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Practice 1: 19:30 BST (60 mins)
Qual 2:      20:30 BST (20 mins)
Race:        20:50 BST (40mins) - note: no warm up!

STANDING START!

Cars allowed: Any car from Formula 1 1988 For GTR2 V0.9 - Available to download from here (http://www.pilsbierbude.de/component/option,com_remository/Itemid,26/func,fileinfo/id,1261/lang,en/) or here. (http://www.simworldgt.com/?n=Formula_One_-_F1_1988&p=download_details&id=52)
Track: Brno GP 2004
Race Start Time: 14:00


Weather: DRY.

Tyre wear: normal.
Fuel consumption: normal.

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Thanks for posting this H@L  :)

The F1 1988 Mod is the GTR2 conversion of Carrera4's masterpiece from rFactor. We have permission
from the conversion team to use it here (Please read the read me file included in the mod). We
also have permission to use the "Missing Teams" mod which completes the line up from the 1988
season, although this won't be included in this particular event. If there is enough interest here,
we plan to hold further events leading towards a season.

All these cars have different physics and performance characteristics which are based on RL. They
are a lot of fun to drive and have a great feel which puts them in that easy to drive/hard to master
category, which is where the fun starts!

The idea is for each driver to choose a car according to their pace to create as even a field as
possible. We don't want a grid full of Gerhard Bergers out there, so Please do some testing to choose
an appropriate car and reserve it here. One driver per car please.



MCLAREN           Sandor (Prost)    Seniordan (Senna)

LIGIER               Blunder (Arnoux)  H@L (Johanssen)
            
MARCH               Alex vV (Gugelmin)  Legzy (Capelli)
            
FERRARI             Phspok (Berger)  Geoffers (Alboreto)

ARROWS             Truetom (Cheever)  
        
WILLIAMS           Ade (Mansell)  Lazlow (Patrese)    

LOTUS                SBG (Nakajima)  Navin (Piquet)

BENETTON          goldtop (Nannini)  SRW (Boutsen)

COLONI      

MINARDI    

ZAKSPEED  

Sweet ;D off to give it a go.

Sounds great & downloading now 8)

Wow, what a surprise! I see we welcome back tuesdays as well!

Colini? Never heard of them.

Count me in. Times to beat please :)

I'd guess anywhere between 1:30 and 1:45 depending if you're in a Ferrari or a Zakspeed and how much practice you're able to put in. ATM I think we should be aiming for approx 1:35 as our target time with race fuel.

I'd grab one of the middle cars to get an idea and post up times.

Don't forget to change wheels visible in cockpit in you plr file graphics options to 1.

Some more tips...

I would recommend using the auto clutch setting if you don't already. If you stall these cars after a spin etc, as in RL, there is no way to restart the engine.

I usually use virtual mirror, but in these cars the real mirrors are possibly a better option along with a button mapped for rear viewing.

With some of the cars the in garage fuel estimates are way out. XD is what you need.

The default wing settings are way too high....try them at around 20 F and R.

The default rear tyre pressures need increasing.

The rest is really down to personal taste/normal setup procedures.

Enjoyed myself very much just spending the last hour getting to grips with this.
did a 1:39 in the Lotus (my team skin ;D), but probably more to come.

Tis good for me :) I can still "feel" whats gonna happen even at these insane speeds which surprised me. Sounds are very good in the Williams at least.

35/36's in the Williams. Will do more pracci, very addictive.

My times from Brno have thrown up a few surprises. I originally tested these cars at Silverstone88 and Spa88 which is where my original guidelines were from (see post #2).

As you can see below, the nice handling Ligier has benefitted, while the fast but awkward Arrows has suffered. There does seem to be a good choice within a couple of seconds of each other though.

MCLAREN        95.080

LIGIER            96.505
MARCH            96.646
FERRARI         96.675

ARROWS        96.928
WILLIAMS      97.006

LOTUS           97.995

BENETTON     98.812

COLONI       100.672

MINARDI     101.259

ZAKSPEED  104.221

Keep those times coming  :)

Would be interested to hear from people running a G27 to know how they have the ffb set for these cars.

