul Ricard this week like the LMS series, what a great track that is  8) Still H@L picked two corkers for rounds 1&2 so forgive him this carbuncle  ;)

Anyone else set times here yet? or did you fall asleep at the wheel  ;D

Bit unfair comparing a free 3rd party track with one produced by professionals. May not look at good but it's all about the racing :P

I actually did a really good PnG race here a week or two back. I was quite surprised. This is a better track from racing than hotlapping.


I'm loving our GT2's championship, loving the Super GT's & initial impressions of GTR2 F1'88 are very good too. Evo is fine, I'm just happy with GTR2 until I'm forced away from it. :)

I hope to join in with this one, it's a new track to me (racing around, anyway) and it didn't take me long to learn not to try and gain too much over the kerbs; most of them are pretty brutal! :o :D

Currently doing some 2:07's with the occasional dip into the 06's, but the setup is a bit too understeery at the moment, and I'm not sure how the tyres would last.  I agree it's not the best track in the world for hotlapping, (there's a real lack of, well, anything around most of the track!), but I can see the racing being good. There's definitely some scope for taking different lines through the slower corners to try and get a run down the straights :)

Best so far is a 2.09.2 but with this track i'm a bit more variable than normal, too easy to lose time :-\

Nice to see you back Zacari :)

I quite like this track. The final hairpin is really challenging with that flick before it and is one of my faves. That said, its not really a BiT track (can't even get outta 5th, so top end speed advatange is gone) but I'll give someone a race.

The Panoz will be good around here (no pressure Legzy ;)).
 

I thought the Bi was all about the power!

Internet connection dropped out shortly after I had pitted. :taz: :'(

My connection has been a bit funny all day. >:(

Too bad, H@l. :( For the moment I thought for a close finish, then picked a curb and spinned. ::) Pitted and nsfast came by and had some troubles catching - you didn't change the tyres, nsfast? Then saw I was gonna be short on fuel and had to drive more slowly and fist Spanner and then Zacari started to catch up. Finished with 0,4 l of fuel in the tank, now that's a close finish. :D

Great race, apart from my spin and H@l's disco and grats to Jon and sbg for a truly amazing pace. 8)

Xou had a nice pace, SRW, I see you're comming up to speed. :) Some laps and I'll be sniffing your ... ::) tailpipe. ;)

tough track that and one i dont like. Never got near the front end pace for this, i must have something completely wrong setup wise as highest i could manage was a 2:07, 3 secs off pody guys  :( Take it you guys ran really low wing? or could run the kerbs?

My race was ruined by the stops as always. Pitted totally correct, took on 20mins fuel and new boots, manual pit, no delays but rejoined about 30+ secs behind the guys i had been close too on track and even behind guys who had been 22 secs behind me   ???  lost interest after that, crossed the line with only 2L left in the tank. Presume you did something clever in pits like not take on new tyres? mine were shot so i had too.

congrats pody winners  :)

Great back racing GTR2 again!

Race was going fine for me in a loneny 3rd, until I pitted and had completely forgotten the refuel procedure!  Sat for ages not knowing why nothing was happening until it suddenly dawned on me.  Then I couldn't get the car started again!  Ended up coming out the pits in 10th, and had a hell of a job getting past a BMW that was miiiiles faster in a straight line :D but it was great fun.

Towards the end as I was slowly catching TT in 3rd, my G15 keyboard reset and made my framerate drop to 1 every 2-3 seconds for (thankfully) the length of the back straight (must have looked weird to someone who was very curteously letting me by, I was probably warping all over the place!), and that lost me another couple of seconds.  In the end just ran out of laps!  Great job Jon, SBG and TT for the podium :thumbup1:

Yeah was too easy, so decided to continue my own 'Race of Champions' format & picked my 3rd car for the 3rd race, this time going with the M3 8).
It'll cost me 50% off my points total, but it's not like I was in 2nd place in the championship before the race or anything ;) :o.
I decided before the previous race (Mugello) that I can't see us getting another GT2 season here, so I'd enjoy a farewell series, saying goodbye to the best GT2 has to offer, with a different car in each race & enjoy the cars & race by race experience rather than worry about my points.