I run my G27 with very low ffb for these.....32% strength but I do have a heavily edited plr file. I can post it up or email it if you want to try it.

I do - maybe I'll get the feeling for these though I doubt it. :(

sounds like it should be a fun race, i will download the files at the weekend and start practicing, i havent done any regular laps in a  F1 car since before GTR1 came out(used to play the crammond GP games)

Oops, sorry, yes please GT. I tried running it on tuesday but couldnt get it feeling right. I normally run around 80% in windows and about 90% in game on low but if i tried going around the corners above 50mph i'd get  knocking from the wheel as though it was limiting the FFB or it was too strong. Tried lowering it but then its like running without FFB which doesnt feel right to me. Err nevermind about a car setup!

So what made you want to run this mod GT? Bit different to what we normally do here.

As you say mate, something a bit different.

The mod has a lot of depth to it imo and I find it just gets better the more I drive it. As I said before, the fact that these cars have so much variation in their performance and drivability should make for some great racing if we each take the right car....and that's where the challenge lies.

Oh and don't forget the history.......

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8654608.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8161298.stm

Lol well a less bumpy track would have ideal! There was me thinking we had a 'historic' version of the track with the title saying Brno 1987.

Hello,

Just strolled by from the historic section and found - by sheer change - this be-au-ti-ful mod from times F1 cars did not look like computer systems.

Now I am not the quickest in the 60-ies era cars so I definitely not the quickest in F1 cars.
Is this race for the 'more experienced in car handling' or do you also like the Giovanni Lavaggi's of this world to compete?

(of course I will praccy and run the virtual mirror, but on some parts of the circuit the fillings rattle out of my teeth... )

Nice of you to drop by Alex  :thumbup1:

I'm sure that you'll be able to find a car that you can enjoy and have some good racing with. As for those rattling teeth, the cars can indeed get bumpy at the front. Softening the springs all round will help, as will braking earlier and lighter to carry more speed into the corners....just trust that downforce  :)

Thanks GT.
Looking now for a steady car to keep it on the tarmac. I've seen the Ligier is good, any other ones?
Are you guys still aiming for a field with as much different cars as possible?
If so, I'm willing to take any other car.. (well almost any car..)

ps. If you want to attract more drivers you could consider putting something like 'F1 MOD 88' in the header. I almost missed this one.

Feel free to choose a car you're comfortable in Alex. The Ligier is very nice here as is the Ferrari or the March. The McLaren is very quick but slightly more demanding to drive imo. The only car in the top 8 that I found more difficult than others was the Arrows, but it too can be very quick with practice.

I reckon if we all aim for a car that will give us laptimes of around 1:37 (+or- 1 sec) we'll have some good racing, so whether that's a McLaren or a Zakspeed will depend on the driver and how much practice they are able to put in.

I am running a dedicated server for this evening a possibly a couple of other evenings this week with the F188 mod installed. 7.30 tonight.

Feel free to join, the server will be called 'H@LTest'.

Made some laps in the Fezza. Fiddling with setup got me to 1:36:4xx. Here's my setup if anyone wants to try it and improve it. :)

F1 Fezza quali (http://www.humyo.com/DzKHPZb/F1%20Fezza%20-%20q.svm?a=a9XMp3ZouzY)

Had a few laps with H@L on the pracci server which he very kindly set up for us this evening.

H@L reported that there were no conflicts between mods on his server. We held short pracci, quali and race sessions which all went without any troubles. We both pitted taking fuel and tyres, again with no dramas and all sessions finished/progressed as they should.

One of the things which concerned me about this mod was the damage levels. While racing offline with the AI the front and rear wings seemed to pop off a little too easily. We tested these damage levels with some gentle contact and concluded that they were indeed a little too sensitive. I therefore plan to decrease the damage level slightly for this test race and would welcome any feedback.

I also noted that I was unable to produce the laptimes online that I'd been able to do offline (even in quali). I'm not sure why this is, but perhaps we ought to raise our target time to around 1:39???

We need to start posting up times so that we can all narrow down and decide our car choices. I don't want any duplication of drivers (obviously there are 2 cars available for each team), so get those cars reserved asap. I'll update post #2 as we go.

Are the cars that different? ???
Took Ferrari 'cause it's been my team all the years. It's a psychological thing, I know, but driving March or Arrows or other cars to get slower laptimes seems unappealing to me. :-X

Do we plan on doing some fun races to balance the cars or what? 

P.S.
Driving Ferrari is fun. ;) Have to try other cars, really. :)

The cars are very different. Ferrari is all round probably the second best car on the grid behind the McLaren. The March is quite a similar feeling car, but lacks the outright grunt of the turbo'd fezza. My main concern is that we end up with a grid full of Ferraris or McLarens because it won't do the mod justice. It's a bit like just having the Gulf GT40s in PnG. We all need to find our level and that depends on who turns up for these races. The fun races will enable us to find out where we all are and make the series (if there is one) much more fun.

I'll put you down as a Ferrari and post your time next to it. Are you Gerhard or Michele?  :)

What nights will you be doing your server H@l? might try and join you.

Nah, let's see the laptimes in other cars with other drivers and then decide. :)

Just downloading the mod now....I'll be on later for some retro F1 action!!

I will leave it running tonight 7 - 11, I may not be on line my self this evening (not totally sure yet) but, I will leave the server going anyway.

I plan to have the server running tomorrow (Wednesday) and Friday. Thursday is the only day that I will not be able to leave it running.

Post #2 now edited ready for our reserved car/driver entries.

Please post your choice together with an indication of your race pace laptime and I'll update as necessary.






.....should be on H@L's server a bit later  :)

I have put my server up now 'H@Ltest'.

The mod may not be on the main SROuk server until Sunday night after the Brands race.

I have put the damage down to 90%. When me and GT did the damage test last night it was at 100%. I found that we had a few small bumps at low speeds and I had no damage at all, then we had a slightly bigger bump at high speed and i got 40 seconds aero and 90 seconds suspention. In a GT1/2 car that would have been 5 or 6 seconds aero and that's all.

I think we should use a setting that will not cause race ending damage from small bumps only, so I think 80 or maybe 70% should be fine. Lets just see how it is on 90% first. :)

Should be on from 9pm I hope

I should be on at 9ish also. :)

With 60L & Hard tyres:

1:38.1 in Lotus
1:37.2 in March

Trying out more cars only led to confusion and within it one certain fact: whichever car I take I'm gonna spin in the first two laps. :D

The mod is on the SROuk server and I will leave it running the F1 88 cars for tonight.

Report any issues such as CTDs etc., please.

I have put the server back on GT2s at Brands in preparation for Sundays race. F1 88 will be back on line Sunday night after the Brands race.

just had my first go on the 88 f1 mod, i tried the benetton ford as i was a big fan of this car at the time (3rd year at upper school i think!), probably end up at the rear of the field as i dont think i will be able to manage more than a couple of hours practice, any one got any setup tips?

I'll probably take a Benetton too so we can be teamies  :)  I'm managing around 1:36/1:37 but I've put in loads of practise. Here's my WIP setup if you'd like to try it. Use the downforce to carry as much speed as you dare into those long corners and gather it up as you begin to slide on the apex. Very rewarding when you get it right, pretty spectacular when it goes wrong  :laugh:

Server should be back up after tonight's GT2 race.

You wanna be Boutsen or Nannini?

http://www.humyo.com/FHWPvLQ/tudor%20Benetton%20Brno.svm?a=mT776K7sXB4

Edit: Feel free to try something a bit quicker if you don't have too much pracci time though SRW, the hope is that we have a very balanced grid.