Any how, the BMW is a bit lardy for this track, but gets some time back with it's raw speed (as poor Zac found out ;D, he had to work mighty hard to get his snail paced F430 past), so was not great or terrible choice here at all. :)

Anyhow, had lots of close racing tonight, with Spanner, NsFast, Zac particularly. So thanks all, for a good night & clean racing once more 8).

A nice race for me. The 1st half was trying to keep up with SBG in his Bi-T which was awesome down the straights. I surprised myself by being able to keep with his pace, then around the 25min mark I think his tyres started to go off a little and I managed to get past. It was great chasing him and our pace seemed quite matched so when I went into the pits I decided for no tyres, that gave me about a 30s lead.
After all the stops I just had to managed the gap as best I could and ended the race with about a 10s lead. I wish I'd taken new tyres now because it would've made for some great racing but I guess I should just grateful for the win 8)

MJ I ran 2-7 wing and didn't run over those nasty curbs as everytime I tried that in praccy I ended up spinning.

Nice racing guys

Great to see you back mate 8)

Yep, welcome back Zac :)

Sorry to Matt for rather forcing my way past towards the end. I was pushing like mad but no excuse really.

Went with med/hard with the aim of staying with them all race. Sadly for me, I couldn't get them working all that well and Jon passed me just before pit. Went back to soft/med and all was well for 2nd half of race, but my pit crew had done all the damage by then. Congrats to Jon, TT and all.

2/8 wing for me and tried to stay away from those kerbs as much as I could.

Much better balance between Lambo (at least in Jons hands) and BiT here. Hopefully the upcoming tracks bring the 430 into play as well  :)

Cyu Tuesday. Should be good.

 

 

Too true!  It reminded me of the times I used to race the Gillet Vertigo when everyone would blast away down the straights only for me to get held up round the twisty bits.  It was great fun though, nice to be able to battle that close and know you can trust the people you're racing with!



Cheers guys 8)

Was using 2-5 wing here in F430 and even that left me for dead by any other car on a straight. Fezza's great around the corners, though, feels like the race car should, imo. :)

I wouldn't discard GT2s yet, Legzy. GTR2's not dead and GT2 is quite popular with the crowd. Would be a shame to end all this. :)

Some interesting "tactics" . I thought you were supposed to start when the guy in front turned off his light
not when you think it's about time he should have   :o Then when you shove someone into a wall, it's customary to
wait, even if you are faster...no matter.
 
No worries SBG I wandered off track trying to give you room, you didn't force anything
Had some fun trying to keep Ade behind, and was mostly managing it, until I kept sticking a wheel over a particular
kerb, sneaked past on his splash and dash.

Results and Replay Posted

only managed about 40 mins practice for this race, so the plan was to keep it off the barriers and make up some places if anyone else had problems. unfortunately leaking washing machine+moaning GF meant i had to park it after the startline for 10 minutes before getting back on the computer to continue the rest of the race, still at least i picked up some points and got past H@L when he had problems!

ooh, i believe thats a slight dig at moi  :P  you balls'ed your start so i went around and past you! Looked like you left your limiter on too long?, as soon as you cross that s/f line your a target buddy  :)
As for shoving you in a wall late on in race, hmm.. I kept my line and you tried going round the outside into a chicaned kink! Not seen the replay but i intentionally didnt deviate as lost sight of you in my right quarter. Sorry if its what caused you to thump the wall, didnt intend any malice but i was in an uncomprising mood after losing out so badly in the pits again....but then you could have backed out  ;) Apologies anyway. :angel:

Seems i had similar wing as others, 2-6,  and i stayed well off the kerbs and no spins, but just a lack of talent then left me in the tail end of grid.  :-[

Chortle
Didn't realise that we can go as soon as we cross the line, I'll remember that next time
I dawdle a bit. No idea who was at fault for the bump, to me it seemed that you messed up
the previous corner, so it was ram or go for a pass, was a bit miffed that I then ended up
in the wall. No sweat, "racing incident"

I think your'll find you can go when the car ahead goes, not neccessarily when you cross the line.

Interesting race with people to race against which i wasnt expecting, good fun running with nsfast, Legzy etc

MJ i dont think your late stops help you at all. I started on full tanks stopped around half way, added 20L and changed tyres. But with the new tyres comes more grip. I think on my first or second timed lap after my stop i set my fastest time, meanwhile your struggling on old tyres and when you do stop you dont have too long to use the tyres.