Thanks. I will sign up for the Gugelmin March if that is ok.
Struggling to get within 110% (glad we don't have the 107% rule in effect here). Biggest issue is still the uncontrollable bumping in corners, especially T2 (fast corner after second straight) and the slow bit. Have lowered the values for the shocks but to no avail.
Should I also loosen the fast bump and/or roll bar?
Any help is appreciated.

ps. Those Zakspeeds are really slow on the straights!

Cheers Alex. I've updated post #2 and put myself down in Nannini's Benetton while I was at it.

As for those bumps, try softening the spring front and rear. I also find that braking earlier and lighter to get the car settled before turning in helps a lot. I think the bumping is caused by the front wheels rapidly losing/gaining grip instead of running through the approach to corners.

The standard tracks are worse for bumps than those I have in mind for a season, if we get that far. I only chose Brno for the purposes of testing the mod. If you have the time, try one of the dedicated 88 season tracks like Spa88 or Jerez88 as they don't suffer from this problem.

Thanks again. Will softer springs further. Early braking is second nature for me so no problem there.
Could the soft slicks cause any issues?

Haven't really used them much. The hard slicks seem easier and more consistent for me.

Hey fellas, Just had time to do a quick run in the Lotus with just a little tweaking. Best was a 1:39.3 with 12 laps of fuel on board. Cars are sure tricky. Going to be hard to be consistent.. Get some dreaded bouncy bouncy mid corner and you've lost 1-2 seconds just like that. Still, I like the idea of something different. And fast!!! ;D

Good to see you Navin  :thumbup1:

The practice server is up and I hope to be on there after 9pm if anyone wants to keep me company.

C'mon chaps, let's get this grid filled up with some names and car choices so we all know what we're driving (see post#2).

Sadly no time to download or practice this mod means I will not be racing tomorrow night with you guys. Change is not always for the best ;)

Arrows for me, please. Whichever. ::)

Ill have Nigel (Tom Tuckers nicked my mustache) Mansells Williams please..

                                                           Thank you

Post #2 updated with driver choices.

Good turn out again tonight for pracci and a great mix of cars. I think I'd be watching tomorrow's race on the telly if I wasn't in it :)

Goldtop: thanks for the setup, i tried it tonight and am now just 100ths of a second away from breaking into the 139's

TT: thanks for your setup, i will try that out tomorow before the race

now that i have a few laps under my belt in these 88 f1's i am starting to get a bit of confidence with trail braking and being a bit more early on the power out of corners

Can I have the last Williams spot, thanks

Of course Ricardo  :)

post #2 updated

tried a few cars, friendliest for me is the Ferrari, March seems nice, struggled with minardi and williams
Please can i have a ferri? either is fine. so far best lap with default setup is 39s in March, Ferri is similar

Poat#2 updated with Mr. Berger.

Just downloaded this & given it a go. Tricky but fun.

Haven't quite broken 1.40 yet in the Ferrari (1.40.2) on hard tyres. So can I take the other Ferrari spot for tomorrow please?  ;D

post#2 updated...Michele Alboreto

GT, stick me in either of these, depending on what laptime we're aiming at?
Cheers

Tried to do some timing yesterday but it is hard to learn and only managed 1 timed lap.
Wanted to do a few laps more but my  GTR2 crashed  >:(


GT,
Don't know if you expect a full grid , otherwise I would like to choose the Prost McLaren .
If you think there are plenty volunteers for the race I will skip and let someone else have fun.

cheers,
Sandor

I'll take the second Lotus please ;D

Cheers chaps. Post #2 updated. @ Navin, both myself and SBG had problems joining in the Piquet Lotus with the usual GTR2 "booted as cheat" bug. I got in on 2nd attempt, but if you have trouble, go for the other Lotus.

There are still a couple of the sweeeeeeet driving Ligiers left, as well as the brutally quick but awkward Arrows. Any malingering aliens might want to pop into a Zakspeed or a Minardi, while if you've still not had a chance to practise, there is still a vacancy at McLaren  :o

Please reserve them here though please because I don't want any duplication of cars.

Also (and I know I really don't have to say this), please take it extra easy for at least the first lap tonight. It's so easy to find yourself into the back of someone in these cars and although I'll be lowering the damage settings, any rear ending is still likely to cause you to lose your front wing. Oh and check those fuel levels as they are a bit squiffy on some cars.

Enjoy the race!

Hey guys!

Legzy has dragged me along to this... :)

hated it to start with but am now lovin it! :)

Have managed a 1.37 on race fuel now in the Ferrari so pls pick me a car!?

Is that now a Ligier? or will I be then too quick? or whatever you have left!??

Pls just let me know and I can get a little practice in before the race!

Thanks!

Looks like there is an Arrows left too.... pls pick one for me???

Not tried any of the others?  ;)

No-one for the Ligier yet, so I've put you in Rene Arnoux's car if that's ok.

Hold up, I picked the Lotus first ;) I'll be happy with any of the others, bar the impossibly fast and nuts arrows, if that's whats needed.

Welcome back Blunder :)

Fine by me! :)

Thanks buddy! good to be back!  ;)

Didnt realise you only wanted single cars for a real grid. I might have been better to highlight this early on.

Think i'll give it a miss anyway, only felt competitive in the ferrari, these just do it for me sorry, they feel far too fragile for racing with as well and just last night practising felt like there was too much variation in speed between people.

You're in Nakajima's Lotus matey.....check post #2 ;)

Grumpy Old Man!...  :lol:

Lol, see below from GT's post 2, explaining the idea of the event:

That & the other numerous references to everyone aiming at a certain time & having to request their cars! It just wasn't clear enough :lol:

In fairness, I did add the one driver, one car bit on the end last night  :angel: But yes, I hoped I'd made it clear from the start.

OH. :-[ :D

Well I read it as being a handicapped event, just like we did png for a while :)

Could I have the 2nd LIGIER then please or the MCLAREN if not (surprised no one has taken it yet).

Nooooooooo!!!


Kids are kicking off, Mrs is calling for reinforcements!!!

I'll be gutted if I miss this >:( 9 I re-arranged a day off work so I could be here :'()

You're in the Ligier.....Mr. Johanssen :)

Sorry about keeping you all waiting at the start. Never done a GTR2 start before, how do you get on the grid? I was sat in the car in the garage & couldn't figure out what to do to join the grid.  I presumed it would be like P&G & GTL where you click the start button to join the grid. But no start button! Is this correct?  ???

1.37's in the Ferrari yesterday.

Jumped in The Ligier....no idea 1.45 at best... quit in disgust! :(

I think I hit the organizer's Benetton at the start :-[

As a punishment I had to go change my nosecone and joined 1 lap down.

Was soon overtaken by rest of field but sheer speed of these cars kept me busy.

Nice race and apologies to SeniorDan for communication error. Thought I left you enough room to lap.

That was very enjoyable. Decided to stay out and see if the tyres would hold out, they did, though I was 2 secs a lap off
my earlier pace. Race ended on laps not time, so TT and maybe Laz were thwarted of catching and passing after their
stops. Superb demo of the difference between high and low wing setups, HAL caught me after an off, caught very fast
down the straight and got up the inside into T1, only for me to zoom round the outside and them him have to lift
ALso did a pass round the outside at the top of the hill after the start, as it seemed bunched up, so I drove round the
outside.  ;D
Tyres were completetly gone to nothing in XD. Great mod this, well worth the joining fee.
Oh yes. was loving the view, the grid looked like my Scalextric F1 collection of Benneton, Ferri Williams et al  :)

that was an exciting race, was very hard to keep concentrating in the second half of the race!

i messed up the start (thinking it was a usual parade lap in single file)(sorry to whoever was behind me and crashed in to me)

Thanks to goldtop for his setup, i didnt have much time to practice or work ona setup so i just used his setup and spent my track time just getting in as many laps as pos to familiarise myself with the car

It is and something was up there. Bugger :'(

I guess the Ligier is way off the pace Blunder. The Ferrari would have been better for you and I'm sure Tudor can tweak drivers/drives accordingly after tonight. The same goes for Spanner who was in, for me, the wild Arrows. The others are much more consistent and easier drives (respect to TT for making it work).