Do you know, I did not know that. For years, I have been starting the same way as MJ. ie: you go when the person in front goes or you cross the start line, which ever happens first. But checking the rules again, Spanner is right. Apologies to anyone I might have benefitted against :-[ :angel:, though I'm puzzled why the rule is not as I thought :-\

Err, what you said!

???
So am I doing it right or wrong? :wacko:

The way I've understood the rule is you're supposed to go when the guy in front of you goes. Pole sitter switches limiter off at the start line, and everyone should just switch off in sequence so the whole grid is racing almost instantly.

Of course this never happens, instead everyone waits till the start line and by the time I get there the lead is usually halfway around the track. :P

My take is that you go when the guy in front turns off his light, simple as that.
If (like I was) the chap in front is preocupied with checking XD and dawdles
you have to wait till the plonker gets his anus in gear, however frustrating that might be
I would be happy to adopt the "whichever comes first" rule, if that was in the regs.
I don't blame MJ for being impatient, but flash your lights or shout or something  ;)
Not sure how much difference 3 secs  makes to your finishing position over an hour long race
but it's always good to be able to challenge in the 1st couple of laps, which you can't
if some people are slow to turn off the limiter.

Sorry I couldn't make this one guys....I was out all day on Sunday :(
See you for the next one!!

No way it should work like that, if you fluff your start (and a lot of us have at some point with xd, limiter button etc) then your fair game to be overtaken i would say. Its the equivalent of missing a gear, stalling or making a dodgy change-up in the real world and deserves to be punished! You cant expect the drivers behind to be punished by your own error.
I always take it as i can go as soon as the guy in front speeds off or i cross the line, whichever is sooner, otherwise your instantly a few hundred metres down the road from the cars ahead...as happened here. The biggest danger when someone doesnt release their limiter is that you can rear end them when you hit your own gas pedal!
All good fun  :)

I'm with MJ. Release limiter when the guy in front is, if you sleep on it, the guy behind overtakes. :)

Didn't it used to be as soon as the leader turns pit limiter off everyone can go?....Then it got abused by team mates of the pole man on teamspeak so was changed to when the car in front goes. To me anything after the start line is fair game though.

I always release my pit limit when I cross the start finish line, what ever happens.

Personally I agree that it "should" be when the guy in front goes OR you cross the start line
but it isn't like that in the regs, which Is what I have been following for the past few years

"•The leader shall not disengage their limiter until they cross the start line.
Each following driver should only disengage their limiter when the driver directly ahead does.
If a driver is unable to disengage their limiter, they should pull over so that the following drivers can begin the race."

I have this bizarre concept that I should play by the rules, not what I think they should be.
Lobby Dave or whoever runs the league to have them changed by all means, but gentlemen's
agreements are no use as newcomers will read the rules and assume that we are abiding
by them

Do you think that clarifies it a little better?

Sure, if the regs were changed to say that, then there could be no confusion.

With a rolling start you are supposed to have a green flag for everyone at the same time but, we cant do that so the way that we do it is the next best thing.

The reason it is 'wait for the car in front' is to avoid racing incidents at the start (possibly just like the one that started the discussion) and also if we say 'or when passed the S/F line' then the first few cars behind the leader have an advantage and the cars at the back and the car on pole have a disadvantage. Also there can some times be a little confusion as to exactly which line is the S/F line on some tracks.

That is my opinion anyway and it is the reason why I thought the rules are like they are already. :)

You misunderstand mate, we're not saying we think everyone can go as the leader crosses the line :no:
We're saying that you should be able to release your own limiter when you cross the line, even if the pilchard in front of you is still faffing about looking for their release button.
If that same pilchard hasn't found out where the start line is, that's their problem & deserve to lose the position. Should encourage people to check. 8)

I agree, Legzy. :)

This must be a first, I agree with Legzy too  :o

Well thats strange, i swear i've seen it in the rules but maybe they have been rewritten a bit around iR, about going once past the start/finish line.

I agree with how it should be, Spanner.

OK, I will use my brain before typing this time. ;D

I was thinking that the chain reaction of people letting off the limiter happens faster than it does. I was thinking of the people at the back releasing the limiter before they got to the S/F line but, that of course does not really happen. The releasing of the pit limiter pretty much always happens as cars are crossing the S/F line anyway.

With some cars not having pit limiter lights it may be better to change the rules as suggested.