Grip appeared very low in quali but delighted I nabbed pole. Got completely gazumped for first few laps as I struggled to adjust to racing at that pace. Was way off the pace of Lazlow and TT and just dreaded the moment Ade caught me. It was clear the Lotus had the grunt so I just parked it in the corners and hoped for the best. Think Ade was just about to figure out a place to pass when my slowness caught him out. Congrats to him, TT and Lazlow (Legzy, surely not ??? ) for the race pace.

No sure if it was the hard/hard or 32/28 wing choice, that made me slow in race?

Really like the mod but gotta say its very hard to race these. Firstly they have no brake lights :) Secondly, I didn't have much spare capacity beyond keeping these cars on the road to formulate a passing strategy or anything else at the start of that race. Did manage to defend well towards the end so I'm guessing I was adjusting. Should be more comfortable after a few races.

Thanks to Tudor for trying that out and thx for turning up. I want some more :)  

Very very much enjoyed that :sweatdrop:

Started about 11th on grid & somewhat got caught out by the lights when Geoffers didn't join (just click the start button mate, bottom right corner, but not if you're on setups screen). Had some really good interesting exchanges as I made my way through the field. I think this F1'88 is slightly more about the intense driving experience & unimaginable pressure of driving close to others :o ;D. I had particularly good extended periods of this tonight with H@L & Goldtop, great driving both chaps 8).

Shame Matt's car had past its best by the time I caught him, missed out on a scrap there & was able to just sail past when he went wide before the fight got started.

Obviously tonight's race finished about 7mins early (luckily for SBG :-*), but even if we'd done the full 40mins, pitting was not the best option tonight. I wonder if a slight tweak of the race length would be an idea for a series. Either to a shorter distance where nobody needs to pit (about 30mins :-\) or a bit longer so everyone would need to pit (about 45-50mins :-\)?

Either way, for me, the format of tonight's race is a winner in my eyes. You could also see on the grid, who had put in practise, they were all within 1-2secs... just as it should be :euro:

Hopefully the guys who only dipped their toe in this, will see enough potential to give it a proper go for the next one (in your own time Tudor... ;))

OK, that's what I thought. I think I must have pressed the start button, I don't actually remember, but I got put into the car in the pit garage. I guess something went wrong. Oh well, maybe another time.

Are these races always going to be on a Tuesday? If so it sometimes clashes with the GTL F1Venue series I'm doing with Wiltshire Tony.

Results and replays in the usual places

They'll be tweaked eventually, but for now if you would like to see who was in which car, refer to post #2

Nice event, nice cars. 8)

Looking forward to more.

My hard tyres were on 22-24 wear after 20mins and I could feel the grip going. I decided to pit and I was much faster on fresh rubber, not sure how much but, at least 1 second I think. That was combined with a lower fuel level of course.

Some people seemed to be able to make the tyres last longer so I am not sure what would be a suitable race length. Shorter rather than longer as the cars require a lot of energy use from the drivers. ;D

1. Whoever set this server tonight owes me a photo finish. :no: Was catching Matt and Lazlow was catching me and then the race ended, what, 10 min early? :(
2. Tyres: I was losing 3 sec / lap after 20 min as I had 35 worn FL. So I pitted, go figure. I propose a race of 60 min for the next race. Why? The car(s) are terrible to drive after 10 min and then it gets harder. You drag your arse into pit after 20 min, tyres are (should be) on the limit of bursting. If the tyres will allow racing --nonononono, wrong word-- for 40 min then I'm not if I want to be a part this Championship. I have no intention to repeat the Race events of 10 min good racing, then just struggling with the tyres for the next 30 min. No way, sorry. :(
If the purpose of the first few races are testing, then lets change parameters, not repeat them (Suzuka announcement seems the same as for Brno).

3. We might get into lap format to decide the race lenght - it's F1 form after all. This way there's no confusion of early ending. :)

4. Standing start's great. :D

 

Good to see such positive feedback here so far.

Not sure why the race ended a little early on a standard track, but we can always do lap counted races in future.

Obviously we need to fine tune these races if we are going to run a series, which is what these test races are for. Personally I'd love to do full length repli races, but as I said to H@L recently, I'd then have to take Wednesdays off work to recover  :o

Joking aside, I do think slightly longer races would make things less frantic as these sprints are just soooooo intense. Maybe half RL distance with 1x tyres which would equate to approx 50 mins total and entice us into looking after our tyres for a one stop strategy? or 2x tyres for a 2 or 3 stopper? I'd like to not do refuelling as this wasn't part of the formula back in the day....nice to keep it a bit real.

As far as car choice. I think that with a couple of exceptions it worked pretty well tonight.....at this track. I think the aim of keeping our times as even as possible is a sound one. A kind of self handicapping....after all there's no fun in racing away 30 secs from the rest of the field, but then it's even less fun to be 30 secs off the back. So maybe a bit of car/driver tweaking would is worth considering?

There is another half of this mod which is referred to as the "Missing Teams" (which completes the full grid from the '88 season). The quality is at least as good as these cars and it would give us a greater choice towards the lower end of the performance spread. Maybe this is something to consider for a future trial?

As for the race, good fun although I managed to work my way backwards for most of it. I was busy watching Geoffers in pit hoping he'd join and missed the start, so sorry for anyone who got slowed up in that. Had a nice little scrap with Legzy, his turbo V6 pulling away on the straights, but the better handling Benetton making time back in the corners. I slipped past when he made a mistake but then backed it into the armco trying to pull a gap. Lost my rear wing and then spun off at the next turn into the armco losing my front wing and damaging suspension ::) Pitted for repairs which took an age and then had a stop go for speeding. Car was not too bad after repairs but I got caught out a couple of times trying to push back. Tyre wear for me wasn't too bad.....20/20 even with all those spins, but then I'm usually good with tyres. :angel:

Thanks to all who gave this a go and hope to see you back for more next week.

Didn't have much luck. Lost both wings in lap one. Was attempting to pit and got CTD before entering pitlane. Still, it was fun in practice and I look forward to more races with these :)

Had great fun for how long it lasted. 
Stayed out of trouble in the first lap and climbed a few positions.
But as usual I made a few mistakes what costed me a frontwing and a suspension.
Made it back to the pit and got all fixed in 2 minutes time .

Already 1 lap down and screwed up again and lost my wing again.
I was getting a bit frustrated and entered the pit too fast causing a stop-and-go .

Decided to quit and practice a bit more offline  :angel:

During practice and qualifing I was using the cars wing and fuel levels to try and get a lap time that was as close to SBG's as possible. So when the race started I was very surprised to see me and TT pull way from the rest of the grid ??? Looking back at it now though at least TT had some company in the race ;D

The Williams has great downforce which meant that I was quick through the corners, but down the straights TT just kept pulling away.

Eventually as TT's tyres started to go off I managed to get into positions where I was able to make some moves to overtake. Then just when I had a chance of getting a better run out of one of the corners I missed judged the exit and span the car on the grass slightly damaging my front wing (which thankfully didn't effect the handling at all) and losing 2 places in the process.

After that I put my foot down and caught the SBG & Ade battle which was shapping up nicely, as all three of us were catching TT at the front.
I decided to bail out of the battle on the track, because I could see that it could of become quite messy and switched my tatics to changing my tyres, which were at 20 wear anyway.

Shame about the early finish, would of been interesting to see where everyone would of finished.

I see Suzuka's next....the Williams will fun around there!!....please can I carry on driving it Mr GT, I promise to be slower next time ;D

I had not had much time to investigate the differences in the cars, which seem greater than I had thought
I look in the dealer view, and it says nothing. where do you see the info GT?

I think TT's experience is tainted by driving the "masochist's choice" I tried Ferri, Arrows,Williams, March
and Minardi. Ferri and March felt quite similar in my 2 or 3 laps in each testing, yet I "think" Ferrari at
that time were still plugging away with an outdated longgg V12? whereas the March was a V6 Turbo?
You would think the Ferri would be very tail heavy, but it isn't. I decided to see what SBG meant about
the Arrows being nuts, so tried lots of rear wing/less front wing/hard front and still the thing drives
like a 911 with extra concrete and lead weights hanging off the rear bumper, damm thing wants to swap
ends into every corner. I believe (rightly or wrongly) that if you'd have driven a Ferri or March you would have
had less trouble with worn tyres. My ferri was not particularly more difficult to drive at the end, just was
a lot slower. Maybe my "kind" setup helped dunno, but I had more trouble not spinning with heavy fuel for
the first few laps (witness Laz heroically not ramming me up the chuff while I was being super cautious early on)
than with worn tyres. My wings were quite high, I think I ended up with 37/39 and quite hard front
FOr me the Williams was tail heavy, the Arrows even more, the March and Ferri were less so.
I need to try all the cars to figure what the relative attributes are.
I think with the relatively high tyre wear even with hards, this is one series that would suit stops
though I don't really enjoy them, I think it would make the racing more varied.
Oh, where do you get these tyre wear numbers from? all I see is a bar which is green at the top
and graduates down through mucky brown to red as the tyre wears, untill there is nothing left of the bar.

Here you go...very handy tool http://www.simracingworld.com/files/download/1544-gtr-2-pd-car-monitor-tool/ (http://www.simracingworld.com/files/download/1544-gtr-2-pd-car-monitor-tool/)

The only info I have really is what I've gathered myself from lots of testing with these cars mainly at Silverstone88, Spa88 and of course Brno. There is also some lap data at Pilsbierbude under "Best Laps", but this is less useful because of the variation in drivers and the fact that most choose the faster cars like the McLaren or the fezza.

Regards the Arrows, it was always going to be the nutter's choice but I hadn't realised tyre wear would be that much of an issue with it.....but isn't that why we have test races anyway? I've just had a few laps and the wear on the left front does look severe, but there again it was popping in some very quick times...1:35.776  with TT at the wheel:o I reckon the right race length could bring the tyre/performance balance back to make the Arrows much more useful.


You were seriously quick at Brno Jim.....check out that fastest laptime  :o I doubt that you'll be getting any slower with more practise so I'd be getting my agent to start talking with other teams if I were you  ;)

As for the rest of us. If we look at the laptimes, 7 of the field were lapping within a second of each other and had all put in a lot of practise to achieve this. I think it's fair to say that those who were below those times were there because of a lack of time to practise for this.

We maybe still need to do some tweaking though which hopefully the test races will allow us to do.

Am I on the right track with this chaps? I just want to make it as enjoyable and challenging as possible for everyone.

Good turnout chaps. Hope it keeps going for you :)

That lap time was with new rubber and 40 ltrs of fuel though :angel:

TBH before Sunday I was lapping in the mid 1:37's, but when Ade suggested to try the car with a higher wing setup I couldn't believe the improvement in stability and speed I had going through the corners.
What I'm trying to say is, it's all Ade's fault :D

For the next race I'll make sure I take a slower car...only slightly slower mind ;)

Unofficial LapChart (http://www.justanotherpage.nl/Srou/GTR2/BrnoApr11/)


No, mate. I am just that slow. My only excuses is that I drove around with 160 liters after my pitstop.

Had severe bumping problems during praccy. In the end lowered the Real World Movement, G-Force effect and FF strength to 50%.

Congrats SBG with the win. Amazing to see the fast cars zoom past. It's not easy to anticipate faster cars with this speed!

Thanks GT for organizing. If I could commit to the series, I wouldn't mind driving a slower car.

Great preparation for the Senna2010 Movie btw.